lamarbrog
26 August 2011, 08:09
http://www.personaldefensenetwork.com/articles/tactics-defensive-issues/carbine-malfunctions-part-2/
In an attempt to be continuously learning and reviewing what I already know, I've been reading this article. It seems pretty good, but I'm not sure it is 100% correct and want to get some clarification. (I fully acknowledge I may be wrong here, as I've never encountered a stove pipe on an AR15/M16.) The section in question is about clearing a stove pipe.
The article seems to propose that with a stove pipe there is a loaded magazine, an empty chamber, and a casing sticking out of the ejection port. As is described in the article; seating the magazine, turning the rifle so the ejection port is facing the ground, and racking the rifle will allow the casing to fall free and a fresh round to be chambered.
Here's my problem with this. Unless the rifle is short-cycling, the bolt would have picked up a round from the magazine on its way forward when it caught the casing. Since the casing is preventing it from getting into battery, though, the extractor probably wouldn't have locked onto the case rim, so you have a cartridge sitting loosely about 80% of the way into the chamber.
Pulling back on the charging handle probably will allow the casing to drop free... but the new mostly-chambered cartridge probably wouldn't drop free without a good bit of shaking and the proper angle. So, now you have a round in the chamber, a loaded magazine, and the bolt pulled to the rear. This would cause a double feed, and make the malfunction worse.
I'm probably missing something here... but the only rifle I've ever experienced a stove pipe on was an SKS quite a few years back, and I don't remember the details. If someone would clarify this, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
In an attempt to be continuously learning and reviewing what I already know, I've been reading this article. It seems pretty good, but I'm not sure it is 100% correct and want to get some clarification. (I fully acknowledge I may be wrong here, as I've never encountered a stove pipe on an AR15/M16.) The section in question is about clearing a stove pipe.
The article seems to propose that with a stove pipe there is a loaded magazine, an empty chamber, and a casing sticking out of the ejection port. As is described in the article; seating the magazine, turning the rifle so the ejection port is facing the ground, and racking the rifle will allow the casing to fall free and a fresh round to be chambered.
Here's my problem with this. Unless the rifle is short-cycling, the bolt would have picked up a round from the magazine on its way forward when it caught the casing. Since the casing is preventing it from getting into battery, though, the extractor probably wouldn't have locked onto the case rim, so you have a cartridge sitting loosely about 80% of the way into the chamber.
Pulling back on the charging handle probably will allow the casing to drop free... but the new mostly-chambered cartridge probably wouldn't drop free without a good bit of shaking and the proper angle. So, now you have a round in the chamber, a loaded magazine, and the bolt pulled to the rear. This would cause a double feed, and make the malfunction worse.
I'm probably missing something here... but the only rifle I've ever experienced a stove pipe on was an SKS quite a few years back, and I don't remember the details. If someone would clarify this, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.