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tac40
6 August 2009, 12:01
Ladies & Gentlemen,

In the good old days before the AR or plastic guns, let's turn back the clock when a knife, pistol and a rilfe were the everyday carry. Let's see your old school technology folks.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4974.jpg

Colt 1911, Browning 1886 45/70 and a Lamey Bowie knife.

Stickman
6 August 2009, 12:26
Time for me to dig a little....

tac40
6 August 2009, 12:53
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4979.jpg

A classic match up and my grandfather's pocket watch from the 1900's

Stickman
6 August 2009, 16:21
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Old%20School/0O2P0256-1024-Stick.jpg

m24shooter
6 August 2009, 17:21
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1246.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1247.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1244.jpg

federalist22
6 August 2009, 18:38
The oldest weapon I have is a WWII-era Rock-ola (all-Rock-ola very close to correct grade) M1 Carbine.

I cannot even compete in this game here. Nice weapons you have there!

Stickman
6 August 2009, 21:43
Post it, that 1911 is at least as much of a classic.

Stickman
6 August 2009, 21:48
I wish these were vintage.... but they are still fun to shoot.


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3523/3795990357_16526c64f9_o.jpg

Army Chief
7 August 2009, 00:48
When I get back, I should be able to offer a couple of 1897 Winchesters and my grandfather's boyhood Page-Lewis Model A Target .22 squirrel gun from the early '20s. It is interesting in that it is the only firearm I own which was manufactured and sold without a serial number.

For the moment, the best that I could manage would be a P-08. It isn't terribly pretty, but the numbers are all matching. :)

AC

Buetang
7 August 2009, 05:49
Posted this in the hand gun thread, guess it belongs here too.
Ithaca 1911 - Recovered from a burned down farm house by my grandfather, coincidentally after he returned from Korea as well. My uncle got his Army issued Colt, unfortunately no photos of that.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/3117582548_5fb11f3a08_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/3116756419_e4a4a7df56_b.jpg

tac40
7 August 2009, 08:35
very nice

tac40
7 August 2009, 08:37
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4970.jpg


color picture of the original picture

tac40
7 August 2009, 11:01
I appreciate everyones input. As I look at the history of firearms and the innovations used, one can only imagine the rich history behind each firearms shown. The manual of arms used by the soldier, cowboy, farmer, and citizen to fire the weapon for defense, hunting and warfare.

Each firearm shown displays different types of technology from flintlock, percussion and self contained metallic cartridge. I am happy to share some of the firearms that I have come across.

In days of old, it was a common sight for the soldier, hunter, cowboy and citizen to have in his possession a good knife, pistol and rilfe for their protection and survival.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Starr1839.jpg

Starr musket 1839 flintock technology pre-civil war era

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Springfield-3.jpg

Springfield 1861 percussion musket civil war era

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Springfield-5.jpg

Springfield trapdoor musket post civil war era

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Spencer-1.jpg

Spencer repeating rilfe civil war era firing a metallic cartridge

tac40
7 August 2009, 11:10
Old school pocket pistols, perhaps not alway a pocket pistol. The pocket pistol was carried for protection. Not always quick to get to but perhaps alway reassuring for the soldier, cowboy, hunter and citizen.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/1848HAston.jpg

1848 H Aston percussion pistol 54 caliber

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/pepperbox-3.jpg

Pepperbox pistol



http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/ColtDerringer.jpg

Colt Derringer

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt-2.jpg

Revolver

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/BritishBulldog450.jpg

British Bulldog revolver

tac40
7 August 2009, 11:25
Whether the revolver was a Colt , Remington Merwin & Hulbert or European made, the revolver was a marvel in technology over the flintlock or percussion pistols of earlier times.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt1851.jpg

Colt 1851

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/1858Remington44.jpg

Remington 1854


http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt186044caliber.jpg

Colt 1861

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Kerrrevolver.jpg

Kerr revolver

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/MerwinHulbert44.jpg

Merwin & Hulbert 44 caliber

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/SW188144cal.jpg

S&W 1881 Model 3

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Lefaucheux.jpg

LeFaucheux revolver pin & cap technology

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Coltdoubleaction.jpg

Colt double action

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/ColtThunderer.jpg

Colt Thunderer

m24shooter
7 August 2009, 12:26
Whether the revolver was a Colt , Remington Merwin & Hulbert or European made, the revolver was a marvel in technology over the flintlock or percussion pistols of earlier times.
And that is part of the reason my son is named Samuel Walker.

tac40
8 August 2009, 09:26
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt1873.jpg

Colt Peacemaker 44/40

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt1873-2.jpg

Colt Peacemaker 44/40

Well over 130 yrs old, this pistol is functional and just as deadly in 1873 as it is today. This is a testimony to the quality, workmanship and technology of Colt

tac40
8 August 2009, 09:32
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_3672.jpg

Something I found while doing research on the pistols.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/SW.jpg

S&W pocket pistol-note the ejector style vs Colt, 22 caliber



http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Remingtonderringer.jpg

Remington Derringer 41 caliber-The Wild Wild West

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/robertconrad27.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/sleeve_gun_device.jpg Sleeve gun device

Wild Wild West, 1960's TV western, For you TV guys from the 60's "James West" ( Robert Conrad ) and "Artemus Gordon" ( Ross Martin ), Agent West carried a Derringer in his sleeve.

tac40
12 August 2009, 12:07
1953 Garand M1 30-06

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4994.jpg

rilfe, ammo & bayonet, ready to go

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5000.jpg

Grumpy old men with M1 Garands

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/LErmeyMailCallsGunnywithhisM1.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Clint.jpg

tac40
12 August 2009, 12:11
Before the AR became mainstream in the law enforcement community, the Ruger Mini-14 223 GB was used.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4988.jpg

sjohnny
12 August 2009, 17:57
After looking at tac40's stuff I was almost embarrassed to post this.... almost
Not terribly vintage but vintage tech just the same. The 94 was made in 1974 and the 19-4 was made in 1979.
http://www.geocities.com/warrior_1972/9419.jpg

M4tographer
13 August 2009, 20:07
Looks like mine, Stick. Rifle or carbine?


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Old%20School/0O2P0256-1024-Stick.jpg

tac40
1 September 2009, 09:57
Before the Safariland 070 level 3 holster, my department issued the old clam holster. Here's mine. If you remember Adam 12, LAPD used this holster as well.
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5053.jpg B&W photo

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5045.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5046.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5050.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/adam121773.jpg Look at that holster

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/A-12-9872-0007.jpg

What were the Officers names?

Army Chief
1 September 2009, 10:17
1953 Garand M1 30-06
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5000.jpg

Looks like I still need to get a bandolier and a bayonet, but prime condition Garands are truly works of art. I've got a CMP Springfield from roughly the same vintage.

AC

tac40
2 September 2009, 09:43
When Colts were a common sight, worn on the hips of our troops and cops. A deadly combo. Note the "BB" series on the Colt 1911, a rare find.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4707.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_4724.jpg Colt Trooper 357

tac40
2 September 2009, 09:52
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt1902-2.jpg

Colt 1902 38 ACP , this pistol later grew up to the 1905 model, a 45 caliber weapon and later the 1911

tac40
3 September 2009, 11:32
Before VHS and DVD, there were books and books help me to learn the art of
pistol handling.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5068.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5072-1.jpg

Yes the late Bill Jordan signed this book.

tac40
4 September 2009, 15:46
Colt Peacemaker 45 LC priceless

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5105.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5098.jpg

A timeless piece

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5088.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5087.jpg

Original box, you're not reading the price wrong, $125.00
At todays price, priceless.

tac40
21 September 2009, 12:02
S&W Model 28-2

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5241.jpg

The S&W 28-2, one of my favorite revolvers, this was carried by some of the older officers when I started in law enforcement.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/SWpicture.jpg

S&W ad, back in the day. I wished I'd pay $90.00 for mine.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5245.jpg
S&W 27 6" Nickel, my partner's wife who worked for the Sheriff's depart carried the S&W 27, she wouldn't sell it to me :(


http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5233.jpg

S&W revolvers before locks and plastic.

tac40
21 September 2009, 12:06
2 Colt 1911 Government Models, post WW II/pre-70 series.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5228.jpg

tac40
22 September 2009, 19:12
Size it up but the old Colt Detective has character.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_3695.jpg Colt Detective

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5247.jpg Colt Cobra

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5248.jpg Colt Cobra

Hollywood loves Colt snubbies

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/jackwebb.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/JamesGarner.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/bullittgun.jpg

tac40
23 September 2009, 22:05
Since I haven't shown to many blades, I asked my friend if I can sneak a peek into his collection, some very old school combo here.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5260.jpg

A Scottish Basket Hilt sword

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5242.jpg

English flintock pistol

tac40
24 September 2009, 19:52
Japanese Matchlock rifle & sword, my friend's collection.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5265.jpg


http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5259.jpg

sjohnny
26 September 2009, 10:21
My great grandfather was the Sheriff of a Texas Hill Country county back in the 1930s. This is one of his guns and his handcuffs with a picture of him in a display box I built for my dad a couple of years ago.
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/keggius/grandpasgun.jpg

tac40
30 September 2009, 09:06
S&W model 10 6 shot 38 spl 2 1/2" bbl, our detectives use to carry these.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5251.jpg

tac40
9 October 2009, 14:22
My buddy from across the bay, SFPD old school "Magnum Force".
S&W Model 19, 4" bbl 357 Magnum, standard carry for officers back
in the day. The S&W Model 19 with the department issued Hoyt holster.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5383.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5387.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5388.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5389.jpg

The crowd pleaser, "Dirty Harry" S&W Model 29, 6 1/2 bbl 44 Magnum,
his other gun. I guess he's dating himself :P

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5113.jpg

tac40
13 October 2009, 18:21
The S&W with a modern knife, a Grayman Darfur Defender.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/IMG_5419.jpg

sjohnny
13 October 2009, 18:35
1964 vintage 10-6. I bought this from a friend not too long ago. The backstrap is stamped BP and a number. My friend bought it in Arizona in 1979 from a place that did a lot of police surplus sales. It had rubber grips on it when I got it but I slapped these $5.00 ebay specials on it.
http://i609.photobucket.com/albums/tt176/keggius/DSCF0327.jpg

fmkenner
13 October 2009, 23:57
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt96/fmkenner/13.jpg
Tac40 wow, nice history. Theses aren't originals but I belong to a black powder club where I shoot them. Yes I love the history behind them.
Pennsylvania .50 cal Flintlock
.62 cal Flintlock hand made by T Garner
Crockett .32 Percussion
Mountian .50 cal Percussion
Double barrel 12ga Percussion

fmkenner
14 October 2009, 00:01
http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt96/fmkenner/19.jpg
Trapper .50 cal Flintlock
Crockett .32 cal Percussion
I'm currently building a .62 cal French Tulle Flintlock (1750 era)

aflineman
14 October 2009, 07:29
My Grandfather's old Colt 2nd Generation in .357mag.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/AFLineman/DSC03087.jpg

tac40
14 October 2009, 09:11
R Lee Emery has a show called "Lock N' Load" on the history channel, this is similar to his other show called "Mail Call". I love how they show the history and function of the swords, knives, revolvers, pistols, rifles, canons and assorted vehicles/gears. A fun show which highlights the history of arms.

Each of the firearms and assorted swords/knife shown have some history, whether for hunting, law enforcement, warfare or defense, each piece holds a meaning, a personal treasure, and needless to say our passion for history and arms. If you have firearms whether a re-production or authentic piece, I am grateful for your interest. Be safe.

Gunny & I, white paint to match my white hair, I'm getting to old for
this job [BD]

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/megunny.jpg

tac40
19 December 2009, 08:29
The older they get, the better I feel. A Colt 1911 MK IV Series 70 GM, made in 1973, 1 of 8600 that year.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/IMG_5533.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/IMG_5543.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/IMG_5536.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/IMG_5540.jpg

Quib
24 April 2010, 17:17
As a teenager back in the early 80’s, I built this Colt Navy .44 from a Connecticut Valley Arms kit.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4061/4548966139_1ca1dfe563_o.png

tac40
25 April 2010, 07:37
Quib, I gotta hook up with you and invite you over to my friend's place, very cool pistol. Be safe.

Quib
25 April 2010, 08:09
Thanks. [:)]

Quib
25 April 2010, 15:57
Every time I see that scene from Red Dawn, I think of this pistol, my Grand Daddy’s S&W Mod. 10-5.

My Grandfather recognized at an early age, my appreciation for firearms. And much to my fathers disliking, Grandpa willed his firearms to me when he passed.

Don’t worry Grandpa, they’re still in good hands. [:)]


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/4552120153_b08f9ab0b2_o.png

tac40
2 May 2010, 10:31
A Colt "Shane" would love.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201873%20SAA%20Peacemaker%2045LC/Photo0032.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201873%20SAA%20Peacemaker%2045LC/Colts.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201873%20SAA%20Peacemaker%2045LC/colt004.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201873%20SAA%20Peacemaker%2045LC/colt006.jpg

tac40
2 May 2010, 10:35
A Colt 1911 built for me by Mr Richard Heinie, thank you Sir.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/DSC_0671.jpg

eldogg
3 May 2010, 16:37
how about a 1953 marlin 39a.
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/eldogg/marlin001.jpg

tac40
12 June 2010, 18:20
OK, so we talked about plastic toys, here's my latest toy, a buddy wanted to get rid of his G26-only a few rds fired, I found a new home for it, the price was well let's say it didn't break my wallet.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/gen4%20Glock%2022/LaurensCastle004.jpg

tac40
23 July 2010, 14:29
The reliable HK 45

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/HK45014.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201911/HK45008.jpg

m24shooter
24 July 2010, 06:56
I have been looking for one of those Guns and Coffee motos forever.
Got the NSR already.

tac40
24 July 2010, 11:55
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Sig%20229/Sig229003.jpg

M24 shoot me a PM and I'll get one to you.

Fred_G
25 July 2010, 16:14
Let me see if I can get a photo to work... Can't shoot this gun too often, the recoil is fierce. [:D]http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx206/FredG_album/DSCN0486.jpg

tac40
27 July 2010, 18:29
I love old Colts, thanks for sharing.

tac40
27 July 2010, 18:32
Some more Colts, This is for Gunny, "Get Some" Semper-Fi carry on.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Coins/Getsome003.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Coins/Getsome005.jpg

tac40
4 August 2010, 18:13
After watching Lock-n-load with Gunny, I had to go out and find another lever action rifle. I found this Browning 92 44 mag. baby sister to the 1886.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201873%20SAA%20Peacemaker%2045LC/ARlock009.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Colt%201873%20SAA%20Peacemaker%2045LC/ARlock011.jpg

tac40
8 September 2010, 19:14
So I was walking down the hall and realized our 1st motorcycle squad was officers riding Indian motorcycles and carrying S&W 38 spl.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/gen4%20Glock%2022/Sgts2006.jpg

Quib
8 September 2010, 19:24
So I was walking down the hall and realized our 1st motorcycle squad was officers riding Indian motorcycles and carrying S&W 38 spl.


Nice!! I really enjoy looking at old photos of that type!

Your reference to walking down the hall, and seeing this photo, reminds me of walking down the hall of my Brigade HQ's in Germany. Lining the hallway for the length of the building, were photos of the airfield during the time it was operated by the Luftwaffe, and after the US occupation.

It's kind of neat to see a photo of a ME109 parked on the ramp in front of the hanger that your unit currently operates out of.

Cameron
9 September 2010, 19:46
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2574/4150053141_99bc532d7e_b.jpg
1930 & 1943


1943 Remington Rand 1911A1
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4877909461_a38c64b13b_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4878518158_66729687c9_b.jpg

Old Smith
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/4878518226_3c9c921b91_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4877909631_dd379ae8d5_b.jpg

tac40
9 September 2010, 20:04
Ahhhh, Winchester 1897 & 1911, very cool. Looks like the S&W 28 been around the block.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Coins/housefire005.jpg

If anyone can identify the motors, the picture was dated 1912, 6 yrs after the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

m24shooter
10 September 2010, 06:44
Those may be Indians. Indian had the largest share of the market from 1901 to WWI with there being something like under 20 manufacturers at that time.
My grandfather used to race Indians and later Harleys.

sjohnny
10 September 2010, 08:23
If it was 1902 they are most likely Indians. Harley wasn't making anything like that unitl a couple of years later if I remember right.

Quib
10 September 2010, 10:13
Ahhhh, Winchester 1897 & 1911, very cool. Looks like the S&W 28 been around the block.

If anyone can identify the motors, the picture was dated 1902, 4 yrs before the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

Does your Department still occupy this building?

tac40
10 September 2010, 20:38
The building was the original city hall and is now a historical building housing the school district and city council chambers.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Coins/housefire007.jpg

Here's a picture from 1955 with Harleys and if you look carefully a 6" S&W 38 spl. Our 50's uniform color and look were similar to CHP, back in the day as they say.

Quib
10 September 2010, 21:00
That's nice to hear that the building still exists and is still in use.

I love comparing old photos like that to present day.....

m24shooter
11 September 2010, 04:19
Oh man that looks like a swivel holster too.
I had some relatives that used to use those. My uncle had one as late as the early 80s with HPD.
How solid is your info that it was 1902? The reason I ask is that the gas tanks actually look like a later model Indian gas tank.

tac40
11 September 2010, 05:55
The original picture has a date written on it-writing style and ink looks very old, our depart historian had been saving, collecting and researching the material and validated many of the pictures, uniforms and gear dating back to the early 1900's

You guys were RIGHT, I had to re-check and use my reading glasses to get clarity of the writing, damn my aging eyes.
The picture is 1912, more then likely an Indian motorcycle.

m24shooter
11 September 2010, 06:11
They may not be Indians then. The 02 Indian looked like a bike. The 1912 had a tank very much like the ones in your pic. However I can't make enough of the details out to see for sure. The tires on the 02 Indian also were a lot thinner, more like you would see on a 10 speed and not the current heavily built models. The wheels and tires in the pic are closer to the '12 model.
But if you're sure it is 1902 I don't think it is an Indian.

tac40
11 September 2010, 21:54
Original CSI early 1900's , our old booking room and crime lab.

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Ferrari017.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Ferrari016.jpg

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/Ferrari020.jpg

Note in the picture, a height measuring wall scale, now displayed in our building.

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Old school Criminologist would measure your facial features and compare it with the pictures of what would be considered criminal features-ear, nose, mouth size, etc.

m24shooter
12 September 2010, 09:44
Awesome.

The-S
13 September 2010, 06:46
Just picked up this little guy yesterday

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Lancelot
18 September 2010, 09:46
I want one of these.....

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tac40
26 September 2010, 07:42
I read this article and my first thoughts, the old stuff works, where they get the ammo, and OMG. Go to the link to look at the photos. My point, old school works even in todays high tech weapons. It doesn't hurt to keep that M1 Garand or Springfield around.

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/15/whats-inside-a-taliban-gun-locker/

What’s Inside a Taliban Gun Locker?
By C.J. CHIVERS

Since last year, The New York Times and At War have taken several different looks at insurgent arms and munitions in Afghanistan, which can yield information about how insurgents equip themselves and fight, and how the Taliban has been able to maintain itself as a viable force for more than 15 years.


The New York Times

Today the blog will turn back to this pursuit with another sampling of data from Marja, the area in Helmand Province that has seen some of the most sustained insurgent fighting of 2010. In this case, early this summer, the civilian law enforcement liaison working with the Marines of Third Battalion, Sixth Marines, along with the battalion’s gunner, had in their custody 26 firearms and an RPG-7 launcher captured from Taliban fighters or collected from caches.


Of these weapons, 12 were variants of the Kalashnikov assault rifle, 8 were bolt-action rifles from World War II or earlier, 4 were variants of the PK machine gun, and 2 were small semiautomatic pistols. This was in some ways a typical mix for Afghanistan, although the ratio of bolt-action rifles was higher than what many units outside of Helmand Province have seen.

The ratio is interesting and aligns with the experience of patrolling in and near Marja and other contested areas nearby. Insurgents in Helmand Province seem to have used bolt-action rifles more than in many regions of Afghanistan. Whether this indicates a pressure on the supply of assault rifles and their ammunition or a preference for the longer effective ranges of Lee-Enfield and Mosin-Nagant rifles is not clear. But the longer range of bolt-action rifles compared with assault rifles, and their relative abundance in Helmand Province, is a reason this particular acreage of Afghanistan has a reputation as being plagued by a more dangerous set of Afghan marksmen, and even a few snipers, as seen in this video. For those who have been under fire in Helmand, finding that a large fraction of captured rifles are Lee-Enfields or Mosin-Nagants is not surprising. This battalion’s battlefield collections fit its Marines’ experiences on patrol.

Moving past these ratios, the characteristics of individual weapons also provided clues to the Taliban’s behavior and state of equipment and supply, and to the nature of the infantry arms loose in the Afghan countryside. Note the stock of one of the machine guns, below.

A machine gun with a cracked stock and a jury-rigged repair.As was typical of many older PK-variant machine guns, the stock was made of laminated wood — plywood, essentially. And some time ago it had been snapped. But whoever was responsible for it had cobbled it back in place with the help of two strips of sheet metal and a handful of light nails. There was still play in the stock, and this would undermine its accuracy. But the weapon could be used.

Does this say something of the insurgents’ resourcefulness? Or of the insurgency’s limited means? Maybe both.

Now look at this assault rifle, below, an original AK-47 with a solid steel receiver. Its date and factory stampings reveal that it had been manufactured in 1954 in the Soviet Union’s main Kalashnikov plant at the mammoth gunworks at Izhevsk.

An AK-47 assault rifle; pitted, weathered, stock removed, but still functional.Look at it closely. Its exterior is heavily pitted and corroded. I disassembled this rifle, and inside, where it most counts, its operating system — the integrated gas piston and bolt carrier, the trigger assembly, etc. — had been oiled and were only lightly pitted. Someone had been tending to its guts, if not its skin.

In Marja, which is a populated patch of steppe astride a huge irrigation works built decades ago by the United States, the Marines sometimes find weapons hidden in canals. This weapon could have been submerged for some time before being retrieved for use, and considering what it seems to have been through, that 1954 manufacturing stamp impresses. The weapon, a rifle that came off assembly lines a year after Stalin died, was fully functional at age 56 and was still in service this year in war against the West.

Does that seem old? Now look at the date stamps on one of the bolt-action Lee-Enfields, below.

The factory stampings on a Lee-Enfield bolt-action rifle. Made by the Crown, in Taliban service now.You read that right: 1915.

This rifle was made while Kitchener’s New Army was being drilled and sent to the Western Front. It was 95 years old when it changed hands once again, and ended up in the custody of the Marines.

The paired Lee-Enfields and Kalashnikovs in Marja say as much about the nature of these weapons, and their ammunition, as they do about the Taliban. The Lee-Enfield and Kalashnikov lines were made by the millions, and both are noted for reliability and durability. These two facts have made them, in the eyes of people who carry or face them in war after war, either remarkable tools or a scourge.

And along with the Mosin-Nagant rifles that also turn up in Taliban caches, they and their ammunition are markers of old empires and the standardization of cartridges that accompanied war in the 20th century. That leads to the next point: Cartridge standardization between units and among allies — meaning, fielding many weapons that all fire the same ammunition — was intended to make logistics less complicated for conventional armies and their nations.

It has been a boon for insurgents, too.

For the 24 rifles and machine guns in the locker, produced in multiple nations over many decades, only three types of cartridges are required to feed them — the Lee-Enfields fire the .303, the Kalashnikovs fire the 7.62×39-millimeter round, and the PK machine guns and Mosin-Nagant fire the 7.62×54R round that has been issued to Slavic forces since the 1890s in Imperial Russia.

All of these facts and factors might seem arcane. They are not.

Together the technical qualities of these rifles and the thinking behind them, along with the quality of their manufacture and the relative simplicity of their ammunition resupply, have helped a largely illiterate insurgent movement not just to exert its will on its own country, but also to stand up to the most sophisticated military in the world.

(Blog posts have their space limits. I have posted more images from the evidence locker, and more information, on www.cjchivers.com.)