VCROWN vs HST

[alamo5000]

I am referring specifically to 124 grain 9mm, not the +P type.

Is there any major opinions either way between these two offerings?

I know the Sig was on a Black Friday sale for $10 per 20 rounds at my local stores but even at regular price the HST is almost twice as much.

[BoilerUp]

Gold dot.

[alamo5000]

I bought a new pistol and part of my new pistol thing is to run at least 3 or 4 magazines of carry ammo through it to ensure reliability. I've been carrying HST for a long time and I have no problems with it (except the price!) My little test (if using HST) would be over $100 bucks. Not the end of the world but hey...

But what prompted the question was I was seeing ads for VCROWN locally for under $10 bucks for a Black Friday sale and figured why not give it a try.

If someone wants to use their LEO creds to help get me some HST that would work fine too :) I saw one place that has em for a good price but you have to be active LEO or whatever to get the advertised price.

[cjd3]

I’m a big fan of Gold Dots too. But the local shop ran out and only has the G2s now. Considering switching to HSTs. They sell primarily to LEOs, but sell almost everything to everyone.

[mustangfreek]

Buy some and try it out Alamo

I usually have 124gr +p gold dots of 147gr hst’s loaded up

[alamo5000]

Buy some and try it out Alamo

I usually have 124gr +p gold dots of 147gr hst’s loaded up

I bought 4 boxes of the VCrown just because it was on a Black Friday sale. [BD] The whole point isn't to have a massive stash of carry ammo but to do my function test as well. Buying some HST... it's like Federal thinks they are lined with gold or something.

When I see some prices online that are more reasonable than $28 per box of 20 I will pick some more up. They might be good but not worth getting robbed over.

[mustangfreek]

The hst and gold dots are better bought in 50rd boxes or half/full cases

[Joelski]

Go here: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/1220-federal-premium-9mm-124-grain-p-hst-hp.html?unit_type=22

[alamo5000]

Go here: https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/1220-federal-premium-9mm-124-grain-p-hst-hp.html?unit_type=22

Here is a smoking deal but it requires me to send in LEO creds.

https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/products/9mm-124gr-federal-premium-tactical-hst-jhp-p9hst1

[alamo5000]

And another one. $20 bucks for 50 rounds... again need LEO creds.

https://www.gtdist.com/federal-9mm-50-bx-hst-hp-124gr.html

[Joelski]

$80 for 100 rounds. What did you pay for stuff you don't normally use?

[alamo5000]

Man, it's insane. In the store they want $28 bucks for 20 rounds. I am assuming all these are the same ammo but they want $20 to $25 for 50 rounds. The latter isn't so bad. Maybe I will have to buy some online.

[alamo5000]

$80 for 100 rounds. What did you pay for stuff you don't normally use?

The stuff that was on sale was $40 total for 80 rounds (it was a Black Friday thing, normally not that cheap). It's worth a try but I want to get back to worrying about ballistics gel tests. LOL

That said the last time (a really long time ago) I guess I had more disposable income because I remember running 3 or 4 different types of ammo to see what (the gun) liked. I guess I am partial to HST or whatever. I am not married to it by any means... but $28 bucks plus tax for 20 rounds... nope. It isn't that much better.

[alamo5000]

I should have watched more Youtube before my little impulse buy. LOL.

So far I am not that impressed with those VCROWN.

[mustangfreek]

Black Friday Sale - 1000 Round Can - 9mm Luger 147 Grain Bonded Hollow Point Winchester Ranger Ammo For Sale - Z Q4392


http://www.sgammo.com/product/9mm-luger-ammo/black-friday-sale-1000-round-can-9mm-luger-147-grain-bonded-hollow-point-winc

[mustangfreek]

And more..there’s all kinds on sale


200 Round Case - 9mm Luger 147 Grain GDHP Speer Gold Dot Personal Protection Ammo - 23619GD

http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer-ammo-sale/200-round-case-9mm-luger-147-grain-gdhp-speer-gold-dot-personal-protection-a

[BoilerUp]

250 rounds of 9mm 124gr HST police Trade-in for $95: https://www.recoilgunworks.com/trade-federal-124gr-250rd-p-52155.html

[alamo5000]

250 rounds of 9mm 124gr HST police Trade-in for $95: https://www.recoilgunworks.com/trade-federal-124gr-250rd-p-52155.html

Good find! Thanks.

I already bought 150 rounds... which is way more than I will ever need but it's plenty for my testing and carrying. I paid $71 bucks including shipping.

[BoilerUp]

Good find! Thanks.

I already bought 150 rounds... which is way more than I will ever need but it's plenty for my testing and carrying. I paid $71 bucks including shipping.

From where?

[alamo5000]

Bone Frog Gun Club

https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/

[alamo5000]

Just clicked through again and I guess I caught em at the right time [:D] Should have bought 4 boxes instead of 3. I'm guessing it was a Black Friday sale or something.

[fairlanericky]

Here is a smoking deal but it requires me to send in LEO creds.

https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/products/9mm-124gr-federal-premium-tactical-hst-jhp-p9hst1

alamo, if you buy the $30 membership when you place your order and that "cancel/OK" thing pops up, you hit ok and your items go in the cart. ;)
The money you save on pricing can/will pay for the membership.

I got 100rds of HST 124+P for $40 plus shipping.



Ric

[Default.mp3]

If the ammo isn't on DocGKR's list, you'll not convince me to use it as carry ammo. HST is. VCROWN ain't.

[alamo5000]

alamo, if you buy the $30 membership when you place your order and that "cancel/OK" thing pops up, you hit ok and your items go in the cart. ;)
The money you save on pricing can/will pay for the membership.

I got 100rds of HST 124+P for $40 plus shipping.



Ric

I bought 150 rounds. Not sure if I am a member or not :) As long as I can get good deals on ammo I'm good.


If the ammo isn't on DocGKR's list, you'll not convince me to use it as carry ammo. HST is. VCROWN ain't.

It was really a whim purchase. Money burning a hole in my pocket. I will do my tests and if HST runs reliably then that's my go to.

It's been proven. That and hydro shock would both be ok. From what I've read HST works great even in shorter ish barrels.

[Default.mp3]

It's been proven. That and hydro shock would both be ok. From what I've read HST works great even in shorter ish barrels.Hydra-Shok ain't on the list either.


Bullet designs like the Silver Tip, Hydra-Shok, and Black Talon were state of the art 15 or 20 years ago. These older bullets tend to plug up and act like FMJ projectiles when shot through heavy clothing; they also often have significant degradation in terminal performance after first passing through intermediate barriers. Modern ammunition which has been designed for robust expansion against clothing and intermediate barriers is significantly superior to the older designs. The bullets in the Federal Classic and Hydrashok line are outperformed by other ATK products such as the Federal Tactical and HST, as well as the Speer Gold Dot; likewise Winchester Ranger Talons are far superior to the old Black Talons or civilian SXT's.

[alamo5000]

That's interesting for sure. Terminal ballistics is definitely interesting to study. I used to love back in the day watching all the gel tests and so forth on YouTube.

Now especially with the trend of really small guns I think it's important to pay attention to.

[Joelski]

I'm partial to 147-150 gr HST's in my carry guns. HD guns get +P Critical Duty. The little extra helps with barriers over Critical Defense, according to Hornady. I'm a big fan of XTP's for training and summer carry. Ya gotta put the money into practicing with what you carry, IMO.

[alamo5000]

I'm partial to 147-150 gr HST's in my carry guns. HD guns get +P Critical Duty. The little extra helps with barriers over Critical Defense, according to Hornady. I'm a big fan of XTP's for training and summer carry. Ya gotta put the money into practicing with what you carry, IMO.

Why do you prefer heavies? Any particular reason?

Where I live we do not have bad winters. You could live your life with a light jacket most of the time. Only every once in a while (or if you are working outside) will you need a heavy coat. All together it might be a month added up throughout the year.

As for overall carry, I've always gone with 124 grain. That said above and beyond any ammo...to me it's all about practice. I got a new carry gun and so far I've put several hundred rounds through it. I am checking the function of the gun but also seeing how I shoot it. I definitely have had to make a few adjustments. Today I was out shooting a 4 inch square at 10 yards...Eventually I want to get to where I can hit that from a draw without thinking about it too much, at least that's the goal. I definitely think I need to shoot a lot more.

I can just go shoot and get proficient with the weapon but I still would like to take a class. Just because I can shoot doesn't mean I am good at fighting.

[Joelski]

Less muzzle flip out of short barreled pistols. I usually carry something with a 3" to 3.5" barrel for concealment purposes. With a lightweight, short barreled pistol, it will flip with 115's, the little bit more weight helps stay on target. And yes, you can shoot the ass out of a goose at 1,000 yds, but if you don't have the nerve to pull the trigger when that time comes, you'll be just as dead, but heavier by the weight of an un-used defensive firearm. Ayoob does a great mindset lecture.


Why do you prefer heavies? Any particular reason?

Where I live we do not have bad winters. You could live your life with a light jacket most of the time. Only every once in a while (or if you are working outside) will you need a heavy coat. All together it might be a month added up throughout the year.

As for overall carry, I've always gone with 124 grain. That said above and beyond any ammo...to me it's all about practice. I got a new carry gun and so far I've put several hundred rounds through it. I am checking the function of the gun but also seeing how I shoot it. I definitely have had to make a few adjustments. Today I was out shooting a 4 inch square at 10 yards...Eventually I want to get to where I can hit that from a draw without thinking about it too much, at least that's the goal. I definitely think I need to shoot a lot more.

I can just go shoot and get proficient with the weapon but I still would like to take a class. Just because I can shoot doesn't mean I am good at fighting.

[Joelski]

Here's some great info from Mr. Butler himself.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B5wLknSHHXF/?igshid=1bshi1pzf3kxy

[usbp379]

This is probably the dummy Taran uses.

Anyone want to buy me one of these for Christmas?


https://www.ballisticsdummy.com/hobby#section--31365