PSA Jakl 9mm... your thoughts please

[alamo5000]

I am considering one of these for a small truck type of gun.

If you have any thoughts on this type of firearm please post it below.

My thoughts are 'it's PSA' and that is pretty good for something that I would throw in a bag and put in the car for a rifle ish option.

I don't really plan on leaving it in the car all the time but if I need to I wouldn't be as worried about it as something else.

I would probably top it off with a Holosun or something like that.

If we get the HPA and SHORT through I might even get a suppressor for it. I would probably run a brace until I could get a stock (should that be included in the BBB).

What I like about it is it can fold and the overall size is pretty small for potentially having to handle it inside of a car.

Pros and cons please let me know your thoughts.

[Joelski]

I like the faux ACR look of the rifle. It?s on one of my to-do lists. Hell, Garand Thumb liked it; check out his test. I agree with him though, that Franklin needs to bring back the ACR, only not effed-up, the way BM made it.

[Joelski]

Apparently iOS 18.whatever only uses question marks for punctuation!

[alamo5000]

I am wondering why, in general, that people usually don't like blow back operated rifles? I am not stating that as a fact, but a whole lot of people online either say it or refer to it (not liking blow back).

Is it because of the recoil? As in all of the extra mass reciprocating?

What is your view on the in general dislike of blow back firearms?

[BoilerUp]

I am wondering why, in general, that people usually don't like blow back operated rifles? I am not stating that as a fact, but a whole lot of people online either say it or refer to it (not liking blow back).

Is it because of the recoil? As in all of the extra mass reciprocating?

What is your view on the in general dislike of blow back firearms?

I am in the crowd that doesn't like blow back 9mm carbines/sbr (no complaints on blowback rimfires). It's kind of one of those things that once you've shot an MP5 it's hard to go back. The reciprocating mass of blowback guns is usually huge and can make for an almost comical recoil impulse (i.e., the weapon recoiling forward as the bolt returns to battery). Also, it's simple and therefore should be cheap, as there is no difficult engineering required, so when I do see a blowback system I expect it to be cheap. Expensive blow-back guns are just a no-go for me. For more money, you get better engineering, like pistons or roller/radial delay to provide smoother recoil.

[Joelski]

My reality is that I haven't shot high volume in so long, I don't need a PCC to make the cost of shooting affordable. That said, 300 BLK is still relevant in my book. 5.56 is impossible to properly suppress, and supers do okay. If I need to go over 500 yds, I'm moving to .308, or a bolt action.

[BoilerUp]

I am considering one of these for a small truck type of gun.

If you have any thoughts on this type of firearm please post it below.

My thoughts are 'it's PSA' and that is pretty good for something that I would throw in a bag and put in the car for a rifle ish option.

I don't really plan on leaving it in the car all the time but if I need to I wouldn't be as worried about it as something else.

I would probably top it off with a Holosun or something like that.

If we get the HPA and SHORT through I might even get a suppressor for it. I would probably run a brace until I could get a stock (should that be included in the BBB).

What I like about it is it can fold and the overall size is pretty small for potentially having to handle it inside of a car.

Pros and cons please let me know your thoughts.

Getting back to your OP: 9mm PCC and "truck gun" don't make sense together, to me at least. And I'm in the minority of folks that still think PCCs have a valid role to play, but I think that is primarily home defense where a 147gr Gold Dot has adequate terminal ballistics for most threats. So, I like them for confined spaces where I want precise shot placement (inside 10-20 yards) and minimal blast.

But for a truck gun, I generally am thinking that threats are more likely to be "in the open" , distances open up, and "barrier blind" performance may start to matter, which is where .223 does well.

So, I'm not quite sure what "mission profile" you have in mind when you pick a 9mm PCC for a truck gun. Perhaps elaborate a bit more on that?

As for the PSA jackl, I'd probably be intriqued if I was in a place where i could buy one, but now that WA has shut that down I'm stuck with what I got, which happens to be plenty. In this category, I love my Sig MPX. There are a few legitimate grips about the MPX (expensive, heavy for what it is, and hard to mitigate gas in the face), but I think it's an outstanding weapon (mine is accurate, reliable, and I think the recoil is even slightly better than an MP5, which is huge praise). The Jackl looks like an attractive cost effective alternative to the MPX/MCX platform.

[alamo5000]

Getting back to your OP: 9mm PCC and "truck gun" don't make sense together, to me at least. And I'm in the minority of folks that still think PCCs have a valid role to play, but I think that is primarily home defense where a 147gr Gold Dot has adequate terminal ballistics for most threats. So, I like them for confined spaces where I want precise shot placement (inside 10-20 yards) and minimal blast.

But for a truck gun, I generally am thinking that threats are more likely to be "in the open" , distances open up, and "barrier blind" performance may start to matter, which is where .223 does well.

So, I'm not quite sure what "mission profile" you have in mind when you pick a 9mm PCC for a truck gun. Perhaps elaborate a bit more on that?

As for the PSA jackl, I'd probably be intriqued if I was in a place where i could buy one, but now that WA has shut that down I'm stuck with what I got, which happens to be plenty. In this category, I love my Sig MPX. There are a few legitimate grips about the MPX (expensive, heavy for what it is, and hard to mitigate gas in the face), but I think it's an outstanding weapon (mine is accurate, reliable, and I think the recoil is even slightly better than an MP5, which is huge praise). The Jackl looks like an attractive cost effective alternative to the MPX/MCX platform.

I guess I have really two things on my mind about this. Ideally I would like more firepower. But in this particular context I want something that I can easily handle (size wise) inside of a car. Also I want something small enough that I can put it in a backpack or something because I definitely will not be leaving a firearm in my car 24/7. I guess the overall length is kind of critical thing for what I have in mind. I probably should take what I have already and see what my acceptable OAL would be. I'm guessing around 24" if including the stock, but I don't know.

I guess a side folding 300BLK would probably work as well. The PSA 300BLK jakl pistol is around 21" long when folded. That said I kind of have been wanting a PCC but I'm not sure what to save up for. I have been thinking about it for a long time but I never got around to it because of other things going on. In my head I'm thinking size wise of an MP5K with a folding stock or PDW and maybe a tri lug suppressor.

In all likelihood my odds of going out to the yard and shooting the heck out of a 9mm PCC would be about 100,000 times more probable than getting into a gun fight so there's that.

A lot of these things I'm interested in I don't have the opportunity to shoot or test out so in my head it is more complicated. I kind of like the PDW style because there is no folding. At least in my head it would be easier handling in a confined space like a car.

[BoilerUp]

I see. You're thinking more PDW than "truck gun". The 300 AAC will definitely give you more juice, so an MCX/JAKL is reasonable. Below is a picture of a 5.5" 300ACC "PDW" pistol build next to an MP5K (PRT9K) to show how close you can get.

But PCC / 9mm PDWs are fun, too. Have you considered the new Kuna? Or, perhaps an MP5K?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports/Shooting/n-ZgGN2/PEW-PDW-300-BLK/i-RQs2qTS/1/Nd3mzqMSk8TZg9mSfQHfjTrDbbsdkDT8dzSpRGGQV/XL/20200530_194719-XL.jpg

[alamo5000]

I was lucky in that someone brought a suppressed MP5K to the house the other day. I got to shoot it and play around with it, which answered a lot of questions about PCCs in general as well as that specific firearm.

What direction I will probably go is something different and not a PCC.

A couple of years ago I remember seeing a product that seemed really cool. It is a QD stock adapter from Stern Defense. I happened to find them on sale for $99 or about $118 to the door.

https://youtu.be/0hNQnd6lOSM?si=wJhMOi6IE3W__kEb

With that I can get a 9" 300BLK down under 18" which would easily fit in a backpack or something similar. With a supressor attached it would be under 24" should I have it in that configuration. With that QD it's quicker than inserting a magazine and I won't have to deal with special mags or anything else that could be picky in the way of reliability. I could have a regular full size rifle in something more than 9mm just like that.

The idea in my head is not to have that for a quick draw situation but rather if I find myself out traveling or otherwise I can have it at very least with me in a reasonably sized package and it will be accessible.

I have not fully decided on the total layout yet, but I'm definitely thinking about making it as lightweight as possible. I went ahead and bought the stock adapter but I don't have anything else in the way of components yet. I'm probably leaning towards 300blk but even that is not set just yet.

[Jerry R]

I have an 8.5" 300BLK. Works really well for me.
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7954&d=1643903900

[alamo5000]

I have an 8.5" 300BLK. Works really well for me.
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7954&d=1643903900

Very nice! What is the twist on that barrel? Also what type of bag is that?

I have been window shopping and I see some barrels that are now 1:5 twist. I'm wondering if that extra twist is really that much better or is it just another gun lore thing.

What I am thinking about is getting a 7.5" blackout barrel, or possibly even shorter and using the RAB-AD fast attach for the stock. With a 7.5" barrel the longest portion would be exactly 16.5" without the stock or suppressor. I measured my current upper from the muzzle device to the back of the castle nut which is exactly where that fast attach will be. If I go with a 6" barrel it would be 15" total on the button.

I think that would be pretty manageable for finding a small bag that isn't too cumbersome. I would probably carry strictly subsonic ammo.

The whole idea is to have a small rifle that I can easily get in and out of a car that I could have on hand or that I could take on road trips, camping, fishing, etc.

[Jerry R]

Very nice! What is the twist on that barrel? Also what type of bag is that?

I have been window shopping and I see some barrels that are now 1:5 twist. I'm wondering if that extra twist is really that much better or is it just another gun lore thing.

What I am thinking about is getting a 7.5" blackout barrel, or possibly even shorter and using the RAB-AD fast attach for the stock. With a 7.5" barrel the longest portion would be exactly 16.5" without the stock or suppressor. I measured my current upper from the muzzle device to the back of the castle nut which is exactly where that fast attach will be. If I go with a 6" barrel it would be 15" total on the button.

I think that would be pretty manageable for finding a small bag that isn't too cumbersome. I would probably carry strictly subsonic ammo.

The whole idea is to have a small rifle that I can easily get in and out of a car that I could have on hand or that I could take on road trips, camping, fishing, etc.

Barrel is a Rainier Arms Match with 1:8 twist. The bag is actually my camera bag. [:D] Just used it for a setup shot. Fits a black backpack I have though.

[alamo5000]

Question for the group. I'm pretty sure I'm going to finally make a take down (ish) truck gun. My thoughts are that I want to make it as light as possible.

I'm not interested in ultra light BCG or skeletonized receivers, but aside from that what are your thoughts on light weight uppers and lowers? What about handguards?

If possible I want to use a slick side upper or at least one that doesn't have a forward assist. I want to eliminate snag points as well as weight.

I've seen several carbon fiber handguards but I'm not entirely sold on that either.

Currently I have 4 different rifles using all billet and while I like all of them a lot I'm considering going with a forged set for this build. Probably not something over the top because it is after all intended to potentially be hauled around in a vehicle, on boats, camping or whatever.

As of right now the only two places that I've seen are Aero and PSA that have forged uppers w/o a forward assist.

Any ideas either for or against anything in particular is welcome.

[gatordev]

You'll pay for it, but I'd look at V-Seven. He has Ti lightweight receivers and handguards. I don't know if that will fit what you want, but it's an option. "Enlightened" products are here: https://www.vsevenweaponsystems.com/gun-parts/ar15-parts/ar15-upper-parts/

[alamo5000]

You'll pay for it, but I'd look at V-Seven. He has Ti lightweight receivers and handguards. I don't know if that will fit what you want, but it's an option. "Enlightened" products are here: https://www.vsevenweaponsystems.com/gun-parts/ar15-parts/ar15-upper-parts/
They are definitely proud of their products.

I'm not ruling anything out but I was at least initially thinking about a mid tier build because it would live it's life being hauled around in cars or boats or fishing or something like that.

I don't have any particular deadline so later on if I find something on sale I might spring for it.

That said that one V Seven is made from a different type of metal alloy. That seems cool. I've seen others made from some magnesium blend too.

My current 9" 300BLK is a tad over 9lbs with everything including the sling, suppressor, optic, and a full mag. Considering that I'm not going to mess with the internal stuff like having a skeletonized BCG and a titanium firing pin I really need to figure out if it makes enough difference to make a difference if you know what I mean.

[alamo5000]

I see. You're thinking more PDW than "truck gun". The 300 AAC will definitely give you more juice, so an MCX/JAKL is reasonable. Below is a picture of a 5.5" 300ACC "PDW" pistol build next to an MP5K (PRT9K) to show how close you can get.

But PCC / 9mm PDWs are fun, too. Have you considered the new Kuna? Or, perhaps an MP5K?

https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports/Shooting/n-ZgGN2/PEW-PDW-300-BLK/i-RQs2qTS/1/Nd3mzqMSk8TZg9mSfQHfjTrDbbsdkDT8dzSpRGGQV/XL/20200530_194719-XL.jpg

On that Aero build, how long is that hand guard? I looked at their website and it seems like the shortest ones they offer are 7.5".

[BoilerUp]

Question for the group. I'm pretty sure I'm going to finally make a take down (ish) truck gun. My thoughts are that I want to make it as light as possible.

I'm not interested in ultra light BCG or skeletonized receivers, but aside from that what are your thoughts on light weight uppers and lowers? What about handguards?

If possible I want to use a slick side upper or at least one that doesn't have a forward assist. I want to eliminate snag points as well as weight.

I've seen several carbon fiber handguards but I'm not entirely sold on that either.

Currently I have 4 different rifles using all billet and while I like all of them a lot I'm considering going with a forged set for this build. Probably not something over the top because it is after all intended to potentially be hauled around in a vehicle, on boats, camping or whatever.

As of right now the only two places that I've seen are Aero and PSA that have forged uppers w/o a forward assist.

Any ideas either for or against anything in particular is welcome.

For light weight without paying a premium for, stick with a mil-spec lower, an upper w/o FA (Aero is fine) and a BCM KMR handguard and choose a lightweight stock and carefully consider your barrel. That makes for a slick, light weight, yet versatile carbine. If you really want to shave ounces beyond that you are either going to pay a lot more or start compromising functionality.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rdzkxMs/0/LXZV7cxXGmzQTnDTVtvMkMK6LGbWPLjDxN5DZJ4rV/L/i-rdzkxMs-L.jpg

[BoilerUp]

On that Aero build, how long is that hand guard? I looked at their website and it seems like the shortest ones they offer are 7.5".

Yes, it's the 7". I used a Griffin Armament Taper Mount linear comp muzzle device to ensure the blast clears the handguard. Generally, I'll add the suppressor but it functions fine unsuppressed.