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Lex Talionis
28 April 2009, 09:03
I am sure some of you have seen the elusive magpul BAD (battery assist device) on other forums that allows for the right hand trigger finger to actuate the bolt release lickity-split. So, I have watched/seen rumors of this EBR device for literally 1 year now. Anyone here ever get to try/use one of the rumored few to exist? Anyone have any details on any release info - or is it just going to go down as unobtanium. Seems like a piece that needs discussing here...

video 1 of it in use, watch really close (http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/simplydynamic/?action=view&current=BAD_LEVER.flv)

video 2 of slow mo in use (watch close) (http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm118/magpuldynamics08/?action=view&current=BADmp1.flv)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1141/img2089largejv6.jpg

rob_s
28 April 2009, 09:25
you mean this thing?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/6933-03.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BIB-SDIBFG.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BIB-SDI-Starboard.jpg

Lex Talionis
28 April 2009, 10:17
yep, thats the thing I mean.. lucky you.. how did you come by it? do you know people who have people.

nanook331
28 April 2009, 19:45
Yeah I so want one of these if you findout anything let me know. Last I heard Mapul was showing them at the 09 shot show and they are in there DVD. It looks to be pretty functional especially if you are going to run a redi-mag.

CAPT KIRK
28 April 2009, 20:06
Ditto on the "want one"

I am runnning a Redi Mag with BCE, which works great, but with a little practice the "B.A.D." looks to be awsome.

Stickman
28 April 2009, 21:20
I don't believe the current model has been released outside of Magpul, though the concept is obviously similar to the earlier versions Travis has developed.

Its as shame Magpul doesn't give release dates any more on new products. I can say that there are a few Staff members who are very eager to get their hands on them, and who will be doing reviews.

Lex Talionis
28 April 2009, 22:44
Yeah, I read that Travis created it OUTSIDE of Magpul, bought it to Magpul and it has been toyed with, even insinuated that an actual version is coming and will be worth the wait.... but nothing yet. I know it was/is his project and I know, see above, a few people have/had them and also know because of the fervor that gets kicked up when they mention new products, they have clammed up. But heck, a year later and nada? But, seeing as there has been 6-9 month waits for their mags at times, that must be where all the effort is going.

Not like it is that hard of a piece to develop frankly. He has mentioned he has done extensive R&D already - so you wonder what the delay is. In the meantime, a few guys with some CNC ability have created their own that are pretty impressive and 1 cat is even selling his version over at CalGuns... but I want to hold out and see IF and what Magpul pulls out... tick tock tick tock

Ryo
1 May 2009, 10:22
I made my own and it works great.. I plan to make a few more for all my lowers. I still plan to buy the Magpul version in support of their great products, and it'll be proven to function in all conditions while mine is proven range reliable.

Since mine is my own version, I can't say much about Magpul's.. but if it's anything like the one I have.. it's well worth buying. It's another one of those ideas that looks so simple, but makes a world of difference. When I had a issue with my rifle during a shoot.. it save me thought time and action time to clear my rifle jam. Simply remarkable.

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn14/Ryo_Ohki2/IMG_2293copycopy.jpg

TigerStripe
4 May 2009, 00:31
I have a copy and I like it. The only problem with the one I have is that it won't allow the use of a Redi-mag. I'm almost sold on the Redi-mag from watching Travis on the first ATC. Eject mag, insert a second, close bolt is extremely fast.

Ryo, I wish I had the skills, materials and machinery that you have. I've been thinking of a finger indention like you have on yours. Very nice!


TS

scumhunter
6 May 2009, 01:45
The first time I saw this gizmo I didn't like it at all. I thought it was a new "wonder toy" that would quickly fade away. After watching these videos (wow) I can see they are practical and functional. It would take a lot of re-training to operate at the level shown. I would also be concerned if you had to transition between rifles that had it and didn't have it.

Ryo
6 May 2009, 09:55
Thanks TS, I actually have no skills as a machinist.. but just careful on how I mill.. Went through 5 bars until I got this one..

Definitely transitioning between rifles that have and don't have the BAD can be a problem. Really you should train with both. BAD does make you "lazy", but at the same time it makes you more effective to get your gun up and running whether your just loading a new mag or clearing up a jam.

TigerStripe
7 May 2009, 22:09
Thanks TS, I actually have no skills as a machinist.. but just careful on how I mill.. Went through 5 bars until I got this one..

Definitely transitioning between rifles that have and don't have the BAD can be a problem. Really you should train with both. BAD does make you "lazy", but at the same time it makes you more effective to get your gun up and running whether your just loading a new mag or clearing up a jam.

I would still be milling bars.... I plan to put a BAD on every rifle.



TS

Policetacteam
11 May 2009, 00:38
Nice work Ryo. I'm anxious to try one as well!

benbangui
24 June 2009, 14:19
do you know the guys user name on calguns? or know how i could contact him to get one?

adrenaline151
24 June 2009, 14:43
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23631

A guys is selling something similar here.

Buckeye67
24 June 2009, 15:49
I'm looking forward to their release. I don't run a Redi-Mag, but I still want to give the BAD a try.

Hojutsu
26 June 2009, 08:04
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23631

A guys is selling something similar here.

Yet another BAD copy. This one looks kind of fragile

Titleist
26 June 2009, 14:00
I'm looking forward to their release. I don't run a Redi-Mag, but I still want to give the BAD a try.

I have a redi-mod and for the love of all things holy I WANT a B.A.D. The boonie packer bolt catch extension just doesn't cut it compared to the B.A.D, especially for locking the BCG back or doing reloads.

Narco
26 June 2009, 19:01
Not to get off topic here, does anyone have a contact who can skeletonize a redimag for me, I purchase one for cheap at a fun show Model #RM-15 A2 but it is quite heavy..it is Gen I

TigerStripe
26 June 2009, 22:41
Yet another BAD copy. This one looks kind of fragile

I have that one and it's on the carbine I'm testing now. I haven't had a problem with mine yet. It's not designed to work with a Redi-mag, but I don't have one yet. I will report any problems here, if they arise.



TS

Ryo
26 June 2009, 23:06
I have a redi-mod and for the love of all things holy I WANT a B.A.D. The boonie packer bolt catch extension just doesn't cut it compared to the B.A.D, especially for locking the BCG back or doing reloads.

Don't worry about it. ;)

CCK
27 June 2009, 06:53
I have the one from Tango5 on snipercountry with my redimod. Doesnt feel fragile to me. back side of redimag had to be relieved to make it work.

Chris

Lex Talionis
28 July 2009, 10:08
in the interim, I ended up getting the Phase5 EBRv2 seen here. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=165370) for one of my builds to test out. love it! I liked the v2 version more than the bolt on as it replaces the entire bolt catch.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e21/ken_btc/gun%20parts/P5EBRC2_1.jpg

federalist22
28 July 2009, 13:31
Looks good and shoudl function well based on the design. Any idea how it works with an ambi-mag release/catch like the Norgon?

Kiwi
29 July 2009, 05:26
+1 on the Phase 5 tactical, got both V1 and V2, V2 rocks!
It really makes sense that the unit is in one-piece.

To be honest I can't really see how BAD could be any better when it finally comes out, since it is such a small and simple unit.

Sak007
30 July 2009, 02:38
My ebr v2 should be arriving friday.

rob_s
30 July 2009, 03:47
I fired to BHO 7 times on Tuesday night with the bolt-on P5 attached. the bolt failed to lock back on an empty magazine one time out of seven. I'll get a chance to do more testing with it this coming Tuesday.

Kiwi
30 July 2009, 05:04
I fired to BHO 7 times on Tuesday night with the bolt-on P5 attached. the bolt failed to lock back on an empty magazine one time out of seven. I'll get a chance to do more testing with it this coming Tuesday.

Guess that could happen as the whole bolt catch is heaver... Rob, when you say bolt-on you mean V1 (screw on) or V2 (welded on one piece)?

gotm4
30 July 2009, 05:50
I have five of the Phase 5 tactical ones. Only one gave me trouble this was on my 3gun rifle. I believe it's do the the very fast cycle rate. This gun has a 18" rifle gas WOA barrel, JP LMOS carrier and an adjustable gas system. With my custom 1.8oz buffer it would fail to lock back. I lightened up the faux-BAD removing a lot of the metal and refinished it with Norrells moly resin. I also had to go back to a 3.0oz CAR buffer and fiddle with the gas setting to get it to lock back.

Your can see how thin I made it here:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/leftside.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/rightside.jpg

rob_s
30 July 2009, 06:21
Guess that could happen as the whole bolt catch is heaver... Rob, when you say bolt-on you mean V1 (screw on) or V2 (welded on one piece)?

The bolt-on. The one with the backing-plates and screws that I can't get to mount to the gun with the Redimod in place.

I have a comparison write-up between the P5 and the BAD that I'm working on, and I keep summing things up by comparing it to the movie Multiplicity. The BAD is the original Michael Keaton character. The P5 is the 4th or 5th clone that walks around in the helmet. [BD]

Having both in hand really made me appreciate the thought that went into Travis's version.

Ryo
30 July 2009, 07:19
I always suspected it was not RedMag compatible.

federalist22
30 July 2009, 15:23
From the looks of it, it looks to be incompatible with the Norgon Ambi-mag catch/release as well.

trinydex
30 July 2009, 15:36
kinda makes lefties have to choose between fast mag release or fast bolt release...

federalist22
31 July 2009, 02:09
kinda makes lefties have to choose between fast mag release or fast bolt release...
Not just lefties, but right-handed shooters too who want to use the left hand to manipulate everything but the trigger with their left hand--keeps the right hand on grip for fire control.

Unless I am mistaken, an type of extended bolt release designed to be manipulated with the trigger finger will block an type of advanced magazine release that can be manipulated from the left side of the gun. I would have to agree that shooters, right or left-handed will have to choose between quick mag releases and quick bolt releases.

rugbymike
5 August 2009, 12:44
Magpul's B.A.D. is Redi-mag compatible. That is how Travis Haley (creator of the B.A.D.) has is set up. As for being left handed, petition companies like Stag Arms and DPMS to make a left handed lower to go along with their left handed uppers.

Ryo
5 August 2009, 14:47
Magpul's B.A.D. is Redi-mag compatible. That is how Travis Haley (creator of the B.A.D.) has is set up. As for being left handed, petition companies like Stag Arms and DPMS to make a left handed lower to go along with their left handed uppers.

In class Travis was running the BAD without a Redi-Mag. Also the BAD we had seen pictures of doesn't even look close to his latest version.

Titleist
5 August 2009, 18:29
Yep, it's polymer no more.

jester
6 August 2009, 20:28
Damn, I was hoping it would be polymer...

Sak007
6 August 2009, 22:43
I have a ebr from phase 5 tactical , which is a good option if you don't want to wait forever for the magpul bad. I have version 2 which doesn't latch on it is one solid piece.
http://www.phase5tactical.com/g_products/ebr.html
http://i32.tinypic.com/2vhtd74.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/vy2kj6.jpg

Titleist
7 August 2009, 06:39
Damn, I was hoping it would be polymer...

You wont be dissapointed. It's fantastic even though it's metal.

armike
17 August 2009, 11:45
I have the Phase 5 Tactical EBRv2 on my AR and it works great with my Redi-mag. Going shooting this afternoon again with it, pics coming soon.

gunn4hyr
18 August 2009, 14:15
so any word on a release date yet

rob_s
19 August 2009, 05:39
Comparison with tons of pictures and even more words. BAD vs. EBRv1 (http://www.itstactical.com/2009/08/19/magpul-bad-vs-phase-5-ebr/)

thanks to www.itstactical.com (http://www.itstactical.com) for hosting the article.

Titleist
19 August 2009, 06:16
Rob, awesome write up. However that only makes the waiting even harder.

Great job!

JLSKIP
19 August 2009, 08:15
Great write up rob! I'm one of those people that has admired the B.A.D. concept primarily for ease of locking the bolt back. A slightly faster reload is only icing on the cake to me. I think that both of the other "options" that are currently available missed the boat on making the bolt lock back a priority. At least the B.A.D. has a notch for your finger to help with pushing the device away from the receiver. I had to modify the Tango 5 by bending down the last 1/4" at a 45° angle in order to mimic/enhance this function.

I look forward to the day that the B.A.D. is finally released.

Titleist
19 August 2009, 09:05
From the one Travis had in our class earlier this month it's slimmed down considerably. It even makes the Phase 5 ones look like porkers by comparison.

It's just lean and well done, metal as well. I didn't get to try it personally as I didn't want be "that guy". But it's really gonna be worth the wait.

Stickman
19 August 2009, 09:29
No comment aside of "just wait".

Titleist
21 August 2009, 11:54
It's released: http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/badnewsfeed.pdf

bigcoastie
21 August 2009, 12:46
Nice! I just ordered 2 through Brownells 100-004-755 is the part number 23.99 w/ military discount

Titleist
21 August 2009, 13:16
Just ordered 4 (I'm not hoarding I swear!)

bigcoastie
21 August 2009, 13:22
They're so cheap it was tempting to buy more than 2 but I figured I'd give others a chance. They don't seem like they'll be very hard to switch from gun to gun if the need is there. I just wish I didn't buy the knockoff one 2 weeks ago, which still isn't here.

rob_s
21 August 2009, 14:42
Nice! I just ordered 2 through Brownells 100-004-755 is the part number 23.99 w/ military discount

not listed on the website, did you call?

Titleist
21 August 2009, 15:23
You'll have to call for Brownells. A few of us ordered from Magpul directly to apply our Dynamics class discount. But from what I was told from magpul directly, you'll see these just about everywhere by mid-late next week.

roach1902
21 August 2009, 16:01
http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=362[wow]

Bushwacker4
21 August 2009, 16:51
You'll have to call for Brownells. A few of us ordered from Magpul directly to apply our Dynamics class discount. But from what I was told from magpul directly, you'll see these just about everywhere by mid-late next week.

I put in a quick order with them earlier this morning. I then found out about the B.A.D. coming out, and got excited. I called Magpul and kindly asked if they could "tack it onto my order". Obviously they couldn't, but told me the same thing. Check any website that carries Magpul gear, and they should have it in stock. Apparently, from making quick conversation with the attractive sounding lady in CS, they kind of 'learned their lesson' with the release of the MBUS, and made sure that they would have a second wave ready to distribute once the first round sold out.

Gents, I'm excited and can't wait until next week.

zippygaloo
21 August 2009, 21:37
Anybody know if the production version of the B.A.D. Lever will work with Gen 2 version of KNS Anti-Rotation Pins?

Stickman
21 August 2009, 23:22
http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=362[wow]




Good looking pictures..... [BD]

Titleist
22 August 2009, 06:34
Anybody know if the production version of the B.A.D. Lever will work with Gen 2 version of KNS Anti-Rotation Pins?

Should work, but Stick, any comment?

Eric
22 August 2009, 07:04
Good looking pictures..... [BD]
Vaguely familiar... ;)

federalist22
22 August 2009, 07:08
Will the B.A.D. fit with a Sun Devil Upper and a Seekins Lower? Stick, can you check?

Stickman
22 August 2009, 08:14
Should work, but Stick, any comment?



I see no reason why it wouldn't work, but I don't have any KNS pins to do a hands on check.

Stickman
22 August 2009, 08:15
Will the B.A.D. fit with a Sun Devil Upper and a Seekins Lower? Stick, can you check?


I'll try to remember, I don't have a BAD on that lower currently.

tac40
22 August 2009, 08:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moas5mUD9yA&NR=1

Another video from Travis & Chris on the Magpul B.A.D. device and redi-mag

Titleist
22 August 2009, 09:08
I see no reason why it wouldn't work, but I don't have any KNS pins to do a hands on check.

I figured it'd work, but people are installing Doubt 2.0 in my mind.

Again, SHOULD work, and i'm sure we'll verify next week when these arrive.

m24shooter
22 August 2009, 09:47
Crap, I have to wait until Monday morning to order one from Brownell's.

federalist22
22 August 2009, 09:49
Crap, I have to wait until Monday morning to order one from Brownell's.

Yeah, I ran into the same problem.

5thprofession47
22 August 2009, 21:54
Yeah, I ran into the same problem.

Same here! Can't wait to land one!

locobombero
22 August 2009, 23:41
Would appreciate a compatibility check with a Sun Devil upper. Im betting NO. Would love to be wrong though!

federalist22
23 August 2009, 05:28
Would appreciate a compatibility check with a Sun Devil upper. I'm betting NO. Would love to be wrong though!

I am thinking no at this time too also due to the stylish molding of the recessed area around where the Sun Devil accommodates the bolt release. I don't think the B.A.D. will fit due to it being too wide for the recessed area. Look for it below, even though I do not have a B.A.D.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/SunDevil-BAD.jpg

stealth
27 August 2009, 16:58
Ordered my B.A.D. from brownells.com today. They are still unsure as to when they will ship.

m24shooter
27 August 2009, 18:02
When I spoke with them they said some time next month.

beavo451
28 August 2009, 10:23
I can report that the BAD works with KNS Gen 2 pins. When the bolt is locked back, the lever just touches the connection pin thing, but does not interfere with BAD function.

Titleist
28 August 2009, 16:19
I can report that the BAD works with KNS Gen 2 pins. When the bolt is locked back, the lever just touches the connection pin thing, but does not interfere with BAD function.

Travis confirmed this last night as well. Great to hear though.

Too bad I can't join the BAD club for a few weeks. Backordered!

federalist22
29 August 2009, 02:47
Any word back on whether the BAD works with a Sun Devil Upper, and maybe a Seekins Lower?

Lex Talionis
3 September 2009, 15:10
nice.. cheaper than I expected. BUT, the design is not what I expected. I kind of liked the original test version(s) flaoting around a bit better than the final production design.

As I mentioned earlier, I have a Phase 5 EBRV2 that I like, but I am ordering Magpul for my other AR.

Lex Talionis
3 September 2009, 15:42
Nice! I just ordered 2 through Brownells 100-004-755 is the part number 23.99 w/ military discount

no longer listed on the site :(

monkeymeat
5 September 2009, 10:04
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/jn_cerezo/arfcom/P1010430.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/jn_cerezo/arfcom/P1010439.jpg

For those with GEN 2 KNS pins, the BAD lever does not make contact with the pin when engaged. At least on mine [:)]

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k52/jn_cerezo/arfcom/doesnottouch.jpg
pic of B.A.D. engaged to lock bolt back. it does not make contact with the pin.

edit 9/6/09: to add third pic.

Eric
20 September 2009, 17:50
Interesting that Tactical Link (http://www.tacticallink.com/Products.aspx?Cat=17) has just released their own version.

m24shooter
20 September 2009, 19:18
And with a very original name...

Lex Talionis
22 September 2009, 15:59
and Phase 5 just release a very cool "newer" version of their EBR v2. THIS is what I thought, was hoping, the BAD would be....

http://www.phase5tactical.com/g_products/images/ebr/prod.ebrv2.3.1.jpg

Lex Talionis
22 September 2009, 16:00
And with a very original name...

ha.. yeah, but how many names can you give it really..

HERRON223
23 September 2009, 05:35
and Phase 5 just release a very cool "newer" version of their EBR v2. THIS is what I thought, was hoping, the BAD would be....

http://www.phase5tactical.com/g_products/images/ebr/prod.ebrv2.3.1.jpg

+1 on this I have 2 These things are awsome ! [:D]

zephir
21 November 2009, 18:21
I got 2 magpul BADs in this week and I am not impressed with the installation process. I hope these images show up but when install them on a LMT MRP and my colt 6920, they both require me to mill the back plate to get them to fit and work properly.

colt 9620
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/Colt_BAD4.jpg

with BAD stock
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/Colt_BAD5.jpg

after milling the back side
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/Colt_BAD.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/Colt_BAD2.jpg

finished
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/Colt_BAD3.jpg

If i had installed it stock from the factory, the bolt would hold open. I had the grind down the back and put a curve on the bottom the of the back plate to get it fit.

On the lmt, i had the grind down the top of the back plate.
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/LMT_BAD2.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz88/zephir_album/LMT_BAD3.jpg

needless to say, the BAD does not fit all upper and if you were to buy them, make sure you buy from someone with a good return policy or be ready to do some grinding.

Ryo
21 November 2009, 23:14
I believe this a problem with fitting on all uppers. To me the modification is minor. Just a little grinding on a hand file and it was GTG.