Part One and Two: Lucid HD7 RDS review is up.

[Quib]

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?2182-Review-of-the-Lucid-HD7-Red-Dot-Sight

[HeavyDuty]

Interesting... seems to be a well thought out design.

[Ranger325]

Thanks for a great initial review Quib! I am completely new to the world of RDS optics and am trying to absorb all the info that I can and am very anxious to read your range report.

What are your comments on the included mount? Ease of installation, sturdiness, secure to the rail? Are aftermarket mounts compatable (LaRue, etc) the HD7?

Very good reticle pic! Is this considered a 1/3 co-witness? Would you use this optic with the rear sight up or down?

How does the Lucid compare to other optics you've used? Pros? Cons? I'm not familiar with Lucid products, but it does not seem to be as popular a brand name as Aimpoint, Eotech, etc? Again, this may be my lack of experence showing through.

Thanks again.......................

[Quib]

Thanks for a great initial review Quib! I am completely new to the world of RDS optics and am trying to absorb all the info that I can and am very anxious to read your range report.

Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed Part One of the review.

What are your comments on the included mount? Ease of installation, sturdiness, secure to the rail? Are aftermarket mounts compatable (LaRue, etc) the HD7?

The included mount is sturdy, and installs in a similar fashion to the standard Carry Handle sight. Aftermarket mounts though are not compatible with the HD7 since the mounting base is an integral part of the whole optic frame assembly and houses the battery compartment. A QD feature though did come to mind during my initial review of the sight, but most likely would increase the end price of the optic.

Very good reticle pic! Is this considered a 1/3 co-witness? Would you use this optic with the rear sight up or down?

The sight as I mentioned in the review, offers the shooter a lower 1/3rd co-witness. In the event the optic were to go down for any reason, the BUIS could then be deployed and used.

How does the Lucid compare to other optics you've used? Pros? Cons? I'm not familiar with Lucid products, but it does not seem to be as popular a brand name as Aimpoint, Eotech, etc? Again, this may be my lack of experence showing through.

Lucid is a new company to the optics scene, but the President of the company is not. More background info on Lucid can be had by following the link at the end of the review.

As far as comparing the HD7 to the Aimpoint M2 or ML2, as well as the EOTech series of optics, the HD7 shares some similarities. Reticle wise, the HD7 has a 2MOA single dot similar to the Aimpoint, and a 2MOA dot within a circle, similar to the EOTech. With the HD7, as with the EOTech, no addition mount need be purchased. One advantage the HD7 has over both Aimpoint and EOTech is the fact that the built-in mount provides a lower 1/3rd co-witness for those that prefer it.

Thanks again.......................

My pleasure. There will be more to come with Part Two.


Quib

[Ranger325]

Good stuff!! Thanks Quib............................

[Eric]

Great review and photos. The high profile adjustable turrets are very unusual for a RDS. I'm concerned that they would inadvertently get knocked out of adjustment during hard use.

[Quib]

Great review and photos.

Thanks Eric.


The high profile adjustable turrets are very unusual for a RDS. I'm concerned that they would inadvertently get knocked out of adjustment during hard use.

VALDADA went with high profile adjustable turrets on their Rapid Deployment Sight. Are we seeing a new trend perhaps?

http://www.valdada.com/product/81e63ffe-067e-477a-b577-8c2725b2093a.aspx

[HeavyDuty]

A couple of questions for you, Quib -

1) Lower 1/3 can be a bit variable. How much of the front sight wings are you seeing when you sight the irons through the RDS? Can you see the flat at the base of the wings? Your reticle pics seem to be taken from a higher eye position.

2) Can the turrets be zeroed?

3) What's the eye relief like with the magnifier?

4) How critical is eye placement with the magnifier?

Thanks!

[Quib]

Originally Posted by HeavyDuty 
A couple of questions for you, Quib -

1) Lower 1/3 can be a bit variable. How much of the front sight wings are you seeing when you sight the irons through the RDS? Can you see the flat at the base of the wings? Your reticle pics seem to be taken from a higher eye position.

I’ll need to take more detailed photos. I plan on doing this in Part Two of the review.

2) Can the turrets be zeroed?

No, they can not be zeroed.

3) What's the eye relief like with the magnifier?

I plan on covering this in detail in Part Two of the review at which time I can actually use the optic under range conditions.

4) How critical is eye placement with the magnifier?

Again, I plan on covering this in detail in Part Two of the review at which time I can actually use the optic under range conditions. The review currently posted is only an introductory review. Part Two will go into range specific/actual useage details.

Thanks!

Quib

[HeavyDuty]

Thanks - I look forward to part 2!

[Quib]

As I mentioned in Part One, the reticles were not easy to photograph in my shop, under the lighting conditions I had, so I will attempt to take better reticle shots during the photo shooting for Part Two of the review.

I went back through the series of photos I shot for Part One and although I’m not happy with this photo, it might convey for the time being how the lower 1/3rd co-witness looks through the HD7.


http://quib.weaponevolution.com/LOW COWIT.png

[HeavyDuty]

I think what I'm seeing in that picture is the bottom of the RDS tube (the larger radius curve at the bottom) - if that's the case, it looks very usable. I've seen some setups advertised as lower 1/3 that are actually more like lower 1/5, all you can see of the front sight when using the irons is the tip of the post.

[Quib]

It’s not an easy task to photograph a lower 1/3rd co-witness and capture it exactly how the shooter will see the sights through his own eyes. I personally see no problems with the 1/3rd co-witness that the HD7 provides.

Here is an outdoor attempt at some reticle photos.....


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4486897431_9986de1e6f_o.png

[willardcw4]

you're camera hates the HD7 :)

it looks like the different reticles are slightly off axis from the target, is this adjustable?? when you were cycling the different reticles i almost wanted to turn my head slightly so the crosshair reticles were square to the alignment of the scope and target.

[Quib]

you're camera hates the HD7 :)

it looks like the different reticles are slightly off axis from the target, is this adjustable?? when you were cycling the different reticles i almost wanted to turn my head slightly so the crosshair reticles were square to the alignment of the scope and target.


The reticles are in alignment with the optic itself. There were variances between the optic mounted on the weapon sitting in my maintenance stand, and the angle of the tripod and camera.

Given the equipment I have on hand to work with, providing a perfectly aligned video representation of the optic from the shooters view point is impossible. My sole intent with the video is to demonstrate the various reticles and features of the HD7.

If the reticle of the HD7 was internally off axis, I certainly wouldn’t have went forth with reviewing the optic, but would have promptly returned it to the mfgr. [:)]

[willardcw4]

The reticles are in alignment with the optic itself. There were variances between the optic mounted on the weapon sitting in my maintenance stand, and the angle of the tripod and camera.

Given the equipment I have on hand to work with, providing a perfectly aligned video representation of the optic from the shooters view point is impossible. My sole intent with the video is to demonstrate the various reticles and features of the HD7.

If the reticle of the HD7 was internally off axis, I certainly wouldn’t have went forth with reviewing the optic, but would have promptly returned it to the mfgr.


Just checking :) It looks like a good quality optic... nice review =D

[Quib]

Thanks. [:)]

Again, if I found the HD7 not worthy of review, I certainly would not have invested the time I have to date, culminating photos and data in an attempt to bring the readers of Weapon Evolution a quality unbiased review of a new product. ;)

[Stickman]

Again, if I found the HD7 not worthy of review, I certainly would not have invested the time I have to date, culminating photos and data in an attempt to bring the readers of Weapon Evolution a quality unbiased review of a new product.



I would be personally bothered if you wasted your time reviewing something that you didn't feel was worth it. We don't all need top of the line equipment that maxes out the price limit, but none of us here need bottom of the line equipment either.

I am very interested to see how this ends up working out after you have spent a month or three with it. I have mentioned more than once that I thought the optic world would start catching up with decent medium priced optics. Hopefully this will be one of those that does. I think the idea of running the optic off a single AAA battery is fantastic. They are easy to find, and easy to pick out of a drawer, unlike their smaller watch or photo battery counterparts.

[chem_guy]

Stick,

I concur with your comments. I am especially excited about the idea of using very common batteries.

[rt7]

Great review, this was the most info. I could find on this optic. Thanks.

[Quib]

Great review, this was the most info. I could find on this optic. Thanks.

Thank you. I’m glad you found it informative. [:)]


ETA: And welcome to Weapon Evolution. Glad to have you onboard!

[Quib]

We don't all need top of the line equipment that maxes out the price limit, but none of us here need bottom of the line equipment either.

I am very interested to see how this ends up working out after you have spent a month or three with it. I have mentioned more than once that I thought the optic world would start catching up with decent medium priced optics. Hopefully this will be one of those that does.


Yes Sir, I agree.



I’m looking forward to the upcoming range time with the HD7. My test bed for Part Two of the review will be the Spike’s 16” Piston Upper Receiver Assembly.

[rt7]

I bit the bullett, mine will be arriving tuesday. Thanks for the welcome.[:)]

[Quib]

Part Two is now up.

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?2182-Review-of-the-Lucid-HD7-Red-Dot-Sight

[chem_guy]

Quib,

Good Part Two Review. I know I am, as others probably are, really curious to find out how the Lucid holds up to a more "vigorous" course of fire. Nonetheless, I still am very curious about this sight.

[rt7]

Received my HD7 today, so far i'm impressed. Clear glass, nice reticles, crisp dot, solid mount. The part I was most concerned with, the turrets, don't seem to be easily moved out of zero. Heading to the range monday to zero.

[Quib]

Quib,

Good Part Two Review.

Thanks. [:)]



I know I am, as others probably are, really curious to find out how the Lucid holds up to a more "vigorous" course of fire. Nonetheless, I still am very curious about this sight.

Understandable, but I’m afraid I wouldn’t be the guy for that task. In this case, someone more in that “line of work” would have to step in.

[Quib]

Received my HD7 today, so far i'm impressed. Clear glass, nice reticles, crisp dot, solid mount. The part I was most concerned with, the turrets, don't seem to be easily moved out of zero. Heading to the range monday to zero.

Excellent.

Please keep us all informed. I look forward to your report. [:)]

[LUCIDHD7]

QUIB - Thank you for a objective and through review. Well done.

[Quib]

QUIB - Thank you for a objective and through review. Well done.

Thank you, and you’re welcome.

[strycnine]

I got my HD7 from Jason awhile back and I like it alot.

[jmart]

Quib,

A couple questions about the design of the optic and its cowitnessing ability. Is this a true non-focussing RDS (e.g., Aimpoint, Eotech) or is this a prism-designed optic that focuses (e.g. Leupold Prismatic, ACOG)?

I've heard that the prism-designed optics don't allow cowitnessing, or at best it's good for only a short range. Have you tried shooting through your irons at longer ranges (50, 100 yards), and if so, does it allow cowitnessing?

[Quib]

Quib,

A couple questions about the design of the optic and its cowitnessing ability. Is this a true non-focussing RDS (e.g., Aimpoint, Eotech) or is this a prism-designed optic that focuses (e.g. Leupold Prismatic, ACOG)?

As far as I understand the design of the HD7, the optic does not use a prism, but is based more along the design of the Aimpoint.

The exact design of the inner workings of the HD7 would be a good question to present to the Mfgr, Mr. Jason Wilson. He is the Weapon Evolution member “LUCIDHD7” who posted at the end of page two. You might want to IM him so that he can personally reply here in this thread, to any questions you may have.

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=5547



I've heard that the prism-designed optics don't allow cowitnessing, or at best it's good for only a short range. Have you tried shooting through your irons at longer ranges (50, 100 yards), and if so, does it allow cowitnessing?

I have not tried shooting using a BUIS through the optic, but because of the design, do not foresee a problem.

[jmart]

Thanx. Will do.

[LUCIDHD7]

As far as I understand the design of the HD7, the optic does not use a prism, but is based more along the design of the Aimpoint.

The exact design of the inner workings of the HD7 would be a good question to present to the Mfgr, Mr. Jason Wilson. He is the Weapon Evolution member “LUCIDHD7” who posted at the end of page two. You might want to IM him so that he can personally reply here in this thread, to any questions you may have.

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/private.php?do=newpm&u=5547



I have not tried shooting using a BUIS through the optic, but because of the design, do not foresee a problem. I have more range time planned for the HD7, and can add shooting through the irons to my list.

The HD7 is not a prismatic design. Also not based on the the design of the Aim point.

As for the inner workings of the HD7 there is some stuff I can share and some I simply won't. I received the IM, and Wanted to respond. The HD7 will allow co-whitnessing. it is a lower 1/3 co-whitness, and I have has shooters use the iron sights and dot combo to engage targets out to 300yds with out issue. The mounting of the optic becomes tricky unless you have forward rail when using the 2x magnifier.

[jmart]

Thanks for clarifying.

[Quib]

Thanks Jason for the quick response, and I stand corrected regarding the reference to the AimPoint design.

[Quib]

Jason,

Regarding my statement above with the similarities of the HD7 and Aimpoint designs:

My response to Jmart was based off my initial visual inspection of the internal workings of the HD7 which are visible through the optics lenses. From this inspection it appears that the HD7 uses an LED emitter and projects the light emitted in a similar fashion to the Aimpoint. (See illustration below.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Metroliner/APInternal.gif

If this is not the case, can you possibly expand a bit on how the HD7 works?

Thank you in advance.

[LUCIDHD7]

I appreciate the interest in the HD7, However I am not going to share the internal workings of this product with the general public. There are some things that are simply not for the public. I hope you understand.

[Quib]

I appreciate the interest in the HD7, However I am not going to share the internal workings of this product with the general public. There are some things that are simply not for the public. I hope you understand.

Perfectly understandable given the possibility of patent or copyright infringement. Thanks for the reply.

[LUCIDHD7]

Quib, you are not implying that LUCID is infringing on a patent are you?

[Quib]

Quib, you are not implying that LUCID is infringing on a patent are you?

LOL.....just the opposite.

I can understand that you might want to restrict the information you give out about the HD7 because of copy-cats. Never implied in the slightest that you were infringing on an existing patent.

[Quib]

A little clarification regarding my above post.

There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding regarding my post above referencing patent or copyright infringement.

I am in no way implying that Lucid is infringing on an existing patent with the HD7. I’m simply stating that as a manufacturer it is perfectly understandable that one might want to keep some things quiet regarding the design of a product. And with that said, I can respect Jason’s decision to do just that.

With as many questions as we’ve seen fielded regarding the HD7, I was simply trying to get a bit more technical background information for our readers and membership.

[LUCIDHD7]

Quib, Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate your professionalism and all the work you have done in reviewing the HD7 objectively.

Thanks again.

[The-S]

sorry for the stupid question, but If I buy this instead of an EoTech and am not 100% satisfied with it will you take it back?

[LUCIDHD7]

The-S

I appreciate your interest in the HD7. However, it would be a nightmare if I opened LUCID up to a subjective return policy.

Now, if you order one and there is a legitimate issue with the HD7 you purchase, I will be happy to make the situation right.

[GriffonSec]

Interesting.

Without ever having the opportunity to use any RDS, I've had issues dropping the coin on "maybes" (T1/H1). This, however, may just fit the bill on the current SBR build, without kiling the budget either.

I'd defnitely like to see your impressions with the 2x magnifier. Thanks for the write up!

S

[tirod]

I'm impressed. I have a Gen 1 Aimpoint from the '70's, and what I see here is typical of the state of the art that exists today.The price point isn't a budget buster as many of the milspec optics are.

It may not have 50,000 hours of battery life, but it does use an AAA, and that's my current power platform with EDC lights, etc. It uses a typical bolt and plate mount, throw levers aren't impossible, but on a casual shooter/hunting rifle, really unnecessary. It cowitnesses, the dot looks usable, it'll do minute of deer or hog. It has rubber armor, I have an older 2X fixed that does, it's user friendly. Major impacts, we don't know yet, but it would be expected that in this price range it's been dragged down the driveway to see. No optic should be expected to survive if the conditions are really abusive. Glass breaks. As long as the lens mounts and LED remain secure, it should do.

This is exactly where I've been seeing the market needs to go, so now I have to either put up or shut up . . .

[LUCIDHD7]

Tirod,

Thank you for the honest impressions. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

[DanG]

Well, it seems like there isn't ONE complaint here about Mr. Wilson's HD 7. Here's the first one.....I just received my LUCID HD7. I installed it on my AR and when I look through it I see the inner workings of the Reticle Turret protruding into the view area. The hardware is protruding into the reticle from the 8 o'clock position to the 10 o'clock position ! This obscures the view area on the left side of the reticle.

I called Mr. Wilson immediately and he answered "that's normal". Oddly, in your review here any and all pictures of a view sighting through the reticle showed a completely clear, and unencumbered, 360 degree view through the reticle. There were no turret mechanisms protruding into the view area of the reticle.

Perhaps Mr. Wilson was having a bad day. Instead of offering to refund my money or try to give me a better explanation of this unusual circumstance, he simply answered: "That's normal". Well not in my optic sight book it's not. I replied that such a reticle is literally "garbage" and he told me to have a nice day as he hung up on me.

Perhaps I have a defective HD 7. However, according to Mr. Wilson, I do not. In that case the pictures here depicting a view through the reticle are less than accurate and are actually deceiving. I suggest an accurate picture of the view through the reticle be depicted and a clarification from Mr. Wilson that what one sees on this review is not an accurate depiction of what one sees through their own device.

Great way to treat a customer who took a chance on a new company. Then again, the sight is made in Red China. I should have known better.

Guess I'll go back to TRIJICON. One gets what they pay for.

[Quib]

I covered the LED emitter showing in the FOV in post #10 (10 April 2010 17:46) under the Range Review.


With a firing position just slightly aft of NTCH, a very faint shadow of the LED emitter was noticeable on the left side of the FOV. Not overly distracting, moving in tighter, the FOV increases and the shadow fades from view.

This was my personal experience. As far as “hardware” showing from the 8 o’clock position to the 10 o’clock position on your sample of the HD7, I can not comment, as this is not the case with my T&E sample of the HD7.

As far as my review of the HD7 goes, I feel I covered the optic pretty extensively. You will not find a more thorough HD7 review on the internet to date. If you feel it’s lacking or incomplete I apologize. But nothing was withheld or retracted. I covered exactly what I observed. Nothing more, nothing less.

I can not comment on Jason’s customer service ethics or the experience you say you had speaking to him. This he’ll have to answer to for himself, if such a conversation took place.

ETA: As far as photos not depicting the shadow I mention in the review, this shadow can be seen in the photos illustrating the four reticles on page one of this thread. The HD7 is not an Aimpoint. It is not an EOTech. It has an eye relief which must be kept in mind, or as I mentioned, a shadow or silhouette of the LED emitter can be seen. Mount the optic further back on the upper receiver, adjusting it to your particular requirement for eye relief, and as I pointed out, you’ll see the emitter fade from view. Then you should experience a FOV as depicted here, and in my review.

If you have legitimate input, positive or negative, or questions regarding the HD7, that is what this thread is for.

What I will not stand for, is disrespect or trolling with the sole intent of bringing discredit to Mr. Wilson, Lucid or the HD7.

[LUCIDHD7]

DanG,

Again, I thank you for your interest in LUCID and the HD7, and am sorry that it did not meet up to your expectations.

Since you have taken this discussion public, I am obligated to defend myself and my reputation.

When you called me to voice your disappointment you were VERY agitated and aggressive. When you explained the issue to me I simply said, that "what you are seeing is the housing which the holds the LED emitter and reticle control mechanics, this is normal on red dots." When I explained that the clear FOV you are referencing from reviews on line is with the 2x magnifier attached. You then attacked me, my company and the product by calling it garbage and telling me that you are going to return it because "That's Garbage" and you hung up as I was wishing you a nice day.

Like I have explained to you several times already, the clear field of view you are referencing is with the 2x magnifier attached to the optic. This is because the optical focal point moves out past the mechanics to achieve the 2x magnified view.

As for the reviews on line, I have little to no control over them. They are NOT solicited, paid for or controlled by LUCID in any way. This is what makes them "independent reviews".

I have done my level best to be calm, responsive and honest with you during this conversation. It appears that you are angry and for that I apologize for LUCID's part in that.

However, please try to understand, we are talking about a 1x optical red dot sight. If you look at other red dot sights you will find this type of loss of field of view is not only normal but common across all brands, as it is a functional aspect of how red dots work.

I do take pride in my customer service and my product and feel that in this case, myself and LUCID have not done you any disservice in customer care.

You make reference to my failure to offer to refund your money, well sir you did not purchase the HD7 from me directly, you purchased it from GunKings.com. They took your money, they are the ones that will need to deal with your refund.

If you are unhappy with the product for a functional manufacturer defect issue I am more than happy to make this right.

Again, I thank you for your time and wish you the best.



Well, it seems like there isn't ONE complaint here about Mr. Wilson's HD 7. Here's the first one.....I just received my LUCID HD7. I installed it on my AR and when I look through it I see the inner workings of the Reticle Turret protruding into the view area. The hardware is protruding into the reticle from the 8 o'clock position to the 10 o'clock position ! This obscures the view area on the left side of the reticle.

I called Mr. Wilson immediately and he answered "that's normal". Oddly, in your review here any and all pictures of a view sighting through the reticle showed a completely clear, and unencumbered, 360 degree view through the reticle. There were no turret mechanisms protruding into the view area of the reticle.

Perhaps Mr. Wilson was having a bad day. Instead of offering to refund my money or try to give me a better explanation of this unusual circumstance, he simply answered: "That's normal". Well not in my optic sight book it's not. I replied that such a reticle is literally "garbage" and he told me to have a nice day as he hung up on me.

Perhaps I have a defective HD 7. However, according to Mr. Wilson, I do not. In that case the pictures here depicting a view through the reticle are less than accurate and are actually deceiving. I suggest an accurate picture of the view through the reticle be depicted and a clarification from Mr. Wilson that what one sees on this review is not an accurate depiction of what one sees through their own device.

Great way to treat a customer who took a chance on a new company. Then again, the sight is made in Red China. I should have known better.

Guess I'll go back to TRIJICON. One gets what they pay for.

[Quib]

- Thanks Jason for the response.

- I plan on taking the HD7 out again in the near future. On this trip I intend to mount it on my carbine, and do some work with the 2X magnifier. At this time I'll attempt to take more reticle photos with and without the 2X.

[tirod]

Looking forward to it.
[:D]

[Quib]

Pics are now posted.

See original review for updates.

[GriffonSec]

Quib, thanks for the update. While noticeable, I wouldn't call it an obstruction by any means.

In the pics showing your position in relation to eye relief, with the magnifyer it appears you're quite close. Is that compensating some for the shadow of the emitter, or is it really that short. Also, how comfortable were you with the performance with the mag?

[Quib]

You are correct, moving in closer was to compensate for the shadow. With and without the magnifier, eye relief is important. This optic, the eye relief required, and where the optic is mounted on the weapon, is more along the lines of a scope verses a red dot such as the Aimpoint or EOTech.

Without the magnifier, one can move in closer to the optic, reducing eye relief, which eliminates the shadow of the LED emitter.

With the 2X magnifier installed, one can move in closer to the optic, reducing eye relief, which reduces the shadow of the LED emitter. I could not move in close enough to totally eliminate the shadow. A small silhouette of the LED emitter was always present.

The 2X magnifier is a nice feature. It performed as I imagined it would. Personally, I preferred to shoot without it.

[tirod]

In searching further reviews on the internet, another post elsewhere mentioned that the factory that built the Lucid also built the Vortex and Bushnells, and supplied components for Eotech and Aimpoint. It bears some research, but it's the same with a lot of other industries, including bottling oil for cars, or tires.

I'm not suggesting these optics are at all equal, it doesn't make them at all the same recipe, QC standard, or even marketed in the same store. I am suggesting that those who support quality products aren't wrong, buy once cry once does have some justification. Please try to express it in terms of Mean Rounds Between Failure, instead of code phrases for class warfare.

It should be as informative to the Aimpoint owner (I have a Gen1) as a Lucid owner that components for either may be coming out the freight door side by side, just like I have seen oil coming off the same machine in five different competive brands. IIRC there's just three antifreze factories in the US, my store sells at least six brands of that.

Competitors are a lot more dependent on suppliers than the general public wants to know.

[Dualspringfields]

Looks good. Wish the turrets had caps.

[xdmp22]

Quib, your reviews are great, very informative........

sorry to drag up an oldish thread, newbie here

any chance of someone posting the overall length of the unit as well as the length of the mount?

I am trying to figure out if I can mount the HD7 with a sightmark 3x magnifier in a sightmark flip to side mount on my A3 upper

any help would be great!

[Quib]

Stand by, let me dig out the HD7 and I'll get you those dimensions......

[Quib]

Ok, ready to copy?

OAL: 5.48"
Mount Base Length: 2.95"

[xdmp22]

Ok, ready to copy?

OAL: 5.48"
Mount Base Length: 2.95"

Wow, that was fast. Thank you, ill make a trip down to the safe with calipers and see what will work.

I am a pretty active member over on XDTalk.com, its nice to see other forums that are as helpful.

I am new to AR's and optics, handguns and me get along great.

Let me know if you need anything from that side of things


Thanks again

[xdmp22]

crap, flat top upper not long enough, i may have to go with Lucid's mount (100 dollars more :( ) or find a flat top riser that is atleast 7.5" long



hmmmmmmm


thanks again

[Quib]

Wow, that was fast. Thank you, ill make a trip down to the safe with calipers and see what will work.

I am a pretty active member over on XDTalk.com, its nice to see other forums that are as helpful.

I am new to AR's and optics, handguns and me get along great.

Let me know if you need anything from that side of things


Thanks again


Not a problem, glad to help. That's what we are here for and that is what the reviews are all about.....to help you, the end user, make a decision as to whether a particular piece of gear/equipment/kit will fulfill your needs.

Thanks for the offer of help. I'm an XD owner and member of XDTalk as well. Just haven't posted over there in a very long time. I'm the opposite of you LOL..... big AR guy, not much of a pistol guy.

Don't be a stranger, and welcome to Weapon Evolution.

[xdmp22]

Not a problem, glad to help. That's what we are here for and that is what the reviews are all about.....to help you, the end user, make a decision as to whether a particular piece of gear/equipment/kit will fulfill your needs.

Thanks for the offer of help. I'm an XD owner and member of XDTalk as well. Just haven't posted over there in a very long time. I'm the opposite of you LOL..... big AR guy, not much of a pistol guy.

Don't be a stranger, and welcome to Weapon Evolution.

I have enjoyed my time here. Speaking of XDTalk, did I find you?

Quib-XDTalk.com (http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/members/quib-12794.html)

[Quib]

Glad to hear you like Weapon Evolution. Your link is not working, but that's most likely me.

[xdmp22]

Glad to hear you like Weapon Evolution. Your link is not working, but that's most likely me.

oops, forgot the l in html, its fixed

[Jubz]

Excellent info, all of the pics and thorough review.
The HD7 has left a very positive impression on me and now seriously thinking about picking one up.

[Quib]

Thanks Jubz.

[Jubz]

I've been thinking about an Eotech XPS, but held back for some reason. The HD7's multiple reticles feature, AAA battery and half the price just confirmed for me why I held back. The idea of $400+ just for a red dot just seemed overpriced regarding the technology.

[Unicorn]

Thread necrosis here, but better. to bring an old one back instead of starting a new one.

How durable or rugged are these? How will they handle rough use and abuse? Rifle being dropped multiple times, being bounced around a trunk for a year, being hit against concrete walls when moving or taking cover. That sort of thing.

[JGifford]

Thread necrosis here, but better. to bring an old one back instead of starting a new one.

How durable or rugged are these? How will they handle rough use and abuse? Rifle being dropped multiple times, being bounced around a trunk for a year, being hit against concrete walls when moving or taking cover. That sort of thing.
I'll jump on the necrotic thread train. I have a couple of friends who don't have Aimpoint budget right now. Is this optic solid enough for HD/range duty? Right now they have Primary Arms RDS's, and I told them those are range/training only optics. How has the Lucid stood up, and is the quality "the same" across their product spectrum, or is the HD7 "the good one" (kindof like the Kel-Tec RFB)?
Is anyone here using one longterm on a duty or hard-use carbine?