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alamo5000
21 December 2017, 19:56
I randomly heard online about after market Sig triggers that are supposed to be really cool and a lot better.

I saw it, watched a few Youtube videos on it and decided to give it a go.

https://www.armorycraft.com/product-page/p220-p226-p227-p229-slightly-curved-adjustable-trigger

I got the slightly curved Armory Craft trigger for my Sig P226. I was debating between the flat and the curved but in the end I decided to go with the curved. For some reason on my AR's I like the flat CMC but I have never really shot a flat trigger on a pistol.

I already bought the new trigger but I am wondering if anyone has any insight into the different trigger types in regards to pistols (curved vs flat).

If you have any experience with the Armory Craft triggers please post up. Apparently a few companies are now making after market triggers but I decided to go with that one.

Once I get back home (probably in a few weeks) I will do a write up on my findings after I get the thing installed.

alamo5000
21 December 2017, 20:05
Here is the trigger that I got. I got the curved one because that's what all my other pistols have on them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xo7BxulGmE

alamo5000
21 December 2017, 20:13
Here is a video review of the triggers. This guy likes the slightly curved one. He compares several brands.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5MUtnwpEbI

Aragorn
21 December 2017, 20:21
I really, really like the flat faced trigger on my Legion. I also found, kinda to my surprise, that I also prefer flat faced triggers on 1911's. Maybe that shouldn't have come as a surprise though, as I also prefer flat faced triggers on AR's. I've seen lots of theories as to why flat is better for such and such reasons, and just as many theories as to why curved is better.... but I mean, this is the Internet. Theories abound about everything. I can't validate any reason why I prefer flat faced triggers other than... I just do. REALLY I think it's just user preference. I'm not going to go run a course, then do it again EXACTLY the same and suddenly have a measurable difference in speed or accuracy just because my trigger was a different shape on the second go.

The only curved triggers I have anymore are my LaRue MBT's, which I also love. Though it's worth mentioning that while the bow is curved, the actual face is flat. If they made an actual flat trigger, man I'd be all over that.

alamo5000
21 December 2017, 20:41
I really, really like the flat faced trigger on my Legion. I also found, kinda to my surprise, that I also prefer flat faced triggers on 1911's. Maybe that shouldn't have come as a surprise though, as I also prefer flat faced triggers on AR's. I've seen lots of theories as to why flat is better for such and such reasons, and just as many theories as to why curved is better.... but I mean, this is the Internet. Theories abound about everything. I can't validate any reason why I prefer flat faced triggers other than... I just do. REALLY I think it's just user preference. I'm not going to go run a course, then do it again EXACTLY the same and suddenly have a measurable difference in speed or accuracy just because my trigger was a different shape on the second go.

The only curved triggers I have anymore are my LaRue MBT's, which I also love. Though it's worth mentioning that while the bow is curved, the actual face is flat. If they made an actual flat trigger, man I'd be all over that.

I know that once I tried a flat trigger in my AR's I don't know if I could do anything else LOL! (I exaggerate of course).

I have never tried a flat trigger in a pistol though. Maybe I shouldn't try a flat one because if I like it I will have all kinds of crap I will have to do.

For me, the factory Sig trigger has a lot of slack to it. Even though I have SRT from the factory it's still way too mushy for me. While it's better than some others it's still not up to snuff for my tastes. Just like these in that second video-- no slack--no over travel-- I love it! When the slop goes the way of the do-do bird the better for me. I don't really think the shape of the trigger matters as much as the action of it does. At least for me.

My 1911 has an adjustable trigger on it and that thing is fantastic. That's so far my gold standard among my collection. If I can get that same kind of no slack and short reset in my 226 I will be very happy.

Normally I tend to do a lot of research on stuff before just throwing money at things, but in this case I didn't wait. While I love my Sigs I have been wondering about that damn trigger for a really long time. If this thing works as advertised I will be stoked.

Uffdaphil
21 December 2017, 20:54
I too like the flat (SD-C) triggers on my ARs, but for some reason feel the SSA-E curved is better for longer range precision. It's like I have a little more control with more finger area in contact on a slow 2 stage pull. Totally subjective and not a big deal. Contour is way down the priority list from take up, break and reset.

voodoo_man
21 December 2017, 21:41
Flat.

At least for me. I shoot my overwatch flat triggers really well. And I've got an elf flat trigger on an AR and it's perfect.

I'd love to see a gen6 Glock with an oem flat trigger.

alamo5000
21 December 2017, 21:58
Flat.

At least for me. I shoot my overwatch flat triggers really well. And I've got an elf flat trigger on an AR and it's perfect.

I'd love to see a gen6 Glock with an oem flat trigger.

What would you say is the top 2 or 3 things for you in regards to flat trigger pulls? I am kind of prodding more as to the 'whys' and you're the perfect person that can give succinct answers.

Could be a good blog topic btw.

My first and really only real experience with flat triggers is when I built my first AR. I used a CMC flat trigger. I bought that based off of recommendations here on WEVO and have been hooked ever since.

I found with that CMC flat trigger I can get repeatable finger placement and good repeatable traction almost every time. With them I think that little hook at the bottom helps a ton. I also like the idea of little to no sloppy over travel. If I switched out and got some fancy nice two stage trigger with a clean break I would probably love that too. It all has it's place. As long as there is a good crisp break that is in the same spot (and no spongy feel around that spot) as well as a good reset I would probably be a fan. I have a lot more experience with rifle triggers than pistols by far.

On a pistol though I have absolutely zero flat trigger time. I don't know if just a flat trigger alone would help improve my pistol marksmanship or not. I'm not the best pistol shooter out there let's just say that but I do feel pretty strongly that a good consistent trigger doesn't hurt at all.

tact
22 December 2017, 04:24
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alamo5000
22 December 2017, 09:19
If a flat trigger will help me maintain better trigger control I will give it a go. For the trigger I got it's only $80 bucks so I guess that could be a cheap starting point to try it out even if I wind up getting two of them, or decide to swap it again later.

What I am most excited about with this trigger is that it seems to take up all the slack and smooshy feel in the trigger. That by itself could be a massively big deal for me.

voodoo_man
22 December 2017, 10:26
What would you say is the top 2 or 3 things for you in regards to flat trigger pulls? I am kind of prodding more as to the 'whys' and you're the perfect person that can give succinct answers.

Could be a good blog topic btw.

My first and really only real experience with flat triggers is when I built my first AR. I used a CMC flat trigger. I bought that based off of recommendations here on WEVO and have been hooked ever since.

I found with that CMC flat trigger I can get repeatable finger placement and good repeatable traction almost every time. With them I think that little hook at the bottom helps a ton. I also like the idea of little to no sloppy over travel. If I switched out and got some fancy nice two stage trigger with a clean break I would probably love that too. It all has it's place. As long as there is a good crisp break that is in the same spot (and no spongy feel around that spot) as well as a good reset I would probably be a fan. I have a lot more experience with rifle triggers than pistols by far.

On a pistol though I have absolutely zero flat trigger time. I don't know if just a flat trigger alone would help improve my pistol marksmanship or not. I'm not the best pistol shooter out there let's just say that but I do feel pretty strongly that a good consistent trigger doesn't hurt at all.

The fact that the depression of the trigger is consistent through the entire trigger press/squeeze. On a curved trigger or rounded trigger you may end up pushing on a weird angle of the trigger and not on the apex for a consistent straight back shot. This is one of the issues which people have when shooting Glocks, low and left, because they are contacting the trigger on an angle and pushing it down and left while they break the shot. With a flat trigger this is greatly reduced unless you literally put your finger on the side of the trigger.

With AR's I find a flat trigger to be better at everything from precision to speed shooting.

UWone77
23 December 2017, 10:16
Flat triggers for me. I get a more consistent pull. If I had the inclination and if it was practical, I'd also swap out all of my AR triggers to SD-C/E's and even some CMC's.

Someone needs to come up with a milspec, QMS/ACT type trigger with a flat shoe.

alamo5000
23 December 2017, 12:15
Flat triggers for me. I get a more consistent pull. If I had the inclination and if it was practical, I'd also swap out all of my AR triggers to SD-C/E's and even some CMC's.

Someone needs to come up with a milspec, QMS/ACT type trigger with a flat shoe.

After I try out the action with the curved one that I have coming I might purchase a flat one for an experiment. I guess it couldn't hurt anything. I might learn something out of that deal. I am anxious to see how this trigger design changes and helps improve the pull on my 226 which is my go to suppressor gun. If I like the action better it would be a pretty cheap way to try out a different contour.

They also make a flat adjustable trigger for my 938 which is my main 'get off me' carry gun. That could be worth a try too.

voodoo_man
23 December 2017, 14:47
Flat triggers for me. I get a more consistent pull. If I had the inclination and if it was practical, I'd also swap out all of my AR triggers to SD-C/E's and even some CMC's.

Someone needs to come up with a milspec, QMS/ACT type trigger with a flat shoe.

That's a good idea...

gatordev
23 December 2017, 15:04
Flat triggers for me. I get a more consistent pull. If I had the inclination and if it was practical, I'd also swap out all of my AR triggers to SD-C/E's and even some CMC's.

Someone needs to come up with a milspec, QMS/ACT type trigger with a flat shoe.

I know it's 2-stage and not 1-stage, but the Larue trigger does a nice job getting at what you're talking about. And for $99 (when on sale), it beats the G-trigger pricing. The fatter bow really seems to make a difference. I was skeptical at first, but I've really enjoyed the MBT I put in my competition carbine and grabbed another one to put in my Mini-Recce (install will occur over the Xmas holiday...I hope).

The flat trigger, and the science behind it, is an interesting idea to pursue for the handgun, especially as a Glock shooter.

Joelski
23 December 2017, 18:58
I'll admit, I took a chance on the SD-C, primarily because it just looks fucking cool in a go to hell rifle. Lo and behold, I was able to notice differences off the bat, with smoother and faster pull, compared to the SSA. IMO, you can only learn so much about triggers by reading. It's really after you make the jump to a premium trigger that you realize what all that gritty, mushiness is all about. Likewise, it's impossible to fully appreciate the wall, or a candy cane break until you spend some time with a good two stage (sure, you can easily feel it, but you see just how breathing control and light touch come into play). So, I'm glad I made the move into the super-badass trigger club, but I wouldn't know what I'm missing otherwise.

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GOST
1 January 2018, 00:28
I prefer flat also. I had both a Legion SAO and a Legion P229, and it wasn’t close. I know part of it was due to it being single vs double. I also like the Overwatch TAC trigger in Glocks, but that also has to with it reducing the trigger reach.

SINNER
2 January 2018, 09:59
Flat triggers hands down make me shoot better. I love the CMC triggers. I Really need to get my hands on a Geissele SSP.

alamo5000
17 January 2018, 21:58
Just a short update for now...

I got back home today (I've been gone for over 2 months) and installed the Armory Craft trigger on my P226.

Short Review: HOLY SHIT THAT THING IS AWESOME!!!! I am telling you guys what, if you own a Sig you really need to look at these guys. Plus on top of that the customer service has been stellar. The new trigger gives the gun an entirely new feel to it.

I bought the slightly curved trigger but I will buy a flat one too pretty soon. I will also buy a trigger for my 938.

I am also thinking I might pimp a CZ75 too. Armory Craft has a lot of stuff for CZ as well.

The new trigger for my P226 is awesome. It was kind of a mild (3 out of 10) pain in the ass to install but in the end it wasn't bad at all. Breaking down the gun and all that was not a problem. Watch a video on it and in 3 min it was all apart. Putting it back together was pretty easy too.

The hardest part was actually where you have to 'custom fit' the trigger to your specific frame. It has two little hard plastic pins (the same material used for an AR upper and lower tensioning screw) that need to be adjusted. The over travel screw you just screw in and out with a small allen wrench and put a drop of blue loctite on it. The other one (the reset pin) actually requires some really gentle sanding with a small file. It didn't take a long time, maybe 20 minutes, but then again I was going super slow so I didn't over do it or scratch up the finish on my gun.

Apparently the machining of Sigs isn't exactly uniform from gun to gun so you have to fit this particular part to the frame of your specific gun. Once it's done it's done and you never have to touch it again. Well worth the upgrade. Well worth the time.

After it is all done though HOLY CRAP man! It's like I have a new gun. There is zero take up in double action. All that slop in the factory trigger is GONE. The over travel is also gone. In single action it's still a lot better too. By a whole lot. There is no side to side wobble. It's just great.

Wow. Seriously. Sig owners... this is for you...

This is the one I got (not my picture)

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alamo5000
17 January 2018, 22:14
This looks awesome. Form and function. Lots of options there. Need to study out what I want. Lots of colors too.

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rxer311
21 October 2018, 07:39
I am thinking about an HBi flat trigger for my CZ p10c...