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tact
4 October 2018, 23:36
https://eforms.atf.gov/EForms/faces/userProfile/login.jspx?_afrLoop=169865539882229483&_afrWindowMode=0&_adf.ctrl-state=u4qdce8u4_4

UWone77
5 October 2018, 00:14
https://eforms.atf.gov/EForms/faces/userProfile/login.jspx?_afrLoop=169865539882229483&_afrWindowMode=0&_adf.ctrl-state=u4qdce8u4_4

While I'm trying to figure out what my password is again.... [BD]

Any idea how they're handling fingerprints and photos online? Just mail them in after you fill out the forms electronically?

gatordev
5 October 2018, 13:42
Huh. So I guess they didn't send out any emails to account holders? I used to get regular emails from them when it was up before.

fledge
5 October 2018, 13:59
Process per Capitol Armory.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181005/5696698111c333f1df57fa22ff60cb54.png

Deadwing
8 October 2018, 05:18
Other than an approved form's time in transit from BATFE back to the applicant, i wonder if this will actually save any time since one still needs to mail in finger print cards which will need to be processed and matched to the rest of the application.

Ordnance
29 October 2018, 20:21
Allegedly these are coming back in <2 weeks approved. I just submitted mine on Friday (10/26), and mailed the fingerprints flat rate priority envelope today. I'll update you all when I hear back.

UWone77
30 October 2018, 09:22
I'm going to fill out a Form 1 for a LMT MARS lower this weekend to see how long it takes.

Like I said, I've got a few Form 1/4's that are over 200 days now, so if this takes 2 weeks, that would be amazing.

Slippers
30 October 2018, 16:53
eforms are down right now. Have been since yesterday. The help line responded to me and said they're aware of the issue and trying to get it back up. Anyway, it's down Wednesdays for maintenance so maybe it'll be working again tomorrow evening.

kattman
31 October 2018, 03:54
I can confirm approved FORM 1 in <2 weeks. Was shocked!!! I still have a couple from pre 41F that I am waiting on that I filed close to the cut-off point.

Looks like the site is back up, but down for WED maint.

mustangfreek
31 October 2018, 23:31
All of a sudden they figure it out and 2 weeks the norm..lol..

Joelski
1 November 2018, 13:37
iPad Gremlin.

BoilerUp
3 November 2018, 08:31
I presume I need to print / sign and scan the RPQ and upload the scanned copy with my signature? Kind of defeats the purpose of e-Forms, but it seems the RPQ is treated as simply an attachment to the Form 1 eForm. Am I grocking this correctly?

Edit: never mind, I figured out how to add the signature to the RPQ electronically via Adobe before uploading. Note that to upload your trust the file size has to be less that 3MB. I had to break my file up into a few pieces which was a bit of a pain.

Edit 2: holy cow that was a painful user experience. I don't remember the last time I used a website or piece of software that was that poorly designed and built.

gatordev
3 November 2018, 13:14
holy cow that was a painful user experience. I don't remember the last time I used a website or piece of software that was that poorly designed and built.

You've obviously never used move.mil. There's a lot of shitty DoD websites, but that has to be the worst, right up there with the ATF site.

fledge
4 November 2018, 13:46
When you guys filed, did it say in any instructions if you could send the same set of prints for multiple form 1s?

BoilerUp
4 November 2018, 18:47
When you guys filed, did it say in any instructions if you could send the same set of prints for multiple form 1s?

If it makes sense and you are dealing with the government, you can pretty much guarantee they won't allow it. I'd be really surprised if they'd accept a single set of prints for multiple applications. But, to answer your question directly, I didn't notice, although the application appears to let you add more than one firearm so it's worth a call to verify.

Joelski
4 November 2018, 20:50
I thought part of 41F was that prints and photos remained good to go for one year from original filing?

On a related note, is anybody else getting java errors out the yin-yang?

fledge
5 November 2018, 13:58
Thanks, BU.


I thought part of 41F was that prints and photos remained good to go for one year from original filing?

On a related note, is anybody else getting java errors out the yin-yang?

My understanding is that prints are good indefinitely. Photos for one year. That’s the Silencer Shop policy. That said, I don’t think you can just fill out a form 6 months later and tell ATF to check your file for the prints and pic.

UWone77
5 November 2018, 16:38
Last year I sent in 3 Form 1's at the same time, but forgot to include a second set of prints for each. So instead of 6 cards I only sent in 3. I was fully expecting a rejection letter. It never came and I got my stamps. I'm not sure what the policy is, but I just sent in 2 per.

Ordnance
5 November 2018, 21:05
When you guys filed, did it say in any instructions if you could send the same set of prints for multiple form 1s?

I'd have to go back and look, but if I remember right it says you have to submit a set of prints for each for form 1, and every time. It's fucking annoying, because they have a dozen sets of my prints, including one from an FFL I was added to not even 2 months ago.

kattman
6 November 2018, 03:20
Second Form 1 approved through trust. Filed 10/26/18---approved yesterday 11/05/18------

Ordnance
6 November 2018, 11:36
I filed mine on the 26th, so hopefully I'll hear back any day now.

BoilerUp
17 November 2018, 08:10
I presume I need to print / sign and scan the RPQ and upload the scanned copy with my signature? Kind of defeats the purpose of e-Forms, but it seems the RPQ is treated as simply an attachment to the Form 1 eForm. Am I grocking this correctly?

Edit: never mind, I figured out how to add the signature to the RPQ electronically via Adobe before uploading. Note that to upload your trust the file size has to be less that 3MB. I had to break my file up into a few pieces which was a bit of a pain.

Edit 2: holy cow that was a painful user experience. I don't remember the last time I used a website or piece of software that was that poorly designed and built.

Submitted e-File Form 1 on 11/3, Approved 11/15

Concurrently, I used the Silencer Shop Form 1 service and submitted on 9/30 and it's still sitting with them. It looks like they held it while they got things setup to use the ATF's eFile service and they state they'll be submitted via eFile soon. I was happy to hear that since I was afraid I was going to have to wait 6-12 months otherwise. That takes some of the value out of their service since you can do it directly via the ATF website now, but then again that website is so horribly designed and the SS process is much better so it may be worth it for those who get easily frustrated by technology.

fledge
17 November 2018, 09:20
Submitted e-File Form 1 on 11/3, Approved 11/15

Concurrently, I used the Silencer Shop Form 1 service and submitted on 9/30 and it's still sitting with them. It looks like they held it while they got things setup to use the ATF's eFile service and they state they'll be submitted via eFile soon. I was happy to hear that since I was afraid I was going to have to wait 6-12 months otherwise. That takes some of the value out of their service since you can do it directly via the ATF website now, but then again that website is so horribly designed and the SS process is much better so it may be worth it for those who get easily frustrated by technology.

The SS approach doesn’t require you to submit more original finger prints. Once in their system they are good indefinitely. Which is good for trusts with multiple persons. But that’s the only advantage I see.

Deadwing
18 November 2018, 04:46
The SS approach doesn’t require you to submit more original finger prints. Once in their system they are good indefinitely. Which is good for trusts with multiple persons. But that’s the only advantage I see.

Factoring the cost of each set of finger prints (which is minimal at $10 for the first card, $3 each additional) and, more importantly, the value of my time needed to actually go in and get my prints taken, i personally see not needing to get new prints each time i want to submit a Form 1 as a huge advantage.

I read in the last newsletter i received from Silencer Shop that forms filed using their Form 1 service are now being eFiled. So i guess i'll be finding out soon whether or not it'll be as fast as filing directly with BATFE.

UWone77
30 November 2018, 09:59
For those that filled out an online Form 1, it says passport style photo...... but how did you scan it? Just scanned the tiny photo? Or ?

Joelski
30 November 2018, 12:47
For those that filled out an online Form 1, it says passport style photo...... but how did you scan it? Just scanned the tiny photo? Or ?

In the past, I've uploaded a scanned passport size photo and it was accepted.

gatordev
30 November 2018, 19:18
For those that filled out an online Form 1, it says passport style photo...... but how did you scan it? Just scanned the tiny photo? Or ?

Why do you ask? I know you haven't received those BRN-4 lowers yet. Or have you.........?

Smiles and stuff.

BoilerUp
30 November 2018, 19:25
For those that filled out an online Form 1, it says passport style photo...... but how did you scan it? Just scanned the tiny photo? Or ?

All they mean is that the photograph meets passport standards: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/requirements/photos.html

Just take a picture of yourself against a light wall. I literally took a selfie in my bathroom.

Deadwing
6 December 2018, 09:53
I presume I need to print / sign and scan the RPQ and upload the scanned copy with my signature? Kind of defeats the purpose of e-Forms, but it seems the RPQ is treated as simply an attachment to the Form 1 eForm. Am I grocking this correctly?

Edit: never mind, I figured out how to add the signature to the RPQ electronically via Adobe before uploading. Note that to upload your trust the file size has to be less that 3MB. I had to break my file up into a few pieces which was a bit of a pain.

Edit 2: holy cow that was a painful user experience. I don't remember the last time I used a website or piece of software that was that poorly designed and built.

How did you sign the RPQ? Was it a electronically generated digital signature with a date/time stamp, etc. or did you actually scrawl you signature via touch screen, track pad, etc.? And did eForms generate the PDF, or did you download a blank PDF to fill in, sign, and upload? Thanks for the info! I'm itching to file a few Form 1s, and i'm trying to decide how to proceed (on my own, or using Silencer Shop once their Form 1 service is back online).

BoilerUp
6 December 2018, 21:35
How did you sign the RPQ? Was it a electronically generated digital signature with a date/time stamp, etc. or did you actually scrawl you signature via touch screen, track pad, etc.? And did eForms generate the PDF, or did you download a blank PDF to fill in, sign, and upload? Thanks for the info! I'm itching to file a few Form 1s, and i'm trying to decide how to proceed (on my own, or using Silencer Shop once their Form 1 service is back online).

For the ATF e-File, I embedded my signature image in the PDF (the eqivalent of scanning a signed hard copy). For the SS, I used Docusign to digitally sign (easiest on a tablet where you can use your fingers/touchscreen to sign vs trying to do it with a mouse on a PC). The SS/Docusign system is much easier to navigate and a much better customer/user experience.

If you have Fingerprint cards on hand, and think you can manage your way through the horrible UX of the ATF's website, you're probably better off to go direct to eFile through the ATF website. A few warnings: be prepared to mail your fingerprint cards right away and know that if you use a trust the file size has to be less than 3MB, I believe. I had to break my scanned trust into 4 files which took a while (and luckily have access to a full version of Adobe Acrobat), plus getting the digital signature on the RPQ took me some time to figure out. I probably spent 90 minutes getting everything ready for the ATF eFile (although I could probably do the next one in 20 minutes). The SS process takes about 10 or 15 and they handle the Fingerprint cards for you. So, it depends on if you value speed or convenience more.

Deadwing
7 December 2018, 03:52
For the ATF e-File, I embedded my signature image in the PDF (the eqivalent of scanning a signed hard copy). For the SS, I used Docusign to digitally sign (easiest on a tablet where you can use your fingers/touchscreen to sign vs trying to do it with a mouse on a PC). The SS/Docusign system is much easier to navigate and a much better customer/user experience.

If you have Fingerprint cards on hand, and think you can manage your way through the horrible UX of the ATF's website, you're probably better off to go direct to eFile through the ATF website. A few warnings: be prepared to mail your fingerprint cards right away and know that if you use a trust the file size has to be less than 3MB, I believe. I had to break my scanned trust into 4 files which took a while (and luckily have access to a full version of Adobe Acrobat), plus getting the digital signature on the RPQ took me some time to figure out. I probably spent 90 minutes getting everything ready for the ATF eFile (although I could probably do the next one in 20 minutes). The SS process takes about 10 or 15 and they handle the Fingerprint cards for you. So, it depends on if you value speed or convenience more.

Thanks for the information. In the old eForms system, i know there was a file size limit for documents that were uploaded but i forget what it was. I wound up scanning my trust at a lower resolution (but still very readable) in order to shrink the file size and keep it intact as one document. I don't have anything but adobe reader on my computer (a MacBook), so not sure if i'll be able to add my signature. May have to print the completed form, sign, and scan it back in. I think i'll see if SS can mail some completed fingerprint cards to me so i can mail them on to BATFE as soon as i submit.

Stone
28 December 2018, 10:36
Group warns government shutdown may thicken red tape on NFA items.

https://www.guns.com/news/2018/12/28/group-warns-government-shutdown-may-thicken-red-tape-on-nfa-items

alamo5000
28 December 2018, 11:16
Group warns government shutdown may thicken red tape on NFA items.

https://www.guns.com/news/2018/12/28/group-warns-government-shutdown-may-thicken-red-tape-on-nfa-items

Good information. If it means them fighting it out until the wall gets money I'm willing to wait.

rxer311
28 December 2018, 11:25
I submitted a form 1 on December 19. I will keep you updated when I get it back. Willing to wait for the wall but it is unfortunate timing.

UWone77
28 December 2018, 12:42
This happened to me the last shut down.

I submitted 2 Form 1's Dec 10th. Fingerprints were received the 14th. Nothing yet. I don't anticipate anything until the shut down is over.

Deadwing
14 April 2019, 02:08
I finally got some fingerprint cards and will be submitting a few Form 1s via eforms in the next week or so, which leads me to another question about the latest iteration of eforms: When mailing in fingerprint cards and the cover letter that eforms generates, can prints/cover letters for multiple form 1s be sent in the same packet, or must they be sent separately? My guess is that multiples can be sent together, but i wanted to see if anyone had done this with success first. Thanks for your input!

UWone77
14 April 2019, 11:17
No issues sending multiple face sheets with prints together. I’ve done it several times without problems

Deadwing
14 April 2019, 21:12
No issues sending multiple face sheets with prints together. I’ve done it several times without problems

Right on. Thanks, UW.