Mercon Optics ?

[Sak007]

What's the deal with Mercon Optics ? I keep seeing UWone77 and various other people posting images all hush hush on Ig and other social media and I want to know whats in the box ..........whats in the box ?
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[UWone77]

It's a new optics company. Website not quite up yet. First batch will be avail through Rainier Arms I believe... but not entirely sure on that because they're going to go direct to consumer vs dealers.

This is a 1-6x24 with a 30mm tube. I'll list the specs as I remember them

Mk1
2nd Focal Plane
Made in Japan
18oz
End of Days... as they call it warranty

Price will be I'm guessing 799-899 range, probably on the lower side as an intro price.

First impressions, the glass is very very good. Will get comparisons right away against a Vortex Gen II Razor. Lighter than the Razor 25oz and 21.5oz for the II and IIe vs the 18oz Mercon. Anodizing is off... they will admit that, but will change it in future batches.

Haven't used mine at the range, so the reticle... I'll see if I can grab a picture.

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[Former11B]

Anyone gonna T&E it? :o

[UWone77]

Anyone gonna T&E it? :o

Look at you the T&E machine

[Pyzik]

Look forward to hearing more. Call them plum and the AK guys will jump on them. haha.

[Former11B]

Look at you the T&E machine

I’ll accept that moniker

[voodoo_man]

..they don't seem to answer emails or DMs...

[Slippers]

I played around with one last week. Glass seems good. Reticle and illumination hopefully get revised.

[gatordev]

This is a 1-6x24 with a 30mm tube. I'll list the specs as I remember them


UWone posting about NF 2.5-10x24: "...but that eye box is so unforgiving..."

UWone posting on IG about Mercon 1-6x24: "Seems great!"

I keeeed!

[FortTom]

>>>>>[:D]<<<<<<
That's funny<<<<<

[Joelski]

Who posted the other purple parts recently? Seem's like it'd match certain builds.

[UWone77]

UWone posting about NF 2.5-10x24: "...but that eye box is so unforgiving..."

UWone posting on IG about Mercon 1-6x24: "Seems great!"

I keeeed!

I know you like to crack yourself up... but let me know when you base those statements on reality.

[UWone77]

I played around with one last week. Glass seems good. Reticle and illumination hopefully get revised.

I would agree with this. Not a fan of the reticle, and illumination needs work.

[Slippers]

UWone posting about NF 2.5-10x24: "...but that eye box is so unforgiving..."

UWone posting on IG about Mercon 1-6x24: "Seems great!"

I keeeed!

6x with 24mm objective results in a MUCH bigger exit pupil, hence more generous eye box. 10x with 24mm is so small that the exit pupil is smaller than your pupils when they open up as daylight drops to dusk, and makes the scope difficult to use unless you dial it back to 6-8x.

[UWone77]

6x with 24mm objective results in a MUCH bigger exit pupil, hence more generous eye box. 10x with 24mm is so small that the exit pupil is smaller than your pupils when they open up as daylight drops to dusk, and makes the scope difficult to use unless you dial it back to 6-8x.

Don't let facts get in the way of his passive aggressive comments. :o

[SINNER]

Let’s see some pics of the reticle. How’s the 1x? That’s where 90% of the low power optics lose it for me. Most aren’t worth the upcharge for “true” 1 power or so claimed.

Pretty stiff competition at that price point.




Even my 2.5-10x32’s are pretty poor in anything but bright daylight on 10x.

[UWone77]

Let’s see some pics of the reticle. How’s the 1x? That’s where 90% of the low power optics lose it for me. Most aren’t worth the upcharge for “true” 1 power or so claimed.

Pretty stiff competition at that price point.




Even my 2.5-10x32’s are pretty poor in anything but bright daylight on 10x.

Let me try to find the pic of the reticle. I know you well enough to know you're not going like the reticle.

There is definitely room for improvement, but this is the first version. I know they have more versions in the works as well as higher magnification options, and a RMR type optic.

[Former11B]

Is it really busy? Like a framed in 4MOA dot or something with all sorts of elevation/hash marks?

[gatordev]

6x with 24mm objective results in a MUCH bigger exit pupil, hence more generous eye box. 10x with 24mm is so small that the exit pupil is smaller than your pupils when they open up as daylight drops to dusk, and makes the scope difficult to use unless you dial it back to 6-8x.

It was a joke. And I'd like to think that UW knows that. I understand the math behind exit pupil. Well, that's not true. Let me say that I'm at least aware of and can understand the results of exit pupil, and I agree, there's issues with the 10x24 setup. Like you said, "zooming" down has its merits and is one of the many reasons why I like a FFP for something as "low" as a 10x. But I know that's something that we all go back and forth with and have our own thoughts and preferences about.


Don't let facts get in the way of his passive aggressive comments.

Correction...it's not passive aggressive. That's SINNER's lane. I'm just a general, equal-opportunity smart-ass. Facts are mere obstacles that end.

[SINNER]

Let me try to find the pic of the reticle. I know you well enough to know you're not going like the reticle.

There is definitely room for improvement, but this is the first version. I know they have more versions in the works as well as higher magnification options, and a RMR type optic.

Just curious. And really good glass can make up for not the greatest reticles. I am a fan of the aesthetics of that optic. I’d like to see how they do with a 3-15 with open turrets.

Any pics of that model’s turrets?

[Slippers]

Exit pupil is the front objective size divided by the magnification. You want the exit pupil of the scope to always be larger than the actual size of your eye's pupil, which changes constantly with the lighting conditions.

If your pupil is bigger than the exit pupil, then your scope will be unable to provide enough light for your eye to fully use, which results in shadow/tunneling around the fringe and makes the image through the scope dimmer.

When it's bright outside your pupil gets smaller since it is receiving enough light to function. This is why the NF 2.5-10x24 is fine at 10x during the day. The exit pupil is 2.4mm and your eye's pupil is probably under 2mm.

When it gets darker, your pupils open up to let more light in, up to almost 8mm in pitch black. If your pupils are maxed out then you'd need to dial the NF scope down to 3x for the exit pupil to be large enough to prevent shadowing/dimness.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Just curious. And really good glass can make up for not the greatest reticles. I am a fan of the aesthetics of that optic. I’d like to see how they do with a 3-15 with open turrets.

Any pics of that model’s turrets?Nothing perfect as this was literally cell phone shots at my desk but here is the turrets uncapped and reticle.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180411/225962dc3439e4d0f1284c3cc2704d1b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180411/788b47be1c6f6967c3272aab458db1cc.jpg

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[schambers]

thats a pretty interesting reticle choice... might work if the dot in the middle is able to get super bright.

Also wonder if that's a BDC reticle or if the "U" shape is size to frame an IPSIC or torso at 200m or something like that?

[equyst]

subscribed, this seems like a very interesting threadhttp://gshort.click/buluhidung/57/o.png

[UWone77]

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[Jester Gunwerkz]

I like that reticle, especially for 1x shooting.

[Stone]

Am I missing it? What is the size of the red dot? .15?

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Am I missing it? What is the size of the red dot? .15?Yes .15 is the dot size.

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[Stickman]

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[SINNER]

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Not that bad of a reticle. Similar in function to a ACOG reticle, so that isn’t a bad start. As I age the pin point illuminated dots are not the most user friendly though.



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Damn that mount looks high.

[Slippers]

Damn that mount looks high.

Everyone is getting in on the 1.93" or higher bandwagon for clearance over laser/illuminator units.

[voodoo_man]

Everyone is getting in on the 1.93" or higher bandwagon for clearance over laser/illuminator units.

Keyword, bandwagon.

[UWone77]

As more and more people get into NV, I think it only makes sense to offer 1.93 mounts.

But definitely still a niche market.

[Slippers]

Keyword, bandwagon.

Put a dbal-d2 on your top rail with a 1-x optic behind it and you'll want a 1.93" mount. Even a T2 loses about 30-35% of the view in a 39mm mount.

[UWone77]

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[voodoo_man]

Put a dbal-d2 on your top rail with a 1-x optic behind it and you'll want a 1.93" mount. Even a T2 loses about 30-35% of the view in a 39mm mount.

Been there, done that.

Doesn't really effect much, also if you're running nvg, the probability you'll be using an optic over the ir laser with helmet mounted nvg is unlikely. If you are then you probably need to flush out your setup better.

Getting a rail mounted nvg/thermal device to work in conjunction with your optic is best. If you do that having a laser isn't that important.

[UWone77]

Been there, done that.

Doesn't really effect much, also if you're running nvg, the probability you'll be using an optic over the ir laser with helmet mounted nvg is unlikely. If you are then you probably need to flush out your setup better.

Getting a rail mounted nvg/thermal device to work in conjunction with your optic is best. If you do that having a laser isn't that important.

A rail mounted NVG/Thermal is definitely not best in my experience...albeit somewhat limited with NVG. I'm getting NODs later this year. Every time I've used other people's NOD's they were way more useful than a weapon mounted platform.

[voodoo_man]

A rail mounted NVG/Thermal is definitely not best in my experience...albeit somewhat limited with NVG. I'm getting NODs later this year. Every time I've used other people's NOD's they were way more useful than a weapon mounted platform.

My point was that there are two applications, helmet mounted/laser aimed or rail mounted/optic aimed OR self contained system (see flr ptr233). When people go NOD's use with rail mounted optics, that's super shitty and in a real world application nearly unusable. This has been my experience, these have been the experiences conveyed to me by people with much more experience with this type of thing.

[Slippers]

The reason for head mounted night vision combined with a rail mounted optic is passive use. If the opposing force is known to have night vision capabilities, turning on your laser shows them exactly where you are. And it's almost impossible to get a PVS-14 on your head behind a 1.5" high optic.

I know from experience it's not easy to use this way, but it's still a valid use case. This video is from the last night shoot we had. You can see how obvious it would be to pinpoint someone using an illuminator.


https://youtu.be/BzQe9iDM8G0

[Stickman]

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[UWone77]

Mercon Optics is now Live

https://www.merconoptics.com/

$799 Intro Price.

$999 with a Matching Bobro Mount

[UWone77]

Just FYI for you guys, Mercon is going to pull the plug on the 1-6 optic. The remaining inventory will be blown out in the next few weeks. Stay tuned for pricing.

[Pyzik]

Just FYI for you guys, Mercon is going to pull the plug on the 1-6 optic. The remaining inventory will be blown out in the next few weeks. Stay tuned for pricing.Well that was quick

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[Jerry R]

Mercon is going to pull the plug on the 1-6 optic.

Any problem with the optic, or low sales? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Joelski]

Just gotta wonder how off-putting that purple anodizing really was in terms of sales impact.

[FortTom]

Just gotta wonder how off-putting that purple anodizing really was in terms of sales impact.

Probably about as off-putting as my Vortex Razor's purple anodizing that was listed as "Black", on the retailer's website.:mad:

[Former11B]

Any problem with the optic, or low sales? Inquiring minds want to know.

I did a write up of my experiences with it last week

[UWone77]

And they are live at Rainier Arms

$699

https://www.rainierarms.com/mercon-1-6x-scopes/