Battle Comp review started

[Stickman]

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?2544-Battle-Comp&p=23125#post23125


A review of the Battle Comp has started, we will be updating it as we get more rounds down range, and as we get feedback from more shooters.

Initial thoughts are up so far, but if you have any questions, feel free to ask away....



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[Optimus Prime]

I've got the stainless version on my carbine, and I can say the finish is equally fantastic on it as well. I've got some pics and videos scattered throughout my blog as well. (Although your photos tend to make mine look like crap...)

[Paulo_Santos]

I was going to get one until I saw the price on them. I'm sure they are very nice and very effective, but at $125, it is a heavy price to pay. I have a hard time dishing out $99 for an FSC556.

[GriffonSec]

Paulo,

Understood. Have one for the 5.56 on my A1, also have the FSC556 on a midlength. Between the two, I prefer the Battle Comp. Just as effective, if not a bit more, and significantly less concusion/blast.

I have one for my 6.8 SBR I'm going to work with this weekend.

Personal opinion, absolutely great product.

[Hmac]

I was going to get one until I saw the price on them. I'm sure they are very nice and very effective, but at $125, it is a heavy price to pay. I have a hard time dishing out $99 for an FSC556.

I agree. The cost aside, we have version 1.0 out now, but version 1.5 just around the corner.

I like my FSC556. I wear hearing protection...isn't too loud for me.

[Paulo_Santos]

What makes it worse for me is that I have the FSC556 pinned since I live in NJ. So in order to remove the FSC556, id have to pay around $35 to get the FSC557 removed which will be destroyed. So that is around $135. Then pay $125 for the Battlecomp and pay another $35 to pin it on. So if my math is correct, it would cost $295 to replace my FSC556 with the BattleComp.

I'm pretty sure it is a great product, but I just can't justify the price.

[rob_s]

The cycle of product development is certainly one of the downsides of pinning things. I'm interested in doing some testing on the BC, 1.5 and BABC, but have to admit too that the price is discouraging.

I can say that I ran shooters in a match several weeks ago and muzzle devices ran the gamut from PWS, to KAC, to A2, to really obnoxious gamer brakes. The KAS and the BC were the least offensive in terms of concussion on bystanders. My own PWS was pretty concussive shooting inside a vehicle as well. Given that the BC is 50% of the price of the KAC one could argue that it's a "bargain" if side blast is important.

[willardcw4]

I got a chance to check out the BattleComp 1.0, courtesy of Jeff (www.leoarmory.com) and Andrew (www.vuurwapenblog.com), a few weeks ago. It was my first experience shooting any muzzle device aside from a standard A2.

I was able to shoot a few brakes, including an PWS FSC556, a PSW TTO, Vortex, VLTOR VC-1, Blackout, and the BC 1.0.

As far as the compensators were concerned, both the PWS and BC 1.0 brakes were phenomenal, especially compared to an A2 (no surprise). I personally, however, still preferred shooting the BC 1.0 over the PWS. The BC disperses the gases radially and forward, whereas the PWS pushes gases out to the sides and back towards the shooter, so it's far less disrupting shooting BC. Also, since the BC isn't slotted along the entire circumference, it doesn't kick up as much dust in prone or near the ground as the PWS or brakes that are open. I really couldn't discern a 'winner' between the PWS and BC as far as controlling muzzle rise.

From some night footage we were able to take, the BC also has less flash than the PWS, although both still have more than the standard A2.

After a couple outings shooting the BC 1.0, I decided to buy one. Ya, it's a lot of money. But for me, it really increases the joy in my shooting experience! Especially coming from an A2. The fit and finish on the product is fabulous, and I truly feel that, as far as quality control is concerned, BCE has this as a top priority.

Paulo, I wouldn't worry about replacing your pinned FSC with a BC 1.5... I would just keep the BC compensator in mind next time you are looking at purchasing a new upper :)

Stick... Can't wait for your full review!

[GriffonSec]

Paulo,

That makes it much clearer. Definitely not worth the change at that cost.

Rob,

If you're interested, you're welcome to T&E my BABC around the end of the month. If I'm not mistaken, I thought you were running a 6.8 SBR type, and would be interested in your feedback. I'm going to bounce back and forth with my SBR over the next couple of weeks, but it doesn't have to stay on the rifle by any means at the moment, as I'm perfectly satisfied so far with what's on it.

S

[Optimus Prime]

I saw the BattleComp as an alternative to the super-expensive KAC Triple Tap. Makes the $125 look like a steal! (BattleComp also offers a slight discount for Mil/LEO, which is nice.)

[willardcw4]

I know LEO Armory (www.leoarmory.com) also gives discounts on products, including the BC 1.0, for mil, leo, ff, and ems... BCE also gives discounts straight from the manufacturer.

[tac40]

Good to see the BC is getting used, I've been running one on a Colt 6920. The video by mil-spec monkey, opening scene, is my buddy from work. We shot the BC and liked the device. I'll add some info later.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEBRLHsPU68

[Army Chief]

I've had one for about a month, and through the first couple hundred rounds, I would have to say that the product seems to live up to its billing. Paid full (MIL/LEO) price, and while it is steep compared to conventional FHs/comps, as stated, it is extremely reasonable when you consider that it is really a peer competitor for the KAC Triple Tap.

Still getting used to the way that the BattleComp affects the recoil pulse, but the changes are unquestionably positive. I just wasn't expecting this noticeable of a difference from a muzzle device. It definitely has me reconsidering some of my old preferences.

AC

[tac40]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2jW2vuyHxc&feature=related

When we did this, we shot the BC and the A2, I liked the BC. Capt is active SWAT commander for a local PD down here.

[Optimus Prime]

Still getting used to the way that the BattleComp affects the recoil pulse, but the changes are unquestionably positive. I just wasn't expecting this noticeable of a difference from a muzzle device. It definitely has me reconsidering some of my old preferences.

AC

I know what you mean. Here's my buddy shooting it for the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXuCsUb6y7g

[Multitaskertools]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2jW2vuyHxc&feature=related

When we did this, we shot the BC and the A2, I liked the BC. Capt is active SWAT commander for a local PD down here.

that is pretty cool.

[Stickman]

This appears to be the max flash that you can see in the daytime. The flash is primarily contained inside the device itself.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Miscellaneous/868W9564-1024-Stick.jpg

[BamaMike]

This appears to be the max flash that you can see in the daytime. The flash is primarily contained inside the device itself.



How did you time it (camera)?

A very cool pix!

- Mike

[Uglyduck]

w/his ninja reflexes. His camera finger is so fast he has to tell Costa to pull the trigger faster to keep up.


I don't want to hijack and start the thread down that road so back on topic [BD]

looking forward to the review Stick, I'm somewhat amazed at how quickly this muzzle devise has become popular. BC must be doing something right.

[Stickman]

w/his ninja reflexes.



While there is no arguing with the above statement, shooting at 10 frames per second doesn't hurt either..... :P

[TehLlama]

I still contend that it's absolutely necessary now, without The Stig, that these become Costa and/or Stick jokes.

Any comparison vs. the A2? I'm looking at both, I'm just curious what the difference in flash is (any light conditions) - the videos above are great for the low light, I just wish they had ran an A2 as well.

[tac40]

Man that's a nice picture of the BC Stick, love slow mo pics.

[Uglyduck]

Here's a good video comparing the A2, PWS, and BC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggfyDANbD6U&feature=player_embedded

[Stickman]

Man that's a nice picture of the BC Stick, love slow mo pics.

At 10FPS, I should put it into video form.

[TripleBravo]

At 10FPS, I should put it into video form.

A Stickman produced video?....that's something I'd like to see!

[Aragorn]

That flash doesn't appear to be a whole lot more than what I get out of my PWS FSC, if at all...

[willardcw4]

Here's a good video comparing the A2, PWS, and BC


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggfyDANbD6U&feature=player_embedded

When we were out taking these shots it was clear that the BC 1.0 does produce less visible flash than the PWS TTO (which is similar to the FSC556). The downrange video might change if we used a PWS FSC556 vs. PWS TTO, but the main chamber of both compensators is the same, so you can still make the comparison between the FSC556 and the BC 1.0 when looking perpendicular to the muzzle break (like Stick's amazing pic).

It makes sense that you'd have less flash in the BC 1.0 since the chamber is slotted, opposed to having a more open chamber like the FSC.

I'd like to do some more comparisons with night vision testing between the different breaks and flash hiders, but that's up to 87GN at www.vuurwapenblog.com ;)

The A2 still offers better flash hiding, no question about it :) I still run a BC 1.0 on my weapon though! ;) It just depends on your priority / use for the weapon.

[GriffonSec]

Got some time today with the BC on the 8.5" SBR in 6.8 SPC. Not as blasty as I would have imagined, but did feel powder on support arm (upper forearm). Noise was acceptable and even comparable after removing the Levang style Black River Tactical "Cover Comp" (which I also think highly of, but the BC fits my intended purpose of this build.)

Please excuse any improper anythings, just a day of safe backyard shooting.

110gr Hornady OTM match:

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/th_100_0001.jpg (http://s624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/?action=view&current=100_0001.mp4)


110gr SSA prohunter. Flash and powder (arm) more noticeable.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/th_100_0016.jpg (http://s624.photobucket.com/albums/tt323/griffonsec/?action=view&current=100_0016.mp4)

[Hmac]

Local defensive carbine course this weekend - was able to put a lot of rounds through both FSC556 and BCE 1.0. Loved the BattleComp on my Noveske Light Recce. FSC556 on my 11.5 SBR...not so much.

Significant difference in blast. The FSC556 was pretty violent - ears ringing pretty good from the noise, which made it through my earpro (HL Impact Sport). Had to add a set of Surefires underneath. Now to decide whether to switch the BattleComp to the SBR to compare, or just bite the bullet and buy another BattleComp for it.

http://mccollister.info/fsc556.jpg

[Aragorn]

I also got to shoot the BC 1.0 today (er, technically yesterday) alongside my PWS FSC as well. It was pouring torrential rain today (think Noah's Ark) and was heavy enough cloud cover to simulate early evening or dawn twilight. The battle comp trumped my PWS FSC in every regard, even to include flash.

Basic statistics on the rifles:

PWS FSC, 16" chrome lined barrel w/ midlength gas system, auto carrier group, Spike's T2 Buffer and a CS Flatwire buffer spring.

Battlecomp 1.0, 16" chrome lined barrel w/ midlength gas system, unsure on the carrier group, standard carbine buffer and spring.

Also it would be of note that the AR wearing the Battlecomp had significantly more heft up front due to a heavier barrel profile and accessories. I do NOT know how much that vs. the Battlecomp affected muzzle flip. I DO know that it was even easier than my rifle, wearing the PWS, to keep on target. As for blast/concussion and noise, the BC didn't behave at all like a break, as the characteristics were actually much closer the Smith Vortex that was also present. Recoil impulse between the two was similar, though mine was smoother (almost definitely due to the buffer system). Flash, as noted above, was also less. Noticeable, but not significantly.

In a nutshell, the biggest difference was far and away the blast and noise (or lack thereof), with slightly better muzzle control and slightly less flash when compared to the PWS FSC.

**I'll add a disclaimer that this obviously was not a scientific test in any way, shape, or form. Merely my observations.

[tac40]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_34SqOr8HU

My buddy the firefighter and novice shooter shooting a Colt M4 full auto with Battle comp, 1st time, his impression was "wow". We also shot the Battle Comp in a Springfield SOCOM II 308, it tamed the 308 to a easier working rilfe.

[tac40]

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/horseplay/bc308001.jpg

Battle Comp in a 308

[tac40]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlH1VSArfCk

Using a Daniel Defense AR with Battle comp

[Uglyduck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr433ma17a0

[TripleBravo]

Gave two BC 1.5s a work out at the range on Tuesday....

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/Battle%20Comp/BattleCompsShot-web01.jpg

[JohnnyRambo]

Battle Comp rocks!!!

I bought one when they first came out and put it to the test during a carbine course. It was well worth the money!

Not only is it an excellent product, but they have great customer service as well. I deal with Brian Normandy and he is a great guy. They take great care of their dealers and their customers.

Certainly a great addition to any tactical or competition type rifle. I highly recommend this product!

[gscadam]

Another +1 from me. Worth the coin. I do not have any experience with any of the other compensators nor brakes on the market; my only comparison is against an A2 flashider.

The difference between shooting my MForgery with Battlecomp alongside a carbine with an A2 is huge! No muzzle climb at all with the BC, and I did not notice any real increase in blast or noise (shooting an indoor range, closest to the wall) going to the Battlecomp equipped gun after the A2.

It did everything that was advertised. Very pleased. :P

[AR-10]

Scratch that, I just saw the above pics.

I know which one to order now.

[Stickman]

Battle Comp review at Military Times.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2011/02/18/battle-comp-review/


http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/battle-comp/Stck_3080-1024-Stick.jpg

[Cannon Fodder]

Battle Comp review at Military Times.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2011/02/18/battle-comp-review/

Nice review, Stickman. One question:

I note that the Battlecomp brakes don't seem to be directly compatable with tools designed for A2 style FS mounting. How do you prefer to attach yours securely (as I've read they need to be Timed)?

[Stickman]

Nice review, Stickman. One question:

I note that the Battlecomp brakes don't seem to be directly compatable with tools designed for A2 style FS mounting. How do you prefer to attach yours securely (as I've read they need to be Timed)?

I use the Hammer Head rifle tool, which works with A2 FS, and have never had any issues.

[CLBME]

I recently installed a Battle Comp on my Stag carbine and it's my first experience with any type of compensator. I dragged my feet before buying the BattleComp and shot the Stag quite a bit with the standard flashhider. I just wasn't sure if it would be worth the money. I can say after using it that it was. It's a vast improvement over the stock flashhider and I really don't notice it being any louder. Also contributing to my complete satisfaction with the BattleComp was a long series of emails both during and after hours with Marty Bloem from BattleComp. He was very patient as I asked novice questions and then helped me with my install. He provided great service. What more could a person ask for? A product that works as advertised coupled with great customer service!

[TangoSauce]

Excuse the extreme bump of this thread, but I've been looking around for some info on the BC 2.0, so I thought I'd ask here.

I'm running a 1.5 on my 14.5'' as well as a BABC on my 18'' 6.8. Putting together a Noveske Recon build now that will be set up more for precision rig. I have a 2.0 on hand, but I'm not sure if I should install the 2.0 or go with a different muzzle device. Anybody with thoughts on this one? Feedback is much appreciated.

[Stickman]

Excuse the extreme bump of this thread, but I've been looking around for some info on the BC 2.0, so I thought I'd ask here.

I'm running a 1.5 on my 14.5'' as well as a BABC on my 18'' 6.8. Putting together a Noveske Recon build now that will be set up more for precision rig. I have a 2.0 on hand, but I'm not sure if I should install the 2.0 or go with a different muzzle device. Anybody with thoughts on this one? Feedback is much appreciated.

If you already have an extra one on hand, I would certainly use it. The worst that happens is that you don't like it, but since you already use them, you know how good they work.

[TangoSauce]

Thanks for the input Stickman. There seems to be some concern about long distance accuracy with them when you read some of the BC threads. The only information that I've really found that uses data to back up assumption is a thread over on M4C where it was mentioned that no effect of accuracy degradation was seen at 600 yards on steel. Just wanted to ensure that the BC 2.0 is gtg for longer range shooting.