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h0use
2 May 2013, 11:09
Just wanted to pass this along. My friend is starting his own machine shop.


http://www.rockethub.com/projects/24940-supporting-california-2nd-amendments-rights-and-helping-rights-to-bear-arms

UWone77
2 May 2013, 17:33
$95 for a non-anodized 80% lower?[crazy]

h0use
2 May 2013, 17:35
7075 billet

FortTom
2 May 2013, 19:09
So, if I were to purchase a 80% Lower, since I'm not an FFL holder, nor wish to be, then what? How do I get it finished? If I were to mount one of those in a small milling machine and drill the holes, I would suppose the ATF would be ready to cuff me, correct?
I would (correct me if I'm wrong) have to take it to another manufacturer to have a serial number and complete the lower, I'm assuming?

I mean I'm thinking something like this. Said FFL holder probably has as part of license some kind of permission to be a manufacturer? Then they would have to log in the piece, add a serial number, then complete the lower? Then, they would have to sale (or transfer) said lower back to me in the traditional manner, of me filling out the paperwork, then a NICS check, I'm assuming? Sounds like a lot of headache, and a lot more money?

I wish your friend well, in his endeavors, but that whole scenario makes me nervous.

BTW, we just had a dealer here get busted the other day, right in his store. According to people we both know in common, it wasn't pretty. He was approached by an ATF agent, undercover, and offered a great "deal" money wise, to sell him a firearm, because he was a "convicted felon" and couldn't pass a background check. Said moron was greedier than smart. The not pretty part was the raid that came later. From news, and civilian reports, ATF busted in like gangsters, throwing customers and everyone and everything else to the ground. Said moron is facing some serious jail time. Hell, I even heard they took his coke machine? Really?

I'm not suggesting that any of this has anything to do with your buddy, but something like that, in this smallish town just makes me want to get my firearms the easy way. Through an FFL, with a NiCS check, serial number appropriately affixed from factory. No ATF, no problem. I'm a chicken.

FT[BD]

bzdog
2 May 2013, 20:44
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bzdog
2 May 2013, 20:46
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/559596_What_do_I_need_to_stamp_or_engrave_onto_my_ 80__lower_to_make_it_legal_.html

-john

h0use
2 May 2013, 21:11
No FFL is needed. ATF allows you to make your own firearm and you don't have to register it if your not planing on selling it. As for completing it, you can buy a jig or rent one. And use a drill press. Takes about 4 hours to do the work.

UWone77
2 May 2013, 21:20
80% lowers are completely legal to finish yourself. You don't have to register it or have a serial number. However, other than a couple of samples, I've never seen one that looked decent. I'm sure they are functional, but not my first choice. Obviously there are many skilled machinists out there that could make their lower look and function just fine. For the money, I'd rather just cough up my $135 and buy a forged Mega Lower.

FortTom
2 May 2013, 21:21
No FFL is needed. ATF allows you to make your own firearm and you don't have to register it if your not planing on selling it. As for completing it, you can buy a jig or rent one. And use a drill press. Takes about 4 hours to do the work.

Wow, I did not know that, and I guess logically that if follows that I'd need no serial number on the weapon? I wouldn't have never, ever, guess that. Sounds like an interesting project.

FT

AR-10
4 May 2013, 11:34
$95 is actually a good deal, in today's market.

The fact that they used 7075 makes them even more attractive, most of the billet 80% receivers you see are 6061-T6.

I paid a lot more than $95 for my forged receivers from Tactical Machining because I bought them after the panic like an idiot.

As for the serial number, it is not required unless you sell it.

Read here:

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/BATFE-AMD-65-Manufacture-Marking-2004-11-09.pdf

I put serial numbers on mine, even though I don't plan on selling them - I figured a serial number is a good idea if they ever get stolen.

Here's mine, they were a fun project but I don't suggest taking something like this on unless you have access to a mill:

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/4935/98770824.jpg

UWone77
4 May 2013, 13:19
I never purchased anything at panic prices, so I supposed I'm spoiled. I do see why 80% lowers would appeal to some, but personally, I'drather pony up my $135 for a properly manufactured forged lower as billet has limited appeal to me. YMMV

FortTom
4 May 2013, 21:14
No FFL is needed. ATF allows you to make your own firearm and you don't have to register it if your not planing on selling it. As for completing it, you can buy a jig or rent one. And use a drill press. Takes about 4 hours to do the work.
Does anyone here know where you can rent a jig for this? Have access to milling machine for drilling but If I had to pay to get a jig made, it just wouldn't be worth the time or money.

FT.

AR-10
4 May 2013, 21:50
If you have a mill to use, the jig is not necessary.

If you only have a drill press, then you definitely want a jig.

Ideally you want a mill with a digital read-out but the DRO is not absolutely necessary, it will just take you a little longer to complete the operations without it.

I downloaded a blueprint from cncguns and located on the pivot pin hole to finish my receivers.

You can find it here, under the Blueprints drop down menu:

http://www.cncguns.com/downloads.html

There's also a very good book you should read, it shows you how to finish an uncut 0% forging which is a lot more work but it is packed with good info:

http://arlower.ray-vin.com/ar15/

colbyslanbia
22 August 2013, 04:06
$95 is actually a good deal, in today's market.

The fact that they used 7075 makes them even more attractive, most of the billet 80% receivers you see are 6061-T6.

I paid a lot more than $95 for my forged receivers from Tactical Machining because I bought them after the panic like an idiot.

As for the serial number, it is not required unless you sell it.

Read here:

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/BATFE-AMD-65-Manufacture-Marking-2004-11-09.pdf

I put serial numbers on mine, even though I don't plan on selling them - I figured a serial number is a good idea if they ever get stolen.

Here's mine, they were a fun project but I don't suggest taking something like this on unless you have access to a mill:

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/4935/98770824.jpg

yeah thanks for this comes in hadny for future refernce