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Stickman
4 May 2013, 21:10
The Centurion Modular Rail (CMR) (http://www.centurionarms.net/) was first shown at SHOT 2013, and was shown installed on a Centurion Arms complete .308 build. The rail received positive reviews from everyone who handled it, but the most common question was how long it would be until a 5.56 variant was released.

For the past several months, I've been working with the Centurion Arms .308 Battle Rifle, and the CMR rail has quickly become one of my favorite. The over all feel and light weight provides a great balance for the .308 platform.

Fast forwarding to more recent times, and I'm now in a position to comment on the 5.56 CMR rails. I have had a chance to run drills, do several installations, as well as have a friend and fellow instructor go over them with me. Without a doubt, these are some of the easiest, if not "THE" easiest barrel nut and rail assembly either of us have ever installed.

The Centurion Modular Rail is first being released in 12 and 14 inch versions in both the 5.56 and .308 variants.

The 12" rail weighs 10 7/8 oz (308g), and with the barrel nut and three installation screws is a total of 13 1/8oz (371g). Total length is roughly 12 1/2", which is normal for most rails labeled as 12 inchers. The reason for this is that is the length needed to cover the receiver to FSB on a rifle, which is the traditional 12"/ rifle rail. If the CMR used an old school locking collar, the actual rail would be 12" while the collar made up the difference.

The 14" rail weighs 11 3/4 oz (333g), and with the barrel nut and three installation screws is a total of 14 oz (398g). Overall length on the 14" rail is roughly 13 3/4".

Machine work on the rails is all extremely high quality, and the anodizing is very clean. It is evident these rails have a lot of machine time, and for people who are unaware, machine time is what is the driving force behind the end price. This is why you see cheap, heavy rails with sharp edges being sold for low prices. This is not a cheap heavy rail, and it does not have sharp edges.

The sides are blended nicely, and the lightening / cooling/ vent holes are well laid out. Anti-rotation tabs are part of the rail, and are nice and snug on each of the forged receivers we used (3 total).

Installation of the rail is easy, and it is entirely possible we will do another article showing the various steps. For now, we will just talk about it a bit. The barrel nut is grooved, and the bolts which lock the barrel nut to the rail ensure there can be no movement once installed. The barrel nut is tightened with an old school barrel nut wrench, the type that only has one tooth. These are pretty cheap to pick up if you don't already have one, and don't slip off like a standard barrel nut. The other way to do it is using a spanner wrench (the pin or hook type), which should run you under $15 for most hardware or similar stores. Torque specs are 30-80 ft pounds, which is simple when there is no need to line up a gas tube.

With the barrel nut installed, slide the end of the rail into place. It may take a firm press to lock it up against the receiver, and it is normal to have a tiny space in between the two parts. Now use a 3/32 allen head wrench and install the 3 screws. There is no need for thread locker, but you should alternate tightening each screw and side just like you would a lug nut. Watch your alignment on the top of the rail and your receiver, but we found everything lined up perfect ever after we took it apart a few times.

The Centurion Modular Rails will be hitting your AR15 stores this month in 12 & 14" and in 5.56 and .308. If you don't know who carries them, Rainier Arms and Bravo Company are both large CA stocking dealers, as well as a load of others.



You may notice the second picture has a Surefire Scout Light mounted, this is a prototype of one of the mounts Centurion Arms will be releasing along with the rails. 1913 sections are also going to be coming out shortly, and none of these add one pieces use backer plates or screws.

There are also some additional items coming out for this rail series, but I'm not 100% sure what I can or can't talk about. When I get more information, and verify that I can speak freely, I'll post more info and pictures.

If you have any questions, feel free to fire away, I'll answer whatever I can.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Centurion%20Arms%202/STCK1160-1200-Stick.jpg

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Centurion%20Arms%202/STCK1193-1200-Stick.jpg

TripleBravo
4 May 2013, 21:20
Nice!

AR-10
4 May 2013, 22:09
Would you happen to know the width of the 5.56 rails, I am very interested in these.

UWone77
5 May 2013, 02:46
I got to play with and install a CMR rail. Like Stick says, these are some of the easiest rails you'll ever have to install. As you would expect from Centurion Arms, the machining is first rate, and the entire install was very smooth. I will be replacing more of my setups down the road with these rails.

Wondering Beard
5 May 2013, 10:55
How easy is it to install accessories at 9, 6, 3 o'clock, like a VFG, a handstop or a light?

Is it like the Troy rails where you have to remove the rail in order to install things?

UWone77
5 May 2013, 11:23
How easy is it to install accessories at 9, 6, 3 o'clock, like a VFG, a handstop or a light?

Is it like the Troy rails where you have to remove the rail in order to install things?

You just screw on the panels to the threads. No removal necessary.

Stickman
5 May 2013, 14:05
How easy is it to install accessories at 9, 6, 3 o'clock, like a VFG, a handstop or a light?

Is it like the Troy rails where you have to remove the rail in order to install things?


As already stated, it is very simple to install the various components.

It is not fair to compare a Troy rail to the CMR. It is like comparing apples and brussel sprouts, ok, maybe not really comparing those two things.

Troy rails are pumped out with a minimal amount of machine time, and it shows. That doesn't make them bad, but it does establish them as a cheaper option. The machine time is what raises costs. If you compare the Troy rails to the Centurion CMR, the CMR ends up looking like masterful art work.

Wondering Beard
7 May 2013, 09:11
Stickman, I wasn't comparing the two in terms of quality (I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to do that) only in terms of ease in placing and removing accessories.

UWone77
7 May 2013, 12:51
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Stickman
7 May 2013, 19:08
Stickman, I wasn't comparing the two in terms of quality (I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to do that) only in terms of ease in placing and removing accessories.

There is no need to remove the rail, just screw the screws in. [:)]

Stickman
7 May 2013, 19:08
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7430/8719280972_15d7bcdbdf_o.jpg

tac40
8 May 2013, 15:07
Looking forward in seeing this on the market.

Stickman
8 May 2013, 20:32
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Stickman
9 May 2013, 14:07
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UWone77
9 May 2013, 15:59
Centurion Arms (http://www.centurionarms.net) CMR installation guide here:

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?4873-Centurion-Arms-CMR-Rail-Installation

Stickman
9 May 2013, 18:51
First look at Centurion Arms CMR rail with pre-preproduction rail covers and SureFire, LLC Scout Mount. Also shown is the BattleComp 1.5 and Magpul Industries Corp. MBUS.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/8725071648_58eebee083_o.jpg

Stickman
10 May 2013, 13:04
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7367/8725502466_f8f5866441_o.jpg

Stickman
10 May 2013, 16:27
Centurion Arms CMR Rail with black pre-production covers. This picture shows the 1913 rail installed on the bottom with the Magpul AFG attached.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7327/8727510898_d01e0c8972_o.jpg

mlosi762
10 May 2013, 16:36
While I could never give up my DD Lite Rail, I'm diggin' the look of those rail covers, how do they feel Stick?

Stickman
10 May 2013, 17:12
While I could never give up my DD Lite Rail, I'm diggin' the look of those rail covers, how do they feel Stick?


They feel great, I've ditched all my Lite rails but one in favor of Centurion Arms.

Stickman
10 May 2013, 17:12
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7283/8726472553_1d895ed2b7_o.jpg

UWone77
10 May 2013, 19:55
While I could never give up my DD Lite Rail, I'm diggin' the look of those rail covers, how do they feel Stick?

2008 Called... they want their Lite Rail Back.

I still have 2 12" Lite rails, but they are about to be swapped out with CMR's. They are that good. The Lite Rail was and still is a good rail, but I think in the last few years, many rail designs have surpassed them in terms of both function and weight... as well as asthetics.

Stickman
11 May 2013, 11:29
Centurion CMR extended barrel nut.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/8726910389_1b95da4009_o.jpg

Stickman
11 May 2013, 13:22
Centurion Arms CMR Rail showing the available bipod stud and 1913 sections.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7400/8729731128_fba91ccfa4_o.jpg

Stickman
11 May 2013, 19:30
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Stickman
11 May 2013, 23:13
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Stickman
11 May 2013, 23:16
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Stickman
12 May 2013, 14:29
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mlosi762
12 May 2013, 17:10
2008 Called... they want their Lite Rail Back.

I still have 2 12" Lite rails, but they are about to be swapped out with CMR's. They are that good. The Lite Rail was and still is a good rail, but I think in the last few years, many rail designs have surpassed them in terms of both function and weight... as well as asthetics.

Lol. If I could sell it used for close to what I paid in 2008, I might consider upgrading.

UWone77
12 May 2013, 17:53
Lol. If I could sell it used for close to what I paid in 2008, I might consider upgrading.

I hear you there. I think I paid $320 in 2008 $$$ for my first Lite Rail. But... you have it all wrong. You don't have to upgrade your current rails, you just build new uppers!

Stickman
12 May 2013, 18:56
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Stickman
12 May 2013, 20:20
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Stickman
13 May 2013, 14:08
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Stickman
13 May 2013, 17:59
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/8736159877_291984cae1_o.jpg

mlosi762
13 May 2013, 20:19
I hear you there. I think I paid $320 in 2008 $$$ for my first Lite Rail. But... you have it all wrong. You don't have to upgrade your current rails, you just build new uppers!

That would be the more logical route. I mean, what else am I gonna do with the spare stripped upper and 300BLK barrel sitting my parts bin?... Hmmmm

Stickman
14 May 2013, 08:57
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Stickman
14 May 2013, 15:33
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/8738780247_0540b15cc8_o.jpg

thatdamngoat
14 May 2013, 16:03
Hey Stick, what's the barrel lenght, muzzle device, and suppressor combo on that last picture?

UWone77
14 May 2013, 20:02
Hey Stick, what's the barrel lenght, muzzle device, and suppressor combo on that last picture?

Looks like a 16" on an AAC MITER mount/SPR can

Stickman
14 May 2013, 21:26
Looks like a 16" on an AAC MITER mount/SPR can


Exactly!!

Stickman
14 May 2013, 21:26
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Stickman
16 May 2013, 16:37
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Stickman
16 May 2013, 16:37
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Stickman
18 May 2013, 11:36
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Stickman
19 May 2013, 16:27
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Stickman
19 May 2013, 16:27
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Stickman
19 May 2013, 22:43
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Stickman
22 May 2013, 19:35
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Stickman
24 May 2013, 20:53
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Stickman
31 May 2013, 20:04
Centurion Arms CMR rails do not come with any rail sections, which is nice if you are like me and don't want extra stuff thrown in you aren't going to use. If I need rails, covers, spices, drink mixes or anything else, I'll buy them on my own. Nothing is free, it is all added into the cost of the products.

In this case, Centurion Arms will have a very low profile 1913 rail section out in a few months, but for anyone who wants to go cheap, get it now, or already has Magpul plastic rails floating around, this trick works great.

The two hole polymer Magpul MOE section lines up perfectly with the CMR rail (the 3 screw does not). Using 8/32 screws, screw the polymer section in, and you are good to go!

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5460/8908323074_38859c97e6_o.jpg

Calengor
31 May 2013, 20:51
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone know who around MD does the work to change my current centurion arms upper (see picture)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/Ac13bQm4Bfyt37aZUsebWv4kUAxkeP0fidWhLe2HvWM=w772-h577-no
to one like the one on the bottom of Stickman's picture below? How much would I be looking at in parts and labor if anyone knows?
As I see it, I'd have to get the BC1.5 removed, the current C4 rail taken off, the front sight shaved down, the CMR put on and then a new BC1.5 put on and welded. Oh, and I'd have to get a front sight. Did I miss anything?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7409/8754897030_07bb00af5d_o.jpg

UWone77
31 May 2013, 22:00
This may be a stupid question, but does anyone know who around MD does the work to change my current centurion arms upper (see picture)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/Ac13bQm4Bfyt37aZUsebWv4kUAxkeP0fidWhLe2HvWM=w772-h577-no
to one like the one on the bottom of Stickman's picture below? How much would I be looking at in parts and labor if anyone knows?
As I see it, I'd have to get the BC1.5 removed, the current C4 rail taken off, the front sight shaved down, the CMR put on and then a new BC1.5 put on and welded. Oh, and I'd have to get a front sight. Did I miss anything?

From what you describe, your Battle Comp 1.5 is pinned and welded. For the cost of un-pinning/welding ($50), buying a new battlecomp ($155) then paying someone to shave the FSP ($???) and another pin/weld ($30) you're probably half way to a new upper. If I were you, I'd keep your current setup as it's a 14.5 w/ Perm'ed BattleComp, and just start with a new upper. You're already buying a CMR rail as it is, so really for just a few more dollars you can have another upper.

Calengor
1 June 2013, 05:39
I hadn't thought of it that way, UWone77. I'll probably eventually go down that path, thanks!

Stickman
1 June 2013, 13:47
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7433/8915812047_ef8ce6036d_o.jpg

Calengor
7 June 2013, 22:25
Stick,

Do you think the 14" CMR will completely cover the gas block on a rifle length gas system like on an 18" SPR type?

Stickman
9 June 2013, 10:16
Stick,

Do you think the 14" CMR will completely cover the gas block on a rifle length gas system like on an 18" SPR type?

Yes, it should.

Stickman
9 June 2013, 10:16
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5467/8941539155_2e4f0ddfa8_o.jpg

Deckard
9 June 2013, 11:53
I wish more companies made a modular FSP cut out free float.

UWone77
10 June 2013, 02:55
I wish more companies made a modular FSP cut out free float.

Or how about a FSP middy cutout 14"

aegis305
1 January 2014, 09:00
Will the 12.5" CMR fit behind the fixed A2 front sight post of a traditional 20" rifle barrel?

Similarly,. could you use the 12.5" CMR in conjunction with a rifle length SPR barrel and a VLTOR front folding sight/gas block?

UWone77
1 April 2014, 19:21
Stick posted this last night, the new 9.5 CMR Rail should be shipping to dealers soon. They've made some changes to the rail and it looks like they've reduced some weight. Changes are likely for the rest of the line.


http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/1385222_650271555021919_1585983155_n_zpsf2f0f1b8.j pg (http://s849.photobucket.com/user/UWone77/media/1385222_650271555021919_1585983155_n_zpsf2f0f1b8.j pg.html)