Paulo_Santos
5 July 2009, 01:51
We recently started a discussion on 68Forums about shooting with iron sights.
I learned to shoot AR's with iron sights and I think it is great to know how to use them properly and they can also be a lot of fun. If anything they are a challenge. Something different.
On 7-2-09 I went to the range where I did my 90 round little course that I try to do whenever I go to the range. Before I start, here is the B-27C-GREEN Target (http://www.letargets.com/estylez_item.aspx?item=B-27C+GREEN) that I use. Here is a picture of it to show the size comparison to an FBI Reduced target. The B-27C is 12.5"x18.5":
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzAtMjAwOTA3MDItMTgwN.jpg
Here is the course that I do:
Course of Fire #1
Distance: 100 Yards.
Position: Prone. I generally use just the Bipod or just prone. Today I use the Bipod.
Round count: 10 Rounds.
Time limit: 30 sec's for semi-autos (1 min 0 sec's of manual operated rifles).
Directions: At the command of shooter ready, the shooter has a firearm loaded and placed on safe. On the command of fire, the shooter engages the target with 10 rounds with in time frame.
Scoring: A maximum score is 450 Points. Only bullets in the X, 10, 9, and 8 will count. If the bullets breaks the plane of the higher ring, count the higher score.
X: 15 Points.
10: 10 Points.
9. 9 Points.
8. 8 Points.
Course of Fire #2
Distance: 100 Yards.
Position: Kneeling Position. Sling can be used for supprt.
Round count: 10 Rounds.
Time limit: 30 sec's for semi-autos (1 min 0 sec's of manual operated rifles).
Directions: At the command of shooter ready, the shooter has a firearm loaded and placed on safe. On the command of fire, the shooter engages the target with 10 rounds with in time frame.
Scoring: A maximum score is 450 Points. Only bullets in the X, 10, 9, and 8 will count. If the bullets breaks the plane of the higher ring, count the higher score.
X: 15 Points.
10: 10 Points.
9. 9 Points.
8. 8 Points.
Course of Fire #3
Distance: 100 Yards.
Position: Off hand / standing. Sling can be used for support.
Round count: 10 Rounds.
Time limit: 30 sec's for semi-autos (1 min 0 sec's of manual operated rifles).
Directions: At the command of shooter ready, the shooter has a firearm loaded and placed on safe. On the command of fire, the shooter engages the target with 10 rounds with in time frame.
Scoring: A maximum score is 450 Points. Only bullets in the X, 10, 9, and 8 will count. If the bullets breaks the plane of the higher ring, count the higher score.
X: 15 Points.
10: 10 Points.
9. 9 Points.
8. 8 Points.
Here are the results:
IRONS:
X: 9 (135 Points).
10: 6 (60 Points).
9: 10 (90 Points).
8: 4 (32 Points).
Total Points: 317 Points.
Misses. 1.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzEtMjAwOTA3MDItMTgwO.jpg
Aimpoint with 3xMagnifier:
X: 4 (60 Points).
10: 14 (140 Points).
9: 9 (81 Points).
8: 3 (24 Points).
Total Points: 305 Points.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzItMjAwOTA3MDItMTgxM.jpg
NOTE: If you look at the target, those nine rounds right underneath the "X", were as a result of a bad zero. If those had been in the X, the score would have been 350 Points.
Aimpoint:
X: 3 (45 Points).
10: 10 (100 Points).
9: 12 (108 Points).
8: 4 (32 Points).
Total Points: 285 Points.
Misses. 1.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzMtMjAwOTA3MDItMTgxM.jpg
Conclusion:
As you can see, I did just as good with the irons as I did with the Aimpoint with 3xMagnifier and better than the Aimpoint. To be honest, I was tired when I shot with the Aimpoint, which was my last 30 rounds. After every ten rounds that I shoot, I check the targets. Ideally, when in the prone, I like to get most of them in the X. From Kneeling, I like to try to get most of them in the 10 or X. From Standing, I try to get most of them in the 9 or better. And that is pretty much how I shot.
Just thought I'd share this with you guys as it is a ton of fun and it really helps you improve if you do something like this whenever you go to the range. Beats just shooting from the bench.
I learned to shoot AR's with iron sights and I think it is great to know how to use them properly and they can also be a lot of fun. If anything they are a challenge. Something different.
On 7-2-09 I went to the range where I did my 90 round little course that I try to do whenever I go to the range. Before I start, here is the B-27C-GREEN Target (http://www.letargets.com/estylez_item.aspx?item=B-27C+GREEN) that I use. Here is a picture of it to show the size comparison to an FBI Reduced target. The B-27C is 12.5"x18.5":
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzAtMjAwOTA3MDItMTgwN.jpg
Here is the course that I do:
Course of Fire #1
Distance: 100 Yards.
Position: Prone. I generally use just the Bipod or just prone. Today I use the Bipod.
Round count: 10 Rounds.
Time limit: 30 sec's for semi-autos (1 min 0 sec's of manual operated rifles).
Directions: At the command of shooter ready, the shooter has a firearm loaded and placed on safe. On the command of fire, the shooter engages the target with 10 rounds with in time frame.
Scoring: A maximum score is 450 Points. Only bullets in the X, 10, 9, and 8 will count. If the bullets breaks the plane of the higher ring, count the higher score.
X: 15 Points.
10: 10 Points.
9. 9 Points.
8. 8 Points.
Course of Fire #2
Distance: 100 Yards.
Position: Kneeling Position. Sling can be used for supprt.
Round count: 10 Rounds.
Time limit: 30 sec's for semi-autos (1 min 0 sec's of manual operated rifles).
Directions: At the command of shooter ready, the shooter has a firearm loaded and placed on safe. On the command of fire, the shooter engages the target with 10 rounds with in time frame.
Scoring: A maximum score is 450 Points. Only bullets in the X, 10, 9, and 8 will count. If the bullets breaks the plane of the higher ring, count the higher score.
X: 15 Points.
10: 10 Points.
9. 9 Points.
8. 8 Points.
Course of Fire #3
Distance: 100 Yards.
Position: Off hand / standing. Sling can be used for support.
Round count: 10 Rounds.
Time limit: 30 sec's for semi-autos (1 min 0 sec's of manual operated rifles).
Directions: At the command of shooter ready, the shooter has a firearm loaded and placed on safe. On the command of fire, the shooter engages the target with 10 rounds with in time frame.
Scoring: A maximum score is 450 Points. Only bullets in the X, 10, 9, and 8 will count. If the bullets breaks the plane of the higher ring, count the higher score.
X: 15 Points.
10: 10 Points.
9. 9 Points.
8. 8 Points.
Here are the results:
IRONS:
X: 9 (135 Points).
10: 6 (60 Points).
9: 10 (90 Points).
8: 4 (32 Points).
Total Points: 317 Points.
Misses. 1.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzEtMjAwOTA3MDItMTgwO.jpg
Aimpoint with 3xMagnifier:
X: 4 (60 Points).
10: 14 (140 Points).
9: 9 (81 Points).
8: 3 (24 Points).
Total Points: 305 Points.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzItMjAwOTA3MDItMTgxM.jpg
NOTE: If you look at the target, those nine rounds right underneath the "X", were as a result of a bad zero. If those had been in the X, the score would have been 350 Points.
Aimpoint:
X: 3 (45 Points).
10: 10 (100 Points).
9: 12 (108 Points).
8: 4 (32 Points).
Total Points: 285 Points.
Misses. 1.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMzMtMjAwOTA3MDItMTgxM.jpg
Conclusion:
As you can see, I did just as good with the irons as I did with the Aimpoint with 3xMagnifier and better than the Aimpoint. To be honest, I was tired when I shot with the Aimpoint, which was my last 30 rounds. After every ten rounds that I shoot, I check the targets. Ideally, when in the prone, I like to get most of them in the X. From Kneeling, I like to try to get most of them in the 10 or X. From Standing, I try to get most of them in the 9 or better. And that is pretty much how I shot.
Just thought I'd share this with you guys as it is a ton of fun and it really helps you improve if you do something like this whenever you go to the range. Beats just shooting from the bench.