Can you tell me about the Vortex Razor 1X6 Gen II - E

[FortTom]

Pros - Cons. Quality, durability and what other thoughts you might have?

Thanks,

FT[:D]

[Slippers]

Satisfies my optic snobbery. I would prefer a slightly different reticle, but it's usable. The E version has identical tube, glass, and illumination to the original, so you're not giving anything up. At 21.5 oz it's not a Kahles K16i but it's also not a pig.

They're occasionally on sale for less than $1400, which is a pretty good deal.

[tact]

I wanted a Kahles originally, but saved myself about 600$ am ultimately happy with my choice. I like the MRAD reticle personally, has very good glass, illumination is fairly bright in daylight, and it seems to be a pretty solid, durable optic so far. The weight really doesn’t bother me so I can’t really speak to it positive or negative. You can get it for 1200 from Eurooptic with their discount code.

[FortTom]

O.K. so I'm trying one. $1399 everywhere I looked, with MIL discount from Eurooptic, out the door for 1200 and some change. Not too bad I suppose. Ships today. Hope to have it soon. Thanks Tact for the heads-up on the MIL discount. Europtics very easy to work with, friendly too.

FT[:D]

[tact]

I hope it fits what you are looking for. If it is not to your liking I’ll buy it off you so you aren’t out anything.

[gatordev]

FT, as I mentioned in the other thread, I don't own one, but I've shot with it some. Like Slippers, I'm not a total fan of the reticle, but I've also personally witnessed it hitting steel at 600y on a B/C target with a 11.5" AR using only holds. It should work out well for you, especially now that they've lost a few oz.

[UWone77]

MIL/LE guys should sign up for experticity.com for discounts on Vortex.

[FortTom]

Thanks guys. I read every review, and watched every video I could find and all seemed to really like it. Their main gripe was that it's a bit heavy, but not so that they didn't still enjoy it.
Still, I like to hear what the folks around here have to say about stuff. I've been reading most of your posts for about 6 years or so ago, so It's like I "know" many of you and respect your opinions, whether I agree or disagree with them.

FT[:D]

[Joelski]

It's a weird, brownish, bronze color, so you will earn the admiration of 50 Shades of FDE on IG.

[FortTom]

MIL/LE guys should sign up for experticity.com for discounts on Vortex.

Some places won't include retired MIL, only Active Duty, Active Reserve, or Guard. I respect that, but Europtics didn't flinch when I told them I was retired. Don't know about experticity.com. Never heard of them until UW's post.

FT[:D]

[BoilerUp]

Some places won't include retired MIL, only Active Duty, Active Reserve, or Guard. I respect that, but Europtics didn't flinch when I told them I was retired. Don't know about experticity.com. Never heard of them until UW's post.

FT[:D]

Vortex counts vets for the discount program, but they administer it through ExpertVoice (formerly experticity). The problem for me is I get hit with WA's 10% sales tax now (whereas the old program was direct through Vortex out of Wisconsin) so I've been able to get equivalent deals on other products through other channels. I just checked Experticity pricing on the Razor and I can tell you not to lose any sleep over the price you paid.

You should also sign up for GovX. The prices generally aren't as good but they offer the occasional discount code and can have some additional clearance specials.

[Former11B]

Some places won't include retired MIL, only Active Duty, Active Reserve, or Guard. I respect that, but Europtics didn't flinch when I told them I was retired. Don't know about experticity.com. Never heard of them until UW's post.

FT[:D]

I signed up for Vortex’s thing

If you want me to....help...let me know

[FortTom]

It's a weird, brownish, bronze color, so you will earn the admiration of 50 Shades of FDE on IG.
[:D][:D][:D]

[FortTom]

Vortex counts vets for the discount program, but they administer it through ExpertVoice (formerly experticity). The problem for me is I get hit with WA's 10% sales tax now (whereas the old program was direct through Vortex out of Wisconsin) so I've been able to get equivalent deals on other products through other channels. I just checked Experticity pricing on the Razor and I can tell you not to lose any sleep over the price you paid.

You should also sign up for GovX. The prices generally aren't as good but they offer the occasional discount code and can have some additional clearance specials.

BU, with the discount, the cheapest I could find on the net, no tax and no shipping charges, I feel I got a decent deal.

FT[:D]

[FortTom]

It's a weird, brownish, bronze color, so you will earn the admiration of 50 Shades of FDE on IG.

Got it in from UPS today, also my BoBro QD came in today, also. You're not kidding Joelski, they are a funky, weird color I won't even try to describe. Will mount when upper the upper gets here, in lieu of pulling another scope or RDS off of another rifle. Until then, does anyone know where to get a front flip up cap for this scope? I went to Vortex's sight, and unless I just missed it, they don't have one for my model. Weird that they will include a rear cover and not a front.

FT[:D]

[DISCOM]

I think what you are looking for is here.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-flip-cap-optic-cover-size-3-fc-3

Great scope and I love mine.

[FortTom]

Thanks, I'm not sure why I couldn't find it on their site, you must have website ninja skills..[:D]

[SINNER]

Do they really sell that optic with only one cap? LMFAO I’d return it on principal alone if that’s the case.

[FortTom]

Do they really sell that optic with only one cap? LMFAO I’d return it on principal alone if that’s the case.
Well, my box only had a rear. Went through it and looked all around and couldn't find a front. I wasn't to impressed about that, but I don't know if that's how they do it, or it was a quality issue, and they missed putting one in the box.

FT

EDIT: I went to their description page and it does not list the caps. "Included in box - Scope, Lens Cloth- Battery.

But for the price Eurooptics gave me with my military discount, I can forgive them and spend 8 dollars and some change for a new one.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Boredom and pursuit of trivia... googled Vortex Razor 1-6 unboxing vid. Just the rear cover included.

[SINNER]

That’s honestly so stupid it’s mind boggling.

[FortTom]

Boredom and pursuit of trivia... googled Vortex Razor 1-6 unboxing vid. Just the rear cover included.

Just out of curiosity, did they mention it in the video, or offer an explanation. Seriously, I'm not all that worried about it, I've got one on the way for about $8.00, no shipping, but is is odd that they would do that.

FT[:D]

[ChattanoogaPhil]

This is an unboxing starting with the shipping box. Says he can't find but the one cap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXPZbrocPg

Another unboxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIPQQ3G9I

[voodoo_man]

...and you don't want an nx8 because?

[tact]

...and you don't want an nx8 because?

500$ + for what ....a crappy reticle, tight eyebox, and 4oz lighter......oh and 2 lens caps.

[voodoo_man]

500$ + for what ....a crappy reticle, tight eyebox, and 4oz lighter......oh and 2 lens caps.

I prefer the reticle on the nx8, at least the mil/mil.

Eyebox isn't as tight as people seem to make it out to be. I'd say its about on par with USO's and right below Kahles.

oz = lbs

Who actually uses lens caps?

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Oh boy.... is this a good time for me to mention that neither the Vortex or NF use rechargeable batteries?

[gatordev]

500$ + for what ....a crappy reticle, tight eyebox, and 4oz lighter......oh and 2 lens caps.

I think it depends on what you're looking for. Price...can't argue with you there for MSRP. But who pays that? Otherwise, I think the Vortex has a more precise reticle at the center if you're shooting for groups (or small targets at distance) given the 1.75 MOA dot on the NX8, but otherwise I'm with voodoo_man. I've found it to work pretty well everywhere else and the sub-tensions are easier to find. And so far I haven't had eye-box issues, even in unconventional positions.

[UWone77]

Finally took my NX8 to the range. Daytime bright had me sold. It's also compact enough to run on an SBR. So far I like it. I'll probably get another later.

[tact]

Ehhh.....well glad you guys are happy with it. I was eagerly awaiting its arrival when word broke of its impending release and in the end felt ultimately disappointed after it hit the streets. Maybe I’ll warm up to it later.....maybe when the new hotness drops there will be plenty to go after on the used market.

[gatordev]

Ehhh.....well glad you guys are happy with it. I was eagerly awaiting its arrival when word broke of its impending release and in the end felt ultimately disappointed after it hit the streets. Maybe I’ll warm up to it later.....maybe when the new hotness drops there will be plenty to go after on the used market.

It wasn't exactly what I was expecting, on the reticle side, either. Neither of them were. But after running both, for 300y and in on B/C or bigger targets, they've been fantastic. I'd just give it time, assuming it fits on how you want to use it.

[voodoo_man]

I enjoy the talk about reticles, honestly I do.

Issue is that most people won't even shoot past 300 yards with theirs, that's being generous.

Reticles start to matter in the 500y+ area, even there, you can get away with something simple if you've done the math on barrel+ammo

[gatordev]

I enjoy the talk about reticles, honestly I do.

Issue is that most people won't even shoot past 300 yards with theirs, that's being generous.

Reticles start to matter in the 500y+ area, even there, you can get away with something simple if you've done the math on barrel+ammo

No argument from me there. And I have no doubt either NF scope will do well out at distance on a reasonable sized target. I just haven't had a chance to take mine out yet.

In general though, I just think it's fair to keep in mind when talking about the NF 1-8s that if you're trying to hit a 2 MOA target at distance with a giant 1.75 MOA blob in the center, it isn't as optimal as other reticles. But obviously that isn't the primary intent of these scopes, so it's all relative.

[Slippers]

I shoot out to 600 yards almost every week and don't find any issues with the NF 1-8 center dot size. If shooting 300+ you'd be holding over, in which case there's plenty of precision with the reticle. With a 100 yard zero you're going to be holding a little over 1 mil at 300 and 2 mils at 400 with both 5.56 and 7.62, which puts you on the nice fine hash marks.

If you're trying to shoot groups at 100 yards then the large center dot doesn't really do you any favors, but there are easy ways around this: simply dial down a mil and then hold a mil high so you can use the fine hash marks.

[gatordev]

I shoot out to 600 yards almost every week and don't find any issues with the NF 1-8 center dot size. If shooting 300+ you'd be holding over, in which case there's plenty of precision with the reticle. With a 100 yard zero you're going to be holding a little over 1 mil at 300 and 2 mils at 400 with both 5.56 and 7.62, which puts you on the nice fine hash marks.

If you're trying to shoot groups at 100 yards then the large center dot doesn't really do you any favors, but there are easy ways around this: simply dial down a mil and then hold a mil high so you can use the fine hash marks.

All good points. Like I said, I haven't taken mine out yet. What you're saying would probably become immediately obvious once I got behind the rifle, especially since both my NX8 and ATACR wear their caps. I'm just thinking about this from the perspective* being behind a 2.5-10, where either method (hold or spin) is an easy option. But again, very different scope for a different use.

* I will also note that I'm "triggered" by a match director who thinks a SPR is supposed to be a 1 MOA shooter. Will the barrel do that? Yes, but that's not how the system was designed and putting 2 MOA targets at intermediate distances turns a "SPR" match into a "Feats of Strength" match. But I'll get off my soap box because I know if I continue I'll just get into a tirade and then the people in white will come to take me to a quiet place.

[FortTom]

The Vortex front lens cap came in today. Discom found it for me, it's a size 3 from Vortex. This cap looks like a Butler Creek but is actually a soft rubber that slips back over the scope, with a little wiggling and persuasion. Just in case anyone else wants one for their's (Razor), you can order them for just under eight bucks from Vortex.

FT[:D]

[JGifford]

I didnt know anyone other than John Aadland made lens caps.

What I keep hearing about the NX8 is that it's a long distance optic shrunk, that happens to illuminate brightly, while the Vortex is a swoll RDS that happens to magnify. I've yet to hear anyone say the NF is superior 0-300 yards, which has really put the brakes on my purchase of the NX8.

[SINNER]

I didnt know anyone other than John Aadland made lens caps.

What I keep hearing about the NX8 is that it's a long distance optic shrunk, that happens to illuminate brightly, while the Vortex is a swoll RDS that happens to magnify. I've yet to hear anyone say the NF is superior 0-300 yards, which has really put the brakes on my purchase of the NX8.

I let my dealer sell my NX8. Honestly disappointed in the optic. It certainly didn’t help that one of the 2 he had the illumination was significantly brighter than the other. We even swapped batteries. NF’s illumination has always been suspect and it appears that’s still the case.

Steiner is saying Dec/Jan for this....Ill wait. Lol

https://www.steiner-optics.com/riflescopes/m8xi-1-8x24

[tact]

Nice.........but if it’s $2000+ and has a BDC reticle I’ll be disappointed.

[Slippers]

I let my dealer sell my NX8. Honestly disappointed in the optic. It certainly didn’t help that one of the 2 he had the illumination was significantly brighter than the other. We even swapped batteries. NF’s illumination has always been suspect and it appears that’s still the case.

Steiner is saying Dec/Jan for this....Ill wait. Lol

https://www.steiner-optics.com/riflescopes/m8xi-1-8x24

The illumination module was out of alignment on the dimmer one. Easy fix but does require sending it in.

[ZhouJett]

American Defense has a optics Combo package w their best mount (Delta-C) the best deal on a Vortex PST Gen 2 1-6x24 I’ve seen for about $750.. (mine shown here) that’s like getting their best mount for free.. The Razor HD Gen 2E 1-6x24 w Delta-C mount is around around $1450.. https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/1268/ check it out..5815

[ZhouJett]

The Delta-C has got to be the most solid mount available in my humble opinion..5816

[ZhouJett]

I let my dealer sell my NX8. Honestly disappointed in the optic. It certainly didn’t help that one of the 2 he had the illumination was significantly brighter than the other. We even swapped batteries. NF’s illumination has always been suspect and it appears that’s still the case.

Steiner is saying Dec/Jan for this....Ill wait. Lol

https://www.steiner-optics.com/riflescopes/m8xi-1-8x24

Comparing M8Xi 1-8x24 to an Razor HD Gen 2E.. i go w the Razor.. Good enough...

[JGifford]

I just never could accept the shitty throw-levers made for the Vortex Razor HD II line. I mean, they in no way look like they belong. Leupold's MK6 levers fit like a glove and match the rises on the mag ring. NF uses a screw-in lever. Kahles is the most elegant solution with the very tasteful fin.

Vortex?

You bolt some shit to it that doesn't even interface with the mag ring except by cranking up the torque.

But then...

...and yes, these ridges fit those grooves like a glove...

http://i64.tinypic.com/2w6w4mp.jpg

[FortTom]

I just never could accept the shitty throw-levers made for the Vortex Razor HD II line. I mean, they in no way look like they belong. Leupold's MK6 levers fit like a glove and match the rises on the mag ring. NF uses a screw-in lever. Kahles is the most elegant solution with the very tasteful fin.

Vortex?

You bolt some shit to it that doesn't even interface with the mag ring except by cranking up the torque.

But then...

...and yes, these ridges fit those grooves like a glove...

http://i64.tinypic.com/2w6w4mp.jpg
Did you get that from Leupold? Do you know the part number? How about the price?

Thanks,

FT[:D]

[Slippers]

Did you get that from Leupold? Do you know the part number? How about the price?

Thanks,

FT[:D]

It's made by aadland engineering. They also make the best scope caps.

[FortTom]

It's made by aadland engineering. They also make the best scope caps.

Damn, and I just bought one from Vortex. No matter for now though, aadland's model for Vortex Razor is on back order.

Story of my life.

FT[:D]

[JGifford]

Did you get that from Leupold? Do you know the part number? How about the price?

Thanks,

FT[:D]

Lol, no, Leupold does not make Vortex accessories. It's from Aadland and cost around $50 or something.

[JGifford]

Damn, and I just bought one from Vortex. No matter for now though, aadland's model for Vortex Razor is on back order.

Story of my life.

FT[:D]

It always will be. They are made to order. Typically ships within the business week from order.

[SINNER]

The illumination module was out of alignment on the dimmer one. Easy fix but does require sending it in.

I have a few I think might need checked out. Illumination has always been a weak point with NF.

Aadland is definitely top tier. One of the best mounts I’ve used.

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