WA states onslaught of new 2A infringing laws

[mustangfreek]

Like. Everyone it seems, Wa state is pushing so many new laws , so fast. We are being stripped of our rights.
Enhanced this, improved that...So stupid, now waiting periods on top of having a cpl will do no good, well in the sense that everyone will have to wait a min. 10 day wait, while the state handles things.. with this major load being dumped on the state.. I’m sure it will only get worse.

Snippet from a known good guy FFL.


Just got this email from ATF.....

"From: NICSLiaison
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 8:39 PM
Subject: Important Change to Processing NICS Background Check-Effective 6-1-2019

To Washington Federal Firearms Licensees (FFL)

The purpose of this communication is to provide information to Washington FFLs regarding the correct entity to contact when processing firearm transfers within the state of Washington.
Effective July 1, 2019, all Washington FFLs will contact their local law enforcement agency for ALL handgun transfers. This will include handgun transfers to individuals with a valid Washington Concealed Pistol License (CPL) and “Other” background checks. “Other” includes frames and receivers, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives provided guidance that “Other” shall not be transferred across state lines to persons under the age of 21. As such, “Other” must be processed similar to handguns for the purpose of a Brady-mandated background check. The following is a list of transaction types, which will be processed by Washington local law enforcement agencies:

Sale of a Handgun
Rental of a Handgun
Sale of Other (Frame, Receiver, etc.)
Private Sale of Handgun
Pre-Pawn of a Handgun
Private Sale of Other (Frame, Receiver, etc.)
Pre-Pawn of Other (Frame, Receiver, etc.)
Private Sale Returned to Seller Handgun
Redemption of Handgun
Private Sale Returned to Seller Other (Frame, Receiver, etc.)
Redemption of Other (Frame, Receiver, etc.)


Effective July 1, 2019, Washington FFLs will continue to contact the FBI Criminal Justice Information Services Division’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Section for long gun transfers as historically directed, but will no longer use the NICS E-Check or NICS Call Centers to initiate/process handgun-related transactions.

The FFLs must continue to conduct a background check prior to the transfer of firearms to ensure eligibility of individuals according to state and federal laws. This communication is merely providing information to the FFLs in Washington to ensure the correct entity is contacted when initiating a firearm background check.


No more nics checks for handguns etc, only long guns it seems..So much more..[crazy][crazy][wow][bash]:(:rolleyes:

Discuss

[BoilerUp]

I was wondering how they'd treat "Other", now I know. I think I'll go ahead and order my Kidd 10/22 receiver before it becomes classified as an assault rifle.

[UWone77]

Glad I didn't waste my $65 for a CPL now.

Everyone's going to have to go through the waiting period for a handgun.

[mustangfreek]

I was wondering how they'd treat "Other", now I know. I think I'll go ahead and order my Kidd 10/22 receiver before it becomes classified as an assault rifle.

Ya, so many say there buying now, just so they don’t have to jump thru hoops...

Me sad, as I’m gonna be stuck without much of anything , then this passes. It will unfortunately lead to more and more..

I’ve about had it with this state

[FortTom]

Thank God I live in KY. First of all, if they tried to pull that shit here every politician in the commonwealth who supported that crap would be put on notice to pack up and run. Think I'm kidding? Let 'em try it. KY is also in a building boom. New factories, distribution centers etc, riding high on the economy. Northern and costal liberals come in for the jobs, then try to pas off their liberal bullshit here. They usually learn to keep their freakin' mouths shut real quick, or move away.

From all of you WA guy's, I feel for you. My head would literally explode, if I lived out there.

FT[bash]

[FortTom]

Glad I didn't waste my $65 for a CPL now.

Everyone's going to have to go through the waiting period for a handgun.

You're a cop? and you have to have a concealed carry permit for off duty carry? Please tell me I'm wrong.

FT

[UWone77]

You're a cop? and you have to have a concealed carry permit for off duty carry? Please tell me I'm wrong.

FT

In WA you could only take your pistol home the same day of purchase with a CPL. Otherwise you'd have to wait anywhere from 7-14 days.

I didn't feel like paying for something I already have the ability to do. Funny though, The Federal Government says I can carry in all 50 states, the State says I have to wait to pick up a pistol unless I have a CPL.

[mustangfreek]

A local forum , where FFL sand such are chatting..Some fine points

-Up to 10 day waiting period to purchase pistols. CPL will no longer allow you to purchase a pistol same-day. The background check will be run by the state, and it will take however long it takes. If after 10 days it's not complete, you can still receive your pistol.

-Need to be 21 to purchase semi-automatic rifle. Just like buying beer, now you have to be 21 to purchase a semi-auto rifle.

-Training class required to purchase a semi-automatic rifle. If you don't have the training class, you can't buy a semi-auto rifle. You have to take it again every 5 years.

-10 day waiting period to purchase semi-auto rifles. Once you have the training class, you'll still have a mandatory 10 day delay. The background check will be run by the state, and it will take however long it takes.

[FortTom]

A local forum , where FFL sand such are chatting..Some fine points

-Up to 10 day waiting period to purchase pistols. CPL will no longer allow you to purchase a pistol same-day. The background check will be run by the state, and it will take however long it takes. If after 10 days it's not complete, you can still receive your pistol.

-Need to be 21 to purchase semi-automatic rifle. Just like buying beer, now you have to be 21 to purchase a semi-auto rifle.

-Training class required to purchase a semi-automatic rifle. If you don't have the training class, you can't buy a semi-auto rifle. You have to take it again every 5 years.

-10 day waiting period to purchase semi-auto rifles. Once you have the training class, you'll still have a mandatory 10 day delay. The background check will be run by the state, and it will take however long it takes.

Now how in the heck do they expect gang bangers, drug smugglers, felons, and all other members of the criminal element going to get their guns? Making them (drug smugglers...etc.) pay every five years is just paying for a constitutional right. Man, them lawmakers up there in WA dropped the ball there, only requiring law abiding citizens to go through that load of crap. Next thing you know they'll let 18 year old kids to go to war, fire full automatic weapons and get killed. Just as long as they don't let them have a beer, it's alright, I guess.

Disclaimer: Of course this is an obvious exercise in sarcasm. WA people need to band together and revolt against that tyranny instead of bending over. Your Sheriffs should band together like they have in several states and refuse to arrest people for breaking those laws. (They want and need your votes too...) or help them find work in another field.

FT

[mustangfreek]

Just to note. Some say it’s because the new laws going into affect soon. A lot, no traceable, manufactured guns, IE- 80% lowers and all that.

Optics planet is no longer shipping to WA, OR, CA, and Nevada.

Humm..I’ve never ordered from them, but if this the starting, this is really gonna suck as more and more will join in...

Phuckers

[Sak007]

Now how in the heck do they expect gang bangers, drug smugglers, felons, and all other members of the criminal element going to get their guns?
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By doing this at one of our local shops
https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/crime/freds-guns-burgled-overnight/

[FortTom]

6498
By doing this at one of our local shops
https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/crime/freds-guns-burgled-overnight/
I've seen almost the same thing once, a gun store in S. KY that had aluminum siding, Perp just peeled the siding back, knocked a small hole in the "tar board"? underneath and helped himself to about 1OK's worth.

Funny, he got wasted, and told me. He just couldn't help himself, he's a dumb ass and a big mouth. Next funny thing was that he was my second cousin. I turned him in and he got 5 years. Had a lengthy criminal record so he really got off easy, He could have got a lot of years just for being a felon in possession of a firearm. Turns out he ratted out a lot of people, mostly on dope and other crimes. I think he only up doing 2 or 3. He's a scumbag, and I would be embarrassed for anyone to know I was related to him. He actually told the detectives that he did it to buy dope with for re-sale. Call me a snitch if you want, but I think I did the right thing. The point is you can't stop a criminal from getting a firearm(s) if you put a million new laws in place.

In UW's particular case, I think cops in KY are entitled to carry concealed just by the fact that they have a badge and ID. Doesn't matter anymore though. KY's new constitutional carry law goes into effect on 1 JUL 2019. We already had open carry.

FT;)

[Sak007]

I pretty sure nobody in their right mind would call you a snitch for doing what you did , the sad part of that story is if any law abiding citizen had gotten himself in any issues involving gun laws would there have no such slap on the wrist and an example would be made .

[mustangfreek]

Ya and then boerners gunshop got hit the other day, 98 guns were taken, said the news I was just watching..

In the same area of the state, seems to be the same people you would think

Phuckers

[BoilerUp]

Semi-auto shotguns aren't affected, are they? No need for me to rush out and buy a Benalli is there?

[Sak007]

Ya and then boerners gunshop got hit the other day, 98 guns were taken, said the news I was just watching..

In the same area of the state, seems to be the same people you would think

Phuckers
Thats at least the 4th time that Boerners has been robbed that I recall .
They just arrested a 20 year old felon yesterday for selling some of the guns from the Fred's break in after some tips from other junkies who all tell on each other in a continual cycle resulting in all of them never going to jail and nothing getting fixed .
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/news/atf-cites-link-to-freds-gun-theft/

[Sak007]

Semi-auto shotguns aren't affected, are they? No need for me to rush out and buy a Benalli is there?

The problem is they passed an incomplete bill with very few definitive answers similar to obamacare , just pass the bill and we will figure it out later

[FortTom]

T
They just arrested a 20 year old felon yesterday for selling some of the guns from the Fred's break in after some tips from other junkies who all tell on each other in a continual cycle resulting in all of them never going to jail and nothing getting fixed .
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/news/atf-cites-link-to-freds-gun-theft/

Unfortunately that's how my "cousin" got off so easy. He had several multiple felonies, but he rats them out for a deal. Then they send him off to a country club prison where the chances of someone stomping his ass through the concrete floors, that he so richly deserves, he plays cards and board games all day, with other rats. That, and it's a small town where the cops like to look like they could grab their asses with both hands, instead of surviving on DUI's and minor offenses. :mad:

FT

[Sak007]

Unfortunately that's how my "cousin" got off so easy. He had several multiple felonies, but he rats them out for a deal. Then they send him off to a country club prison where the chances of someone stomping his ass through the concrete floors, that he so richly deserves, he plays cards and board games all day, with other rats. That, and it's a small town where the cops like to look like they could grab their asses with both hands, instead of surviving on DUI's and minor offenses. :mad:

FT

We have a very similar problems in my town , unfortunately we are understaffed for the amount of crime we have and the higher ups have pretty much handicapped the police from doing anything that reduces the huge increase in crime related to the junkies/homeless because the city receives money from King County to take in their trash to put them into rehab which they somehow mysteriously never make it to and are instead set loose to steal everything not nailed down .
If they actually do get arrested they don't stay so for long because the courts feel bad about their lack of hugs & their "disease" and kick them loose .
Now blow a .09 and you will receive the full weight of the law & all the fines associated . I'm convinced that when you get your plates run its to check if your employed and can pay fines .

[BoilerUp]

OK, so I was just reading I-1639 to better understand what is going into effect on July 1. In particular, I had read about a new registry and wanted to see if that was indeed "new" or just meaning that semi-auto rifles would be in the de-facto registry of handguns. I believe this is the relevant text:


NEW SECTION. Sec. 15. A new section is added to chapter 9.41
RCW to read as follows:
(1) Within twelve months of the effective date of this section,
the department of licensing shall, in conjunction with the
Washington state patrol and other state and local law enforcement
agencies as necessary, develop a cost-effective and efficient
process to:
(a) Verify, on an annual or more frequent basis, that persons
who acquired pistols or semiautomatic assault rifles pursuant to
this chapter remain eligible to possess a firearm under state and
federal law; and
(b) If such persons are determined to be ineligible for any
reason, (i) notify and provide the relevant information to the chief
of police or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser
resides and (ii) take steps to ensure such persons are not illegally
in possession of firearms.

The way I read this is that the DOL has the mandate to perform an annual review of known handgun and semi-auto rifle owners to verify their continued eligibility. Of course, the only way this can be accomplished is through a database/registry. So, any purchase after July 1 goes into this new registry forever.

I think WA gun owners already recognize that local LEO know if you own a handgun based on the existing system, so this just adds semi-autos. However, this registry seems more "official" and even mandated. Is this a big change, or a little change? I'm not really eager to get on a new registry, but I'm already in the NFA game.

[BoilerUp]

The problem is they passed an incomplete bill with very few definitive answers similar to obamacare , just pass the bill and we will figure it out later

After reading the initiative, there is no apparent change in law that affects shotguns.

[mustangfreek]

There’s so much going on it’s literally hard to keep up with it...

Sad..

[mustangfreek]

We are getting bombed with proposals...hope everyone is sending emails, blowing up the phones..We need to beat these.
Mag bans
Semi auto
Ammo background checks, no more mail ordered ammo, reloading stuff

And so much more.... fuck these new laws.. they don’t do shit for crime nails and only hurt us..I want my kids to enjoy their freedom damnit

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Why email only your rep when you can email them all. Cut and paste them into your mail to box. My email auto detects spam mailings so when I do this I do them ten addresses at a time then switch emails accounts. Takes me a day or two to avoid the AI response.



House members or elected reps below.

Sherry.Appleton@leg.wa.gov, Andrew.Barkis@leg.wa.gov, Steve.Bergquist@leg.wa.gov, Brian.Blake@leg.wa.gov, Matt.Boehnke@leg.wa.gov, Michelle.Caldier@leg.wa.gov, Lisa.Callan@leg.wa.gov, Kelly.Chambers@leg.wa.gov, Bruce.Chandler@leg.wa.gov, Mike.Chapman@leg.wa.gov, Frank.Chopp@leg.wa.gov, Eileen.Cody@leg.wa.gov, Chris.Corry@leg.wa.gov, Lauren.Davis@leg.wa.gov, Richard.DeBolt@leg.wa.gov, Tom.Dent@leg.wa.gov, Beth.Doglio@leg.wa.gov, Laurie.Dolan@leg.wa.gov, Jeremie.Dufault@leg.wa.gov, Mary.Dye@leg.wa.gov, Debra.Entenman@leg.wa.gov, Carolyn.Eslick@leg.wa.gov, Jake.Fey@leg.wa.gov, Joe.Fitzgibbon@leg.wa.gov, Noel.Frame@leg.wa.gov, Chris.Gildon@leg.wa.gov, Keith.Goehner@leg.wa.gov, Roger.Goodman@leg.wa.gov, Jenny.Graham@leg.wa.gov, Mia.Gregerson@leg.wa.gov, Dan.Griffey@leg.wa.gov, Drew.Hansen@leg.wa.gov, Paul.Harris@leg.wa.gov, Larry.Hoff@leg.wa.gov, Zack.Hudgins@leg.wa.gov, Bill.Jenkin@leg.wa.gov, Laurie.Jinkins@leg.wa.gov, Christine.Kilduff@leg.wa.gov, Steve.Kirby@leg.wa.gov, Brad.Klippert@leg.wa.gov, Shelley.Kloba@leg.wa.gov, Vicki.Kraft@leg.wa.gov, Joel.Kretz@leg.wa.gov, Mari.Leavitt@leg.wa.gov, Debra.Lekanoff@leg.wa.gov,
Ed.Orcutt@leg.wa.gov, Timm.Ormsby@leg.wa.gov, John.Lovick@leg.wa.gov, Drew.MacEwen@leg.wa.gov, Nicole.Macri@leg.wa.gov, Jacquelin.Maycumber@leg.wa.gov, Bob.McCaslin@leg.wa.gov, Jared.Mead@leg.wa.gov, Melanie.Morgan@leg.wa.gov, amanda.hubik@leg.wa.gov, Gina.Mosbrucker@leg.wa.gov, Tina.Orwall@leg.wa.gov, Dave.Paul@leg.wa.gov, Mike.Pellicciotti@leg.wa.gov, Strom.Peterson@leg.wa.gov, Eric.Pettigrew@leg.wa.gov, Gerry.Pollet@leg.wa.gov, Bill.Ramos@leg.wa.gov, Kristine.Reeves@leg.wa.gov, Marcus.Riccelli@leg.wa.gov, June.Robinson@leg.wa.gov,, Cindy.Ryu@leg.wa.gov, Skyler.Rude@leg.wa.gov, SharonTomiko.Santos@leg.wa.gov, Joe.Schmick@leg.wa.gov, Mike.Sells@leg.wa.gov, Tana.Senn@leg.wa.gov, Matt.Shea@leg.wa.gov, Sharon.Shewmake@leg.wa.gov, Vandana.Slatter@leg.wa.gov, Norma.Smith@leg.wa.gov, Larry.Springer@leg.wa.gov, mike.steele@leg.wa.gov, Drew.Stokesbary@leg.wa.gov, Monica.Stonier@leg.wa.gov, Pat.Sullivan@leg.wa.gov, Robert.Sutherland@leg.wa.gov, Gael.Tarleton@leg.wa.gov, My-Linh.Thai@leg.wa.gov, Steve.Tharinger@leg.wa.gov, Javier.Valdez@leg.wa.gov, Luanne.VanWerven@leg.wa.gov, Brandon.Vick@leg.wa.gov, Mike.Volz@leg.wa.gov, Amy.Walen@leg.wa.gov, Jim.Walsh@leg.wa.gov


list of senators.



Randi.Becker@leg.wa.gov, Andy.Billig@leg.wa.gov , John.Braun@leg.wa.gov , Sharon.Brown@leg.wa.gov , Reuven.Carlyle@leg.wa.gov, Annette.Cleveland@leg.wa.gov, Steve.Conway@leg.wa.gov , J.Darneille@leg.wa.gov, mona.das@leg.wa.gov, Manka.Dhingra@leg.wa.gov, Doug.Ericksen@leg.wa.gov, phil.fortunato@leg.wa.gov, David.Frockt@leg.wa.gov , Bob.Hasegawa@leg.wa.gov, Brad.Hawkins@leg.wa.gov, Steve.Hobbs@leg.wa.gov, Jeff.Holy@leg.wa.gov, Jim.Honeyford@leg.wa.gov, Sam.Hunt@leg.wa.gov, Karen.Keiser@leg.wa.gov, Curtis.King@leg.wa.gov, Patty.Kuderer@leg.wa.gov, Marko.Liias@leg.wa.gov, Liz.Lovelett@leg.wa.gov, John.McCoy@leg.wa.gov, Mark.Mullet@leg.wa.gov, Ron.Muzzall@leg.wa.gov, Joe.Nguyen@leg.wa.gov, Steve.OBan@leg.wa.gov, Mike.Padden@leg.wa.gov, Jamie.Pedersen@leg.wa.gov, Emily.Randall@leg.wa.gov, Ann.Rivers@leg.wa.gov, Christine.Rolfes@leg.wa.gov, Rebecca.Saldana@leg.wa.gov, Jesse.Salomon@leg.wa.gov, Mark.Schoesler@leg.wa.gov, Timothy.Sheldon@leg.wa.gov, Shelly.Short@leg.wa.gov, Derek.Stanford@leg.wa.gov, Dean.Takko@leg.wa.gov, Kevin.VanDeWege@leg.wa.gov, Keith.Wagoner@leg.wa.gov, Maureen.Walsh@leg.wa.gov, Judith.Warnick@leg.wa.gov, Lisa.Wellman@leg.wa.gov, Claire.Wilson@leg.wa.gov, Lynda.Wilson@leg.wa.gov, Hans.Zeiger@leg.wa.gov, Lillian.Ortiz-Self@leg.wa.gov

[mustangfreek]

Below are the links to go directly to the 'Comment on this bill' for each:

Oppose:

HB1346 - Lead exposure to young people: https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/1346

HB1374 - Local Gov't Authority to Regulate (overturn Preemption): https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/1374

HB2467 - Background Check for transfers: https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2467

HB2519 - Preventing Dangerous persons from acquiring ammo: https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2467

HB2555 - BGC for 'other' firearms - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2555

HB1068 - 'High' Capacity Magazines restrictions - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/1068

SB5062 - " " - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/5062

SB5174 - CPL Required Training - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/5174

SB6294 - " " - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6294

HB1530 - Gun Free Zones - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/1530

SB5434 - " " - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/5434

HB2241 - 'Assault weapons,' magazines, REGISTRATION - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2241

SB6076 - " " - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6076

HB2240 - 'High' Capacity Magazine restrictions - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/2240

SB6077 - " " - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6077

SB6288 - Creating office of firearms violence prevention: https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6288

Support:

SB6043 - Self Defense Insurance - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6043

SB6406 - Increase firearm theft penalties - https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6406

SB6402 - Use of a stolen firearm- https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/6402

Spread.The.Word. Share. Git 'er done.

[mustangfreek]

Well crap...magazine limit/ban and a few others passed committee today..one step closer

[Eric]

Despite their BS spin, these bills are clearly anti-gun and unfortunately, they are gaining momentum in WA. Email, make phone calls, tell a friend!