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fledge
15 January 2019, 20:28
Starting a thread to show your groups. As mentioned elsewhere, a 10 shot group better reveals the capability of your rifle, ammo, and skill set than small groups. We all have room for improvement. Too many internet commandos fake their results and otherwise set unrealistic expectations. Let this thread be a place for feedback and support in precision with your AR.

I’ll start.

Worked on some recipes today with 8208XBR and 77gr SMK. Best group at 100yds was IMR max load. Strangely, none of these fully cycled the round. Maybe because it was 25*. I saw zero signs of pressure and will work up from here.

Made 10 rounds of 4 loads (some didn’t seat well so I chose not to fire them).

Rifle: WEVO tribute rifle. Mega with proof barrel.

https://i.imgur.com/7OgAoc8.jpg

Here are the results. Squares are 1”.

https://i.imgur.com/fE47D68.jpg

JGifford
16 January 2019, 02:18
75gr Gold Dot. Used a suppressed 16.1" DDM4 gov profile barrel factory rifle from DD. I was using a 4x Nightforce, shot it with the rail rested on a sand bag. Oh hell, here's a video:

https://youtu.be/aaWkaG7U4Ag
http://i68.tinypic.com/voboti.jpgp

mustangfreek
16 January 2019, 04:29
Nice!

Fledge - nice rifle..whatever load is in the bottom right corner , it likes.

Jgifford- That’s a nice little range to have to shoot at..and all alone..sweet..nothing but pits around here..lol..

I’m gonna have to get in on this..

JGifford
16 January 2019, 05:47
Nice!

Fledge - nice rifle..whatever load is in the bottom right corner , it likes.

Jgifford- That’s a nice little range to have to shoot at..and all alone..sweet..nothing but pits around here..lol..

I’m gonna have to get in on this..

That's the local WMA range. I no-longer go there, as I have my own range at the house, now. Pictured below is 30m, and 85m. It goes back about 125m, and I have since the photo was taken had all of the trees trimmed to above head-level so as not to obstruct the targets. This is part of what I've been busy with and hence my absence. I worked quite a bit to snag the downpayment to add this 7 acres of waterfront property to my estate.

http://i64.tinypic.com/64dohe.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2zrkv15.jpg

fledge
16 January 2019, 09:36
JG, beautiful range! How about some waterfront pics. :)

Mustang, the bottom left is max charge in the book. I’ll be adding some more to see if it improves even better. Strangely, I can’t get the rifle to cycle with this. It cycled fine with similar forums in TAC. Similar outside temperatures too. Maybe a faster charge will improve that too. Or a lighter buffer.

JGifford
16 January 2019, 11:25
JG, beautiful range! How about some waterfront pics. :)

Mustang, the bottom left is max charge in the book. I’ll be adding some more to see if it improves even better. Strangely, I can’t get the rifle to cycle with this. It cycled fine with similar forums in TAC. Similar outside temperatures too. Maybe a faster charge will improve that too. Or a lighter buffer.

Thank-you.

http://i64.tinypic.com/1rq1ie.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/ncmgbp.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/npncja.jpg

Former11B
16 January 2019, 12:13
Fledge I know people love 8208 but I can’t get the results from it. Even at near max-max loads, there is a significantly dampened amount of recoil and the brass just falls out of the chamber it feels like compared to other powders (CFE, RE15, Varget, etc). The only decent groups I’ve gotten are much slower than my standard go to loads

fledge
16 January 2019, 12:26
Fledge I know people love 8208 but I can’t get the results from it. Even at near max-max loads, there is a significantly dampened amount of recoil and the brass just falls out of the chamber it feels like compared to other powders (CFE, RE15, Varget, etc). The only decent groups I’ve gotten are much slower than my standard go to loads

That’s helpful!! That’s my experience yesterday. At least it was grouping decent. I’ll up the grains and see what’s next. I plan to try RE15 next.

JG, beautiful. Are there fish in those waters?

JGifford
16 January 2019, 12:35
That’s helpful!! That’s my experience yesterday. At least it was grouping decent. I’ll up the grains and see what’s next. I plan to try RE15 next.

JG, beautiful. Are there fish in those waters?

Small mouth and brown bass, among others I believe.

Former11B
17 January 2019, 09:27
6180

Pulled one

UWone77
17 January 2019, 10:18
6180

Pulled one

That's still some great shooting right there!

fledge
17 January 2019, 10:31
Former, crazy good.

What barrel and optic?

Pyzik
17 January 2019, 10:32
Okay, I might have to play hooky from work and get to the range just to post here. Haha.

I was refraining from making a comment until I hit the range.

Nice shooting guys. Also, I was thinking the same with that little river. Looks like you could wade for miles.

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mustangfreek
17 January 2019, 13:54
Mustang, the bottom left is max charge in the book. I’ll be adding some more to see if it improves even better. Strangely, I can’t get the rifle to cycle with this. It cycled fine with similar forums in TAC. Similar outside temperatures too. Maybe a faster charge will improve that too. Or a lighter buffer.

Max load , and your adding more..work slow.

Also when it warms up it’s gonna show you different , as you know. I never ended up towards max as I usually hit a node low and higher in the powder range. But since I was just plinking paper and targets I usually settled on the lower charge ,where it worked a 100% and ran the gun flawless Only time I’ve been towards max and settled there for some lots. Was 77grs and Tac.

But I never have really had the time or range to sit down at, I’m always up in the hills somewhere...lol..there just isn’t crap for ranges out here , one within an hour and it sux at best..old and rundown..blah blah..anyways..

My favorite 2 powders were Tac and AA2230. Stellar results with the aa..It was just hard to find years ago..So always back and forth with Tac and H335 which is also a good ball powder I had decent results with..


Former11B - is that -0 shots there? If so that’s some good shooting, Barrel?

Former11B
17 January 2019, 15:02
That RE10x/52gr SMK group was my 24” 5.56mm Mossberg with 1:9 twist

Here’s my 52gr Re15 load. Shot five rounds, adjusted the scope and shot 10. Rainier’s Ultramatch Mod1 with Shilen blank. Similar results from the Mod 2, but I only had the five rounds left I shot with it

6186

alamo5000
17 January 2019, 15:17
6180

Pulled one

Very nice!

old11bravo
18 January 2019, 19:55
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Unimpressive but it's a starting point. Using factory manufactured Federal 75gr .224 Valkyrie rounds.

https://i.ibb.co/yqrbNsM/Z-100-Yard-Targets.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/8sYbz7q/Z-100-Yards-Group-02.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/H40J85q/Z-100-Yards-Group-03.jpg

Pyzik
24 January 2019, 06:38
Pretty disappointing day. Haha. I know it's mostly me and not the rifle.

This rifle obviously hates the Winchester. My other rifle shot it fine. All the Fiocchi 55gr shot good for being 55gr.

Wasn't happy with my 75gr Hornady groups.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/a986d7aa0933974c415d9d3d48cc71c3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/39db2f357300ff7c4f1d825f3301c5ac.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/bb7b858f7ba5c2fcd3649b734a10734c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/0d934da39c6a57ecfaa8c252e7c355a3.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/da7d0edb018f2fc2c364266d39ee27eb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190124/edd458837c07684d18f1433bd176ad49.jpg

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mustangfreek
25 January 2019, 01:17
Ya it definitely didn’t like the Win. soft points...lol

Try out some 69gr’ers.. every “match” barrel and decent that I had all loved them, almost better then 77’s..


I’ll get in on this, just need to find some time to hit the one range around here, about an hour away... Haven’t really sat down and shot/grouped some ammo thru the battlekitty..really only sighted it in, up in the hills.. Not the best barrel, but the BA 223 wlyde barrel showed a decent sign of maybe being a decent shooter..

fledge
25 January 2019, 11:02
I scrapped the 8208 XBR after feedback here and tried RL15. 24.1gr. CCI #41. Testing different bullets.

20 round groups. All 2.6 COAL. 25* temps. 7500 elevation.

Top left: 77gr SMK
Top right: 77r Nosler
Bottom left: 75gr Hornady

https://i.imgur.com/L4wGe9m.jpg

Question for the veterans: I notice my bullet seater puts a ring halfway down the bullet. Dillon die. What can I do to prevent this?

BoilerUp
25 January 2019, 18:24
Question for the veterans: I notice my bullet seater puts a ring halfway down the bullet. Dillon die. What can I do to prevent this?

Is it more than just grime that can be wiped off? I'd expect it to just be a dirty die.

fledge
25 January 2019, 18:29
Is it more than just grime that can be wiped off? I'd expect it to just be a dirty die.

I’ll check that out! It was much more pronounced on the Nosler than the Sierra.

mustangfreek
27 January 2019, 07:07
Probably just the die and different bullet profile leaving its mark..shouldn’t do much of anything if it’s just a light mark.

Have you tried any with a hair shorter OAL? I seemed to have my best luck around 2.245

That Hornady group is pretty good

fledge
27 January 2019, 09:22
I did find rings of brass shavings in the die. Hope that’s the problem. I’d like the bullet to stay as perfect as possible.

I’ll try that case length, mustang. I’m also going to try these recipes in a SMOS barrel. My SMOS has always been more consistent than my Proof with factory ammo.

fledge
27 January 2019, 09:26
Also grabbed the new Ballistic-X app. Looks promising. Launch price is only $5.

https://i.imgur.com/yV7qlW3.jpg

Pyzik
27 January 2019, 09:37
Also grabbed the new Ballistic-X app. Looks promising. Launch price is only $5.

https://i.imgur.com/yV7qlW3.jpgI'd had a similar app that wasn't great. Will try this one

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alamo5000
27 January 2019, 11:15
Question for the veterans: I notice my bullet seater puts a ring halfway down the bullet. Dillon die. What can I do to prevent this?

There are several different kinds and brands of seating stems. Sometimes the stems need to be modified when loading up extra long ultra high BC bullets.

If the little ring bothers you I would get a few seating stems. They are generally not expensive.

Former11B
27 January 2019, 11:38
I scrapped the 8208 XBR after feedback here and tried RL15. 24.1gr. CCI #41. Testing different bullets.

20 round groups. All 2.6 COAL. 25* temps. 7500 elevation.

Top left: 77gr SMK
Top right: 77r Nosler
Bottom left: 75gr Hornady

https://i.imgur.com/L4wGe9m.jpg

Question for the veterans: I notice my bullet seater puts a ring halfway down the bullet. Dillon die. What can I do to prevent this?

2.260” OAL? 2.6” is long

As far as the ring on the bullets, the seater plug is doing that. You can clean the plug then polish the inside of the stem where it contacts the bullet. More here:

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2017/04/polish-inside-of-seating-stems-to-avoid-ring-marks-on-bullets/


RCBS will make you a few custom stems if you send them the bullets you use they’ll send back custom stems shaped for your bullets

alamo5000
27 January 2019, 11:57
RCBS will make you a few custom stems if you send them the bullets you use they’ll send back custom stems shaped for your bullets

Yep. A few companies do it. If I ever win the power ball and can start loading ultra high BC all copper bullets all the time I would have a few extra seating stems around.

cjd3
27 January 2019, 21:31
Got my first range day of the year. MDT's Black Friday sale allowed my best group ever for my Savage 12. What a difference a chassis makes. Also, my rifle like lighter bullets. I never had instability with 69 grain Nosler CC, but they never grouped well. This 10 shot group is better than any 5 shot group I've ever recorded, plus I just picked a load out of my guide, no workup.
https://i.imgur.com/kYCdZrBl.jpg

Also did pretty good with my Stag and TA33 at 100 from a benchrest.
https://i.imgur.com/mWVr9Gxl.jpg

mustangfreek
28 January 2019, 03:59
Nice!

cjd3
1 February 2019, 23:47
Question for the veterans: I notice my bullet seater puts a ring halfway down the bullet. Dillon die. What can I do to prevent this?

Is the tip deforming? I had some seating rings on a recent load. At first I thought the problem was because I was using flat base buckets, but then I added a little extra chamfer to the brass and they seated beautifully.

bfoosh006
2 February 2019, 09:37
Some of my best to date... both 100yds, 10rds, scoped, benched, bagged front and rear.... both rifles ..upper receiver face trued, barrel Loctited in place, Agj GB's, heavy buffers and Tubbs .308 Flatwire recoil springs, SSA-E trigger.

Both groups from a freshly cleaned barrel.


.308 is the first photo..., 10rds, Hornady Amer. Gunner 155gr, PSA upper and lower, FN CHF CL barreled.

Second photo, 6.5CM Hornady AG 140gr, PSA upper and lower, 22" Criterion barreled.

fledge
2 February 2019, 09:58
Beautiful groups.

Joelski
3 February 2019, 05:10
Darn nice shootin' fellas! I can't wait to get out and take a turn.

BoilerUp
3 February 2019, 11:02
16" 6.8 SPC AR15Performance Scout barrel with factory 110 gr S&B FMJ.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gSdN3t9/0/58b40c4c/X2/i-gSdN3t9-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SN7NNM5/0/4a31d44e/XL/i-SN7NNM5-XL.jpg

This picture/group is a few years old and I'm pretty sure I've done better with the Federal XM68GD 90gr Gold Dots and about the same with the 115gr Fusions. I haven't really worked up a hand load for my 6.8 and now have a 12.5" ARP that I probably only have ~100 rounds through so really haven't put it through it's paces yet. I just put a new Vortex Razor HD LH on my 16" 6.8 so hopefully I'll make some progress on 6.8 load development this year.

I hold the ARP barrels to be one of the best values in the AR barrel world. It's also why I refuse to create an account an TOS as they'll ban you for even mentioning the name of the company because they value power trips and holding a grudge more than educating the community and the truth.

mustangfreek
5 February 2019, 04:10
Nope...doesn’t count..it’s an old group..we need recent..lol..just playing..

Good group none the less [BD]

With this awesome weather we’re having not sure I’m gonna make it out Thursday ( only open then for non members) as I had planned..

Former11B
7 February 2019, 12:46
I’m testing another LPVO, this time it’s a 1-8 Strike Eagle. Played hooky from work since it was 80 degrees out

I wanted to use the Strike Eagle and factory ammo (CBC/Magtech 77gr OTM) with my Ultramatch barrel to see what someone could do with off the shelf components. My groups opened up a tad at 200 and 300 but it’s definitely capable of putting rounds where you want them.

6253

6254

When I finish the review I’ll post it here for sure. Probably tonight

fledge
23 February 2019, 14:58
Using Former11B’s RL 10x formula with 55gr bob’s bullets.

20*. No wind. 7500’ elev. Brand new ultramatch 20” barrel (thanks to Rainier coupon code). I hope it settles down. Or I’m growing worse as a shooter. :)

https://i.imgur.com/livozu6.jpg

mustangfreek
24 February 2019, 00:15
Ahh...Brand new barrel and new load..

Get some lead down that thing and tweak that recipe some and I’ll bet those groups shrink quite a bit

That and when it warms up it could shoot somewhat different..

fledge
24 February 2019, 06:37
Ahh...Brand new barrel and new load..

Get some lead down that thing and tweak that recipe some and I’ll bet those groups shrink quite a bit

That and when it warms up it could shoot somewhat different..

Roger that. It hated the MEN M193 ammo I used which normally shoots well for me. Never thought when I started reloading that I’d need a summer and winter load.

mustangfreek
24 February 2019, 23:26
Roger that. It hated the MEN M193 ammo I used which normally shoots well for me. Never thought when I started reloading that I’d need a summer and winter load.

I’m not the holy grail to listen to but some powders definitely show you different signs in different temps..more so if your loads are on the edge or over to the book..

BoilerUp
16 March 2019, 12:45
Took the new barrel out last night

100 yards, 10 shots, 20" Rainier Arms Ultramatch Mod2 .223 Wylde, IMI 77gr. The grids are 1" x 1"

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-WRpLjrv/0/f48c1dad/XL/i-WRpLjrv-XL.jpg

I'll let you be the judge on if the flyer represents the barrel or the shooter.

mustangfreek
17 March 2019, 03:45
Nice looking group..

Is that the new barrel

Former11B
17 March 2019, 05:48
Using Former11B’s RL 10x formula with 55gr bob’s bullets.

20*. No wind. 7500’ elev. Brand new ultramatch 20” barrel (thanks to Rainier coupon code). I hope it settles down. Or I’m growing worse as a shooter. :)

https://i.imgur.com/livozu6.jpg


1.35 MOA is awesome for 55gr FMJs!

Use the same amount of RE10x and some 52gr SMKs and the group will probably be less than half that size

BoilerUp
17 March 2019, 07:33
Nice looking group..

Is that the new barrel

Yes, this one: http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?8682-SPR-ish&p=169624#post169624

fledge
17 March 2019, 08:08
1.35 MOA is awesome for 55gr FMJs!

Use the same amount of RE10x and some 52gr SMKs and the group will probably be less than half that size

Will do!! Nice to get some feedback on that.

old11bravo
31 March 2019, 16:59
Well I haven't shot this Ar15 in quite awhile due to my dabbling in the 224 Valkyrie arena. So I took her out to MRC today and realized I had forgot what a damn tack driver she is. The three groups below are all at 100 yards. The first group was with some factory 77gr Magtech rounds and the last two groups were shot with factory IMI 77gr Razor Core. Color me impressed! It's a Mega Monolithic rifle, 16" FN barrel with a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6X mounted. The reticle pretty much covered my point of aim so I could possibly do better with some proper glass.

https://i.ibb.co/GFTqKWf/Z-IMG-0920.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/1qhJ86h/Z-IMG-0923.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/NTMCRBh/Z-IMG-0927-1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/bWFVqKh/Z-IMG-0909.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/QprB2P3/Z-IMG-0926.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/9g7qDS3/Z1-IMG-0915.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/BVBY0ZL/Z2-IMG-0915.jpg

fledge
31 March 2019, 19:18
Very nice. I need to try magtech in my new Rainer barrel. And looks like a beautiful day too. I look forward to not needing snowshoes at the range. Soon.

DISCOM
3 August 2019, 13:34
i know this has not been visited in some time but. . .

6753

BoilerUp
3 August 2019, 13:54
i know this has not been visited in some time but. . .

Wow! Impressive. Pic of the rifle?

DISCOM
3 August 2019, 14:01
can work on that

DISCOM
3 August 2019, 14:35
Wow! Impressive. Pic of the rifle?

6755

alamo5000
3 August 2019, 22:33
i know this has not been visited in some time but. . .

6753

Damn! That's great. What is the specs on your rifle and ammo? I would assume that's some hand loaded home brew. [:D]

DISCOM
4 August 2019, 11:36
Damn! That's great. What is the specs on your rifle and ammo? I would assume that's some hand loaded home brew. [:D]


Craddock Precision spun Bartlein barrel 1/7.7 twist @ 16"
Lantac E-Bcg (Blot is headspaced to barrel)
Geissele SSA-E trigger
Magpul Gen 3 PRS
NTD Lower (Northtech)
URF (Upper Receiver, Forward Controls Design)
BCM-MCMR M-LOK 15" hand guard
Vortex PST Gen2 3-15x44 EBR-2D mrad
Atlas Bipod

The ammo that this group was shot with is what shocks me. This was shot with Hornady Black 75gr BTHP.223 ammo. Needless to say I have purchased 400 more rounds to see if this is repeatable across a few different platforms.

fledge
4 August 2019, 14:45
No doubt the craddock barrel is the answer. Keep us posted on that hornady ammo!

Former11B
4 August 2019, 18:36
Hornady Factory 73gr ELD shot really well for me if you’d rather have a Ballistic Tipped bullet

Molon
25 January 2020, 17:07
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The 10-shot group pictured below was fired off the bench from my Bravo Company 14.5" ELW at a distance of 100 yards using hand-loads topped with the Sierra 52 grain MatchKing. The group has an extreme spread of 0.946".







https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/bcm_elw_10_shot_group_at_100_yards_02-1253428.jpg






https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/bcm_14_5_elw_001_resized_08-1253427.jpg


Barrel Profiles Matter












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mustangfreek
25 January 2020, 20:42
I don’t see shit but little boxes...lol

fledge
25 January 2020, 21:37
Molon, thanks for visiting this thread. I know many around the web have wondered if you still posted your legendary research!

The pics above didn’t come through for me either.

Molon
26 January 2020, 05:08
The pics above didn’t come through for me either.


That's strange because I hosted the pics on this site and they're showing up on my desk-top computer right now. Anyhoo, I rehosted the pics at a different location. Let me know if they're still not showing up.

Former11B
27 January 2020, 18:14
That's strange because I hosted the pics on this site and they're showing up on my desk-top computer right now. Anyhoo, I rehosted the pics at a different location. Let me know if they're still not showing up.

I can’t see them

But I know the 52gr “AeroE” load was a winner for me! (Page 1 shows my last photo of it)

mustangfreek
27 January 2020, 21:58
Still nothing

What are u using to host the pics?

Molon
28 January 2020, 12:47
Still nothing

What are u using to host the pics?

That time I used Google Photos. Let's try this with yet another host site . . .


The 10-shot group pictured below was fired off the bench from my Bravo Company 14.5" ELW at a distance of 100 yards using hand-loads topped with the Sierra 52 grain MatchKing. The group has an extreme spread of 0.946".







https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/bcm_elw_accuracy_at_100_yards_02-1278554.jpg



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/bcm_14_5_elw_001_resized_08-1253427.jpg









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mustangfreek
28 January 2020, 20:40
That’s pretty good with the red dot.

Joelski
29 January 2020, 14:46
That’s pretty good with the red dot.I was gonna say the same thing. At 100 yds isn't it pretty much cover the bull and guess? Just asking, not being critical. I read on here from somebody that 4 moa is chest width at 100 yds.

Molon
30 January 2020, 14:38
That’s pretty good with the red dot.


That group was not fired using a red dot sight. It was fired "off the bench"; meaning, from my bench-rest set-up using a Leupold VAR-X III for sighting.

Molon
30 January 2020, 14:50
At 100 yds isn't it pretty much cover the bull and guess?

No.




I read on here from somebody that 4 moa is chest width at 100 yds.

4 MOA at 100 yards is 4.19 inches.



Precision Shooting With an Aimpoint: Range Report


First and foremost, the Aimpoint red dot sight is a combat sight. Its primary purpose is for use in situations that require “reflexive shooting” at multiple targets, at close ranges. The Aimpoint excels in this type of shooting because it easily allows you to shoot with both eyes open and to focus on the target while shooting. All of my self-defense AR-15s have Aimpoints mounted on them. However, should the need arise (for example, making a head-shot on an aggressor at 100 yards who has most of his body behind hard cover) the Aimpoint sight is certainly up to the task of making precision shots.

There are those who claim that when using an Aimpoint sight with a four minute of angle dot, that it is not possible to shoot groups that are smaller than four minutes of angle in extreme spread. One such person has gone so far as to claim that groups shot from 100 yards using an Aimpoint with a 4 MOA dot will be “greater than 4 inches. Usually much greater.” As we shall soon see, such statements are completely false.

To determine the level of precision obtainable when using an Aimpoint sight with a 4 MOA dot, I mounted an Aimpoint ML2 with a 4 MOA dot on one of my Krieger barreled AR-15s. This AR-15 is easily capable of producing consistent sub-MOA 10-shot groups at 100 yards when using a high magnification scope. Shooting with the Aimpoint sight was done from a bench-rest at a distance of 100 yards using NRA 200 yard High Power type targets that I scaled-down for 100 yards. (The aiming black is approximately the same width as a human head.) Sighting was done using the whole dot centered on the bullseye. Three 10-shot groups were fired in a row for evaluation.




https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/aimpoint_comp_on_rifle_01-1255869.jpg




https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/aimpoint_comp_ml2_4_moa_01-1255868.jpg



Zeroing the Aimpoint sight at 100 yards was conducted during a down-pour with 20-25 mph winds. The first two 10-shot groups were also fired under these conditions. The first 10-shot group had an extreme spread of 1.41”.



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/aimpoint_10_shot_group_at_100_yards_001_-1255864.jpg



With another couple clicks of windage and elevation adjustment, the second 10-shot group had all shots going into the X-ring. The extreme spread for this group was 1.19”.



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/aimpoint_10_shot_group_at_100_yards_02b_-1255865.jpg



Just as quickly as the down-pour had started, the rain stopped, the winds died down and the sun began shining again. I posted a new and dry target on the 100 yard backer and continued shooting. The third 10-shot group had an extreme spread of 1.14”. The average extreme spread for all three of the 10-shot groups was 1.25”.



https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/28568/aimpoint_10_shot_group_at_100_yards_03_l-1255866.jpg



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mustangfreek
1 February 2020, 00:29
Good info as always molon.

fledge
1 February 2020, 06:36
Fantastic shooting. I can’t see a target well enough at 100yds to make groups that tight no matter the size of the dot.

JGifford
2 February 2020, 01:31
What about a 100 round group?
7205

*I did not do this. A friend did.
**Hodge Defense barrel, mk262 ammunition

BoilerUp
13 November 2022, 18:58
Savage 110 Elite Precision, 6mm Creedmoor
108 gr Berger Boat Tail Target, Alpha new brass, 2.260 CBTO (~2.8 COL), 40.6gr of H4350, BR#4

That load gave me about 3,130 fps, temp was 64F. I think I'm about 400 rounds into the barrel and that load has picked up around 100 FPS as the barrel has broken in. I'm going to try backing down the load a bit to get it under 3,000 fps in hopes of extending the barrel life.

Swapped out the model of my Vortex Razor 3-18x50 from EBR-2C (MOA) to EBR-7C (MIL) so if I ever make it to a PRS shoot I won't be "that guy" talking MOA. Christmas tree reticles make zeroing a breeze since you can reed your adjustments directly off the reticle.

3-shot group at 100 yards to confirm zero (sub .5 MOA):
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BxvwnDJ/1/aba58fa0/L/i-BxvwnDJ-L.jpg

10-shot group at 100 yards with MagnetoSpeed to get velocity data, hence POI shift (a little under 1.5 MOA total, or sub 1 MOA if you toss the flier, about .7 on the vertical stringing):
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Rn8zVBp/1/eb780301/L/i-Rn8zVBp-L.jpg

4-shots at 350 yards (2.5 inches, so a little better than 3/4 MOA - I broke my position between shots and I may have put a bit of cant in there) :
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BJGLPbx/1/6ea9ad6a/L/i-BJGLPbx-L.jpg

Nothing super impressive for a competition shooter, but for a factory gun I'm happy with it's accuracy. If I can fix it's ejection issues (it tends to leave the spent case sitting on top of the next round in the mag but facing backwards) then I'll be comfortable taking it to a match.

tact
14 November 2022, 18:58
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.308 168 gr TAP ELD Match

Stone
15 November 2022, 11:34
@ tact- Bolt or AR style rifle? Also, what distance? TIA

tact
16 November 2022, 12:37
Bolt, 100y, 4 of them are with elevated HR under a generous time constraint as part of a qual.

niftiitimp
11 January 2023, 01:13
That’s helpful!! That’s my experience yesterday. At least it was grouping decent. I’ll up the grains and see what’s next. I plan to try RE15 next.

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