Quick Seekins Precision Billet lower overview

[GriffonSec]

I recently picked up a Seekins Precision Billet Lower from Rainier along with a Noveske lower, after seeing the pics put up here. Definitely a different look, and will most likely be the base for my SBR build.

I don't have a complete LPK, but extra parts laying around fit perfectly, and I pulled my Armalite middy upper and Rainier stripped upper, and both fit very snug without play. Biggest perk for me is the front magwell, as I've yet to get comfortable with a VFG, and have always held the front magwell. PMAGs drop freely, the VLTOR receiver end plate almost 'snaps' in once the extension tube is in place. It's taking a bit to grow on me as far as appearances, but overall feel is wonderful for how I shoot the weapon. I'm kicking the idea of either a Timney or Giselle SSA for this. I have time, I'm waiting on the new Rainier billet upper to go with this.

One somewhat important note: The trigger guard has a very noticeable bevel to it, and where it mates up to the grip leaves at least the MOE grip having the corners protrude on either side. I used an exacto knife to scribe the corners and used a dremel with a cutoff bit to shape it and a small flap wheel to clean it up. The corners of the MOE grip are noticeable on this lower, and uncomfortable if left on. Lighting in the last few pics somewhat exaggerate the cut, but it doesn't change hand position any and maintains a comfortable hold.

A few quick shots:

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/seekins-4.jpg

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/seekins-1.jpg

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/seekins-2.jpg

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/seekins-3.jpg

Overall I'm pretty tickled with this. Since I'll be married to this on a Form 1, may as well do it different as well as functional.....

[Stickman]

Good info.

[GriffonSec]

A pic to explain the grip issue I had. I didn't have another MOE to use without taking it off another rifle, but the stock style grip shows the same "corner issue".

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/seekins-5.jpg

A shot with my only complete upper at the moment, the 16" midlength with 10" Lite rail: (can't do outside shots with the rain today, sorry for the quality)

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/seekins-6.jpg

Also, measurements for the front magwell width is 1.451" versus the stock magwell width of 1.076".

[TheGhazManCometh]

I'd definitely be interested in seeing more of this lower.

[federalist22]

I also picked up one of these as a base to build from and will post pics as I complete the lower and then the whole rifle.

I was going to put an MOE or MIAD grip on mine, but I have an Ergo that I will try fit on first to see how that works out--good to know that if I go Magpul on the grip that I may need to do some shaving to keep the ergonomic flow of the receiver at the trigger guard. Thanks.

[eternal24k]

I had the same grip issue with my APA lower, I filed down the front piece of my MIAD to accommodate the taper

[Stickman]

Here are a few additional images.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Parts%2C%20Mags%20%26%20Bayonets/Weapon%20parts/IMG_0091-1024-Stick.jpg



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_0105-1024-Stick.jpg

[Stickman]

A review is now up for the Seekins Billet Lower.



http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11696&posted=1#post11696

[federalist22]

I should have mine in hand this weekend from my FFL to start my build.

Already Procured:
- Seekins Precision Lower
- RRA LPK
- Sun Devil Upper w/ FA
- YHM 16" Chrome-lined Carbine Barrel
- DD Lite Rail 12
- DD Gas Block
- DD Sling Mount (ambi-burnsed loop)
- Magpul MIAD Grip
- Bushmaster 2-stage competition trigger w/ ambi-safety
- Misc items - bolt, bolt carriage, firing pin, charging handle with PRI combat big-latch, Magpul XTM rail covers, carbine length gas tube.

TBD Items Needed:
- Magpul stock (want UBR), buffer, buffer tube, MBUS, flash hider/compensator (leaning PWS), sight mount (will get ADM), FG (will get Bobro).

Probably a few things I need to do still. I'll post pics when completed

[GriffonSec]

My build is on hold waiting on the Rainier Billet upper and other paperwork. I'm waiting to see other builds with these.

[federalist22]

If you have not bought the Rainier upper yet, take a look at the lines of the Seekins lower and compare the symmetry of the cuts/grooves/edges on the Seekins to it, especially forward of the trigger guard, against the various cuts/grooves/edges of your prospective upper. The design of the Seekins is what made me go with the Sun Devil. I wanted a VLTOR, but the backlog of orders was one factor, but I also started looking at the symmetry of the VLTOR design against the Seekins and I think a few things were out of symmetry. I thought the Sun Devil would work better after some close examination. I guess I am being pretty anal here, but that's just my 2 cents. I will post pics of the Sun Devil on the Seekins as soon as my FFL calls me to pick up my lower receiver. I will make some annotations on the pics to show what I mean.

[FC1982]

I would like to see a picture of it mated to a MUR.

[Stickman]

I would like to see a picture of it mated to a MUR.



I'll see if I can dig one up.

[GriffonSec]

Fed - That has crossed my mind for the very same reasons.

[federalist22]

My FFL called, so I will pick up my Seekins tomorrow evening. I will go ahead and post pics of the Seekins with the Sun Devil sitting on top of it--unless Stick has a Sun Devil laying around to put on his Seekins.

What we are really looking for are the contours and beveling of the upper receiver's form and details like bumpouts and the continuation of lines from upper to lower, which I believe the Sun Devil and Seekins are both similar in that they lack many of the standard forms.

The big one for me on an upper is the bump outs forward of and above the bolt catch that runs down to the mag release on the left side. Note Stick's last pic on this page (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11696&posted=1#post11696). The Seekins uses a ridge that needs a flat sided or beveled edge upper to mate with. I think the VLTOR possesses some of these features I am looking to avoid. Also note the lines on the right side to the rear of the ejection port cover on a standard upper. These vertical edges on the standard upper look a little weird over the Seekins.

The Sun Devil uses a beveled seam where it mates to the lower with virtually no vertical lines that need to carry on downward to the lower receiver. Look at the Rainier pics of the Sun Devil - http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=1079.

I probably sound like a chick or something being so stuck on the aesthetics, but I want my first "from-scratch" build to be good.

[federalist22]

I'll see if I can dig one up.

Stick,

Would it be ok if I used one or two of your Seekins pics from the Seekins Review you posted so I can make some observations/annotations (circles/arrows/text) to point out the transition lines issues I am referring to in comparison between a standard upper, Sun Devil upper, and VLTOR upper?

I will post them to this thread if you don't mind--Stickman logos intact on the images.

- Adam

[Stickman]

Stick,

Would it be ok if I used one or two of your Seekins pics from the Seekins Review you posted so I can make some observations/annotations (circles/arrows/text) to point out the transition lines issues I am referring to in comparison between a standard upper, Sun Devil upper, and VLTOR upper?

I will post them to this thread if you don't mind--Stickman logos intact on the images.

- Adam


No problem at all, thanks for asking.

[federalist22]

I am posting (or reposting of Stick's images) to highlight what I was talking about earlier regarding the aesthetic line flow of various upper receivers mounted on top of a Seekins lower receiver. I think that the Sun Devil upper is an ideal match for the Seekins due to its lack of lines and its nice beveled edges where the receivers come together.

I will post more pics tonight or tomorrow of my Sun Devil on my Seekins after I pick up my Seekins lower from my FFL this evening.


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/RightSide_Seekins-1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/LeftSide_Seekins-1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/SunDevilUpper.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/VLTORUpper.jpg

[Stickman]

I've got some pictures shot, I'll try to get them resized and uploaded in a little bit.

[Stickman]

Seekins Billet Lower with SunDevil upper.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_0208-1024-Stick.jpg



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_0206-1024-Stick.jpg

[Stickman]

Seekins Billet Lower with Vltor MUR Upper.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_0212-1024-Stick.jpg




http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_0210-1024-stick.jpg

[federalist22]

Stick,

I guess nothing is perfect. Both look pretty good, both are much better looking with the Seekins than a standard upper.

I like the Sun Devil, not only because I have one, but because it seems to transition smoothly with the Seekins. Thanks for digging around to put these together.

- Adam

[FC1982]

Stick,

I guess nothing is perfect. Both look pretty good, both are much better looking with the Seekins than a standard upper.

I like the Sun Devil, not only because I have one, but because it seems to transition smoothly with the Seekins. Thanks for digging around to put these together.

- Adam

I agree, looks better with the Sun Devil. Thanks Stick.

[federalist22]

Just a few quick snapshots of my Seekins-SunDevil build.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/Seekins_SunDevilBuild1.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/Seekins_SunDevilBuild2.jpg

[federalist22]

Here is the build I just finished, except for my optic and forward grip. My friend and I each built one of these over the weekend. I am pretty pleased with the results and when I get my optic in a week or so I look forward to getting out the the range.

Components:
- Seekins Lower
- Sun Devil Upper
- YHM 16" 1:7 chrome-lined barrel
- Magpul MIAD grip
- Magpul CTR stock (I have an ACS on order, should arrive tomorrow)
- DD gas block
- DD sling mount
- DD M4 Rail - 12"
- Timney 3-lb Skeleton Trigger
- RRA LPK
- S&W Bolt Carriage (leftover from a piston mod of an M&P15)
- WOA Charging Handle
- CMT Bolt
- Magpul MBUS
- Magpul PMAG
- Magpul XTM Rail Covers
- Gear Sector ASP
- PWS FSC556 muzzle device

- *Optic will be Aimpoint
- *Optic Mount will be an ADM mount.
- *Forward grip will be Bobro Short.


http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/ARupdatePics005.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/ARupdatePics009.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/ARupdatePics006.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv358/federalist22/ARupdatePics008.jpg

[Creeky73]

Nice looking weapon. Good choice on the upper :)

I finally got my Sun Devil upper to actually fit on my RRA lower but it still has a big gap in the back, so I am back to square one on the lower. It looks like these two pieces mate together with no gaps. Very nice build.

[federalist22]

Thanks Creeky. Sorry to hear about the fitting issue you found. I will say that there is, at one angle, a sliver of gap where I can see light on the other side even with these components, but it is solid with no play.

[JustMatt]

I know this is a old thread but I was wondering how eveyone is still liking there Seekins Lowers? Any chance of a pic with a Seekins Lower and a Rainier Arms billet upper?

[Aragorn]

I had received one back in November. Problem was mine didn't fit PMAGS. It went back to the factory for the problem to be addressed. I DID I ask Glen if it was possible to have the full auto markings filled while it was there, and to his credit he agreed to do it free of charge. I didn't get my lower back until February. My PMAGS STILL didn't fit, and the fill job on the markings looked absolutely horrid. I got on the horn with him and he said ship it back again and send the problem mag (while NONE of my PMAGS fit), and he'd pay shipping both ways. As it turned out I had to pay shipping back to the factory anyways. Earlier this month I got tired of waiting for it (6 months from when I originally received it I STILL didn't have a functioning lower). He told me he'd send me a check, which I still haven't received. According to my inbox, that was 13 days ago. [bash]

Here's a quote from one of his emails after it went back the second time. "I have had your lower that was in spec, absolutely nothing wrong with it. Since 2/11 after sending it back to you the first time. The only mags that I could find that will not fit are the new Pmags and regardless of how they fit in your other lowers they are out of tolerance and should not have been released for sale. It is impossible for anyone to build a part, that is in spec and assume it will work with another part that is out of tolerance. That is why the spec is there."

Truth is the exact same PMAGS, to include the one I sent back with the lower, all fit perfectly in a the other lowers I tested them in. The other lowers I tried were a Noveske, and a S&W M&P. I even took the Seekins lower into my local gunstore to try out several of their PMAGS to see if mine were just oversized or something. None of them fit either, and that was AFTER I got it back the first time. A pity. I had truly been excited about using one of those lowers. I think they're GREAT looking. I'm now building up a DD lower. I want something that I KNOW will function with my mags. Cheaper is better as well now that my wife is pregnant with our first.

[yxl2]

i wanted one so bad, but they were $300+. Now I see them for $250 and dont need it anymore....

[JustMatt]

Hmm, thanks for the info. Sorry to hear about your issue with the Seekins lower. I love the way they look but don't know about the customer service now. I know that Spikes Tactical has a new billet lower and upper coming out and one of there guys told me that Seekins is making there lower for them. I saw it at the local gun show a few weeks back and it looks awesome but I guess time will tell. For now I think I will keep my POF billet lower for my current build. Congrats on your baby by the way.

[TripleBravo]

I've had noting but positive experiences dealing with Seekins. They are making the new billet reciever offerings from Spikes Tactical as well as the new rails Spikes will soon be offering. Probably should be its own thread, but here's a sneak peak:

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/Spikes%20Tactical%20BioHazard%20Billet/recieversnbBCG02.jpg

[Stickman]

Please start a new thread on the new product, that way people can find it when they do a search. :P

[.338]

Anyone have any pics of the Seekins lower and a Mega Mono Upper? Just wondering.

[Killerwaffles]

Has anyone seen a black rain upper on the seekins precision lower. Those two look like they are abpretty good match

[Killerwaffles]

Can anyone get a black rain ordnance upper paired with a seekins precision lower?

[EODcrawler]

If you're interested, Seekins Precision just came out with their own billet upper. My uncle just received mine in the mail and from the few pics he sent me, IT'S SEXY. It looks a lot like the Spike's Tactical upper but without the "ridge" that lines up with the mag well in front of the bolt catch. They don't offer them on their website though. I had to phone my order in. Mine will be joined to a Seekins lower for my SBR build that I'm working on. I'll see if I can get a good pic attached.

[TripleBravo]

If you're interested, Seekins Precision just came out with their own billet upper. My uncle just received mine in the mail and from the few pics he sent me, IT'S SEXY. It looks a lot like the Spike's Tactical upper but without the "ridge" that lines up with the mag well in front of the bolt catch. They don't offer them on their website though. I had to phone my order in. Mine will be joined to a Seekins lower for my SBR build that I'm working on. I'll see if I can get a good pic attached.

Seekins is working on a new website. The uppers should be available to order on the website, once it's up and running.

[TripleBravo]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5072/5896606560_9395c43084_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/triplebravo/5896606560/)
Seekins Precision... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/triplebravo/5896606560/) by Triple Bravo (http://www.flickr.com/people/triplebravo/), on Flickr

[TripleBravo]

Here's the Seekins Precision Upper on their Gen 2 lower...

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/Seekins%20Precision%20Gen2%20Lower/SeekinsGen2Set-left-1024.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/Seekins%20Precision%20Gen2%20Lower/SeekinsGen2Set-right-1024.jpg

[EODcrawler]

Triple Bravo,

Do you know if Seekins will offer the non-Spike's version of the SAR and BAR on their new webite. I'm going for a complete Seekins billet build and I'd like to get one without the Spike's spider on the rear if I can. BTW, that's the first pic I've seen of a Seekins upper and lower together. That looks amazing. I'm so ready to get back and finish my SBR build.

Eric

[TripleBravo]

Triple Bravo,

Do you know if Seekins will offer the non-Spike's version of the SAR and BAR on their new webite. I'm going for a complete Seekins billet build and I'd like to get one without the Spike's spider on the rear if I can. BTW, that's the first pic I've seen of a Seekins upper and lower together. That looks amazing. I'm so ready to get back and finish my SBR build.

Eric

It's my understanding that they will only be available through Spike's Tactical. The Seekins Precision website will have them listed, but when you click to buy it, it will take you to the Spike's Tactical website.

That said, you might try giving them a call to ask. I believe the logo is added after they arrive at Spike's Tactical. Spike's might sell you one without the logo.

[Cutnmuffinz]

I have a seekins gen 2 and got it at rainier arms for $245. They should have it if you don't want the spikes stamp on it. I have a mega mono quad gen 2 attached to it. I'll post picks for those who want to see them together when I get a chance. I will say that the fit is VERY snug. I have to give it a good yank after pulling the pins to get them apart.

[Hatter]

I spoke with Rainier last night about possibly buying a Adams Arms Evo Ultralite in parts to assemble it with a Seekins upper. Unfortunately I'd have to swap out the uppers after I ordered it. The rep at Rainier did mention that some uppers are slated to be sent to Rainier but they don't know when as Glen told them this a while ago and have no order confirmation yet.

Seeing as Spikes is currently out of stock as well... I'm playing the waiting game on my 3 gun build.

[gunnman9797]

hi guys im new to the forum but i was lookin on line last night and stumbled across this lower and by the way the pics look sic. im wondering if anyone has seen pics or even tried out a seekins gen2 lower with an adams arms 5.56 nato tactical elite carbine or mid length upper. and is it possible to use the aa piston parts barrel and all but with the seekins upper reciever? any info would be great! thanks

[Killerwaffles]

I have a Noveske 10.5 upper with switchblock and a seekins lower but i dont like how they look together. Does anyone know if the noveske parts will fit with the Seekins upper?