Form 1 Questions and Help

[alamo5000]

I just bought another lower that I will SBR for my .300BLK.

My first SBR was done eFile pre-41F. I have a few questions though.

1. I thought about doing this through Silencer Shop but they want $35 bucks and the service is offline apparently so I might just do it myself again and save the money. I have my ID and login and I logged in to make sure it still works.

2. I think (but I am not sure) that Silencer Shop would email me a copy of the finger prints of the people on my trust. If they will can you submit pics and prints electronically now? (If not I would have to haul my dad around to go get prints done which would be more of a headache (and cost) than just paying the $35 bucks. I think our local cops will charge like $10 per set of prints or something like that so at that point it becomes a wash cost and effort wise)

I have been completely underwater lately so I haven't been paying attention to wait times either. From what I gather it's like a month for Form 1. I guess it would be the same if I pay SS to do the bullshit for me or if I do it myself. If I can get the prints emailed to me and just do everything electronic including the pics I might just do it old school.

I should get my new lower in about a week or so I am taking my time getting info. Don't be surprised (if I wind up doing this myself) having you guys walk me through the process again.

Thanks guys for the help.

[rxer311]

I just went through this.

1. You can submit pics electronically now. I just took a picture of myself and my wife with a regular camera against a white wall.

2. They are not accepting prints electronically. You still have to send them finger print cards. When you submit your form there will be a bar code that you print out that corresponds with your application. Make sure you mail that with your prints to WV.

I submitted my form 1 efile on Dec 19 and got it back Feb 6. 3 weeks of that was the government shutdown which they were not processing applications.

I did everything myself, and though I did have lots of questions, the guys here steered me in the right direction. I have a thread open with about the same title that you can search for as well.

[alamo5000]

I just went through this.

1. You can submit pics electronically now. I just took a picture of myself and my wife with a regular camera against a white wall.

2. They are not accepting prints electronically. You still have to send them finger print cards. When you submit your form there will be a bar code that you print out that corresponds with your application. Make sure you mail that with your prints to WV.

I submitted my form 1 efile on Dec 19 and got it back Feb 6. 3 weeks of that was the government shutdown which they were not processing applications.

I did everything myself, and though I did have lots of questions, the guys here steered me in the right direction. I have a thread open with about the same title that you can search for as well.

Thanks man. Maybe UW can merge the threads if they are that similar.

[rxer311]

My thread with some other questions answered.

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?11159-Form-1-Efile-help

[kattman]

You will also have to print out and sign the 5320 for all "responsible persons" on the trust. Then it will need to be scanned as a PDF and attached to the submission along with your pictures. ATF, after the form is submitted, will e-mail you a cover form letter that you will print out and use to send in (mail) the responsible person fingerprint cards. If something is wrong with your submission, they get to you right away with the issue and for the most part will help you resolve it--via e-mail. Also, their "ASK THE EXPERTS" help works pretty quickly. Just did six form 1's to my trust and they all came back within three weeks including the shut down. Good luck.

[mustangfreek]

Can you use other fingerprint cards or only the atf ones?

Have to order them from them or other options?

[gatordev]

Can you use other fingerprint cards or only the atf ones?

Have to order them from them or other options?

They're specifically the FBI (blue) cards, which can be ordered online.

[Airborne_EWO]

Do you need 1 set of prints for each Form 1? Or can you submit 1 set with multiple form 1s?

[alamo5000]

Updated information regarding SS.

I called them and each person on the trust CAN call and get prints on the cards (2 copies) printed out and sent out.

Each set is $15. So in my case, with two people on my trust it would be $30. It would be kind of stupid to go through all that hassle to save $5. I will ask around and see if my memory is correct about getting finger prints done locally to see if it would be any cheaper.

Otherwise they said their Form 1 system should be back up and running ASAP.

[alamo5000]

Another follow up... called the local SO. They will do ink prints at the jail for free provided I get my own cards to take in. Now I just have to figure out how big of a hassle it would be to haul my dad up to get finger printed.

It's about 20 miles each way so I have to weigh the options here.

[mustangfreek]

They're specifically the FBI (blue) cards, which can be ordered online.

Would that be the fd-258 cards I hear mentioned before?

Sorry...nfa newbie..lol..

I do appreciate the info and will have more

[gatordev]

Would that be the fd-258 cards I hear mentioned before?

Sorry...nfa newbie..lol..

I do appreciate the info and will have more

That's it! I couldn't find the form number earlier but once you gave me the right number to look for, I found it. Those are the ones.

[Stone]

Another follow up... called the local SO. They will do ink prints at the jail for free provided I get my own cards to take in. Now I just have to figure out how big of a hassle it would be to haul my dad up to get finger printed.

It's about 20 miles each way so I have to weigh the options here.

Why even screw with all of that? Do you have this in your trust?

2. RESERVATION OF GRANTOR=S RIGHTS TO AMEND OR REVOKE: Grantor hereby
reserves the right to amend, revoke, alter, modify or otherwise change this trust in whole or in part at
any time and from time to time by written instrument signed by the grantor and delivered to the
Trustees. No such change shall increase the duties or liabilities of the Trustees. No such change
shall decrease the compensation of the Trustees. In the event that this Trust is revoked, then the
Trustees shall pay over to, transfer, assign, and convey to the Grantor, or as the Grantor may direct in
the instrument of revocation, all of the then trust property, provided however, that any NFA articles
or Title II firearms may only be transferred, assigned, and conveyed in full compliance with the law.

It should be there. If so just add the form to amend the trust and remove the trustees. Then when its approved add them back on.



Trust Amendment and Notification Form.

Fellow Trustees,

Pursuant to the powers I reserved for myself in Paragraph 2 of [name of trust], I hereby amend the trust as follows:


[Describe changes.]

[Examples include: I hereby add John Doe as a Trustee; or I hereby remove Jane Doe as Beneficiary]


Please keep this written instrument with your copy of the Trust.


_________________________
Signed by Grantor

_________________________
Date

[Stone]

It probably wont hurt to add a notary section to the bottom of the amendment form, but don't think it is necessary if your trust reads that you have the reservation of rights to modify the trust. It really is that simple. People die, get divorced, leave the country, etc,etc.. all the time. So the power to amend is critical to a RLT. Also note that once removed (trustees) while your form is pending, cannot be in sole possession of the NFA items listed on the trust.

https://johnpierceesq.com/reducing-your-trusts-responsible-persons-after-41f/

[mustangfreek]

That's it! I couldn't find the form number earlier but once you gave me the right number to look for, I found it. Those are the ones.

Cool.. So order them strait from them? Or is their other options? And I need to have them done where?

Just trying to get this shit in order for when i do pull the trigger. Thanks for the info.

Sorry for fucking up your thread Alamo..[BD]

[BoilerUp]

Definitely do you research on local options to get prints as every agency is going to have their own policy and there are private places to do prints, too. I found a PD nearby that charges $10 for the first card and $1 for each additional card. Turns out they take the prints digitally and then just print out however many you pay for. If someone wants $10-$15 a card, I suggest you keep calling around.

Mustang, since you aren't too far from me, that is the PD in Renton.

[UWone77]

Mustang, since you aren't too far from me, that is the PD in Renton.

He lives several hours north of there, so probably not worth the gas money... unless he does it all in one trip, along with his venture out to Rainier Arms in a week or two.

[schambers]

looking at this thread reminded me that I need to talk to my dad about this new process, since he is thinking about picking up his first suppressor.

Apologies up frot for a rambling stream of questions to yall.

All my NFA items were purchased before the new application requirements were rolled out so I'm a little in the dark on the best way to advise my dad. Before going over seas and leaving all my stuff with my dad, I added him to my NFA trust. He, my wife and myself (all persons listed on the trust) got photos and fingerprint cards too.

If he wants to purchase something under the trust, am I correct in assuming that he, my wife, and I will need to submit those photographs and finger print cards along with the trust information? If we need to send in the physical finger print cards, do we need to send new copies for each purchase, or is once enough? Is there a certian time frame/ expiration date for the finger print cards? We got them done a little over two years ago at this point.

Does silencershop offer a service where we can basically throw all the paperwork at them and they will take care of the filing and whatnot? My dad lives in the black hills of NC and I would be nice if he didn't have to drive over hill and dale to have paperwork filled out and signed.

[alamo5000]

Does silencershop offer a service where we can basically throw all the paperwork at them and they will take care of the filing and whatnot? My dad lives in the black hills of NC and I would be nice if he didn't have to drive over hill and dale to have paperwork filled out and signed.

Yes. I just got off the phone with SS a couple days ago. Their service for form 1 cost $35 and form four is free. Once you get all the docs into them including prints and a kiosk, just one time per year each person needs to update their picture via mobile app, IE selfie. Passport style is pretty much it.

The service is currently offline and was caught up in the govt shutdown but according to them will be back online very soon. This is by far the easiest choice rather than driving someone 40 miles round trip to go get finger printed.

However if prints are easily obtained or for just one person then do it yourself is cheaper.

[schambers]

good to know. I'll have to reach out to them!

[mustangfreek]

Definitely do you research on local options to get prints as every agency is going to have their own policy and there are private places to do prints, too. I found a PD nearby that charges $10 for the first card and $1 for each additional card. Turns out they take the prints digitally and then just print out however many you pay for. If someone wants $10-$15 a card, I suggest you keep calling around.

Mustang, since you aren't too far from me, that is the PD in Renton.

Thanks for the info boiler.. Ya I’m a little ways from there. Gonna make a few calls this week and see what I find out, want to get my ducks in a row.


He lives several hours north of there, so probably not worth the gas money... unless he does it all in one trip, along with his venture out to Rainier Arms in a week or two.

Ya I don’t get south much..like ever..lol..

Woo woo

[alamo5000]

I got off the phone with silencer shop a little while ago and for whatever reason they are taking their time on form 1s.

I guess I need to just say screw em and try to navigate through it myself. The last time I did it it was before 41F.

I need to get the right kinds of print cards first. Maybe I overlooked it in my haste (and a little bit of frustration).

If get the cards can I do my own prints? I can get one of those little ink pads from the bank and that would save me a lot of hassle.

Cards and ink... once I figure out all this I might just do multiple print cards so I can avoid this later on.

[BoilerUp]

maybe, but I'd just call around your local PDs and government offices until you find someone that will print you for a reasonable fee. My semi-local PD charges $10 for the first card and $1 for each additional card (they print once digitally and then just print out however many you need).

[UWone77]

Cost/benefit IMHO is not there with doing your own prints. Especially since like Boiler said, a lot of PD's can scan and print them.

[alamo5000]

I have been utterly swamped with work etc... and after I got off the phone with SS I swore (literally) that I was going to just buy some cards and get printed one way or another so I can get this bullshit done. Then I get an email... fraud on my credit card. Shit. Now I have to wait another week before I can pay for said cards or pay for a tax stamp.

I am pretty much just frustrated with a lot of shit lately. Not just gun related. Just frustrated.

As far as cost benefit I am totally willing to just give the money to SS and let them deal with it, but they are STILL not in gear on this.

[gatordev]

Cost/benefit IMHO is not there with doing your own prints. Especially since like Boiler said, a lot of PD's can scan and print them.

Independent of the actual act of inking your own prints, I think the cost really fluctuates from place to place. A guy I work with lives a couple of counties over and the PD printed as many as he wanted for free. In my county, they'd probably laugh you out of the building which is why there's a few pop up vendors here. However only one guy will actually print out cards for you. The others seem to just beam the prints up into the State database system for other requirements (LE, medical, etc).

My job has a very good relationship with the SO in the county where I work. I'm going to see if they might be able to help when I go back to work next week. Hopefully they'll have a computer/printer system so I can have them make a couple of spares.

[alamo5000]

I have some fingerprint cards on the way and if they get here in timw probably Monday or Tuesday we will go get printed.

If I have more than one person on my trust will they have to have a log in as well to the ATF site or can I just upload it all?

[UWone77]

I have some fingerprint cards on the way and if they get here in timw probably Monday or Tuesday we will go get printed.

If I have more than one person on my trust will they have to have a log in as well to the ATF site or can I just upload it all?

You don't upload the prints. You have to physically mail them. Once you're done with the online Form 1, they'll give you the form to print and send with the prints. Everyone on your trust will have to mail 2 copies of their prints along with yours.

[alamo5000]

You don't upload the prints. You have to physically mail them. Once you're done with the online Form 1, they'll give you the form to print and send with the prints. Everyone on your trust will have to mail 2 copies of their prints along with yours.

I was referring to uploading all the trust information and any other data on the efile.

After the efile part is done manually mail in prints with the sheet with the Barcode.

I was more or less referring if I can do all the work under my login for say demographics, uploading pics, etc or if there will need another login.

Prints are manually mailed. Yep. Sorry my question wasn't clear.

[alamo5000]

Basically there are two persons on my trust. Other than mailing prints do the other people have to log in separate from me or can I just do it myself?

[BoilerUp]

I pretty sure as the trustee you can upload everything, including the RP questionnaires.

[alamo5000]

I pretty sure as the trustee you can upload everything, including the RP questionnaires.

I hope so. I want to make it as easy as possible for my dad (the other trustee).

I hope you are correct.

[gatordev]

He his correct. You have to manually sign the RP forms and then scan them in digitally. I use my phone and GeniusScan. Once they're scanned, you can just upload each form to each RP you've entered in eFile. You'll also have to upload a picture for each person. No one else needs to log in.

[alamo5000]

He his correct. You have to manually sign the RP forms and then scan them in digitally. I use my phone and GeniusScan. Once they're scanned, you can just upload each form to each RP you've entered in eFile. You'll also have to upload a picture for each person. No one else needs to log in.

This is fantastic news. I don't want to send my dad to the ATF site. That would be a nightmare.

The RP form.... do you know the number or what kind of form that is or where I can get a copy?


FYI I will probably get a bunch of prints done.... like 4 or 5 cards per person. That way when I want to SBR something else I can just submit it.

[BoilerUp]

Your google-fu is weak, grasshopper

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/form/national-firearms-act-nfa-responsible-person-questionnaire-532023

Edit: Also, you usually have to submit a pair of print cards, so if you are getting multiples, get an even number. ;)

[gatordev]

The RP form.... do you know the number or what kind of form that is or where I can get a copy?



Alamo, I know we're here to help, but come on man. Read the directions on the eFile site. It specifically tells you which form (and where to get it) in the beginning on the first page of the Form 1 section (it also has it on the attachment drop down menu, but that's a little harder to see). Yes, the site is horribly designed, but the directions on the first page do actually walk you through most of it.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32881227847_9e37b6ec53_b.jpg

[UWone77]

Alamo, I know we're here to help, but come on man. Read the directions on the eFile site. It specifically tells you which form (and where to get it) in the beginning on the first page of the Form 1 section (it also has it on the attachment drop down menu, but that's a little harder to see). Yes, the site is horribly designed, but the directions on the first page do actually walk you through most of it.



[:D][:D][:D]

Dude you gotta read the directions...

[alamo5000]

In my defense I did look at the eform ATF site, reset my password and all that and tried to look through all the FAQ and whatnot.

The last time I did a form 1 was like 2015 maybe.

Admittedly I didn't see the full instructions and all that so I will take some chiding for not looking enough. :)

Basically though this has been dragging on for a long time. I was just going to let silencer shop do it but they are dropping the ball big time advertising what they can't even do (yet). Who knows when that will be back online.

My schedule and work hours lately (getting home 1am or 2am) leaves me with a clouded mind while I'm trying to get back into the game regarding work etc and deal with stuff while basically working two jobs.

I'm basically just trying to make sure I have my shit together so I don't have to keep putting this off.

Little things like getting two sets of prints each is a big deal and ultimately saves me a world of headache. The form number, knowing I can print, sign and scan is another helpful bit of information.

Even with the fingerprint cards not all of them being sold online are the latest ones and I don't want to give them an excuse to hold me up because of that.

My only experience with efile was a long time ago and a pain in the ass. I had someone give me a ring to help walk me through some parts of it before but now it's different.

[Joelski]

Just admit that you didn't RTFM, then go and RTFM. [:)]

[Stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSRcXRkQGOI

[alamo5000]

Just admit that you didn't RTFM, then go and RTFM. [:)]

I didn't RTFM. LOL. Not all of it at least. Which is almost as good as none of it apparently.

[alamo5000]

I spent a few hours at our local S.O. getting printed. I now have 4 print cards each for the people on my trust. It would have been a lot nicer just going to the DMV but then again it is a jail after all. I don't know how you guys that are LEOs can stand that kind of environment and the sheer amount of stupidity coming through the doors everyday.

All the info on the cards is not filled out yet and I still need to fill out the responsible person's form and all that jive.

I want to get everything all filled out (correctly) before I do the e-file part of it.

You have my permission to flame away but I don't want to F this up, especially the parts of the finger print cards that I need to fill out... the last thing I want is getting some rejection letter.

In any case it's progress. I will be working on it over the next few days before or after work...

[UWone77]

If you fuck something up... You usually get an email asking for additional information, clarification, or pictures. The nice thing about efile is you can immediately log in, fix it, and the submission keeps going forward.

Don't overthink.... heh, what am I saying, that's like saying don't be you.

[alamo5000]

If you fuck something up... You usually get an email asking for additional information, clarification, or pictures. The nice thing about efile is you can immediately log in, fix it, and the submission keeps going forward.

Don't overthink.... heh, what am I saying, that's like saying don't be you.

Right now I just have a headache. I got some red light camera ticket for doing a right turn on red in some little one horse town that is trying to extort money from people... had to haul one of my parents to the ER the other night nearly unconscious and a few other things.

Not feeling like a lot of bullshit to be honest. WEVO is one of my escape areas even if you guys do give me shit from time to time. [BD]

That said I have basically been waiting on Silencer Shop to get their shit together for ages but I am going it alone because I am tired of waiting.

I would have gladly paid Silencer Shop to prepare things for me rather than wait around a jail for two hours waiting to be printed.

[alamo5000]

If you fuck something up... You usually get an email asking for additional information, clarification, or pictures. The nice thing about efile is you can immediately log in, fix it, and the submission keeps going forward.

Do finger print cards have an expiration date? Like meaning if I got printed today and then a year from now wanted to SBR something else would they still take them? The prints are obviously good but is there some obscure rule that says prints have to be done within a certain time frame or whatever? I asked the lady who printed us to leave the date off but she just dated the cards anyway after saying she wouldn't.

Other than that what is an OCA, Universal Control Number, ORI, etc? Do I just leave those blank?

Also for employer address it's right under the person who took the prints, so is that their employer name and address or mine? For residence is that just the state or the county?

Do I need to put a reason for being finger printed?

I was just going to put N/A on all the parts that don't apply like aliases or whatever...

[UWone77]

Not trashing Silencer Shop, but honestly, not sure if their methods offer anything more than just filling out Form 1's yourself, or having your dealer fill out Form 4's.

They obviously offer good prices on suppressors, but I find most dealers can match or come close.

[alamo5000]

Not trashing Silencer Shop, but honestly, not sure if their methods offer anything more than just filling out Form 1's yourself, or having your dealer fill out Form 4's.

They obviously offer good prices on suppressors, but I find most dealers can match or come close.

I was just going to use them for the purpose so that I wouldn't have to go sit in the county jail for two hours waiting to get finger printed.

They are normally easy to use but the Form 1 stuff is not online and they keep on pushing the time back. I am just tired of waiting so I am going to log in to the ATF and upload all the stuff when I don't have a migraine.

We had several shops around where I live but one is in the process of closing down (at least for NFA items) and the other I won't do business with... I haven't found a good go-to place that will do my stuff for me. Now the closest place around me is about half an hour away and they have a Silencer Shop Kiosk...

I've never had that many problems with Silencer Shop (except one that was due to a specific employee) but their Form 1 stuff has been a disaster.

[BoilerUp]

OK, Alamo, I'm on the e-file site doing another Form 1, so your timing is good. Most of the challenges are getting the documents ready. Your trust as to be in a file size smaller than 3MB per file (I think) which means I had to break my trust up into 3 or 4 files. And then I had to fuss with getting a signature on the RPQ. Basically, it's a lot easier with a paid version of Adobe Acrobat.

Regarding the cards, the PD that printed me filled everything out. I just had to sign them. My Employer box is empty. My "Reason" box simply states "PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION". The boxes in the top middle are all blank. Basically, the only boxes filled in are my PII (name, sex, race hgt, wgt, yets, hair, DOB, POB, signature and residence). I think I did ~12 cards when I did them and I'm down to 4 now. Nothing on my cards will change or expire until/unless I move.

[alamo5000]

OK, Alamo, I'm on the e-file site doing another Form 1, so your timing is good. Most of the challenges are getting the documents ready. Your trust as to be in a file size smaller than 3MB per file (I think) which means I had to break my trust up into 3 or 4 files. And then I had to fuss with getting a signature on the RPQ. Basically, it's a lot easier with a paid version of Adobe Acrobat.

Regarding the cards, the PD that printed me filled everything out. I just had to sign them. My Employer box is empty. My "Reason" box simply states "PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION". The boxes in the top middle are all blank. Basically, the only boxes filled in are my PII (name, sex, race hgt, wgt, yets, hair, DOB, POB, signature and residence). I think I did ~12 cards when I did them and I'm down to 4 now. Nothing on my cards will change or expire until/unless I move.

Thanks man!

I will advise if I need anything guidance wise. I uploaded my trust file once and I think I still have a copy of that on a separate hard drive so I am hoping all that is GTG. I just have to fill out the info on the finger print cards, fill out the RP pages and get signatures and scan. After that I should be GTG I hope.

I've been waiting for months already so another few days to do this when my head is clear won't hurt.


OH, on the FP cards, what did you put for residence? City and State? County?

[BoilerUp]

Thanks man!

I will advise if I need anything guidance wise. I uploaded my trust file once and I think I still have a copy of that on a separate hard drive so I am hoping all that is GTG. I just have to fill out the info on the finger print cards, fill out the RP pages and get signatures and scan. After that I should be GTG I hope.

I've been waiting for months already so another few days to do this when my head is clear won't hurt.


OH, on the FP cards, what did you put for residence? City and State? County?

I used my mailing address.

And I'll be darned but they took the eform site down for maintenance while I was working on mine!

[gatordev]

I heard a rumor yesterday that eForm 4s were supposed to be coming online by the end of 2019. If so, I might need to save up for another can...

[BoilerUp]

I heard a rumor yesterday that eForm 4s were supposed to be coming online by the end of 2019. If so, I might need to save up for another can...

That would be awesome.

Just managed to successfully submit my second e-File Form 1. The third one should go much faster.

[fledge]

Just to make it more interesting regarding FPs, I bought fingerprint cards online and an ink pad and did them myself. :). My fellow trustee and I had a fingerprint party. Thanks to Obama, that’s a thing now.

Also, if your local PD is set up for it, they can do your prints electronically and then print them on request should you need more.

[alamo5000]

Just to make it more interesting regarding FPs, I bought fingerprint cards online and an ink pad and did them myself. :). My fellow trustee and I had a fingerprint party. Thanks to Obama, that’s a thing now.

Also, if your local PD is set up for it, they can do your prints electronically and then print them on request should you need more.

I asked earlier if we could do this and the answer was 'dunno'. If I would have known that I would have gone that route. It sure would have beaten sitting in the county jail for two hours.

[Joelski]

Every American citizen should have to do 8 hours of front desk time just to witness what all public safety professionals are subjected to for 40+ hours every week. It would change the respect issue in a hurry.

[alamo5000]

On the RP form do I need to fill out all the CLEO stuff as well? I thought CLEO signatures were done away with.

[gatordev]

On the RP form do I need to fill out all the CLEO stuff as well? I thought CLEO signatures were done away with.

Yes, fill it out. When you print it, you will get two sets of RP forms. one is for the ATF, the other will be sanitized and you send that to the CLEO. No signature is required. The CLEO just has to be notified. I'm still not clear on how the ATF would even know if you sent the CLEO form, since the CLEO is not obligated to keep the form.

One other thing to look for...maybe it's just my computer, but when I print the RP forms, the first form has all the check boxes checked, but the CLEO form will have blank check boxes. All the text in the other fields will be there, but I have to manually go through with a pen to mark the check boxes. I think the signature date doesn't carry over, either.

[alamo5000]

Yes, fill it out. When you print it, you will get two sets of RP forms. one is for the ATF, the other will be sanitized and you send that to the CLEO. No signature is required. The CLEO just has to be notified. I'm still not clear on how the ATF would even know if you sent the CLEO form, since the CLEO is not obligated to keep the form.

One other thing to look for...maybe it's just my computer, but when I print the RP forms, the first form has all the check boxes checked, but the CLEO form will have blank check boxes. All the text in the other fields will be there, but I have to manually go through with a pen to mark the check boxes. I think the signature date doesn't carry over, either.

Thank you.

I will follow on if or when I run into further specific questions.

So that second set I do not need to scan that in and send it with the submission, just the "ATF copy" needs to be turned into a PDF. Roger that.

Regarding the forms that's one reason that prompted the question... the forms were printed BEFORE 41F...and it won't let me check the boxes on the PDF file like it does up top.

[gatordev]

Regarding the forms that's one reason that prompted the question... the forms were printed BEFORE 41F...and it won't let me check the boxes on the PDF file like it does up top.

I'm not sure what you mean there. The current RP form is something that came about after 41F. The one I have sitting here is dated May 2016 (ATF 5320.23).

[BoilerUp]

Thank you.

I will follow on if or when I run into further specific questions.

So that second set I do not need to scan that in and send it with the submission, just the "ATF copy" needs to be turned into a PDF. Roger that.

Regarding the forms that's one reason that prompted the question... the forms were printed BEFORE 41F...and it won't let me check the boxes on the PDF file like it does up top.

My RP questionaire is ATF E-Form 5320.23, Revised May 2016. All the information I enter on the ATF Copy (text and check boxes on pages 1-2) is automatically copied over to CLEO Copy (pages 3-4). I used Acrobat Pro to insert a signature image on pages 2 and 4 and upload the entire form.

Edit: Interesting...when I download the form again from the ATF website, I get the same issue you guys are mentioning (the check boxes on page 4 don't autofill)

[alamo5000]

I'm not sure what you mean there. The current RP form is something that came about after 41F. The one I have sitting here is dated May 2016 (ATF 5320.23).

"On January 4, 2016, the Attorney General signed ATF Final Rule 41F, Machineguns, Destructive Devices and Certain Other Firearms; Background Checks for Responsible Persons of a Trust or Legal Entity With Respect To Making or Transferring a Firearm, amending the regulations regarding the making or transferring of a firearm under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The goal of the final rule is to ensure that the identification and background check requirements apply equally to individuals, trusts, and legal entities who apply to make or receive NFA firearms. Final Rule 41F became effective on July 13, 2016."

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/final-rule-41f-background-checks-responsible-persons-effective-july-13

What I was trying to get at was that I would think they would have forms that reflect no longer needing a CLEO signature since this was such a major change.

I am using the same form date.

When I scan them back in after signing to upload into efile I will only send in the ATF copy online. Hopefully there is no issue there. If so let me know, if not carry on :)

[BoilerUp]

What I was trying to get at was that I would think they would have forms that reflect no longer needing a CLEO signature since this was such a major change.

You are off your game, Alamo. The form does reflect the change. No CLEO signature is required. It's just a notification. On the bottom of page 3, in the "Information for the Chief Law Enforcement Officer" section, it states "No action on your part is required."

[alamo5000]

Thank you to everyone that helped me get this done. It's only about 5 months behind schedule but finally done.