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17 January 2010, 21:51
Magpul Dynamics Hyper Violent Weapons Manipulation
Hosted byNOLATAC Firearms Training, New Orleans, LA (http://www.nolatac.com)
Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office, Walker, LA
January 5-7, 2010
Instructor: The Costa
AAR: Brannon LeBouef & William Phebus of NOLATAC Firearms Training
NOLATAC FaceBook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Metairie-LA/NOLATAC-Firearms-Training/82399664954?ref=ts)
See previous AAR’s here:
Magpul Dynamics Carbine 1&2-
REVIEW ON AR15.COM (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=9&f=19&t=228434)
BAYOUSHOOTER.COM (http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26891)
Upcoming Classes—
HANDGUN II / Shotgun (http://www.nolatac.com/Specialty_Classes.html)
Please keep in mind that this class is directly geared toward LE/MIL only from the perspective of an active shooter response (or hyper-violent killer as they are called now). While Magpul Dynamics does not necessarily forbid non-LEO from attending, the range we used did have a LEO only policy. We did have some DOD and .mil personnel also. Sheriff’s range—Sheriff’s rules ;)
We utilized the Livingston parish Sheriff’s Office (LPSO) Range in Walker, LA. Sheriff Graves and his staff were beyond hospitable. They provided and ensured seamless logistics and cooked us delicious hot lunches on those three cold days. Very special thanks to Clint Gray, Turtle, and all the other guys from LPSO for ensuring that we did not want for anything and all details were taken care of. A big thanks also to the Louisiana Tactical Police Officers Association (LTPOA), who in conjunction with LPSO, donated and cooked, all lunches for us. We were also invited to attend the Sheriff’s monthly prayer breakfast on TD2. All in all, great facility, great friends.
TD1- 24 degrees Fahrenheit
TD1 started with the normal administrative paperwork, waivers, safety briefs, etc... Yea right, we were deputies, officers, military contractors, STOP… Never forget to be safe. When running the line as Magpul Dynamics does, safety is key.
About 0900 we got out onto the range, and it was cold, about 32 degrees at this point, with a slight North wind, Louisiana overnight got punched in the gut by an arctic blast. Great!! Most were prepared, but it sure was cold.
In most LE roles such as patrol and investigations, handguns are primary until the deployment of carbines/shotguns, Costa wanted to make sure everyone was up to speed on basic handgun skills. The normal drills were done; some fixes were made, holsters repositioned.
While this class is not billed as an “advanced” class, it is definitely not for beginners. In order to get the most out of the training, students should have the basics squared away. There will always be some tweaking and “ahh-ha” moments, but this is a fast paced, movements based class.
After getting everyone on the same page with handguns, we moved on to the balance of Speed and Accuracy (BSA) drill. From this point on many shooters found that what they have been doing wasn’t quite as efficient as what was being shown. We had some things to fix, so TD1 was much like a collaborative Carbine I/II in an 8 hour period. While none of the students were new to the carbine, several were new to the grip and hand placement techniques taught by Magpul Dynamics.
TD1 ended around 1700. After getting washed up, we headed over to Long Horn Steakhouse where we had reservations. We enjoyed a small group dinner, some frosty beverages, and some frosty steaks for some LOL, and rested for TD2.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2707/4283352581_235e52ca46_o.jpg
(Uhhhh Chris…… a little LESS personal attention from the instructor.)
TD2- 30 degrees Fahrenheit
TD2 was nicer. The sun was out so much that Costa complained about the position. At one point, I thought he was going to flame up and move it. Many equipment problems surfaced, this day, primarily with DPMS rifles. I was running my new blaster from Spikes Tactical (literally out the box the week prior to this class) without a hiccup.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4255901552_8d15710be8_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/4265239655_578e75564b_o.jpg
Read the review of the rifle HERE (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=282&t=183568).
The DPMS rifles simply did not want to eat the Winchester Q3131 ammo that the LPSO guys were feeding it. We spread some magazines of it out and every other rifle ate it up, but the DPMS’s simply turned their noses up at it. Since these were shorty rifles, many suspected that the shorter gas tube was just not agreeing with the ammo selection and possibly the extreme weather played a part…who knows?
We moved into the core of the class--moving and shooting, singles, pairs, teams, multiple targets, running over berms, shooting from all positions, using verbal and other senses, to key in on your team. TD2 was a beater, the weather was nice… But wait, it is suppose to SNOW on TD3.
While as chilly as it was, a hot shower is always nice. Again we planned a group dinner, as Costa is not a mythological creature, nor is the beard… Magpul Dynamics are regular guys, with a particular set of skills. We ate dinner at the Bass Pro Shop Restaurant with most students and the range personnel in attendance…about 20 guys.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4283389827_fbe14270fe_o.png
(Apparently Chris is a little confused while running the Timer through a tough T&E)
TD3- 34 degrees Fahrenheit
TD3... Burrrrrr….. It is raining, sleet at some points, and we are shooting and moving A LOT just to stay warm.. I decided to switch over from my carbine and run a few drills with my Benelli since this will always be in my trunk to respond to a Hyper-violent criminal. I personally wanted to see how I would do… Being that I am cross eye dominant, I shoot rifle sights left eye, optics right eye. This aided in the shotgun phase, since my reloads were fast back on target….
Costa, then asked to shoot my boom stick…. This was a mistake... It was violated in so many ways that I will not be able to duplicate in the near future.
After Costa embarrassed me with the Benelli, the rains really started to poor. Now most of the class was tactical guys, contractors, you know…real operators, but hey—we can be cold or we can be wet, but we ain’t being both. LOL. The weather really started to get bad as we ate lunch. At that point the class made a decision, based mostly on safety, to cut the day short.
We had some pretty killer drills set up with multiple vehicles and obstacles, but it was time to call it a day. We concluded with the presentation of the certificates and a friendly game of White Elephant (or Dirty Santa) with the substantial table of gear donated by various vendors. Details below.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4265236537_0f1cb360d2_o.jpg
Stock in Benelli has gone up 15 points since chatter has hit the interwebs.
Lunches:
What can I say about that? In Louisiana we know how to eat, and specifically our classes are known for the eats offered. Prepared by the LPSO our menu consisted daily of:
TD1:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2779/4283389977_c42aa98d64_o.png
BBQ Chicken, Smoked Sausage, Deer Sausage, Salad, Meaty BBQ Beans
TD2:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/4284134264_2767eae162_o.png
Meat/Potato Stew, Creamed Corn, and Pineapple upside down cake
Sorry, too busy eating stew to TAKE PICS.
Prayer breakfast-
Sausage
Biscuits
Eggs
Juice
TD3:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4284134410_f71c4fc3a8_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2703/4283390427_d4d1897c38_o.png
Best cold weather food of all
Chicken and Sausage Gumbo, Candied Yams
Since Costa was ill during the first course, he missed out on the “brownies” prepared by our dear friends, as a special treat we arranged for this to happen. Everyone in the class was overcome with ohhh’s and ahhh’s.
(This is a NOLATAC sponsored class favorite)
Door Prizes:
There cannot be enough said, about those who care and support those who protect us at home and abroad. Being a primarily law enforcement class, many vendors were more than generous to support our first responders and front line warriors.
With that said, the response from the weapons industry was outstanding. This is partly due to the great business partnerships that Magpul and Magpul Dynamics has with industry professionals. As soon as we told them we were seeking donations for LE taking a Magpul class, they gave with open hearts.
Not to mention, Magpul Dynamics gave each student a FREE PMAG, AFG, patches, and stickers.
Primary Weapon Systems: (16) FSC556 Muzzle Brakes
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4283390521_8cc2a13c9f_o.png
Surefire:
M300A Scout Light
X300 Weapon Light
E1B Backup Light
Hats
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4283390597_c0475ce97a_o.png
Larue Tactical:
(2) LT-104 Gift Certificates Paid in Full
Hats
Dilio Dust
Dilio’s
Stickers
Catalogs
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4284134826_7c73bd3105_o.png
Brownell’s:
AR15 Field Armor’s Kit, Takedown Levers, Armorer’s Blocks, Weapons Lube
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2771/4283390881_542d0d51fc_o.png
Daniel Defense:
Drop in Carbine Length Rail System
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4283390965_5e50827f45_o.png
5.11 Tactical:
Weapons Case (Rifle)
Bail Out Bag (PUSH Pack)
Mag Pouches
NOLATAC Firearms training:
Fleece Beanie Covers
Ink Pens
Fenix PD20 Light
Fenix LD10 Light
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4283391015_03e1a42bfd_o.jpg
Equipment Data:
Due to the fact that some guys were still in operational status and some were in covert roles in LEO, not all participant information was available, but we got a good cross section of data.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4283391025_85010e2c8d_o.png
Hosted byNOLATAC Firearms Training, New Orleans, LA (http://www.nolatac.com)
Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office, Walker, LA
January 5-7, 2010
Instructor: The Costa
AAR: Brannon LeBouef & William Phebus of NOLATAC Firearms Training
NOLATAC FaceBook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Metairie-LA/NOLATAC-Firearms-Training/82399664954?ref=ts)
See previous AAR’s here:
Magpul Dynamics Carbine 1&2-
REVIEW ON AR15.COM (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=9&f=19&t=228434)
BAYOUSHOOTER.COM (http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26891)
Upcoming Classes—
HANDGUN II / Shotgun (http://www.nolatac.com/Specialty_Classes.html)
Please keep in mind that this class is directly geared toward LE/MIL only from the perspective of an active shooter response (or hyper-violent killer as they are called now). While Magpul Dynamics does not necessarily forbid non-LEO from attending, the range we used did have a LEO only policy. We did have some DOD and .mil personnel also. Sheriff’s range—Sheriff’s rules ;)
We utilized the Livingston parish Sheriff’s Office (LPSO) Range in Walker, LA. Sheriff Graves and his staff were beyond hospitable. They provided and ensured seamless logistics and cooked us delicious hot lunches on those three cold days. Very special thanks to Clint Gray, Turtle, and all the other guys from LPSO for ensuring that we did not want for anything and all details were taken care of. A big thanks also to the Louisiana Tactical Police Officers Association (LTPOA), who in conjunction with LPSO, donated and cooked, all lunches for us. We were also invited to attend the Sheriff’s monthly prayer breakfast on TD2. All in all, great facility, great friends.
TD1- 24 degrees Fahrenheit
TD1 started with the normal administrative paperwork, waivers, safety briefs, etc... Yea right, we were deputies, officers, military contractors, STOP… Never forget to be safe. When running the line as Magpul Dynamics does, safety is key.
About 0900 we got out onto the range, and it was cold, about 32 degrees at this point, with a slight North wind, Louisiana overnight got punched in the gut by an arctic blast. Great!! Most were prepared, but it sure was cold.
In most LE roles such as patrol and investigations, handguns are primary until the deployment of carbines/shotguns, Costa wanted to make sure everyone was up to speed on basic handgun skills. The normal drills were done; some fixes were made, holsters repositioned.
While this class is not billed as an “advanced” class, it is definitely not for beginners. In order to get the most out of the training, students should have the basics squared away. There will always be some tweaking and “ahh-ha” moments, but this is a fast paced, movements based class.
After getting everyone on the same page with handguns, we moved on to the balance of Speed and Accuracy (BSA) drill. From this point on many shooters found that what they have been doing wasn’t quite as efficient as what was being shown. We had some things to fix, so TD1 was much like a collaborative Carbine I/II in an 8 hour period. While none of the students were new to the carbine, several were new to the grip and hand placement techniques taught by Magpul Dynamics.
TD1 ended around 1700. After getting washed up, we headed over to Long Horn Steakhouse where we had reservations. We enjoyed a small group dinner, some frosty beverages, and some frosty steaks for some LOL, and rested for TD2.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2707/4283352581_235e52ca46_o.jpg
(Uhhhh Chris…… a little LESS personal attention from the instructor.)
TD2- 30 degrees Fahrenheit
TD2 was nicer. The sun was out so much that Costa complained about the position. At one point, I thought he was going to flame up and move it. Many equipment problems surfaced, this day, primarily with DPMS rifles. I was running my new blaster from Spikes Tactical (literally out the box the week prior to this class) without a hiccup.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4255901552_8d15710be8_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/4265239655_578e75564b_o.jpg
Read the review of the rifle HERE (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=282&t=183568).
The DPMS rifles simply did not want to eat the Winchester Q3131 ammo that the LPSO guys were feeding it. We spread some magazines of it out and every other rifle ate it up, but the DPMS’s simply turned their noses up at it. Since these were shorty rifles, many suspected that the shorter gas tube was just not agreeing with the ammo selection and possibly the extreme weather played a part…who knows?
We moved into the core of the class--moving and shooting, singles, pairs, teams, multiple targets, running over berms, shooting from all positions, using verbal and other senses, to key in on your team. TD2 was a beater, the weather was nice… But wait, it is suppose to SNOW on TD3.
While as chilly as it was, a hot shower is always nice. Again we planned a group dinner, as Costa is not a mythological creature, nor is the beard… Magpul Dynamics are regular guys, with a particular set of skills. We ate dinner at the Bass Pro Shop Restaurant with most students and the range personnel in attendance…about 20 guys.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4283389827_fbe14270fe_o.png
(Apparently Chris is a little confused while running the Timer through a tough T&E)
TD3- 34 degrees Fahrenheit
TD3... Burrrrrr….. It is raining, sleet at some points, and we are shooting and moving A LOT just to stay warm.. I decided to switch over from my carbine and run a few drills with my Benelli since this will always be in my trunk to respond to a Hyper-violent criminal. I personally wanted to see how I would do… Being that I am cross eye dominant, I shoot rifle sights left eye, optics right eye. This aided in the shotgun phase, since my reloads were fast back on target….
Costa, then asked to shoot my boom stick…. This was a mistake... It was violated in so many ways that I will not be able to duplicate in the near future.
After Costa embarrassed me with the Benelli, the rains really started to poor. Now most of the class was tactical guys, contractors, you know…real operators, but hey—we can be cold or we can be wet, but we ain’t being both. LOL. The weather really started to get bad as we ate lunch. At that point the class made a decision, based mostly on safety, to cut the day short.
We had some pretty killer drills set up with multiple vehicles and obstacles, but it was time to call it a day. We concluded with the presentation of the certificates and a friendly game of White Elephant (or Dirty Santa) with the substantial table of gear donated by various vendors. Details below.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4054/4265236537_0f1cb360d2_o.jpg
Stock in Benelli has gone up 15 points since chatter has hit the interwebs.
Lunches:
What can I say about that? In Louisiana we know how to eat, and specifically our classes are known for the eats offered. Prepared by the LPSO our menu consisted daily of:
TD1:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2779/4283389977_c42aa98d64_o.png
BBQ Chicken, Smoked Sausage, Deer Sausage, Salad, Meaty BBQ Beans
TD2:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2794/4284134264_2767eae162_o.png
Meat/Potato Stew, Creamed Corn, and Pineapple upside down cake
Sorry, too busy eating stew to TAKE PICS.
Prayer breakfast-
Sausage
Biscuits
Eggs
Juice
TD3:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4284134410_f71c4fc3a8_o.png
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2703/4283390427_d4d1897c38_o.png
Best cold weather food of all
Chicken and Sausage Gumbo, Candied Yams
Since Costa was ill during the first course, he missed out on the “brownies” prepared by our dear friends, as a special treat we arranged for this to happen. Everyone in the class was overcome with ohhh’s and ahhh’s.
(This is a NOLATAC sponsored class favorite)
Door Prizes:
There cannot be enough said, about those who care and support those who protect us at home and abroad. Being a primarily law enforcement class, many vendors were more than generous to support our first responders and front line warriors.
With that said, the response from the weapons industry was outstanding. This is partly due to the great business partnerships that Magpul and Magpul Dynamics has with industry professionals. As soon as we told them we were seeking donations for LE taking a Magpul class, they gave with open hearts.
Not to mention, Magpul Dynamics gave each student a FREE PMAG, AFG, patches, and stickers.
Primary Weapon Systems: (16) FSC556 Muzzle Brakes
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4283390521_8cc2a13c9f_o.png
Surefire:
M300A Scout Light
X300 Weapon Light
E1B Backup Light
Hats
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4283390597_c0475ce97a_o.png
Larue Tactical:
(2) LT-104 Gift Certificates Paid in Full
Hats
Dilio Dust
Dilio’s
Stickers
Catalogs
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4284134826_7c73bd3105_o.png
Brownell’s:
AR15 Field Armor’s Kit, Takedown Levers, Armorer’s Blocks, Weapons Lube
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2771/4283390881_542d0d51fc_o.png
Daniel Defense:
Drop in Carbine Length Rail System
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4283390965_5e50827f45_o.png
5.11 Tactical:
Weapons Case (Rifle)
Bail Out Bag (PUSH Pack)
Mag Pouches
NOLATAC Firearms training:
Fleece Beanie Covers
Ink Pens
Fenix PD20 Light
Fenix LD10 Light
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4283391015_03e1a42bfd_o.jpg
Equipment Data:
Due to the fact that some guys were still in operational status and some were in covert roles in LEO, not all participant information was available, but we got a good cross section of data.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4283391025_85010e2c8d_o.png