Parallax Tactical Gen2 TIN Bolt Carrier Group

[UWone77]

Parallax Tactical (http://parallaxtactical.com/products/pxt-gen2-m-16-tin-titanium-nitrite-complete-bcg) has had these TIN carriers available for awhile, but I thought I'd post here as we have quite a few Nickel Boron fan and they've released their lower cost Gen2 version. Parallax Tactica (http://parallaxtactical.com/products/pxt-gen2-m-16-tin-titanium-nitrite-complete-bcg)l first has the carrier coated in Nickel Boron. Then polished, before getting it sent out to get coated with TIN. In addition to its beautiful gold color, TIN gives the Bolt Carrier Group one of the hardest surfaces possible. Titanium Nitride pushes the hardness level above Rockwell C hardness of 88. Parallax Tactical uses high quality mil-spec Carpenter 158 bolts to ensure reliability. Visit Parallax Tactical here (http://parallaxtactical.com/products/pxt-gen2-m-16-tin-titanium-nitrite-complete-bcg) to order.


Description:


Parallax Tactical's (http://parallaxtactical.com/products/pxt-gen2-m-16-tin-titanium-nitrite-complete-bcg) Titanium Nitride Bolt Carrier Group is an 8620 steel bolt carrier that has been coated using a technique called cathodic arc PVD, or physical vapor deposition. This bolt carrier group is completed with a Nickel Boron coated Carpenter 158 bolt and 4130 steel cam pin.

TiN is an extremely hard ceramic material, often used as a coating on titanium alloys, tool steel, stainless steel, carbon steel and other metallic components to improve the substrate's surface properties. Common applications include aerospace parts, military components, medical implants, cutting tools, industrial parts, manufacturing dies / molds and dental and orthodontic appliances. TiN is a beautiful gold color and is often used as a wear resistant alternative to elemental gold plating.
The Carpenter 158 steel is also Magnetic Particle Inspected


Benefits of TiN coating:


•Hard, scratch and wear resistant
•Lubricious, corrosion and chemical resistant
•Beautiful gold color
•No appreciable build-up to interfere with firearm operation
•Cost effective alternative to Gold plating


Specifications:


M16 Carrier 8620 Steel
Milspec Carpenter No. 158® steel
4130 Steel Cam Pin
MPI Bolt (Magnetic Particle Inspected)
Gas Key Hardened
Grade 8 Hardened Fasteners
Key Properly Staked



MSRP: $199 Blems also available.


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[mustangfreek]

Interesting.. never heard or seen a TIN coated bcg...might need another build with one of these..

[Sak007]

Is that the same coating on the Salient Glock barrels ?
http://www.geardemon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/AS-HCMS-055-1L.jpg

[Judicator]

Bad ass looking. This will now allow me to match my chain when I go shooting. I'll be showing off my bling!

[Aragorn]

I've heard of several occasions where someone ran a TIN BCG and it ended up damaging the "softer" components it comes into contact with. Over time mind you, but that would be components like your FCG...

I wonder how a NiB coated FCG would fair though. I would think better. Either way, I'd be eager to see a long term eval.

[UWone77]

Just a small clarification I received from the owner of Parallax Tactical:


"the PVD ones are Gen1, the CVD ones are Gen2. Easiest way to tell is the polished ones are Gen1, PVD on top of NiB on the carrier. The Gen2 are CVD (What the new Salient BCGs are.) So the Gen2s don't have a mirror finish, the newest ones have a burnished dull gold finish (by popular request.)"

In case you're wondering as I was, PVD (Physical Vapor Deposition) and CVD (Chemical Vapor Deposition)

PVD uses physical processes only while CVD primarily uses chemical processes
PVD typically uses a pure source material while CVD uses a mixed source material

To read more on the differences, check here: http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/industrial/difference-between-pvd-and-cvd/

[Judicator]

stop bumping this thread haha. I been fighting the urge to grab one.

[UWone77]

stop bumping this thread haha. I been fighting the urge to grab one.

Sorry :)

I went ahead and threw down my money for one to test it out and put a little abuse on it.

[GOST]

UWone77 that'll look good in your NiB build.

[UWone77]

Right before we ran this carrier though 300 rounds of suppressed F/A


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[UWone77]

Parallax Tactical (http://parallaxtactical.com/products/pxt-tin-processed-bolt-carrier-only-8620-w-nib-carrier-key#!prettyPhoto) is now offering just the TiN Carrier and Gas Key. Just add your own Bolt, Cam Pin, Firing Pin, and Firing Pin Retainer.

TiN Processed Bolt Carrier Only 8620 w/ NiB Carrier Key

Checkout their TiN Carrier here (http://parallaxtactical.com/products/pxt-tin-processed-bolt-carrier-only-8620-w-nib-carrier-key#!prettyPhoto)

MSRP $99


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[mustangfreek]

How is yours holding up ?

Id still like to here how they are holding up, before i plop down some money for one, as i kinda want one for some reason..

[GOST]

I hate to say it but that gold carrier is growing on me.

[mustangfreek]

What would you want to run as far as bolt in this setup.

It says on parallax's site that their complete TIN bcg has a nickle boron bolt.

So im assuming you would want to do the same ? run a nib bcg, and im assuming a nitride coated bolt would work here also?

2nd part of question, good priced bolt setup to run with this TIN setup?

[Judicator]

I'm waiting on how it's holding up also.


Sent from my IPhone, please ignore spelling mistakes. Siri is dumb.

[schambers]

Also very interested to hear how this coating hold up over the long run, and if they do in fact wear down softer surrounding components.

[UWone77]

What would you want to run as far as bolt in this setup.

It says on parallax's site that their complete TIN bcg has a nickle boron bolt.

So im assuming you would want to do the same ? run a nib bcg, and im assuming a nitride coated bolt would work here also?

2nd part of question, good priced bolt setup to run with this TIN setup?

I've purchased 2 different TiN setups from Parallax.

One has the NiB bolt, the other has a TiN bolt. Haven't used the TiN bolt/carrier yet. You can get a TiN carrier and bolt combo for a little more money. I don't have many rounds with Nitride coated bolts, so I'm not sure how they would perform with this combination.

Probably over thinking it though. Carriers rarely wear out, and bolts have to be replaced eventually.

[mustangfreek]

They say the new ones come with a NIB bolt and they phased out the TIN bolts..

Your right though, about bolt wearing out, was just curious on the coating hardness/wear..etc..

[FortTom]

I need a new complete BCU to finish my Voodoo Barrel "Ultra Lite" project, and was considering a Rainier Arms or Spikes Tactical. Mulled this over, went to the website, and lo and behold SOLD OUT!... Oh well.

FT

[mustangfreek]

I need a new complete BCU to finish my Voodoo Barrel "Ultra Lite" project, and was considering a Rainier Arms or Spikes Tactical. Mulled this over, went to the website, and lo and behold SOLD OUT!... Oh well.

FT


FT, where you been..lol

they are out of the complete BCG's , but still have just the TIN coated carriers up for grabs at $99 bux

[FortTom]

Yeah..yeah..yeah..[:D]

I'd want everything. I'm not sure about TIN, I worked with a lot of TIN machine cutting tools.. and there are some drawbacks, although I doubt that they'd be significant in an AR. I saw this thread a while back, but I went ahead and finished the light weight upper, I knew I'd test it on an existing lower with a NiB unit out of the same gun. I've decided to drop the cerekote and camo dipping, and decided just to finish the new lower, but I need a BCU and trigger to finish.

That's when I read that everything was being offered now for $199, which is about right on par with the other NIB BCG's, and went to check it out, when I saw "Out of Stock"... the 3 words I hear most in the AR world.:P

FT

[GOST]

But when are they releasing the matching Jam Master Jay 1 point sling?

[UWone77]

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[mustangfreek]

Yes....i am still pondering over one of these....

Nice!

Edit: Is it me or is one dull and one shiny?

[UWone77]

Yes....i am still pondering over one of these....

Nice!

Edit: Is it me or is one dull and one shiny?

Gen 1 and Gen 2. Newer version is on the bottom.

[Gaspipeshooter]

Yes....i am still pondering over one of these....

Nice!

Edit: Is it me or is one dull and one shiny?

Polished and matte versions.

[UWone77]

As far as I know, they are not making anymore of the polished versions.

[nCarnage]

First time seeing this. Now I must debate between something like this, ST nickel-boron, or just a standard phosphate. I need to win the lotto

[Doc_Fry]

I bought the carrier, no issues at all. But would like to add a nib bolt.

[turkishroy]

Any reason they went to a torx from an allen for the carrier key?

[morpheus]

how much are the blems ?

[Dstrbdmedic167]

how much are the blems ?

When they have them they are $149. Or at least this last batch was

[CoxeyDiesel]

Anybody know what the blem stripped carriers would run? The TiN is sexy IMO.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

When they have them they are $149. Or at least this last batch was

Edit: misread corrected price

[Pyzik]

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Bling (https://flic.kr/p/DqHdNM) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[EO3]

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Bling (https://flic.kr/p/DqHdNM) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

Man... the more I look at these, the more I think I want one. My main concern with a BCG is how smooth it is and especially how easy it cleans up. I've read about the whole "is the material too hard, etc.", but I'm not too concerned about that because I'm just a hobbyist. I've only got one AR that I just really beat up.

Put it this way - Parallax TiN or Lantac E-BCG? What say you? [BD]

[Pyzik]

Man... the more I look at these, the more I think I want one. My main concern with a BCG is how smooth it is and especially how easy it cleans up. I've read about the whole "is the material too hard, etc.", but I'm not too concerned about that because I'm just a hobbyist. I've only got one AR that I just really beat up.

Put it this way - Parallax TiN or Lantac E-BCG? What say you? [BD]

Well, since I don't have a Lantac I can't say on them but....

This carrier is super smooth. I expect it to clean up nicely. Few more pics of it nice and clean and I'll be shooting it in not too long.

As for hardness, the bolt itself is NiB not TiN. So the lugs contacting the barrel/extension won't wear the extension abnormally fast.

Though like you, I don't think it's a huge issue for a vast majority of shooters. And for those it is an issue for, you're shooting so much you're probably replacing he barrel anyway.

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[EO3]

Well, since I don't have a Lantac I can't say on them but....

This carrier is super smooth. I expect it to clean up nicely. Few more pics of it nice and clean and I'll be shooting it in not too long.

As for hardness, the bolt itself is NiB not TiN. So the lugs contacting the barrel/extension won't wear the extension abnormally fast.

Though like you, I don't think it's a huge issue for a vast majority of shooters. And for those it is an issue for, you're shooting so much you're probably replacing he barrel anyway.

What are the other two BCG's you have in this pic?

[Pyzik]

What are the other two BCG's you have in this pic?
The one on the right is a BCM that was refinished in NiB and the one on the left is AIM.

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[SINNER]

I have a TiN BCG from Weapon outfitters that the coating failed within 150 rounds. Never even considered another one. Curious to see how this one holds up.

[Pyzik]

I have a TiN BCG from Weapon outfitters that the coating failed within 150 rounds. Never even considered another one. Curious to see how this one holds up.
Uh oh.

I know WO was posting about these.... no clue if they're the same or not.

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[SINNER]

It never impacted its function but the inside of the lower looked like someone had dumped gold glitter in it and basically everywhere it made contact the coating was gone. The concerning part was it was not worn off but had flaked off and left a clearly visible jagged edge.

[Pyzik]

It never impacted its function but the inside of the lower looked like someone had dumped gold glitter in it and basically everywhere it made contact the coating was gone. The concerning part was it was not worn off but had flaked off and left a clearly visible jagged edge.
That was my first thought of worry as well.

[EO3]

The one on the right is a BCM that was refinished in NiB and the one on the left is AIM.

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I've got a cheapo Ares Armor NiB BCG that's actually been quite nice for how cheap it was. It's their Reduced Friction version.

[SINNER]

Not saying you didn't get lucky but I have never seen such poorly finished BCG's in my life. Somewhere here or on FB, I can't recall I have some photos of the garbage Ares was selling. Machining marks all over and by far the poorest staking job I have ever seen on a gas key.

[EO3]

Not saying you didn't get lucky but I have never seen such poorly finished BCG's in my life. Somewhere here or on FB, I can't recall I have some photos of the garbage Ares was selling. Machining marks all over and by far the poorest staking job I have ever seen on a gas key.

I was pleasantly surprised with mine. I couldn't find any marks on it, and the gas key was actually staked pretty well! Certainly not top notch by any means, but so far it looks like I got pretty lucky [BD]

[Pyzik]

Funny that my BCM BCG has tool marks all over it. Both the Parallax and AIM both look better.
Hell even some cheapo "Omega Manufacturing" BCG I have that is a friend's is smoother.

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[Pyzik]

BCM BCG

Believe it or not these were taken with my old phone.

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I think the NiB helps bring out all the imperfections.

[fledge]

I've not used TiN, but I don't want NiB. It failed on my V7 BCG by flaking and chipping. They warrantied it and I won't use it again. I have heard better reports of NP3 which is why I have spares from Sionics. I hope you guys have better luck.

[Pyzik]

I've not used TiN, but I don't want NiB. It failed on my V7 BCG by flaking and chipping. They warrantied it and I won't use it again. I have heard better reports of NP3 which is why I have spares from Sionics. I hope you guys have better luck.
There has been only a couple hundred on my AIM but a few thousand on the BCM and it's perfect. Granted I don't clean it much either though. I think I've only cleaned it twice since owning it.

Maybe there is something under the grime but I don't think so.

I'll be sure to beat on the Parallax in the future.

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[Naytwan]

I have a couple thousand rounds on a nickel boron parallax BCG. It's no longer shiny but has no issues at all.

[UWone77]

704

[Naytwan]

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I should probably clean it. [emoji6]

[UWone77]

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I should probably clean it. [emoji6]

Nah, I'd just wipe it down and run it!

[Naytwan]

Nah, I'd just wipe it down and run it!

Normally I just throw a little lube on it and go. I wanted to see at what point it would stop. 2200 rounds later and its still going. Cleaned her once so far.

[Pyzik]

Normally I just throw a little lube on it and go. I wanted to see at what point it would stop. 2200 rounds later and its still going. Cleaned her once so far.
That's typically what I do.

Nah, I'd just wipe it down and run it!


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[Thompson]

704
Is that top one polished?

[Pyzik]

Is that top one polished?
Da

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[UWone77]

Is that top one polished?

Yes, I believe they were Gen I's that were polished? I can't recall.

[Thompson]

Yes, I believe they were Gen I's that were polished? I can't recall.
Did Joe ever sell polished versions? I don't remember - but it seems vaguely familiar.

[UWone77]

Did Joe ever sell polished versions? I don't remember - but it seems vaguely familiar.

He did, because all my TiN carriers are from Parallax.

[mustangfreek]

704

they look good

[Thompson]

He did, because all my TiN carriers are from Parallax.
Ahhh. Okay - no wonder why it rang a bell.

He just doesn't sell polished versions anymore?

[EO3]

I almost kind of like the polished ones more now. I wish they were still for sale.

[Pyzik]

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[Thompson]

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Hawt.

[besthaticouldo]

I wish these weren't out of stock...