Transfer Times

[Ride4frnt]

Perfect! Thanks for the info. I'll send him an email. I probably won't hear anything back until next week since it's past COB today, but I'll feel better about my request going to a specific person as opposed to some random bulk mailbox.

As for my calls to them today, I called multiple times and tried various options from the automated menu, but got "Mary" the Gate Keeper every time. She was nice enough, just not as helpful as I'd have liked. I'm sure with all the phone calls from people freaking out because their form wasn't approved instantly and calling for daily status updates on their forms, some filtering is necessary. But it would've been nice to get the email address of my examiner, voicemail, something other than the generic "ask the expert".

Thanks again for the info! I'll be sure and update when this snafu gets resolved.

Don't be surprised. My stamp was approved at like 10pm on a Sunday by Ted.

[Deadwing]

Don't be surprised. My stamp was approved at like 10pm on a Sunday by Ted.

Wow! Those guys have got to be raking in some serious OT!

[Ride4frnt]

Super bowl Sunday to be exact. It was during the last quarter of the game. I remember because I was pissed off at the Seahawks for not dominating that game.

[fairlanericky]

Super bowl Sunday to be exact. It was during the last quarter of the game. I remember because I was pissed off at the Seahawks for not dominating that game.


You and every other Seahawk fan.[bash]



Ric

[Deadwing]

Super bowl Sunday to be exact. It was during the last quarter of the game. I remember because I was pissed off at the Seahawks for not dominating that game.

I'm not much of a football fan (baseball is more my game), but i was surprised the Hawks didn't kick ass and take names. They sure picked one helluva day to play like crap.

[gatordev]

That's pretty mixed as far as results. I get a 50/50 results using it. Half of the time within a day or two and the other time no response at all.

I know everything is anecdotal, but I'm curious if, when you used it, it was for general questions or for the actual "Draft" or generally screwed up stamp? I've been lucky and never had any issues with eForms so far, but I've only done a couple.

As Ride said though, emailing Mr. Clutter seems to be the 100% solution from everything I've read.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I know everything is anecdotal, but I'm curious if, when you used it, it was for general questions or for the actual "Draft" or generally screwed up stamp? I've been lucky and never had any issues with eForms so far, but I've only done a couple.

As Ride said though, emailing Mr. Clutter seems to be the 100% solution from everything I've read.

I've used it on every form I've done for one reason or another. From basic questions to problems, sometimes I got a response, sometimes I didn't.

[gatordev]

I've used it on every form I've done for one reason or another. From basic questions to problems, sometimes I got a response, sometimes I didn't.

Definitely no beueno. Thanks for the info.

[Deadwing]

Well, Ride4frnt was spot on. Mr. Clutter is apparently the man who can get things done. I decided to log in to my eForms account to see if anything had changed, and my form was fixed, with a new approval date of 03-21-15, and was signed by Ted Clutter. Thanks again for the info, Ride!

[mustangfreek]

i havent even been thru the process yet but have read alot and mr Clutters name comes up alot for helping square stuff away..

[Deadwing]

i havent even been thru the process yet but have read alot and mr Clutters name comes up alot for helping square stuff away..

I'd write his email address down in case you ever need it. He's the first person i'll contact should i ever have an issue again.

[Sak007]

Filed my first Form 1 for an SBR on 1/28 and it came back approved today 3/24 . And I just went to pick up my new CMT UPH15A lower to match my left hand upper and got delayed by the state aaaaagain .I jotted down the serial # so I can file another form 1 today for this lower . Now if Wa would just allow SBS I could form 1 my Saiga 12 ...........oh first world problems [BD].

[schambers]

Form 4 submitted for 7.62 Saker in mid-December 2014.
Approved 03 April 2015

Picking up on Wednesday!

[Deadwing]

Form 4 submitted for 7.62 Saker in mid-December 2014.
Approved 03 April 2015

Picking up on Wednesday!

Sweet! Congrats! I think the Saker 762 will be my next can.

[UWone77]

E-File Form 1

Item: Mega Arms SBR
Form Type: Form 1 Trust
Sent: 04-02-15
Check Cashed: Electronic Transfer
Submitted/In Process:
Approved:
Examiner:

[tact]

2 Form 1s - 2 SBRs

Trust e-file

2-19. And still waiting for some reason......I think I'll get my Saker before this thing finally gets approved.

[skijunkie55]

2 Form 1s - 2 SBRs

Trust e-file

2-19. And still waiting for some reason......I think I'll get my Saker before this thing finally gets approved.

Looks like they're on 2/14 right now... Should have it in another week!
I'm guessing my form 1 from 2/24 and form 4 from 2/10 will both be approved around the same time.

[SINNER]

I have 3 SBR's pending that were entered on 02/24/15. Hoping it's any day now.

[tact]

Looks like they're on 2/14 right now... Should have it in another week!
I'm guessing my form 1 from 2/24 and form 4 from 2/10 will both be approved around the same time.

Thanks for the info. I did a form 4 on 1/26 as well.

[tact]

Form 4. Approved today

Sent in / cashed 1/26

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Form 4. Approved today

Sent in / cashed 1/26

Nice! So I'm about a month away from getting mine.

[SINNER]

Logged in today just out of curiosity and all 3 form 1's approved within 2 days of each other. No email or any other notification. Starting on April 24th.

[toolboxluis00200]

Congratulated

[SINNER]

Thanks. Feeling better?

[tact]

Thanks for the heads up Sinner. I logged in this morning and they were both approved yesterday. 2 SBRs.

2/19 EFile
5/3. Approved

[crenate]

Ok, this wait is killing me. Filed form 1 March 26th...still waiting.

Couple form 4s filed 4/4/15. I'm sure those will be a while.

[voodoo_man]

1/21 filed
5/2 approved
received it last week and no one called.

G5T on a 7.75" MK107

Ohhh yeaahhhh

[SwissyJim]

nice Voodoo!
I'm still waiting for a SBR filed on 3/18...

[voodoo_man]

nice Voodoo!
I'm still waiting for a SBR filed on 3/18...

sbr? EFile right? Times are right around 40-60 days now....I got one back in 44.

[SwissyJim]

sbr? EFile right? Times are right around 40-60 days now....I got one back in 44.

Yeah, eFile with a Trust. First one came back in 31 days, last year... this one is at about 68 days. s'ok tho.. haven't figured out the stock I want to use. Thinking MFT Minimalist, but might not be the right one whenI pop the .458Socom upper on!

[voodoo_man]

Yeah, eFile with a Trust. First one came back in 31 days, last year... this one is at about 68 days. s'ok tho.. haven't figured out the stock I want to use. Thinking MFT Minimalist, but might not be the right one whenI pop the .458Socom upper on!

Don't complain when it breaks ;)

I got an Aero lower coming that'll get the SBR treatment...I'm gana go with a battlearms sabertube.

[UWone77]

Don't complain when it breaks ;)

I got an Aero lower coming that'll get the SBR treatment...I'm gana go with a battlearms sabertube.

Is that the lower I'm thinking of?

[voodoo_man]

Is that the lower I'm thinking of?

Why not?

[UWone77]

Why not?

I actually thought the same thing... Great idea! Now I can get a lifetime-long test out of it from you. [:D]

[GOST]

Probably the coolest thing done to a T&E item.

[voodoo_man]

I actually thought the same thing... Great idea! Now I can get a lifetime-long test out of it from you. [:D]

Exactly. If it breaks....

I don't even know what to do if an SBR lower breaks....

[SwissyJim]

Exactly. If it breaks....

I don't even know what to do if an SBR lower breaks....

cry

[toolboxluis00200]

cry

+1

[voodoo_man]

Seriously though...what do you do...I gata look into it.

[BoilerUp]

Seriously though...what do you do...I gata look into it.

Buy an 80% lower, finish it, and duplicate engravings. :)

[UWone77]

Seriously though...what do you do...I gata look into it.

I suspect you'd have to remove it from the registry, and then submit another $200 and stamp for a new lower.

[voodoo_man]

I suspect you'd have to remove it from the registry, and then submit another $200 and stamp for a new lower.

...mehhhh

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Live in Washington and they'll remove it for you.. Free of charge... [BASH]

[alamo5000]

I don't know the exact dates of submission but I made my purchase from Silencer Shop on May 21. Form 4 has officially been submitted as of 5/29.

Awaiting future updates for check cashing.

[alamo5000]

Check for my suppressor cashed 6/1/2015.

That's less than a week from the date of submitting the paperwork. Is that normal? ;) LOL

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Check for my suppressor cashed 6/1/2015.

That's less than a week from the date of submitting the paperwork. Is that normal? ;) LOL

Yea normally a week or less and check is checked. They're gonna get their money.

[Uffdaphil]

My E-file $200 charge via trust showed up the next day so a week for a check sounds right.

[toolboxluis00200]

Check for my suppressor cashed 6/1/2015.

That's less than a week from the date of submitting the paperwork. Is that normal? ;) LOL

obama needs another vacation so yeah they snatch that up fast
http://www.gameondaily.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/GIF-obama.gif

[xAZxE30x]

I am at 75 days on my F4. Seeing people get their stamps at 75 has made me so impatient!! I tried to forget but this round has been rough :/

[baboon]

I am at 75 days on my F4. Seeing people get their stamps at 75 has made me so impatient!! I tried to forget but this round has been rough :/
I'll be 90 days in on 6/18. Sad thing is I know it's going to bounce, because the dealer left another name on the transfer from a previous deal.

[Uffdaphil]

The long waits are somewhat understandable, but it's just outrageous that they don't email error or omission info and let you correct mid-process. Servants of the people, uh huh.

[xAZxE30x]

The long waits are somewhat understandable, but it's just outrageous that they don't email error or omission info and let you correct mid-process. Servants of the people, uh huh.

Reminds me of my loan underwriters at work! They will take an entire week to send their decision, only to ask for something easy and then make me resubmit and wait some more. When they easily could have held the file an extra day while I got what was needed.

I have a feeling I am going to see mine out 2nd week of June. I still need mounts and to finish my 300blk build. So have some time I guess

[Deadwing]

I finally got around to spending my income tax refund (which was being saved for vacation) and pulled the trigger on a couple of cans today: a Saker762 and a Saker 556. Let the waiting begin...

- Type: Trust
- Paper Form 4s submitted: 06/09/15
- Checks cashed: 06/19/2015
- Approved!:
- Stamps at dealer:


ETA: Date checks were cashed.

[xAZxE30x]

I finally got around to spending my income tax refund (which was being saved for vacation) and pulled the trigger on a couple of cans today: a Saker762 and a Saker 556. Let the waiting begin...

- Type: Trust
- Paper Form 4s submitted: 06/09/15
- Checks cashed:
- Approved!:
- Stamps at dealer:

Woot!! Nice, you'll enjoy both of those!

[Deadwing]

Woot!! Nice, you'll enjoy both of those!

Thanks! I'm really looking forward to bringing these home!

[SwissyJim]

Well, ptarmigan and duck season will never be the same! Good thing I got a great deal (below Silencer Shop price)
- Suppressor: Salvo12
- Type: Trust
- Paper Form 4 submitted: 06/11/15


[:D] [crazy] [BD]

[SwissyJim]

still waiting on my trust eform1 SBR.... submitted March 18

EDIT: approved this morning. YAY!

[cjd3]

Still waiting on my form 3. 5 weeks now

[gatordev]

I just had a F3 from Silencer Shop get done in 3 weeks. Unfortunately, it's been sitting at the range for the last week and a half waiting on me to get the F4 started. Hopefully today.

[Uffdaphil]

My first can F3'd to LGS in 3 weeks too. Got to fondle it yesterday. The Griffin Recce 7 shipped with a new mini-muzzle brake taper mount not listed when I ordered - single chamber weights only 1.8 ounces! Definitely going to need the blast shield for supers.

[titanse05]

So I'm jumping into the NFA game and have a Trust created. I want to SBR an existing lower so can I still file a Form 1 electronically or do I need to submit via paper (thought I read that you can't sumbit anything electronically since the site is down)?

[SwissyJim]

Form1 SBR's are doable via eForms. Just sign up, and fill everything out. There are even a few guides out there to help with the questions. As long as the eform site is up and running, you should be good to go.

[Deadwing]

Well, i just couldn't help myself. I bought another can. A pistol can this time. Osprey 45 to be exact. In theory, it's a birthday present to myself. With wait times starting to get longer again, it'll more than likely be a Christmas present to myself. [BD]

- Item: Suppressor (Osprey 45)
- Type: Trust
- Paper Form 4 submitted: 07/02/15
- Check cashed:
- Approved!:
- Stamp at dealer:

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Well, i just couldn't help myself. I bought another can. A pistol can this time. Osprey 45 to be exact. In theory, it's a birthday present to myself. With wait times starting to get longer again, it'll more than likely be a Christmas present to myself. [BD]

- Item: Suppressor (Osprey 45)
- Type: Trust
- Paper Form 4 submitted: 07/02/15
- Check cashed:
- Approved!:
- Stamp at dealer:

I should be getting my osprey45 any day now. To say I'm looking forward to is an understatement. Congrats man!

[Deadwing]

I should be getting my osprey45 any day now. To say I'm looking forward to is an understatement. Congrats man!

Thanks! I'm pretty stoked. Waiting for NFA goodies makes me feel like a little kid at Christmas time. :P Congrats to you as well! I look forward to seeing some photos and hearing your thoughts on it when you get it.

[SwissyJim]

you'll LOVE the Osprey45! Mine, when attached to my Glock34 and shooting 147g handloaded subs, is INSANELY quiet.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I should also mention I'm getting the spec program osprey45. According to my dealer it's got the flag lasered onto it. So I'm excited to see that as well

[toolboxluis00200]

Very cool hope u like it

[Deadwing]

you'll LOVE the Osprey45! Mine, when attached to my Glock34 and shooting 147g handloaded subs, is INSANELY quiet.

That's awesome! I was debating getting a dedicated 9mm can, but the Osprey 45 (and Ti-Rant 45 for that matter) perform so well with sub calibers, i didn't see the point.


I should also mention I'm getting the spec program osprey45. According to my dealer it's got the flag lasered onto it. So I'm excited to see that as well

Nice! Deffo looking forward to seeing photos!

[crenate]

Ok, this wait is killing me. Filed form 1 March 26th...still waiting.

Couple form 4s filed 4/4/15. I'm sure those will be a while.

Form 1 approved 07/02/15!!

[GOST]

Looks like the efile form 1's are taking about 3 months now.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Spec Program Osprey45.

Sent: 2/27

Checked Cashed/Pending: 3/6

Approved: ?

Stamp Received: 7/6

Picking this sucker up Wednesday. Dealer keeps trying to talk me into shipping it. Naw I'll take the 2.5hr drive each way and get sooner. Plus I don't have to worry about the Sheriff being all up in my bidness! [BD]

[alamo5000]

Spec Program Osprey45.

Sent: 2/27

Checked Cashed/Pending: 3/6

Approved: ?

Stamp Received: 7/6

Picking this sucker up Wednesday. Dealer keeps trying to talk me into shipping it. Naw I'll take the 2.5hr drive each way and get sooner. Plus I don't have to worry about the Sheriff being all up in my bidness! 😁

Congrats!!!

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Congrats!!!

Thanks man! Looking forward to this one!

[UWone77]

With all this talk of stamps... I think I need to get myself a new Silencerco Omega.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

With all this talk of stamps... I think I need to get myself a new Silencerco Omega.

You mean you don't have one waiting already. That's my next one, unless my dealer had another deal on a 556. I may get one to dedicate

[SwissyJim]

Nice Medic! You're gonna love it! Just did up 500 rnds of my subs for using with mine, which may last me a few weeks. Maybe.

I was gonna get an Omega, but I think I'm going with a 458Socom can first [BD]

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Nice Medic! You're gonna love it! Just did up 500 rnds of my subs for using with mine, which may last me a few weeks. Maybe.

I was gonna get an Omega, but I think I'm going with a 458Socom can first [BD]

Thanks man! This is probably more looked forward too than my first... Have about 500 ready to go. I think they'll do well

[SwissyJim]

it won't be up for another 40 minutes, but check this out when it is online. Just a quick video of my setup. What you cannot hear in the video, but you COULD in person, was the bullet 'whizzing' thru the air. The damn thing is so quiet you could hear the bullet traveling between point A and B! Not to mention the brass hitting the deck of my boat was louder than the gun.


http://player.vimeo.com/video/132790261

[Deadwing]

Spec Program Osprey45.

Sent: 2/27

Checked Cashed/Pending: 3/6

Approved: ?

Stamp Received: 7/6

Picking this sucker up Wednesday. Dealer keeps trying to talk me into shipping it. Naw I'll take the 2.5hr drive each way and get sooner. Plus I don't have to worry about the Sheriff being all up in my bidness! [BD]

NICE! Congrats, man!

[Deadwing]

it won't be up for another 40 minutes, but check this out when it is online. Just a quick video of my setup. What you cannot hear in the video, but you COULD in person, was the bullet 'whizzing' thru the air. The damn thing is so quiet you could hear the bullet traveling between point A and B! Not to mention the brass hitting the deck of my boat was louder than the gun.


http://player.vimeo.com/video/132790261

That is awesome!!!

[Dstrbdmedic167]

A little teaser until I can get home ...

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/08/778d9e88d8dfbfbaaa05b2cb5dd764f2.jpg

[SwissyJim]

I was going to get the Salvo12 from the local SPEC dealer, but he sold me a 'normal' Salvo that he had gotten a group deal on, and the price was even lower than SPEC pricing! Be cool to have the engraving... but $$$ is $$$! Can't wait to see more of yours...

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I was going to get the Salvo12 from the local SPEC dealer, but he sold me a 'normal' Salvo that he had gotten a group deal on, and the price was even lower than SPEC pricing! Be cool to have the engraving... but $$$ is $$$! Can't wait to see more of yours...

The engraving didn't happen unfortunately as originally mentioned, nor did the special box it was supposed to come in. Box doesn't bother me but I was a little bummed that there was no engraving.. Hoever my dealer looked out for me so check back tomorrow once I can Edit the pics.. Ohh and the 147gr rounds though it are awesome!

[GOST]

I've seen a preview of what James got and it is awesome.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I've seen a preview of what James got and it is awesome.

Hehe...

[Deadwing]

A little teaser until I can get home ...

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/08/778d9e88d8dfbfbaaa05b2cb5dd764f2.jpg

You lucky dog!

[titanse05]

A quick question for the experts. I have my Trust created and an Omega on its way to my dealer now. I want to start the process of filing a Form 1 for creation of an SBR. With my first submission to the ATF is it acceptable to show the lower that I intend on SBR'ing on the Assignment List of my Trust?

[Dstrbdmedic167]

A quick question for the experts. I have my Trust created and an Omega on its way to my dealer now. I want to start the process of filing a Form 1 for creation of an SBR. With my first submission to the ATF is it acceptable to show the lower that I intend on SBR'ing on the Assignment List of my Trust?

This is usually a ford and Chevy debate but IMO wait until it's approved before you add it to the list. The list is for items that are in the trust and yes it will be but like mine I only have NFA items on it once they are approved.

[SINNER]

I do not add it to the list until it's approved and all engraving is complete. Just makes sense to not add it until it is 100% legal.

[GOST]

A quick question for the experts. I have my Trust created and an Omega on its way to my dealer now. I want to start the process of filing a Form 1 for creation of an SBR. With my first submission to the ATF is it acceptable to show the lower that I intend on SBR'ing on the Assignment List of my Trust?

I didn't put mine on the list.

[Ride4frnt]

I didn't put mine on the list.

I've heard to keep a list for personal use but send the ATF a blank one each time. Alas, I only have one NFA item so far so it doesn't apply to me, yet.

[GOST]

You have to an item on the list for the Trust to be activated, it doesn't have to your firearm though. I've heard of some putting a dollar bill on the list they submit.

[SINNER]

I had a online trust reviewed by my lawyer and he had me put a $20 on the trust before I filed my first form 1. Another trust I have was done directly by a different lawyer, he made no such requests and a suppressor was the first item on that one. Both were adamant about as soon as an item is approved and engraved it needed to be added onto the master list. One actually claimed that having items registered to a specific trust and not listed could cause the trust to be revoked in a court of law. He said 99% of the trust issues he sees are due to poor book keeping.

[titanse05]

Yeah I've heard of the $1 thing. That is what I'll do. Don't want to give them any reasons to reject.....hence why I asked question first. Thanks guys.

[gatordev]

It really depends on your state and how your trust is written. Nothing in my trust references an assignment sheet, so I haven't sent one in for the last 3 stamps. No issues. But if your trust references one, then it may be required.

[Ride4frnt]

I'll have to look at my trust (coyote) but I can tell you with certainty that I did NOT add anything to my list before submitting the form and it was approved no problem.

[GOST]

The preparer of my trust is the one that told me that I had to have something on my list to activate my trust before submitting.

[alamo5000]

The preparer of my trust is the one that told me that I had to have something on my list to activate my trust before submitting.


That's what they had me do too.

I don't know if its for real or not, but they said do it so I did it. It didn't hurt anything and I didn't know any better.

[gatordev]

The preparer of my trust is the one that told me that I had to have something on my list to activate my trust before submitting.

The (well-respected) preparer of mine did the same. But as it turns out, they/he was wrong. Honestly, I think part of the problem is that over the years, there's been different standards applied by the various examiners that even very credible lawyers are giving advice that may have been relevant in the past but may not be true now.

For me, the most simple way to check was to search for the word "assignment" (or "schedule," for those that have that) in my trust. If nothing comes up, you're probably good. But again, I think it depends on your state and how the trust is written.

[SINNER]

States have no bearing or control of trusts. They are Federal. And you are confused as Assignment A forms and schedules are two very different things. Assignment A forms are an official part of a trust if it is structured that way and must be kept up to date and submitted in it's most current form every time you submit for a tax stamp. Per the Fed wording that the trust must be submitted complete each time. Without it the trust is incomplete and not valid. Schedules are for private bookkeeping and are not an official part of the trust. They are not required to be submitted and therefore you have the ability to keep non NFA items in the trust private.

And as far as attaching something of value with a serial number to a trust to be valid my lawyer summed it up perfectly. "Do you want your children's lawyer debating in court the necessity of attaching a few bucks to retain possession of a priceless collection?"

[gatordev]

States have no bearing or control of trusts. They are Federal.

States do have bearing because what a trust can do according to one state may differ than in another state. A trust isn't drafted by a federal lawyer.


And you are confused as Assignment A forms and schedules are two very different things. Assignment A forms are an official part of a trust if it is structured that way and must be kept up to date and submitted in it's most current form every time you submit for a tax stamp. Per the Fed wording that the trust must be submitted complete each time.

I'm not really confusing them because, as you say, it's IF it's set up that way. Mine has zero mention or reference to either. Some folks only have Schedules, some only Assignments. As an aside, and this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like everyone I've read who posts from TX has a Schedule A.

[Cotton68spc]

Form1 eFile 4/13/15
Stamp received 7/25/15

Agent Jason Bowers


Check me out on YouTube and Facebook

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Form1 eFile 4/13/15
Stamp received 7/25/15

Agent Jason Bowers


Check me out on YouTube and Facebook

Congrats cotton! Nothing like your first SBR!

[Former11B]

Griffin Armament Recce 5 Mod 3
Form 3 submitted 6/23
Approved 7/29

Form 4 will be mailed out at soon as I get my CLEO signature. My dealer said he's gotten quite a few 2-3 month paper individual Form 4s approved lately.

[UWone77]

Griffin Armament Recce 5 Mod 3
Form 3 submitted 6/23
Approved 7/29

Form 4 will be mailed out at soon as I get my CLEO signature. My dealer said he's gotten quite a few 2-3 month paper individual Form 4s approved lately.

Now that Griffin is here, I'm really looking forward to seeing your impressions of the RECCE 5, look at a 7 right now for an end of the year purchase.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I'm really curious to hear how the 5 does. I've been thinking about a dedicated 556 can. Then again for only a few bucks more I can get a 7 and use it on all my rifles.

[alamo5000]

I'm really curious to hear how the 5 does. I've been thinking about a dedicated 556 can. Then again for only a few bucks more I can get a 7 and use it on all my rifles.

You can't go wrong either way.

I have a long short list right now but the 7 is on it [BD]

I just have to prioritize. Maybe an SBR or two then a 7? That's only what? $6000 bucks for everything not including ammo... doable...but I don't want to be in the poor house.

[Former11B]

Now that Griffin is here, I'm really looking forward to seeing your impressions of the RECCE 5, look at a 7 right now for an end of the year purchase.

I'm glad you think enough of my opinion to weight your own purchase decision on it (if even partially).

I still need to do my WAR review but my range time has been limited lately and bogged down fine tuning some handloads to a new rifle and an old one I changed the barrel on trying to get things juuuuuust right

I mailed my Form 4 documents out to the ATF of Friday August 7th. They CASHED THE CHECK Wednesday the 12th. I have never seen them move that fast. My dealer said he's been getting 2-3 month paper Form 4 turnarounds so that would be awesome.

[alamo5000]

I'm glad you think enough of my opinion to weight your own purchase decision on it (if even partially).

Shoots man, you know your stuff. You've helped me make a number of good choices. [:D]



I mailed my Form 4 documents out to the ATF of Friday August 7th. They CASHED THE CHECK Wednesday the 12th. I have never seen them move that fast. My dealer said he's been getting 2-3 month paper Form 4 turnarounds so that would be awesome.

They cashed my check in just days...From when I paid for my silencer at silencer shop until when they cashed my check was like 5 or maybe 6 working days and that includes the time they took to do my forms. I have been looking at Silencer Shop's wait times and right now they had paper form 4's for a trust getting approved in 3 months. It appears according to them that the wait is ranging between 3 to 5 months.

From the cashing date I am 2 1/2 months in...

[fairlanericky]

Griffin Armament Spartan 3

Ordered from Silencershop via West Coast Armory, tonight.

Let the wait begin!



Ric

[Jerry R]

Now that Griffin is here, I'm really looking forward to seeing your impressions of the RECCE 5, look at a 7 right now for an end of the year purchase.

I have a good friend in TN that has a RECCE 7 in jail right now. I hope it gets stamped before the fall shoot. Would really like to see it/shoot it.

[Vel]

They cashed my check in just days...From when I paid for my silencer at silencer shop until when they cashed my check was like 5 or maybe 6 working days and that includes the time they took to do my forms. I have been looking at Silencer Shop's wait times and right now they had paper form 4's for a trust getting approved in 3 months. It appears according to them that the wait is ranging between 3 to 5 months.

From the cashing date I am 2 1/2 months in...

I'll be at 4 months on Thursday through Silencer Shop. Hoping it's any day now.

[Jerry R]

I'll be at 4 months on Thursday through Silencer Shop. Hoping it's any day now.

I'm still waiting on Silencer Shop's Form-3 to my local SOT. Not Silencer Shop's fault, just waiting ...

[Aberration79]

Personally when I set mine up I anticipated OR doing what WA did, and while maybe not so I figure I might have less issues with the firearms in a trust and the family being in possession of one of the family guns. I think they said something about exemptions for family loaning and borrowing or whatever, but the ATF can't even figure out decades old law so I don't expect OR to figure out ours any time soon.

[Uffdaphil]

My first SBR. Submitted 5/26, approved 9/18. Unfortunately, by the time my cans are paroled the temp may be sub-zero.

[gatordev]

My first SBR. Submitted 5/26, approved 9/18. Unfortunately, by the time my cans are paroled the temp may be sub-zero.

Just shoot more, it will melt the snow with no problems.

[Deadwing]

My first SBR. Submitted 5/26, approved 9/18. Unfortunately, by the time my cans are paroled the temp may be sub-zero.

Awesome! Congrats! Approval times seem to be all over. I read in a thread on a different site that a Form 4 came back approved in a month. Whether the individual who posted that is full of it or not, who knows. I'm just past the 3 month mark on a few suppressors. Hopefully you'll get yours before the winter sets in.

[codename]

Awesome! Congrats! Approval times seem to be all over. I read in a thread on a different site that a Form 4 came back approved in a month. Whether the individual who posted that is full of it or not, who knows. I'm just past the 3 month mark on a few suppressors. Hopefully you'll get yours before the winter sets in.

Individual Form 4s seem to be coming back in about 4 weeks, so that may be accurate if he filed as an individual and not with s trust or some other entity.

It seems this may be a way that the ATF is trying to push more people towards filing individually.

[GOST]

Individual Form 4s seem to be coming back in about 4 weeks, so that may be accurate if he filed as an individual and not with s trust or some other entity.

It seems this may be a way that the ATF is trying to push more people towards filing individually.

My recent form 1 was e-filed and took about 4 months. My local guy for cans told me to expect about 5 months on my form 4.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

My recent form 1 was e-filed and took about 4 months.

You filed individial or trust?

My dealer just reported the same yesterday. He has been having ind. forms coming back in as little as 4 weeks vs 4 months for trust...

[SwissyJim]

I'm at 3.5 months on paper filed Form4 trust. Getting ready to send in another on Monday as well. 4 months is too damn long to wait!!! My first Form1, efiled trust, took 35 days. A year later my 2nd took 90 days.

[UWone77]

After waiting almost a year to over a year on 4 Form 4's, a 4-6 month wait seems tame.

I'm submitting 3 Form 4's next month.

[SwissyJim]

Personally, they should be 'cash and carry' items, but meh... oh well.

4 more, huh? I wish...

[UWone77]

Personally, they should be 'cash and carry' items, but meh... oh well.

4 more, huh? I wish...

Completely agree. Over the counter transactions... probably a pipe dream.

3 more... a TiRant 9S, Omega, and a Factory DD MK18, because Form 1 SBR's here look like it's gonna be awhile...

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Damn MK18! You win... I fold...

[UWone77]

Damn MK18! You win... I fold...

I actually wanted a Colt 6933, but couldn't find one in stock.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I actually wanted a Colt 6933, but couldn't find one in stock.

Ahh.. That's still a sweet rifle!

[Slippers]

UW, are you going to swap out the gas block on the MK18?

[gatordev]

I actually wanted a Colt 6933, but couldn't find one in stock.

Why all the pussy-footing around? Colt 6933? Neat, but just go all in and get a Commando! What's $40K when you're trying to get something sexy?

[Deadwing]

Why all the pussy-footing around? Colt 6933? Neat, but just go all in and get a Commando! What's $40K when you're trying to get something sexy?

Now you're cookin' with grease!

[gatordev]

Now you're cookin' with grease!

Now, now, let's not start another bunch of drama. It's a "substance that shares similar properties to grease."

[Deadwing]

Now, now, let's not start another bunch of drama. It's a "substance that shares similar properties to grease."

But... But... There's extra smoke!!!

[mustangfreek]

My first SBR. Submitted 5/26, approved 9/18. Unfortunately, by the time my cans are paroled the temp may be sub-zero.

Congrats!!


because Form 1 SBR's here look like it's gonna be awhile...


I sure wish WA state would figure this crap out..I need atleast one SBR damnit..which would help motivate for a can..I stil lthink we can file a form 4 for a complete sbr, but no funds for a complete rifle..

[Joelski]

I can't believe WA is so un-free. Can't you guys secede from Seattle and all the libs up there?

[fairlanericky]

I can't believe WA is so un-free. Can't you guys secede from Seattle and all the libs up there?

Sometimes wish we could.



Ric

[Deadwing]

I can't believe WA is so un-free. Can't you guys secede from Seattle and all the libs up there?

Most of King County should be it's own little state. But then,why the hell should we give it to them? Places already exist where all their wildest gun-free dreams have already come true. Places like Kalifornia,or better yet, The UK or Australia. Buy them all one way tickets and send them to their utopia.

But in the mean time, WA needs to get it's laws fixed. It's completely asinine that you can own and use an SBR that someone else made, but can't make it yourself after jumping through the same hoops as you'd have to jump through to get the one that already made. I hope it gets cleared up sooner than later. Whenever i write letters to elected officials in regards to gun rights, or Second Amendment issues, i always get some canned response about how they respect my Second Amendment rights and are working hard to protect them, blah blah blah, while at the same time calling for more "common sense" gun control laws. How about this for a little common sense: repeal the NFA of 1934 and GCA of 1968, and eliminate the ATF. That's common sense. Not bullshit like universal background checks (because no criminal has EVER bought a firearm illegally) and paying a tax to own something that's guaranteed to you in the Constitution.

Anyway, i'm coming up on 16 weeks since i sent off form 4s for a couple rifle cans, and about 14 weeks on a pistol can. I'd like to think i'm getting close, but it would seem the #@&%ing ATF is dragging ass on processing forms submitted using a trust. @$$holes.

[Joelski]

Can you at least detail strip your form 4 SBR so you can experience the thrill of assembling it yourself?

That is both funny and sad, but mostly sad.

[Deadwing]

Can you at least detail strip your form 4 SBR so you can experience the thrill of assembling it yourself?

That is both funny and sad, but mostly sad.

It's absurd.

RCW 9.41.190
Unlawful firearms—Exceptions.

(1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or to assemble or repair any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle.
(2) It is not unlawful for a person to possess, transport, acquire, or transfer a short-barreled rifle that is legally registered and possessed, transported, acquired, or transferred in accordance with federal law.

Looks like by the letter of the law, if you make any repairs to an SBR acquired via Form 4, you're now a felon. It's ridiculous. The wording of the law is contradictory in nature. Section 2 says i can acquire and SBR in accordance with federal law, and filing a Form 1 and making and SBR is definitely in accordance with federal law. But, make and manufacture are the same in the eyes of WA, despite the feds seeing making as one thing and manufacturing as another. But since some uppity clerk at DOL took it upon themselves to call BATFE and tell them the make and manufacture are the same thing in WA, Form 1 is not an option for us right now. Even if Form 1 was allowed, the wording of the law would still make a felon out of anyone who fixed their broken rifle.

The clear intention, and spirit in which the law was passed, was to bring WA state law in to alignment with federal law in regards to SBRs. I believe that's why so many Form 1s were approved for folks in WA prior to the call being made to BATFE. So even though section 2 allows us to have SBRs, it's the language (highlighted in blue) in section 1 that the ATF is using as grounds for denying form 1s. So, the RCW needs to be rewritten, or the AG needs to tell BATFE it's OK for us to make our own SBRs before we will see another SBR form 1 approved.

Complete and total bullshit, yes?

[Joelski]

Is this in the revised, or administrative code code? How is this consistent with the 2nd amendment, when it clearly dictates Washingtonian's level of freedom beyond federal ruling?

[Deadwing]

Is this in the revised, or administrative code code? How is this consistent with the 2nd amendment, when it clearly dictates Washingtonian's level of freedom beyond federal ruling?

Revised Code of Washington. Other sections of RCW 9.41.190 list further exemptions (LE/MIL in performance of duty, etc.), and grandfather in machine guns, SBS, SBR possessed prior to that section of the RCW going into effect (July of 1994 if memory serves). I'm sure they skirt the Second Amendment the same way places like CA, CT, NY, et. al. do it. And Washington used to be such a nice place to live.

[UWone77]

Alright, waiting on a Form 3 transfer now for an Omega, TiRant 9s and the DDMK18

[alamo5000]

Alright, waiting on a Form 3 transfer now for an Omega, TiRant 9s and the DDMK18

Seriously dude? That's awesome. I wonder though just how big your safe is? Or is it like a dedicated room...

[six8]

Purchased my can in March from Silencer Shop. Still waiting.

[GOST]

Alright, waiting on a Form 3 transfer now for an Omega, TiRant 9s and the DDMK18

Recently got my Form 1 approved for my SBR and either gonna Form 4 an Omega or a SDN-6 in the next couple of weeks, probably the Omega.

[six8]

My can has landed!

[GOST]

You filed individial or trust?

My dealer just reported the same yesterday. He has been having ind. forms coming back in as little as 4 weeks vs 4 months for trust...

Trust

[GOST]

My can has landed!

What did you get?

[six8]

What did you get?
Reece 7 from Silencer Shop.

[DutyUse]

Grats 68

[SwissyJim]

dammit... I've been miscounting. It's only been 3.5 months since I submitted for my Salvo! crap, and here I was getting all giddy that I'd be hunting grouse soon with it.
And my paperwork for the 458Socom can got 'misplaced' in the mail so I have to have another set sent. Which means a filing delay... again.

[six8]

Grats 68
Thanks, Sir.

[six8]

dammit... I've been miscounting. It's only been 3.5 months since I submitted for my Salvo! crap, and here I was getting all giddy that I'd be hunting grouse soon with it.
And my paperwork for the 458Socom can got 'misplaced' in the mail so I have to have another set sent. Which means a filing delay... again.
A little over 6 months for my Recce. That was rough! :D

[gatordev]

dammit... I've been miscounting. It's only been 3.5 months since I submitted for my Salvo! crap, and here I was getting all giddy that I'd be hunting grouse soon with it.
And my paperwork for the 458Socom can got 'misplaced' in the mail so I have to have another set sent. Which means a filing delay... again.

If you were notified by the ATF about a misplaced form, you might just be able to work with your examiner and/or Ted Clutter and resolve the issue. At least on the F1 side, once something is actually looked at and a problem is identified, most of the hard work has already been done and it's just an admin matter for the examiner. There's been lots of examples of "misplaced" or "misfiled" paperwork where the applicant emails Mr. Clutter and the problem is solved in a day or two and the form is emailed/mailed.

Hopefully I'm not giving any false hope!

[alamo5000]

Reece 7 from Silencer Shop.

Give us a first impressions and a review once you get it and try it out.

[Joelski]

My can has landed!

Mine touches down every day at around 6:15.

:D

[Joelski]

Give us a first impressions and a review once you get it and try it out.

Indeed! This is the one I got my eye on.

[Joelski]

Coming up on 5 weeks for my Form 1 SBR, E-filed Trust. Should I start holding my breath yet?

[SwissyJim]

If you were notified by the ATF about a misplaced form, you might just be able to work with your examiner and/or Ted Clutter and resolve the issue. At least on the F1 side, once something is actually looked at and a problem is identified, most of the hard work has already been done and it's just an admin matter for the examiner. There's been lots of examples of "misplaced" or "misfiled" paperwork where the applicant emails Mr. Clutter and the problem is solved in a day or two and the form is emailed/mailed.

Hopefully I'm not giving any false hope!
I wish... form was lost between dealer and me prior to submitting

[gatordev]

Bummer.

[GOST]

Coming up on 5 weeks for my Form 1 SBR, E-filed Trust. Should I start holding my breath yet?

The e-file form 1 trust that I just got approved took right at 4 months.

[Joelski]

The e-file form 1 trust that I just got approved took right at 4 months.

<sigh>

Happy new year!

[SwissyJim]

forms in the mail for my Lane 458Scorpion! now the 6 month wait begins... AGAIN. Hoping my Salvo12 comes out of jail soon... almost snowing and the ptarmigan won't wait for me much longer

[cjd3]

Hoping my Salvo12 comes out of jail soon... almost snowing and the ptarmigan won't wait for me much longer

You don't need a shotgun to hunt ptarmigan. You can just walk up to them, shake their hands, then wring their necks.

[SwissyJim]

You don't need a shotgun to hunt ptarmigan. You can just walk up to them, shake their hands, then wring their necks.
Oh I know.. I think I have more kills with the butt of my 10/22 than I have actually shot. But dammit I wanna shoot them with a suppressed 12ga!!!! I even found 980fps ammo today...

[cjd3]

Woo Hoo! My first can ordered 5/16, Form 4 sent 6/22, Approved 9/20.
I hope to have my little Sparrow in hand in a few weeks. Here's hoping my Omega goes a little bit faster. At least it's in pending stage.

[DutyUse]

Woo Hoo! My first can ordered 5/16, Form 4 sent 6/22, Approved 9/20.
I hope to have my little Sparrow in hand in a few weeks. Here's hoping my Omega goes a little bit faster. At least it's in pending stage.

Congrats! And good choice on the omega, it seems a lot of guys are picking these up. After a lot of time reading it seems I might jump on the bandwagon

[alamo5000]

It's been 4 months since I ordered my can and still no word. I got nothing. Zip. Zippo. Nada. LOL

I have been checking on the times so hopefully mine will come through soon.

[SwissyJim]

Woo Hoo! My first can ordered 5/16, Form 4 sent 6/22, Approved 9/20.
I hope to have my little Sparrow in hand in a few weeks. Here's hoping my Omega goes a little bit faster. At least it's in pending stage.
Nice! We need to do a shoot, and compare my SpectreII and Element2 to the Sparrow. And your Omega (when avail) to my Specwar.

If nothing else... gives us a reason to shoot! LOL

[steveptr]

Woo Hoo! My first can ordered 5/16, Form 4 sent 6/22, Approved 9/20.
I hope to have my little Sparrow in hand in a few weeks. Here's hoping my Omega goes a little bit faster. At least it's in pending stage.
Well then I'm waiting hopefully any day I'll get the call for 2 of my cans. Checks cashed the 30th of june.

[SwissyJim]

Woo Hoo! My first can ordered 5/16, Form 4 sent 6/22, Approved 9/20.
I hope to have my little Sparrow in hand in a few weeks. Here's hoping my Omega goes a little bit faster. At least it's in pending stage.


Well then I'm waiting hopefully any day I'll get the call for 2 of my cans. Checks cashed the 30th of june.

Individual or Trusts? I'm on a Trust and it seems they are now taking longer than the individual applications

[steveptr]

Trust.

[SwissyJim]

well, I'm hopeful but also realistic. My Salvo12, on a Trust, was submitted 6/11, check cashed 6/18 but I doubt I'll see it for maybe a month? I hope I'm wrong... but this is what NFAtracker is saying,based on the last 6 months info
http://www.nfatracker.com/ChartImg.axd?i=chart_2cc94d46334949e7aef24e1486299 e8a_6.png&g=63658610e3174608994fb19b71233d96

I'd like to be in the 30% or less percentile.

[alamo5000]

Well then I'm waiting hopefully any day I'll get the call for 2 of my cans. Checks cashed the 30th of june.

They cashed mine June 1.

I have that song stuck in my head... "any day now..." [BD]

[Dstrbdmedic167]

They cashed mine June 1.

I have that song stuck in my head... "any day now..." [BD]

Wevo Will breathe a big sigh of thank god when you do get yours lol

[alamo5000]

Wevo Will breathe a big sigh of thank god when you do get yours lol

HAAHAAAA! I will breathe one myself!

I'm breaking my cherry here because of you guys! Give me a break! LOL HAHAA!!

I have been making a solid effort to not bitch about the waiting! LOL!!!!!!

[cjd3]

Individual or Trusts? I'm on a Trust and it seems they are now taking longer than the individual applications

I went the trust route. It originally was going to be faster, until everyone and their grandma got trusts (who by the way are probably already deaf and don't need one). It's a better option IMHO.

[Former11B]

ATF kicked back my Form 4; turns out my Sheriff signed his name and put his agency name (XXXXXX Sheriff's Department) and corresponding address in the CLEO block, but didn't put "Sheriff" as his title and the ATF didn't approve. Here's to a 30 day delay....jerks. New sheriff in office...he didn't know

[SwissyJim]

Whoop whoop!! Salvo12 stamp came in today!! Gotta wait till Sunday to get it, but will be in hand then.

Submitted 6/11
check cashed 6/18
approved today

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Whoop whoop!! Salvo12 stamp came in today!! Gotta wait till Sunday to get it, but will be in hand then.

Submitted 6/11
check cashed 6/18
approved today

I want some videos ASAP!!!

[Joelski]

I have been making a solid effort to not bitch about the waiting! LOL!!!!!!

Concerted effort here, too. I'm only 5.5 weeks in and the suck is deafening!!! Help! I need coping mechanisms!

[SwissyJim]

I want some videos ASAP!!!

Well, as luck would have it, the range I use is right on the way to the shop... which means it's on the way BACK with the Salvo as well. Guess a shottie is gonna make the ride with me. I even found some subsonic 12ga ammoto test as well, altho if it cycles my Mossie 930JM remains to be seen. I've been getting some 'tweak' parts so hopefully so. But even if not, it'll still be good to see it shoot subs in single shot mode.

You just gotta wait till Sunday!

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Well, as luck would have it, the range I use is right on the way to the shop... which means it's on the way BACK with the Salvo as well. Guess a shottie is gonna make the ride with me. I even found some subsonic 12ga ammoto test as well, altho if it cycles my Mossie 930JM remains to be seen. I've been getting some 'tweak' parts so hopefully so. But even if not, it'll still be good to see it shoot subs in single shot mode.

You just gotta wait till Sunday!

I've waited longer for less lol. Looking forward to it.

[Deadwing]

Whoop whoop!! Salvo12 stamp came in today!! Gotta wait till Sunday to get it, but will be in hand then.

Submitted 6/11
check cashed 6/18
approved today

Sweet! Congrats! I've got a Saker 556 and a Saker 762 that were submitted 6/10 and checks cashed 6/18, and an Osprey 45 about three weeks behind them. Got my fingers crossed!

[Jerry R]

Concerted effort here, too. I'm only 5.5 weeks in and the suck is deafening!!! Help! I need coping mechanisms!

My SOT called ................. "Sorry Jerry, ATF denied the application. I forgot to sign the SOT side. You will need to come back with a new check and another copy of the Trust." So, I just lost 5 weeks of wait time because they forgot to sign the Form-4. [bash]

[Joelski]

Sorry to hear that.

More reason to go trust/efile. My agent contacted me about a mistake I'd made on the form, and was able to correct it, with my stated prrmission prior to entering it into the submission queue. Otherwise, he told me it would have been kicked back, after the time it takes to get to the pending stage, of course. Good guy points for Mr. Schaible!

[Deadwing]

My SOT called ................. "Sorry Jerry, ATF denied the application. I forgot to sign the SOT side. You will need to come back with a new check and another copy of the Trust." So, I just lost 5 weeks of wait time because they forgot to sign the Form-4. [bash]

Now that just sucks! Why the need for a new check and copy of the trust? Is BATFE denying forms instead of simply sending them back for correction these days? I had a form get kicked back for correction because the caliber box was accidentally left blank, and my dealer corrected the form and returned to BATFE and it was approved and i had my stamp in hand about a week later. At any rate, i can't imagine your frustration. I hope things get sorted out soon!

[Jerry R]

Why the need for a new check and copy of the trust?

The Letter that came from BATFE (with the denied Form-4) stated it was rejected - period. It did not have the box checked for "Fix and return" - just denied, and the letter stated the $200 was in their "Refund Process". Luck of the Irish !

[SwissyJim]

ouch

[Aberration79]

I'm sitting at just over 90 days. Trust e-file. A bit irritating, but I will try not to complain.

[Deadwing]

The Letter that came from BATFE (with the denied Form-4) stated it was rejected - period. It did not have the box checked for "Fix and return" - just denied, and the letter stated the $200 was in their "Refund Process". Luck of the Irish !

Farging bastages. I hope that's not their new way of doing business. I just can't wrap my head around that way of thinking when a simple correction would've fixed it. Sorry, Jerry. I guess 5 weeks wasted is better than 5 months.

[gatordev]

I think it really depends on who you get as the examiner. Talking with my local SOT, he's had varying different interactions with various examiners, to include such instances where the person forgot to include the trust and was just asked to email it to the ATF. Another story included sending the approved F4 back and asking the someone to sign it before it was issued (due to a forgotten signature)!

[steveptr]

It also depends on the error that's on the forum 4. I had a similar issue I called to ask about it. They said if it's my fault I can get it fixed and fast tracked if the ffl makes an error it's a full refile.

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[Deadwing]

Sounds to me like there's a lot that's left to the discretion of the examiner. If you get one of the good ones, they an make getting everything in order easy for you (and your FFL/SOT). If the examiner wants to be an asshole, it sounds like they have the latitude to get away with it.

At any rate, I got an email from my dealer telling the stamps for my Saker 556 and Saker 762 are in! Too bad I'm out of town and won't be able to pick them up until Friday.

Type: Form 4/Trust
Items: Silencers
Submitted: 10 JUN 2015
Approved: ?
Stamps at dealer: 06 OCT 2015

One day shy of 17 weeks door to door. I'll take it. If that time table holds, I should have my Osprey 45 in another 3 weeks, and my Colt 6933 in about 15 weeks. I've got my fingers crossed that it'll be smooth sailing for those two Form 4s.

[DutyUse]

Sounds to me like there's a lot that's left to the discretion of the examiner. If you get one of the good ones, they an make getting everything in order easy for you (and your FFL/SOT). If the examiner wants to be an asshole, it sounds like they have the latitude to get away with it.

At any rate, I got an email from my dealer telling the stamps for my Saker 556 and Saker 762 are in! Too bad I'm out of town and won't be able to pick them up until Friday.

Type: Form 4/Trust
Items: Silencers
Submitted: 10 JUN 2015
Approved: ?
Stamps at dealer: 06 OCT 2015

One day shy of 17 weeks door to door. I'll take it. If that time table holds, I should have my Osprey 45 in another 3 weeks, and my Colt 6933 in about 15 weeks. I've got my fingers crossed that it'll be smooth sailing for those two Form 4s.

Question for you. Who did you go through to buy your silencers? Silencershop has the Omega in that I want, but also lists some preferred in-state vendors to me who will honor their pricing. Is there an decline or increase in stamp wait time between an instate order versus dealing with a vendor out of state?

Congratulations by the way [BD]

[Deadwing]

Question for you. Who did you go through to buy your silencers? Silencershop has the Omega in that I want, but also lists some preferred in-state vendors to me who will honor their pricing. Is there an decline or increase in stamp wait time between an instate order versus dealing with a vendor out of state?

Congratulations by the way [BD]

I bought my silencers through Rainier Arms. If I'd bought from Silencer Shop or some other place online, I'd still need to have it go through an FFL that deals in NFA goodies, and of course stuff like silencers cost more to transfer because of the paperwork and the FFL storing your item while you wait for your stamp. Plus there's the extra wait time involved with Silencer Shop or whoever waiting for the Form 3 to be approved before they can transfer it to your dealer where you can then start the Form 4 (some dealers will start your Form 4 for you once they have the serial number from whoever you bought the can from, others will make you wait to start the Form 4 until the item is physically in their hands in case they're audited by BATFE). Since I trust Rainier Arms and would've had my item transferred through them anyway, and they had what I wanted in stock, I just bought my silencers direct from Rainier Arms. I think I paid a few bucks more than Silencer Shop's price, but with transfer fees and taxes factored in if I'd bought from a third party, I'm coming out way ahead. If Rainier couldn't get me what I wanted, I'd have no worries dealing with Silencer Shop. But I prefer to buy local if possible and save the time it takes for the Form 3 to clear and the transfer fee in the process.

[DutyUse]

I bought my silencers through Rainier Arms. If I'd bought from Silencer Shop or some other place online, I'd still need to have it go through an FFL that deals in NFA goodies, and of course stuff like silencers cost more to transfer because of the paperwork and the FFL storing your item while you wait for your stamp. Plus there's the extra wait time involved with Silencer Shop or whoever waiting for the Form 3 to be approved before they can transfer it to your dealer where you can then start the Form 4 (some dealers will start your Form 4 for you once they have the serial number from whoever you bought the can from, others will make you wait to start the Form 4 until the item is physically in their hands in case they're audited by BATFE). Since I trust Rainier Arms and would've had my item transferred through them anyway, and they had what I wanted in stock, I just bought my silencers direct from Rainier Arms. I think I paid a few bucks more than Silencer Shop's price, but with transfer fees and taxes factored in if I'd bought from a third party, I'm coming out way ahead. If Rainier couldn't get me what I wanted, I'd have no worries dealing with Silencer Shop. But I prefer to buy local if possible and save the time it takes for the Form 3 to clear and the transfer fee in the process.

Thanks bro great answer. I'm guessing Rainier is local to you? I'm not sure how many dealers would stock silencerco in my area, but it sounds like it might be worth investigating. Even if I have to pay a bit more it would probably be worth it for connivence & time?

[Deadwing]

Thanks bro great answer. I'm guessing Rainier is local to you? I'm not sure how many dealers would stock silencerco in my area, but it sounds like it might be worth investigating. Even if I have to pay a bit more it would probably be worth it for connivence & time?

Yeah, Rainier Arms is local to me. They're awesome to do business with and I've always got a good deal from them (in fact I think they've adjusted their pricing recently to be more competitive with places like Silencer Shop). If there's a problem (rarely happens), or I have a question, I send an email to the guy I usually deal with and he fixes the problem or answers my question. And he's fast abut it too, very proactive. And I trust their competence as a FFL and trust them 100 % to keep my gear safe while I'm waiting for my stamp, which is important because my money is already spent lol. So for me, saving a few bucks isn't worth giving that up. That said, I've heard nothing but good things about Silencer Shop, so if you've got a local FFL who knows his shit that you trust, you shouldn't have any problems. Ultimately, it's your hard earned cash, so roll with whatever makes the most sense financially and that you're comfortable with.

[Former11B]

I had a form 4 get returned a couple weeks ago. My newly elected Sheriff didn't put his title "Sheriff" after signing his name and department in the CLEO name and agency space. The ATF apparently wanted to know the title of the Chief LEO at Lexington County Sheriff's Department.... duurrrrrr.....at least they let me "have it corrected" and mail it back in.

[UWone77]

Question for you. Who did you go through to buy your silencers? Silencershop has the Omega in that I want, but also lists some preferred in-state vendors to me who will honor their pricing. Is there an decline or increase in stamp wait time between an instate order versus dealing with a vendor out of state?

Congratulations by the way [BD]

I thought you were LE? Silencerco has like 40-50% off on their LE/MIL Program

[Farva]

I thought you were LE? Silencerco has like 40-50% off on their LE/MIL Program

You don't say...

[DutyUse]

Yeah, Rainier Arms is local to me. They're awesome to do business with and I've always got a good deal from them (in fact I think they've adjusted their pricing recently to be more competitive with places like Silencer Shop). If there's a problem (rarely happens), or I have a question, I send an email to the guy I usually deal with and he fixes the problem or answers my question. And he's fast abut it too, very proactive. And I trust their competence as a FFL and trust them 100 % to keep my gear safe while I'm waiting for my stamp, which is important because my money is already spent lol. So for me, saving a few bucks isn't worth giving that up. That said, I've heard nothing but good things about Silencer Shop, so if you've got a local FFL who knows his shit that you trust, you shouldn't have any problems. Ultimately, it's your hard earned cash, so roll with whatever makes the most sense financially and that you're comfortable with.

None of my local FFLs I deal with regularly are class 3 unfortunately (small farm town), and bigger dealers like Buds or KYGUNCo is quite a drive so it's hard to develop any type of relationship but in passing every few months. I think your right though, buying from someone who stocks what I want in-state is the ticket.



I thought you were LE? Silencerco has like 40-50% off on their LE/MIL Program

I've only been doing promotional and logistical work depending on the season since I graduated college for Criminal Justice, and only part time as of lately. There's only so many positions around the state and the guys who have them usually stay until they retire. I'm just bidding my time until I'm called up to the big leagues lol. Until I'm promoted over to the Conservation officer side of the house and go through Department of Justice training I'm not an LEO nor do I qualify for the same privileges. I can usually conceal carry a firearm depending on what I'm doing or where I'm going, but I do so in a civilian capacity and at my own risk to an extent.

[cjd3]

I picked up a Tactical Supressor Removal Tool today. It was wrapped around a Sparrow SS.
http://i.imgur.com/KwleQOQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nqjB4Gx.jpg
The first addition to my stamp collection. Now for the Omega... then perhaps an F1 SBR, maybe a Osprey... I'm in trouble.

Oh yeah, purchased 5/16, F3 to dealer 6/30, approved 9/28, happy day 10/10

[SwissyJim]

Ha! yes you are in trouble. that little can is a gateway silencer. So fun to shoot you want more and more. Filing for a SPEQ program Omega this Monday... then I think I'm done.

[Deadwing]

I picked up my Saker 556 and Saker 762 from my deal Friday. Man, they are works of art. I finished building my 300BLK upper today, and went with a Trifecta RS flash hider instead of the brake that came with the can. No annoying ping! And the mounting system is rock solid and makes one hand on/off easy peasy. So far, i like what i see and find the Silencerco Trifecta mount to be superior to AAC's 51T system. I'll post up some pics in the NFA photo thread soon.

Type: Form 4/Trust
Submitted: 10 JUN 2015
Approved: 28 SEP 2015
Stamps at dealer: 06 OCT 2015
In my hands: 09 OCT 2015

[Aberration79]

If there is an issue, will it show on the e-Forms site? Is it worth calling to make sure there are no obstacles? Or just leave it be?

[Jerry R]

I picked up a Tactical Supressor Removal Tool today.

Very Nice !!

Oh, and I like the Sparrow too [:D]

[DutyUse]

I picked up my Saker 556 and Saker 762 from my deal Friday. Man, they are works of art. I finished building my 300BLK upper today, and went with a Trifecta RS flash hider instead of the brake that came with the can. No annoying ping! And the mounting system is rock solid and makes one hand on/off easy peasy. So far, i like what i see and find the Silencerco Trifecta mount to be superior to AAC's 51T system. I'll post up some pics in the NFA photo thread soon.

Type: Form 4/Trust
Submitted: 10 JUN 2015
Approved: 28 SEP 2015
Stamps at dealer: 06 OCT 2015
In my hands: 09 OCT 2015

Nice selections. Grats

[alamo5000]

I picked up my Saker 556 and Saker 762 from my deal Friday. Man, they are works of art. I finished building my 300BLK upper today, and went with a Trifecta RS flash hider instead of the brake that came with the can. No annoying ping! And the mounting system is rock solid and makes one hand on/off easy peasy. So far, i like what i see and find the Silencerco Trifecta mount to be superior to AAC's 51T system. I'll post up some pics in the NFA photo thread soon.

Type: Form 4/Trust
Submitted: 10 JUN 2015
Approved: 28 SEP 2015
Stamps at dealer: 06 OCT 2015
In my hands: 09 OCT 2015

Congrats!

My check got cashed June 1 so I am hoping that I get mine back any day now.

[Deadwing]

Nice selections. Grats


Congrats!

My check got cashed June 1 so I am hoping that I get mine back any day now.

Thank you, gentlemen. I haven't had the chance to do much of anything with them yet, as i've been struck down with the plague the past few days. God, i hate being sick.

You're definitely in the zone, alamo! Shouldn't be long now!

[Deadwing]

If there is an issue, will it show on the e-Forms site? Is it worth calling to make sure there are no obstacles? Or just leave it be?

As long as it still says Submitted/In Process when you log in and check the status of your form, you should be good. From what i've read, eForms will immediately put your application in problem status upon submission if you're trying to form 1 SBR an 80% lower, and the model and manufacturer aren't in the ATF database already (or something similar), but that's usually cleared up with an email and some pics of your lower. If your form went submitted/in process immediately and it still shows that, you should be fine. I'm pretty sure the ATF would notify you of any problems with your application, just as they do with paper forms, if a problem is encountered. Just be patient. If it's been six months and nothing has changed, i might call. But eforms are taking just about as long as paper forms for approval again, so it might take 4 months or so. Be sure and log in to check the status of your form. I've read of instances where forms have been approved, and an email stating as much wasn't sent/generated by the system.

[Joelski]

Stupid phone! :mad:

[SINNER]

Got the call yesterday that 2 of my cans on lockup have been released from jail. IIRC these were purchased in June. The odd thing is another dealers is sitting on some that were purchased first and still have not been approved.

[steveptr]

I'm so excited reading about everyone getting their can. Mine should be coming back anytime soon. So stoked. Congrats to everyone who's gotten theirs back

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

[alamo5000]

My tax stamp has arrived! I opened that email and I think I heard a chorus of angels singing as I read it!

June 1 cashed check
Oct 13 Approved

Griffin Armament Recce 5.

I am going to pick it up on Monday.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

My tax stamp has arrived! I opened that email and I think I heard a chorus of angels singing as I read it!

June 1 cashed check
Oct 13 Approved

Griffin Armament Recce 5.

I am going to pick it up on Monday.

Thank the lord!!

J/K congrats man. Enjoy it and just remember it'll make you want more quick fast and in a hurry.

[DutyUse]

Grata Alamo

[alamo5000]

Thank the lord!!

J/K congrats man. Enjoy it and just remember it'll make you want more quick fast and in a hurry.

HAHAA! I walked right into that one :) I figured you guys would be just as relieved as I am. LOL

I already want a bunch more. I am already there. I sooo need more money.


Grata Alamo

Thank you! I am pretty excited. I was going to go this week but getting off work was kind of a hassle and plus I can get another 4 day week next week so I figured whats another few days...

[alamo5000]

Here is a question though, not that it really matters... I am just curious.

On the copy of the form 4 that they sent me it has the examiner's signature on it and a date stamp dated September 14, 2015. That's almost a month ago to the day.

I am wondering what that is all about? How does it work? Does anyone know?

[cjd3]

Got the call yesterday that 2 of my cans on lockup have been released from jail. IIRC these were purchased in June. The odd thing is another dealers is sitting on some that were purchased first and still have not been approved.
I jumped the line as well at my FFL, it's a good thing he won't tell them it was me.

[Deadwing]

Here is a question though, not that it really matters... I am just curious.

On the copy of the form 4 that they sent me it has the examiner's signature on it and a date stamp dated September 14, 2015. That's almost a month ago to the day.

I am wondering what that is all about? How does it work? Does anyone know?

Congrats! Gotta feel good about that!

As for the date your form was approved, i can only guess that either the ATF or your dealer were sitting on your form before it got sent out or you were notified. When i picked my two cans up last week, my dealer told me that my two Form 4s were sent back with 26 other From 4s from the ATF. Based on that, i'd say it was the ATF that was sitting on your stamp, and that it was sent to your dealer as a batch with some others.

[Uffdaphil]

My guy is getting them in bunches also.

[alamo5000]

Based on that, i'd say it was the ATF that was sitting on your stamp, and that it was sent to your dealer as a batch with some others.

I am sure mine was in one of those pallet-full-of-forms that Silencer Shop gets from time to time :)

All I know is at least it's here.

[Vel]

I am sure mine was in one of those pallet-full-of-forms that Silencer Shop gets from time to time :)

All I know is at least it's here.

Good to hear! I'm biding my unnecessary extra wait time by buying other guns I can use mine on when it gets here!

[Deadwing]

I am sure mine was in one of those pallet-full-of-forms that Silencer Shop gets from time to time :)

All I know is at least it's here.

That you went through Silencer Shop didn't even cross my mind. It probably took them a month to get to your form in that pallet-o-forms they received. [BD]

[Former11B]

Yall are gonna love me:

Individual Paper Form 4
Griffin Recce 5 Mod 3
Check Cashed: August 12th, 2015
Approved date: October 2nd, 2015
Dealer Received Approved Stamp: October 15, 2015
Picking up Monday

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Yall are gonna love me:

Individual Paper Form 4
Griffin Recce 5 Mod 3
Check Cashed: August 12th, 2015
Dealer Received Approved Stamp: October 15, 2015
Picking up Monday

That's awesome! I've been noticing individual forms have been approving much faster. 2 months and 3 days days is sweet!

[cjd3]

Yall are gonna love me:

Individual Paper Form 4
Griffin Recce 5 Mod 3
Check Cashed: August 12th, 2015
Dealer Received Approved Stamp: October 15, 2015
Picking up Monday
I remember everyone telling me that trusts were way faster when I was setting up my trust. I wonder what percentage are trusts now, and not individual. My latest check was cashed a month after you, so there's a chance of an early Christmas.

[alamo5000]

Yall are gonna love me:

Individual Paper Form 4
Griffin Recce 5 Mod 3
Check Cashed: August 12th, 2015
Dealer Received Approved Stamp: October 15, 2015
Picking up Monday


That's awesome. We are gonna get ours on the same day.

[SwissyJim]

yup, seems trusts are slower now. Oh well... still my preferred method. That is cool that is was that short!

Omega forms sent in today... last wait unless I do another SBR (458Socom maybe? LOL)

[Former11B]

Check cashed to approval date WITH an error correction form... 51 days. Is that a record for an individual paper form?

[Joelski]

Just read on M4c where some lucky fella got his 9.25 eForm/Trust form 1 back already (!!!!) I'm August 30th (Accepted and CC billed), and praying I'm getting close, but not holding my breath yet!

Naturally, the outage page is up and going strong! [bash]

[Aberration79]

Submitted Form 1 Trust 6/30. Still pending. At least they said there are no errors. First time I bothered calling them, kind of rude. Its like talking to DMV. Jeez relax people.

[Former11B]

Submitted Form 1 Trust 6/30. Still pending. At least they said there are no errors. First time I bothered calling them, kind of rude. Its like talking to DMV. Jeez relax people.

Is it the Form 1 or the trust part thats making it run so far behind? I just had a Form 4 (individual) check cashed, problem form, stamp to dealer in 51 days

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Is it the Form 1 or the trust part thats making it run so far behind? I just had a Form 4 (individual) check cashed, problem form, stamp to dealer in 51 days

Trust... everyone jumped on the trust bandwagon, including myself, last year. The amount of form 1's by individual vs trust is considerably less...

[Uffdaphil]

Two cans filed via trust 6/22. Took possession today.

[Farva]

I'll be going to get my process started this week.

[Joelski]

How long does it average to go pending with a trust/form 1?

[Aberration79]

Is it the Form 1 or the trust part thats making it run so far behind? I just had a Form 4 (individual) check cashed, problem form, stamp to dealer in 51 days

The only reason that I went with the trust is because of the stupid universal background check law that passed in OR. So while not all the firearms will be NFA, all of the firearms will be in the trust. I think then I don't have to worry about the family members in the trust using the firearms.


How long does it average to go pending with a trust/form 1?

Their recording pretty much says not to bother them unless its been 5 months.

[cjd3]

Their recording pretty much says not to bother them unless its been 5 months.
I called them at 3 months for can 1, and while I had them on the line, they gave me the info for can 2. It took them only seconds to give me the pending date. So I say put your tax stamp dollars to work, and give them a ring. I'll call them next month when it hits three months pending for Mr. Omega.

[din]

Sandman-L ordered a little before midnight yesterday. Trying out silencershop's powered by program, we'll see how it goes.

[eldogg]

ordered thru the silencer shop, trust.
ordered 09/10/15
check cashed 09/29/15
shipped to dealer( nfa jail) 11/04/15

[Farva]

Bought my mini4 today. Now we wait

[DutyUse]

Bought my mini4 today. Now we wait

Grats

[alamo5000]

Bought my mini4 today. Now we wait

WOO HOO!!!! Congrats!

[cjd3]

Bought my mini4 today. Now we wait
If you put it on a Mini-14, do you get a Double Mini 18?

[Farva]

Grats


WOO HOO!!!! Congrats!

Thanks fellas!!


If you put it on a Mini-14, do you get a Double Mini 18?

You might be on to something here...

[SwissyJim]

@!#$%^&*()>
Just got a call from my 'crack' dealer... here I thought I was getting a stamp back in record time! Nope... forms came back and have to be sent in again.
(*&^%&*()(*&^%$^&*()

ruined a perfectly good day. Now I'm all cranky and pissed off.

[Joelski]

Sorry, bro. That sucks!

[din]

@!#$%^&*()>
Just got a call from my 'crack' dealer... here I thought I was getting a stamp back in record time! Nope... forms came back and have to be sent in again.
(*&^%&*()(*&^%$^&*()

ruined a perfectly good day. Now I'm all cranky and pissed off.

Whoohsah.