Transfer Times

[CarbonScoring]

Two cans filed via trust 6/22. Took possession today.

I was there when your stamps came in. Needless to say, I'm jealous. Still waiting on the stamp for my Omega (filed July 10th). I also purchased another can a week or two ago. Gonna be awhile on that one.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

What happened with your forms Jim

[Uffdaphil]

I was there when your stamps came in. Needless to say, I'm jealous. Still waiting on the stamp for my Omega (filed July 10th). I also purchased another can a week or two ago. Gonna be awhile on that one.

I feel your pain Jeff. Great fun trying both supressors yesterday. Smaller POI shift than expected. Screw on pistol can gets loose quickly. Do the tighten up at least each mag.

[SwissyJim]

What happened with your forms Jim
My wife had the checkbook, and rather than wait I used the form to use my credit card. And my #@$%^&* bank denied the charge. of all the times to actually have the fraud detection actually stop a charge, it had to be one that was legit (had some issues in the past) and I got no warning or option to allow it. So the entire packet was sent back, with a nice red stamp on it stating Funds Insufficient or something like that. So it's not something I step back into line from... new forms being mailed to me and I start aaaaaalllllll over. Note to self... USE A FREAKING CHECK!! lol

I guess if there is a bright side, it's that this was for the Omega and I already have a 30cal can... if it had slowed the 458 can I'd be more bummed. Not that I'm not bummed (ok, a little pissed)

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Damn man that sucks! My dealer sends a check in when when you purchase from him. I pay him and he pays them.

[SwissyJim]

Damn man that sucks! My dealer sends a check in when when you purchase from him. I pay him and he pays them.
I've always used a check, except my 2 eFiled form1's. No issues. And the ONE time I deviate from the norm I get screwed. And it's not like it's a CC that is full or not used. On the contrary it's used for EVERYTHING, and I do mean everything (air miles card) and I pay it off each month. I order online with it... a LOT... no issues. Overseas orders.. no issues. And the one freaking time I use it with mailed in forms... boom. denied. I started to call and bitch at them about it but hung up as it would only get me more pissed and would lead to nowhere other than me drinking more. So off to mail in new forms and get back in line.
*sigh*

[gatordev]

Form 4 Suppressor
Submitted: 7/1/15
Approved: 10/28/15

Not sure if it's been delivered by the mail man yet, but I'm guessing it has.

[Deadwing]

Form 4 Suppressor
Submitted: 7/1/15
Approved: 10/28/15

Not sure if it's been delivered by the mail man yet, but I'm guessing it has.

Sweet! The Form 4 i submitted on 7/2/15 ought to be right around the corner!

[Aberration79]

Disapproved... ugh.

[Deadwing]

Well, shit... Looks like my Colt 6933 is playing hard to get. BATFE sent my Form 4 back to my dealer stamped "Returned Without Action" with the note reading "Not in transferable inventory." Apparently the PD that traded it in to my dealer never filed a Form 5 to return the weapon to transferable status. I called the ATF this morning (the gal I spoke with was incredibly nice and very helpful) and was told the Form 5 is pending and that I can submit a new Form 4 any time. The new Form 4 was completed this morning and should go out in today's mail. I'm not a happy camper. Almost two f#@*ing months of waiting and now I start over again.

On the bright side, I finally got the stamp for my Osprey 45 back:

Form 4 (Trust)
Submitted 7/2/2015
Approved 11/4/2015
In my hands 11/12/2015

[Ride4frnt]

Well, shit... Looks like my Colt 6933 is playing hard to get. BATFE sent my Form 4 back to my dealer stamped "Returned Without Action" with the note reading "Not in transferable inventory." Apparently the PD that traded it in to my dealer never filed a Form 5 to return the weapon to transferable status. I called the ATF this morning (the gal I spoke with was incredibly nice and very helpful) and was told the Form 5 is pending and that I can submit a new Form 4 any time. The new Form 4 was completed this morning and should go out in today's mail. I'm not a happy camper. Almost two f#@*ing months of waiting and now I start over again.

On the bright side, I finally got the stamp for my Osprey 45 back:

Form 4 (Trust)
Submitted 7/2/2015
Approved 11/4/2015
In my hands 11/12/2015

Wish it was as easy as an efile form 1. When my sbr was denied it got approved the next day on my second form 1. The refund is a different story. That took 3 months.

[Deadwing]

Wish it was as easy as an efile form 1. When my sbr was denied it got approved the next day on my second form 1. The refund is a different story. That took 3 months.

For the reason my form was returned, there's no reason they couldn't have taken my re-submitted form along with the Form 5 and stamped my form approved as soon as the Form 5 was approved. I'll be curious to see how long it takes to get a refund for the form they sent back. I highly doubt it'll be as quick to refund as they were to cash the check i sent.

[Deadwing]

Well i'll be damned...

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/Deadwing76/d144217c-8279-4ca0-bec1-a2d7f926f738_zps2n5ikici.png (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/Deadwing76/media/d144217c-8279-4ca0-bec1-a2d7f926f738_zps2n5ikici.png.html)

[DutyUse]

Wow that was quick

[Deadwing]

I was very surprised to see this in the mail today. I don't think i've ever got my money back from the government this fast. Hell, my direct deposit income tax refund took longer!

[cjd3]

My Omega ordered on 8/28 just got form 3 OK'd 11/15/15, shipping today.
My form 4 is Pending 9/14/15.
I just may call ATF. My last form 3 was Ok'd in 3 weeks, then the sent in the form 4. It may be a 2 can year.

[SwissyJim]

My wife had the checkbook, and rather than wait I used the form to use my credit card. And my #@$%^&* bank denied the charge. of all the times to actually have the fraud detection actually stop a charge, it had to be one that was legit (had some issues in the past) and I got no warning or option to allow it. So the entire packet was sent back, with a nice red stamp on it stating Funds Insufficient or something like that. So it's not something I step back into line from... new forms being mailed to me and I start aaaaaalllllll over. Note to self... USE A FREAKING CHECK!! lol

I guess if there is a bright side, it's that this was for the Omega and I already have a 30cal can... if it had slowed the 458 can I'd be more bummed. Not that I'm not bummed (ok, a little pissed)

Well, there may be a ray of sunshine after all. Just found out that as soon as my check arrived, it was cashed. So I may not have lost much of my place in line...

Also got note that my 458Socom can is now at my dealer... "Your Scorpion suppressor finally showed up. The finish looks nice, the engraving is really striking, it is surprisingly light weight, and quite a bit smaller than I expected... The pouch that it comes with is nice also" Might have to go fondle it if it's not released soon.

[steveptr]

Just waiting for the call checks cashed on 6-30 still waiting. Getting impatient.

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[Aberration79]

Finally got approved after the system came up Wed. Filed 6/30, Trust Form 1.

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[cjd3]

Finally got approved after the system came up Wed. Filed 6/30, Trust Form 1.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/E3E192AA-6E08-4CA4-876E-555EA55005DD_zpspi0rpfpg.jpg
I really wanted ALG to make their 8" in M-Lok, but I'm not going to attach a ton of stuff on my SBR. That being said, I think I may fallow your lead. Did you file paper or e-file?

[Aberration79]

e-file. Glad I did when there was an issue.

[DutyUse]

I really wanted ALG to make their 8" in M-Lok, but I'm not going to attach a ton of stuff on my SBR. That being said, I think I may fallow your lead. Did you file paper or e-file?

Sick little build! I've seen people bash those ALG rails for being ugly, but for the price I love em. Well executed sir!

[UWone77]

Finally got approved after the system came up Wed. Filed 6/30, Trust Form 1.

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/Aberration_01/E3E192AA-6E08-4CA4-876E-555EA55005DD_zpspi0rpfpg.jpg

She's a beauty. Where's the can? [:D]

[Deadwing]

Sick little build! I've seen people bash those ALG rails for being ugly, but for the price I love em. Well executed sir!

I like the ALG rails (V2?) that have the extra section machined at the end where it blends with the upper, along with the small section of M1913 rail at the muzzle end. I used one of these rails on a build for my dad and loved the way it felt in my hands. ALG's install method for timing and proper torque of the barrel nut is ingenious and worked like a charm. For the money, you'd be hard pressed to find a better quality rail.

[Aberration79]

She's a beauty. Where's the can? [:D]

A friend runs a lot of Surefire's. I wanted to check one out first. I gotta get her running good first. Short stroking and overrunning the round in the magazine. Gotta lighten the bugger I think.


I like the ALG rails (V2?) that have the extra section machined at the end where it blends with the upper, along with the small section of M1913 rail at the muzzle end. I used one of these rails on a build for my dad and loved the way it felt in my hands. ALG's install method for timing and proper torque of the barrel nut is ingenious and worked like a charm. For the money, you'd be hard pressed to find a better quality rail.

Yeah I am real happy. MLOK is more appealing looking, but Keymod will work just fine. If they ever updated I would probably change.

A whole lot of people keep asking about cheek weld. I usually got my nose up close to the charging handle, so the short tube works just fine. I see MVB now how a multi-position stock... ARGH. Whatever, 2 works just fine.

Now I gotta look at cans, and ponder a cerakote job.

[din]

Form 3 Status: Approved 12/7/2015
Form 4 Status: ATF Check Cashed 11/23/2015

[alamo5000]

Form 3 Status: Approved 12/7/2015
Form 4 Status: ATF Check Cashed 11/23/2015

What are you buying din?

[din]

Sandman-L. It's a bit long, but I'm 6'6" so it all kind of works out.

[Joelski]

When dd you submit?

[din]

Purchased Nov 3. Form 3 submitted Nov 5. Form 4 submitted Nov 16.

[alamo5000]

Purchased Nov 3. Form 3 submitted Nov 5. Form 4 submitted Nov 16.

What are you going to put that bad boy on?

[din]

What are you going to put that bad boy on?

Everything I can, but primarily for a 10.5" 300 BLK I need to SBR and a 14.5" 5.56 with pinned muzzle device.

[Joelski]

Purchased Nov 3. Form 3 submitted Nov 5. Form 4 submitted Nov 16.

Holy shit that was fast!

[alamo5000]

Form 1 for 10.5 SBR submitted and paid (efile) 12/13/2015

[alamo5000]

Griffin Revolution 9

Check cashed by the ATF 12/22/2015

[tappedandtagged]

Form 1 SBS e-filed with Trust
Submitted/paid- 12/27/15
Withdrawal letter sent- 1/24/16

[Jerry R]

Form-1 SBR efiled with trust 12/22/15.

[din]

Form 1 for SBR eFiled with trust 12/31/2015.

[jdhill]

Form 1 for SBR efiled with trust 12/31/2015... when I first hit submit, I got a server error, try later message... but a few minutes later I got the submitted/in process status email.

[Joelski]

Form 1/Trust filed/charged 8/31.

APPROVED 1/4!

[Former11B]

All these December checks cashed folks are going to have some new gear to play with in the spring!

[SwissyJim]

lets hope so! NFAtracker 'guesstimates' I'll have my 458Socom can in Feb (87% chance) and my Omega in March (75%) or Apriil (97%)
And a yet to be filed SBR...

[tappedandtagged]

NFA Tracker was dead on for my 556 Specwar a couple years ago. Last year, they were way a few months off on my Spectre II. They guessed it would be 75% March, 90% April, if I remember correctly. I got it in late January.

Hope my SBS form 1 comes in early.

[schambers]

Form 4 for Griffin Armament RSTA 7.62

Submitted: 07/JAN/2016
Approved: 28/JUNE/2016

[Joelski]

Ah yes, the wait begins...

[DutyUse]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/bf70d9b2c1fa7a7be14bd22e21211fc2.jpg

Impulse buy today

[Joelski]

Does the price include conjugal visits?

:D

[Deadwing]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/bf70d9b2c1fa7a7be14bd22e21211fc2.jpg

Impulse buy today

Nice! You are going to love it!

[DutyUse]

Thanks :)

I looked everywhere for one with an ASR mount system to match the Omega I already bought but no dice.

I'll probably just end up leaving the omega on my 300 sbr semi-permanently and using the saker as a beater. I've already been eyeing the new hybrid so hopefully soon I'll add that to the waiting pains

[Deadwing]

LOL! $1000 can being used as a beater. [BD]

I ordered a 51T mount for my Sakers during SilencerCo's Christmas sale. It works better with my AAC muzzle devices than my AAC can. :P

[DutyUse]

When I read "paper thin" and "glued" when silencer shop was talking about the Omega it didn't quite inspire confidence. I just get the impression the saker should go on the high round count uppers

[Deadwing]

I think the Saker is a bit more stout in it's construction. But the Omega is no slouch either.

[Slippers]

Silencerco swapped my trifecta mount and half a dozen muzzle devices for the ASR last week, for free. So far, very pleased with it. Haven't had any trouble moving the can around between rifles, and it hasn't gotten stuck a single time.

May want to see if Silencerco will swap it out for you instead of spending $300 on a maad module.

[DutyUse]

Silencerco swapped my trifecta mount and half a dozen muzzle devices for the ASR last week, for free. So far, very pleased with it. Haven't had any trouble moving the can around between rifles, and it hasn't gotten stuck a single time.

May want to see if Silencerco will swap it out for you instead of spending $300 on a maad module.

Thanks Will. That's a great idea. I hadn't even thought about that. I just got 4 ASR devices from their holiday sale and had planned to use the ASR system across all my builds. I'll shoot them an email tomorrow :)

[alamo5000]

Form 3 got approved in 41 days including weekends, Christmas, and New Years.

[DutyUse]

Form 3 got approved in 41 days including weekends, Christmas, and New Years.

Grats!

[alamo5000]

Grats!

Thank you!

It was probably approved a little faster than 41 days but from the night I made the purchase to the day it shipped was 41 days.

[Vel]

Saker 7.62
Purchased 4/20/15
Check cashed 8/24/15
Form 4 FINALLY approved 1/25/16

So only 9 months from purchase date....frustrating is an understatement. Still no product in hand.

[Slippers]

Saker 7.62
Purchased 4/20/15
Check cashed 8/24/15
Form 4 FINALLY approved 1/25/16

So only 9 months from purchase date....frustrating is an understatement. Still no product in hand.

Were you waiting on a form 3?

[Vel]

Were you waiting on a form 3?

Yes, one of the two other parties involved in the transaction/transfer "misplaced" it. It basically added 3-4 months onto my wait.

[tact]

Thanks Will. That's a great idea. I hadn't even thought about that. I just got 4 ASR devices from their holiday sale and had planned to use the ASR system across all my builds. I'll shoot them an email tomorrow :)

Let me know if that doesn't work out.

[cjd3]

Still pending 9/14/15 :(

[tappedandtagged]

SBS Round 2 (With the shotgun I really wanted to use)

Eform 1 Submitted/Paid 01/29/2016

[tappedandtagged]

Still pending 9/14/15 :(
Ouch. When I called today, their automated system is saying Form 1's and 4's are taking ~5 months...

[gatordev]

Both NFAtracker and Silencer Shop are indicating that timeline, as well. I'm guessing it'll slip to 6 months here shortly since there was a huge rush right as 41P turning into 41F.

[alamo5000]

Ouch. When I called today, their automated system is saying Form 1's and 4's are taking ~5 months...

It's been 5 months for quite a while now. It took my first form 4 that long and that was the middle of last year.

[JPLMedic]

Still pending 9/14/15 :(

Is this e-file or paper?

[UWone77]

Saker 7.62
Purchased 4/20/15
Check cashed 8/24/15
Form 4 FINALLY approved 1/25/16

So only 9 months from purchase date....frustrating is an understatement. Still no product in hand.

A few years ago I waited 309 and 311 days for just a Form 4s to get approved. One of them was on a Form 3, that took over a year in itself, because of the dealer and ATF both goobering up the paperwork, which had to be resubmitted 3x.

[mtdawg169]

It's been 5 months for quite a while now. It took my first form 4 that long and that was the middle of last year.
At least their estimate is more accurate than it used to be. A while back, they were routinely overstating the turnaround by about 90 days.

I've got a 10/6 pending. When I bought it, wait times were around 4 months. Now, it's 5. My dealer does a pretty high volume and they're just getting in late August applications.

[cjd3]

Is this e-file or paper?
Paper Trust 4.
I'll probably efile my form 1 in March when funds are available for my SBR.

[Farva]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/f1c7d3ce35ff1a7944c3c3f270f45b09.jpg

Should be getting close to having this baby in hand!

[cjd3]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/f1c7d3ce35ff1a7944c3c3f270f45b09.jpg

Should be getting close to having this baby in hand!

Is this a conjugal visit at NFA jail?

[Farva]

Is this a conjugal visit at NFA jail?

Haha no just an old picture, reminiscing I guess lol

[Deadwing]

Is this a conjugal visit at NFA jail?

LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!

[DeviantLogic]

Haha no just an old picture, reminiscing I guess lol

I recognized the office...did you know Harsh got broken into last week? Might be worth calling to make sure your baby didn't get snagged.

[Farva]

I recognized the office...did you know Harsh got broken into last week? Might be worth calling to make sure your baby didn't get snagged.

Interesting. I haven't heard about this, and I work for the Sheriff's office! Hell if they've caught the guys I might have encountered them. I'll call them in the morning. Thanks for the heads up!

[DeviantLogic]

Not trying to set off any alarms...I think they would have given you a heads up if you were impacted, but still worth checking. ATF was up there when I stopped in last Friday. I think their FB page has more details.

[Farva]

Not trying to set off any alarms...I think they would have given you a heads up if you were impacted, but still worth checking. ATF was up there when I stopped in last Friday. I think their FB page has more details.

I'm not worried. I agree with you I would imagine either them or the ATF would notify me.

That's some major Federal, pound you in the ass, type prison time for the thieves if they made off with NFA items.

[alamo5000]

That's some major Federal, pound you in the ass, type prison time for the thieves if they made off with NFA items.

You have a way with words. It's almost like poetry. :)

[Farva]

You have a way with words. It's almost like poetry. :)

[emoji41] just imagine some guy hitting a drum at a slow cadence and me snapping my fingers for hours on end in my hippie circle. Lol

[alamo5000]

You could always take up writing romance novels if the whole law enforcement thing ever gets old... LOL!

[cjd3]

Looks like I'm a Two Can Sam now. Omega in hand today after a August 28 purchase.

[alamo5000]

Looks like I'm a Two Can Sam now. Omega in hand today after a August 28 purchase.

Congrats! Shoot it!

[DutyUse]

Looks like I'm a Two Can Sam now. Omega in hand today after a August 28 purchase.

Congrats! It feels like ive been waiting forever to get my Omega out of jail and I still have 5 months to go... ATF sucks

[SwissyJim]

Looks like I'm a Two Can Sam now. Omega in hand today after a August 28 purchase.
Nice!!!! We should hit the range one of these days.... curious to see the difference between the Omega and my Specwar (I'm still waiting for my Omega)

[eldogg]

my stamp came today and I picked it up.
ordered a griffin sd 30 from the silencer shop on 09/07
check cashed on 09/23
transferred to dealer 11/04
paper work signed on 01/30.

[cjd3]

Nice!!!! We should hit the range one of these days.... curious to see the difference between the Omega and my Specwar (I'm still waiting for my Omega)
We'll have to try a nice weekend, when I can get the extra commute time to BWSP.

[SINNER]

Just got the call that my 5.56 Saker's stamp arrived. Can't even recall how long it's been on that. Pretty sure August purchase. 2 purchased after that one have been approved for months.

I can tell you one thing they are not slow taking your money. A form filed last Friday with the new credit card option was entered into the system and my card charged today.

[gatordev]

Form 1 Trust eFile:

Submitted: 11/15/15
Approved/Received: 2/18/15

Pretty surprised by the turnaround (93 days), though it was before the 41F rush, so I'm sure there are darker times ahead.

[cjd3]

Form 1 Trust eFile:

Submitted: 11/15/15
Approved/Received: 2/18/15

Pretty surprised by the turnaround (93 days), though it was before the 41F rush, so I'm sure there are darker times ahead.

Do you get a physical stamp with an e-file?

[gatordev]

No, it's a .pdf of the form with the stamp on it like a digital watermark that gets sent to your email. It works well enough, but not as "collectible" as an actual stamp.

[din]

I thought I was doing okay with the wait, but I was wrong, wrong, wrong. Argh. Ack. Need my can!

[Joelski]

Best thing you can do is completely forget about it for four months.

[mtdawg169]

Best thing you can do is completely forget about it for four months.
We're at 5 months for Form 4 right now, eform 1 seems to be a little faster. But with the recent increase in volume since the announcement of 41F, there's no telling how long an application sent in today will actually take. Probably much longer.

[cjd3]

Now that I have my stamps, I read this thread and smile.

[SINNER]

I always have something pending it seems. Easier to forget then it's like Christmas when you get the call.


I do know dealer transfers have almost doubled in wait times.

[Deadwing]

Now that I have my stamps, I read this thread and smile.

Until the next time you get the NFA itch... [BD]

[Deadwing]

I always have something pending it seems. Easier to forget then it's like Christmas when you get the call.


I do know dealer transfers have almost doubled in wait times.

It's like Christmas, but better. Santa never brought me SBRs or silencers. [BD]

[cjd3]

Until the next time you get the NFA itch... [BD]

SBR in April/May

[Deadwing]

SBR in April/May

Nice! If Washington state would get their shit together and fix our SBR law, i'd Form 1 a couple more lowers before 41F takes effect.

What are you planning on building/buying?

[cjd3]

Nice! If Washington state would get their shit together and fix our SBR law, i'd Form 1 a couple more lowers before 41F takes effect.

What are you planning on building/buying?
I've got the Aero Lower with a CMT lefty upper in hand. Really just need the BA Hanson 8.3 300blk barrel, and appropriate handguard and I'll be in business.

[Deadwing]

That ought to be a sweet shooter when you get it finished.

[Deadwing]

I got the ball rolling on a Silencerco Octane 45K today. Let the waiting begin. Yet again.

[DutyUse]

I got the ball rolling on a Silencerco Octane 45K today. Let the waiting begin. Yet again.

Future congrats! Haha waiting sucks, I feel your pain though, I plan on adding an omega 9k when I find one locally

[Deadwing]

Future congrats! Haha waiting sucks, I feel your pain though, I plan on adding an omega 9k when I find one locally

Thanks! I was debating waiting for an Omega 9K, but i would've kicked myself later if i didn't grab the Octane 45K. I'm still waiting for the Hybrid to show up at my dealer. Who knows though... I might have to get a Omega 9K too. [BD]

[fairlanericky]

Griffin Armament Spartan 3
Paper Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 10-16-15
Approved: 02-19-16
Stamp received: 02-26-16

Examiner: Robin Chesek



Ric

[alamo5000]

Griffin Armament Spartan 3
Paper Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 10-16-15
Approved: 02-19-16
Stamp received: 02-25-16

Examiner: Robin Chesek



Ric

Nice. Congrats!

4 months on the button almost.

Once you get the can and shoot it some do a write up and take some pics for us here.

[fairlanericky]

Nice. Congrats!

4 months on the button almost.

Once you get the can and shoot it some do a write up and take some pics for us here.


Thanks alamo, this is my first NFA purchase and the 4 month wait sucked. Hoping to do a Form 1 SBR as soon as the new SBR bill language is finalized here in Wa.
I picked it up earlier today. [:D] Still waiting for the SBR stamp that was submitted on 10-21-15. As of yesterday, it was still pending. :(
I'll definitely take pictures and post a little write up when I get things sorted.



Ric

[DutyUse]

Got the ball rolling on a Silencerco Sparrow this afternoon.

Went from zero suppressors, to waiting on 3 to get out of jail in 2 months. I must be a glutton for wait times

[Deadwing]

Got the ball rolling on a Silencerco Sparrow this afternoon.

Went from zero suppressors, to waiting on 3 to get out of jail in 2 months. I must be a glutton for wait times

Nice. Stamp collecting is an addicting (and expensive) hobby. I still would like a dedicated 22 can myself, and the Sparrow is a damn good choice.

[DutyUse]

Nice. Stamp collecting is an addicting (and expensive) hobby. I still would like a dedicated 22 can myself, and the Sparrow is a damn good choice.

Thanks bro. I actually wanted a Griffin Checkmate QD .22 can but couldn't find one local. Just happened to stumble on the sparrow at my local dealer today when I was checking the status of our Saker & Omega. I'm getting really psyched for late spring/early summer :)

[Sak007]

Silencerco Omega
Submited 09/15/15

DeadAir Sandman Ti
Submited 09/15/15

Thompson Machine Operative
Submited 09/15/15

Sbr Ak
Submited 11/09/15

[Deadwing]

Thanks bro. I actually wanted a Griffin Checkmate QD .22 can but couldn't find one local. Just happened to stumble on the sparrow at my local dealer today when I was checking the status of our Saker & Omega. I'm getting really psyched for late spring/early summer :)

I'm coming up on four months since the Form 4 on my 6933 was re-submitted. I'm starting to get antsy. :P

[DutyUse]

I'm coming up on four months since the Form 4 on my 6933 was re-submitted. I'm starting to get antsy. :P

Haha I bet. I can't believe you found that Colt SBR so cheap. I still need to SBR a few more lowers myself

[Deadwing]

Haha I bet. I can't believe you found that Colt SBR so cheap. I still need to SBR a few more lowers myself

I rarely find an absolute screaming deal. Got lucky for a change. I wish WA state would get their shit together and fix out SBR law so i could Form 1 a couple more lowers myself.

[SwissyJim]

Submitted my Lane 458Socom Sept 28... aaaaaaaany day now[BD]

Omega submitted 10/15... soon!

Gonna SBR my Battle Kitty tomorrow.

i think that'll be it.









for now [:D]

[Deadwing]

Submitted my Lane 458Socom Sept 28... aaaaaaaany day now[BD]

Omega submitted 10/15... soon!

Gonna SBR my Battle Kitty tomorrow.

i think that'll be it.









for now [:D]

There's always the "for now" caveat. [BD]

[fairlanericky]

SBR'd current lower

Paper Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 10-21-15
Approved: 02-27-16
Stamp Received: 03-02-16



Ric

[cjd3]

SBR'd current lower

Paper Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 10-21-15
Approved: 02-27-16
Stamp Received: pending
Ric
I think I'll go paper too, if I'm paying $200, might as well get something tangible.

[Sak007]

I rarely find an absolute screaming deal. Got lucky for a change. I wish WA state would get their shit together and fix out SBR law so i could Form 1 a couple more lowers myself.It passed on Tues 93-4 now its off to senate .

[mtdawg169]

SBR'd current lower

Paper Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 10-21-15
Approved: 02-27-16
Stamp Received: pending



Ric
You SBR'd a Title 1 lower that you already owned?

[Deadwing]

It passed on Tues 93-4 now its off to senate .

That is fantastic news.

[mtdawg169]

Harvester 30
Form 4 Trust
Purchased: 10/6/15
Pending: 10/23
Approved: 2/25/16
Received: pending receipt

[fairlanericky]

You SBR'd a Title 1 lower that you already owned?

F2-F4 through FFL/SOT

782



Ric

[mtdawg169]

F2-F4 through FFL.



Ric
Why? Honest question. Not sure I understand what you did. Did you just not want your information on the lower?

[fairlanericky]

Why? Honest question. Not sure I understand what you did. Did you just not want your information on the lower?

I have no problem putting my info on a lower but F2- F4 is currently how it has to be done. At least until the SBR bill with new language passes.
When it does, I'll F1 another lower.



Ric

[mtdawg169]

I have no problem putting my info on a lower but F2- F4 is currently how it has to be done. At least until the SBR bill with new language passes.
When it does, I'll F1 another lower.



Ruc
Sorry, I didn't realize that you were in WA!

[UWone77]

I have no problem putting my info on a lower but F2- F4 is currently how it has to be done. At least until the SBR bill with new language passes.
When it does, I'll F1 another lower.



Ruc

Several WA SOT's are no longer doing Form 2/Form 4's as they consider it manufacturing and still a no-go under how the law is interpreted.

I don't know what the long term ramifications are for those that are still doing it if any.

I've stuck with Form 4 Factory SBR's until the language is worked out in the next legislative session.

[fairlanericky]

Sorry, I didn't realize that you were in WA!

No worries. [:D]



Ric

[mustangfreek]

It passed on Tues 93-4 now its off to senate .

I read that last nite also, something like 96-4


That is fantastic news.

It is, now senate/inslee looks like it might happen before 41p, if so I'm selling a kidney or something...lol

[Sak007]

All the lowers I want are out of stock [bash]
I hope this goes through so I can sbr the matching lower to my lefty CMT set up that got denied the last go round .
I have all my forms filled out and saved on e-file so I can just run my card the second it's official.

[UWone77]

I read that last nite also, something like 96-4



It is, now senate/inslee looks like it might happen before 41p, if so I'm selling a kidney or something...lol

I doubt the changes will go into effect before 41P does. In your case, 41P may work better for you. You don't have to buy a trust, and you can file as an individual. $10 for 2 fingerprint cards, 4 passport photos from Costco at $5 is much cheaper for the Ginger.

[SINNER]

Times are certainly getting longer on all types.

A purchase I made in November took 4 weeks to be transferred to my dealer. One I purchased the first week of January just got completed this week.

[SwissyJim]

Battle Kitty lower submitted for SBR

Submitted eForm: 3/4/16

[UWone77]

Battle Kitty lower submitted for SBR

Submitted eForm: 3/4/16

You dirty dingo!!

[SwissyJim]

You dirty dingo!!
[BD]
Just need to decide on a stock... thinking UBR, to hold up to the 458Socom. Upper matches 'ok' to the lower so will be an easy fast build since upper is already running.
But I have probably 4 months to decide on the stock :( (or find someone to swap FDE and black parts for the 2-tone look)

[Jerry R]

Form-3 on an SBR submitted 2/16 - SOT said his current times on a Form-3 Transfer was running 37 to 41 days, then we Form-4 it. Four items in the pipe now, the factory SBR, two Form-1 SBR's and the 762-SD can.

Jim, one of the Form-1 SBR's is my Battle Kitty - just couldn't resist. They're both back from Ident Marking.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/NFA%20Pictures/IMG_1166%20Trust%20Engraving%20Size%201538_zpst5bn 1y7r.jpg~original

[Deadwing]

It is, now senate/inslee looks like it might happen before 41p, if so I'm selling a kidney or something...lol

Man, i hope you're right about it happening before the new atf regs take effect.

[SwissyJim]

Form-3 on an SBR submitted 2/16 - SOT said his current times on a Form-3 Transfer was running 37 to 41 days, then we Form-4 it. Four items in the pipe now, the factory SBR, two Form-1 SBR's and the 762-SD can.

Jim, one of the Form-1 SBR's is my Battle Kitty - just couldn't resist. They're both back from Ident Marking.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/NFA%20Pictures/IMG_1166%20Trust%20Engraving%20Size%201538_zpst5bn 1y7r.jpg~original

Nice! I need to contact Ident before I send mine in... want to see if the under trigger guard is still an option with the billet lowers. LOVE that option... but if not on the guard itself will suffice

[DutyUse]

I need to send in 3 of my lowers to be laser engraved for trust. Considering Ident or CMT

[Deadwing]

Nice! I need to contact Ident before I send mine in... want to see if the under trigger guard is still an option with the billet lowers. LOVE that option... but if not on the guard itself will suffice

Something tells me under the trigger guard will be a no-go with a billet lower, as i had to swing the trigger guard out of the way (or remove it completely) when i had my forged lowers engraved in that spot. I could be wrong though. They could probably do the bottom of the trigger guard no sweat, though. I've also seen the engraving done on the inside of the magwell bevel. That might be an option for you if unobtrusive is the goal.

[SwissyJim]

I figure under the trigger is iffy at best, but worth it to try anyways. They do state on the order form that on the bottom of the guard is an option on SOME billet lowers. But I had not thought of the magwell flare... I'll ask when they contact me back. Thanks for the idea!

[Deadwing]

I figure under the trigger is iffy at best, but worth it to try anyways. They do state on the order form that on the bottom of the guard is an option on SOME billet lowers. But I had not thought of the magwell flare... I'll ask when they contact me back. Thanks for the idea!

No problemo. I'm curious to hear what they'll be able to do.

[mustangfreek]

My envy is strong in this thread..you Guys and all the good toys...

[Jerry R]

but if not on the guard itself will suffice

I thought about that and should have asked, but since the guard is split, I figured it wouldn't work. Let us know what they can do. If they can do the trigger guard, I will [bash]

[SINNER]

Somewhere I have a .308 lower that was engraved on the bottom of an integral trigger guard. It stands out like a sore thumb. I never even built it up. Anywhere on the sides stands out much less.

[alamo5000]

I need to send in 3 of my lowers to be laser engraved for trust. Considering Ident or CMT

CMT is good. I would also say consider a guy here in Texas. He does STELLAR work.

http://www.nfainvestments.com/engraving.htm

Email him. It's really good. It's not laser engraved. He has a machine that actually engraves it. I sat there while he did mine. Mine looks just like the picture. Very professional work. It should be less than $100 including all UPS and everything.

http://www.nfainvestments.com/engraving2.jpg

Edit:

"All engraving is deep cut on a manual rotary engraving pantograph machine with a depth normally between .012" and .015" deep."

[alamo5000]

I thought about that and should have asked, but since the guard is split, I figured it wouldn't work. Let us know what they can do. If they can do the trigger guard, I will [bash]

The guy I worked with said as long as there is enough flat surface to work with they can do it.

I see absolutely no problems with yours assuming that having a split engraving would be ok (half on one side half on the other...) From the view of what you have I can't tell how wide each side of the trigger guard is. If you measure it I will see if the engraving I got will fit on one side or if it needs to be split as well.

Most likely it will need to be split up somehow or done elsewhere.

[UWone77]

Man, i hope you're right about it happening before the new atf regs take effect.

Well good news. It's on the governors desk for a signature. If he takes no action, it'll take affect 90 days after March 29th-ish

Law becomes effective June 8th, 41P kicks in July 13th, we've got about a 5 week window to efile!

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Talk about cutting it close lol


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[Deadwing]

Well good news. It's on the governors desk for a signature. If he takes no action, it'll take affect 90 days after March 29th-ish

Law becomes effective June 8th, 41P kicks in July 13th, we've got about a 5 week window to efile!

Fan-freakin'-tastic! Refresh my memory, the original 2014 law went into effect the same way, by sitting on Inslee's desk for 90 days, yes? Or did he actually sign it?

Here's the language of the bill, if anyone is interested: House Bill 2481 (http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2481.pdf)

[UWone77]

Fan-freakin'-tastic! Refresh my memory, the original 2014 law went into effect the same way, by sitting on Inslee's desk for 90 days, yes? Or did he actually sign it?

Here's the language of the bill, if anyone is interested: House Bill 2481 (http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2481.pdf)

Well... I guess Inslee veto'ed a bunch of bills because they couldn't figure out a budget. I'm sure this was one of them.

[Deadwing]

Well... I guess Inslee veto'ed a bunch of bills because they couldn't figure out a budget. I'm sure this was one of them.

What a fucking tool. Veto a bill that would cost the state exactly $0.

[Sak007]

What a fucking tool. Veto a bill that would cost the state exactly $0.

Also a bill that would add sales tax money at a high volume for a very very short window .

[fairlanericky]

Well... I guess Inslee veto'ed a bunch of bills because they couldn't figure out a budget. I'm sure this was one of them.

According to a post by Austin Jenkins on Twitter, SB6165 was not one of the bills vetoed, yet.



Ric

[Jerry R]

Form-3 on the Sig 716 CQB approved in 34 days ! Should arrive at local SOT on Thursday. Then we Form-4 it.

[fledge]

Submitted the SMOS GFY15 lower via form 1 on 2/20/16. Status changed to in process 3/22/16.

Background: ATF did not have this model in their system. I submitted a photo. Took a month for them to recognize it.

[mtdawg169]

Harvester 30
Form 4 Trust
Purchased: 10/6/15
Pending: 10/23
Approved: 2/25/16
Received: 3/19/16

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[mustangfreek]

According to a post by Austin Jenkins on Twitter, SB6165 was not one of the bills vetoed, yet.



Ric

Yet? Well it sux either way as 41p crap is coming up and if WA state or whatever would of had the writing or whatever in order I would of made the effort and had a few SBR's but doing the complete form 4 thing at once wasn't an option of mine..

Sux all around

Them

[alamo5000]

My SBR stamp came today. Approved.

Too bad I am in Africa but at least it's done.

I efiled and paid on 12/14 and it got approved and emailed to me 3/24... exactly 100 days from filing and paying until approval.

[UWone77]

Yet? Well it sux either way as 41p crap is coming up and if WA state or whatever would of had the writing or whatever in order I would of made the effort and had a few SBR's but doing the complete form 4 thing at once wasn't an option of mine..

Sux all around

Them

I think 41P is a little overblown. $10 for 2 sets of fingerprint cards, and $5 for 4 passport pics at Costco. Yeah it's an additional step, but at least now you have the option of filing as an individual without a CLEO sign off. I still plan to use my trust for estate planning purposes, but eliminating the CLEO sign off was huge IMHO, and almost, almost makes up for the cards and pics.

[din]

Finally called the NFA branch this morning, Form 4 for my Sandman-L was approved 03/10/2016.
Now I just need the damn stamp to show up.

[Deadwing]

My 6933 is playing hard to get. My Form 4 was sent back for correction. It's been mailed back to BATFE, so let's see how long it takes now. Six months and counting...

[din]

Looks like Form 1s are coming back around four months right now, so hopefully the SBR I filed 12/31 shows up quick so I can use it with the can. NFA is such a crock of doodoo (U-dub, I edited myself).

[fledge]

I think 41P is a little overblown.

Not overblown when you need to get everyone on the trust to head to the police station for each purchase. Sending my wife to get fingerprints is a higher burden than a $200 tax stamp.

I may create a second trust with just myself on it for future items and estate planning. Also working with my attorney about requirements to add someone to a trust after its full of items.

[Joelski]

I think 41P is a little overblown. $10 for 2 sets of fingerprint cards, and $5 for 4 passport pics at Costco. Yeah it's an additional step, but at least now you have the option of filing as an individual without a CLEO sign off. I still plan to use my trust for estate planning purposes, but eliminating the CLEO sign off was huge IMHO, and almost, almost makes up for the cards and pics.

Where can I source the cards the ATF wants submitted? I heard they were different from standard cards and blue, but the guy that told me couldn't have been any more obscure.

[Professor]

Where can I source the cards the ATF wants submitted? I heard they were different from standard cards and blue, but the guy that told me couldn't have been any more obscure.

You can order them online from the ATF. The last ones I received in about 10 days.

[SINNER]

I have to agree with UWone77 on this. I just do not see it as a big deal. Surely won't stop me for a second from making purchases.

[UWone77]

Not overblown when you need to get everyone on the trust to head to the police station for each purchase. Sending my wife to get fingerprints is a higher burden than a $200 tax stamp.

I may create a second trust with just myself on it for future items and estate planning. Also working with my attorney about requirements to add someone to a trust after its full of items.

No question, but the sky is not falling. It could have been a lot worse, like CLEO signoffs for Trusts as well. I'm trying to look at the few positives considering the unfriendly gun culture this administration brings.

[mtdawg169]

I think 41P is a little overblown. $10 for 2 sets of fingerprint cards, and $5 for 4 passport pics at Costco. Yeah it's an additional step, but at least now you have the option of filing as an individual without a CLEO sign off. I still plan to use my trust for estate planning purposes, but eliminating the CLEO sign off was huge IMHO, and almost, almost makes up for the cards and pics.
The only thing that is worrisome is that the ATF still has given no direction to dealers as to how this is all supposed to work logistically. Some legal interpretations indicate that depending on how the Trust is written, co-trustees may not have to go through the fingerprint process, but ATF could easily interpret it differently. There's been no clarification on the format for fingerprints, who has to do the prints, whether or not they are good for 2 years or if they have to be done everytime, etc. My SOT has said that the folks in NFA branch have no clue how the whole thing will be enforced or how it will work logistically. I fully expect the next 12 months to be a cluster****, with a lot of declined applications. Denials have already been on the uptick for other reasons.

[alamo5000]

Looks like Form 1s are coming back around four months right now

My first efile form 1 just came back in 3 months. It was actually 3 months and a week but considering there were several major holidays in there it was about 3 months.

[gatordev]

The only thing that is worrisome is that the ATF still has given no direction to dealers as to how this is all supposed to work logistically. Some legal interpretations indicate that depending on how the Trust is written, co-trustees may not have to go through the fingerprint process, but ATF could easily interpret it differently. There's been no clarification on the format for fingerprints, who has to do the prints, whether or not they are good for 2 years or if they have to be done everytime, etc. My SOT has said that the folks in NFA branch have no clue how the whole thing will be enforced or how it will work logistically. I fully expect the next 12 months to be a cluster****, with a lot of declined applications. Denials have already been on the uptick for other reasons.

From both The American Suppressor Association and Silencer Shop, it seems that the ATF is still working out the details. The good news is that it seems like they're doing it with industry input and trying to make the directive actually executable.

Also, point of order... It's 41F now, not 41P.

What I'm not really clear on is how does the ATF know who is on your trust? My trustees are listed in a separate, addendum to the Trust, so if the addendum isn't included... Or a what if I add or remove people just due to various situations (death, marriage, etc)? How do they know someone has been added and that the Trust is complete? My understanding is that the Trust is destroyed each time a Form is approved, or even if it isn't, Trusts change, so comparing it to a previous one isn't a solid solution.

[alamo5000]

What I'm not really clear on is how does the ATF know who is on your trust? My trustees are listed in a separate, addendum to the Trust, so if the addendum isn't included... Or a what if I add or remove people just due to various situations (death, marriage, etc)? How do they know someone has been added and that the Trust is complete? My understanding is that the Trust is destroyed each time a Form is approved, or even if it isn't, Trusts change, so comparing it to a previous one isn't a solid solution.

BINGO! Nailed it.

There are all kinds of ways around the situation. 41F fixes nothing. Not that there was a problem to start with. But in the eyes of the anti gun tear jerker crowd that thinks the world will die if your rifle is 20 DB quieter they are in their own minds trying to do 'something'....but the problem is that 'something isn't accomplishing much.

[din]

My first efile form 1 just came back in 3 months. It was actually 3 months and a week but considering there were several major holidays in there it was about 3 months.

You suck! It's not all bad, the BAD pins and safety selector I need to finish the lower are out of stock everywhere.

[SwissyJim]

SilencerCo Omega
Form sent 10/15/15
Check cashed (after resumbitted due to blocked credit card) 11/16/15
Stamp in (dealers) hand 3/28/16

w00t w00t!!!! picking up Wednesday if the stars align

[Sak007]

Thompson Machine Operative
Form sent 8/29/15
Approved 2/17/16
I was at dealer for friends 2 cans and mine came in the mail while i was in shop on 3/10/16 nice surprise

Silencerco Omega
Form sent 11/09/15
Approved ?

Dead Air Sandman TI
Form sent 11/09/15
Approved ?

11.5 SBR Ak
Form sent 11/09/15
Approved ?

[UWone77]

Thompson Machine Operative
Form sent 8/29/15
Approved 2/17/16
I was at dealer for friends 2 cans and mine came in the mail while i was in shop on 3/10/16 nice surprise

Silencerco Omega
Form sent 11/09/15
Approved ?

Dead Air Sandman TI
Form sent 11/09/15
Approved ?

11.5 SBR Ak
Form sent 11/09/15
Approved ?

Nice work! Someone is loading up!

[UWone77]

SilencerCo Omega
Form sent 10/15/15
Check cashed (after resumbitted due to blocked credit card) 11/16/15
Stamp in (dealers) hand 3/28/16

w00t w00t!!!! picking up Wednesday if the stars align

I submitted a couple less than a month later than you did. Hopefully April will be a good month!

[Sak007]

Nice work! Someone is loading up!

I use gun grab scares as an excuse to ease my conscious about my shameful late night purchasing habits ......
except for the fleshlite/fleshlites that was a well thought out informed purchase .
I'ts so my cans don't get cold in the safe [BD]yes that's why

[cjd3]

You suck! It's not all bad, the BAD pins and safety selector I need to finish the lower are out of stock everywhere.

BAD pins are in stock at Rainier.

[SwissyJim]

I submitted a couple less than a month later than you did. Hopefully April will be a good month!
don't get too excited... that was a glitch, I'm sure. I have a Lane458 can I bought a full month prior I am still waiting on.

[Jerry R]

Congrats Jim - great news! Let us know who the examiner was. According to NFATracker (http://www.nfatracker.com/reports.aspx) there is a significant difference in approval time among the various examiners. I must have one of the slow ones [bash]

[din]

BAD pins are in stock at Rainier.

Waiting for someone to get the black Ti pins back in stock. :0(

[Deadwing]

don't get too excited... that was a glitch, I'm sure. I have a Lane458 can I bought a full month prior I am still waiting on.

There is no method whatsoever to BATFE's madness.

[Deadwing]

You suck! It's not all bad, the BAD pins and safety selector I need to finish the lower are out of stock everywhere.

ROG Tactical has BAD pins in stock as well. They've also got some selectors in stock. Fee shipping if you spend more than $50.

[din]

All right! Just got my approval e-mail! Off to to the engraver we go...

[fledge]

Submitted eForm 1 - Jan 4

Disapproved (wrong model number) - March 30

Resubmit with letter to Ted - March 31, 8:30a

Approved - March 31, 9:30p.

Timetable would have been just shy of 3 months.

But the resubmit was 13 hours.

[fairlanericky]

Fan-freakin'-tastic! Refresh my memory, the original 2014 law went into effect the same way, by sitting on Inslee's desk for 90 days, yes? Or did he actually sign it?

Here's the language of the bill, if anyone is interested: House Bill 2481 (http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2015-16/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/2481.pdf)

Gov. Inslee signed the SBR bill today!!! [wow] Pic of the signed bill in the link provided.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=waguns.org&em=1



Ric

[GriffonSec]

Submitted eForm 1 - Jan 4

Disapproved (wrong model number) - March 30

Resubmit with letter to Ted - March 31, 8:30a

Approved - March 31, 9:30p.

Timetable would have been just shy of 3 months.

But the resubmit was 13 hours.

This gives me a bit of hope. My check cashed on Jan 4 for Form 4 Trust Thompson Machine Poseidon. Would love to see a stamp here in a week or two. Checked today it's still Pending.

Have a Griffon Checkmate QD submitted 3/3/16 from Silencer Shop, just transferred to local dealer.

[Deadwing]

Gov. Inslee signed the SBR bill today!!! [wow] Pic of the signed bill in the link provided.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=waguns.org&em=1



Ric

No shit?!?! I hope this isn't some April Fool's Day gag...

[bzdog]

Goes into effect June 9.


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[Deadwing]

This gives me a bit of hope. My check cashed on Jan 4 for Form 4 Trust Thompson Machine Poseidon. Would love to see a stamp here in a week or two. Checked today it's still Pending.

Have a Griffon Checkmate QD submitted 3/3/16 from Silencer Shop, just transferred to local dealer.

When it comes to the ATF, i've given up hope. They've been sitting on my $200 for five months, no stamp yet. Granted, it was returned for correction, but it was sent back more than two weeks ago. My patience is running low. But even at five months, it's still better than the 12+ months it took a few years ago. Hurry up and wait, i reckon.

[Deadwing]

Goes into effect June 9.


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So, the question now is when to submit a few more From 1s: On or after 9 June, or sometime sooner with the expectation that BATFE won't get around to reviewing them until after the law takes effect.

[UWone77]

So, the question now is when to submit a few more From 1s: On or after 9 June, or sometime sooner with the expectation that BATFE won't get around to reviewing them until after the law takes effect.

I'm waiting till June. I'm not in a rush, and don't want anything kicked back after 41F takes effect.

[Deadwing]

I'm waiting till June. I'm not in a rush, and don't want anything kicked back after 41F takes effect.

That's the direction I'm leaning as well. One less thing to worry about.

[Jerry R]

I received both my Form-1 SBR approvals (with "Draft" stamps) yesterday. Still have a Form-4 SBR and suppressor outstanding. Can has been in jail five months, SBR just went in last week.

[Joelski]

I'm waiting till June. I'm not in a rush, and don't want anything kicked back after 41F takes effect.

I thought the rules were subject to what's in place at the time the form is submitted? Did that change?

[SwissyJim]

Congrats Jim - great news! Let us know who the examiner was. According to NFATracker (http://www.nfatracker.com/reports.aspx) there is a significant difference in approval time among the various examiners. I must have one of the slow ones [bash]

picked up today and I THINK it was E. Felter ... hard to read, but that's the closest thing on NFAtracker I can find. Signature is worse than mine, and the stamp is not much better.

[Deadwing]

I thought the rules were subject to what's in place at the time the form is submitted? Did that change?

I do believe you're correct.

[mustangfreek]

I'm waiting till June. I'm not in a rush, and don't want anything kicked back after 41F takes effect.

Im hoping to be filing my first form 1 -SBR ....woo hoo....and gonna wait till mid june'ish , don't want to play the do over- refund game..

[bzdog]

I don't see any point in submitting before the 9th. ATF knows the current law is whack and is denying them right away.

The folks who got the amendment are going to get the ATF an official notification of the law change.

As a result, it should be fine to submit on the 9th or 10th. I'll probably do mine on the 10th just to be safe.

-john

[jonpac07]

so do you guys recommend waiting until June?

[UWone77]

so do you guys recommend waiting until June?

You don't live in WA State, so no. [:)]

[bzdog]

Yah, sorry, we're musing about a Washington state SBR law issue. The original law allowed SBRs, but accidentally didn't allow you to build one. The law has been fixed and goes into effect June 9, so a lot of us are chomping at the bit to form 1 some lowers.

-john


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[Stone]

Efiled, form 1- 1/17/16... Still waiting...

[fledge]

I received both my Form-1 SBR approvals (with "Draft" stamps) yesterday. Still have a Form-4 SBR and suppressor outstanding. Can has been in jail five months, SBR just went in last week.

Was that a paper or efile for the form 1? I had an email form 1 come back with "draft" stamp and I emailed the ATF if that was official. They updated me with a new one without "draft" stamp.

[fledge]

Submitted efile form 1 on Jan 5.

Approved April 9.

This took about 10 days longer than the one I filed on Jan 4.

[Jerry R]

Was that a paper or efile for the form 1? I had an email form 1 come back with "draft" stamp and I emailed the ATF if that was official. They updated me with a new one without "draft" stamp.

Did you receive a hard copy in the mail?

Mine were both e-Filed. I was assuming a hard copy would come via snail-mail.

And thanks for the follow up info. I sent China Watkins an email asking about the draft copies.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Did you receive a hard copy in the mail?

Mine were both e-Filed. I was assuming a hard copy would come via snail-mail.

And thanks for the follow up info. I sent China Watkins an email asking about the draft copies.

Jerry if you E-filed the only copy you get is the one you print out that was emailed. (assuming you got an approval email)

You only get a true hard copy of you filed via snail-mail.

[fledge]

When mine came it was my first efile. I watched the mailbox eagerly for a MONTH before sending a note. Then I learned nothing comes in the mail for an e-file approval.

[Jerry R]

Thanks Guys - first e-Files. [BD] Just old and confused ...

[din]

Thanks Guys - first e-Files. [BD] Just old and confused ...

Hello, old has nothing to do with it. Making people confused is the ATF's bread and butter.

[Farva]

I need to call the ATF and check the status on my can.

Mailed everything in back in November. Should be getting close now... then again it could already be approved but I haven't heard from my dealer. My SBR stamp got lost in the mail for a couple months, so maybe that happened again!

[Jerry R]

I called a couple of weeks ago on a can I filed for in October. Still pending ...

[Deadwing]

I've got an SBR on a Form 4 that was re-filed in November and a can that was filed in February. At this rate, the can will make a nice Christmas present to myself.

[Slippers]

eForm 1 SBR for my MCX submitted 1/4/2016 and approved 4/12/2016.

[Farva]

Mini 4 came in yesterday! Picked it up today. Right after I posted in here too!

Paper trust filed 11/5/15
Approved 3/19/16
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[alamo5000]

Mini 4 came in yesterday! Picked it up today. Right after I posted in here too!

Paper trust filed 11/5/15
Approved 3/19/16
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Congrats man!

[Sak007]

Got a call yesterday that my Omega , Sandman TI & Sbr stamps just came in .

[din]

Stamp for my Sandman-L showed up today, picked her up on the way in to work. I'll post pics this weekend.

[Deadwing]

Mini 4 came in yesterday! Picked it up today. Right after I posted in here too!

Paper trust filed 11/5/15
Approved 3/19/16
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Nice, Farva!

[LHTwist]

eForm 1 SBR for my MCX submitted 1/4/2016 and approved 4/12/2016.
Encouraging! I filed two paper trust F1's on Jan 4th. BATF cashed both checks on the 12th and had one call back in Feb to clarify the caliber on SBR but not a peep since.

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[UWone77]

Got a call that one of my Form 4's came in. Not sure which though, and I won't be able to make it down till the end of the month.

#firstworldproblems

[Deadwing]

Finally picked up my Colt 6933!

- Type: Trust
- Paper Form 4
- Originally submitted: 09/25/15
- Returned Without Action (not in NFA registry) and re-submitted: 11/12/2015
- Returned for correction and re-re-submitted: 03/24/16
- Approved!: 04/11/16
- Stamps at dealer: 04/18/16

What a roller coaster...

But wait! There's more!

I (or rather my dealer) submitted a Form 4 on a Sig MPX SBR on 15 April. Let the wait begin yet again!

[schambers]

Form 1 submitted 20 April 2016 for SBR.

Now all my AR's will be SBR approved (all three of them).

[UWone77]

Paper Form 4

Item: Cross Machine Tool PDW SBR
Form Type: Form 4 Trust
Sent: 12-01-15
Check Cashed: 12-10-15
Submitted/In Process:
Approved: 04-13-16
Examiner: Can't make out the signature.

[gatordev]

Really? 4 months? That's encouraging.

[UWone77]

Really? 4 months? That's encouraging.

No, I lied. [BD]

But I did submit before the 41F Decision.

[SwissyJim]

well, F&*K.

"It appears your form for the Scorpion 458 has been lost in transit. It was approved some time ago, but I never received it. They require us to wait 30 days and then send a written request for another copy of the form. I have done this already, so a new form should be on its way shortly. Thanks for your patience with all this nonsense."


GGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! No idea if it's ATF or USPS but my money is on ATF screwing up. Bastards!!

[Farva]

well, F&*K.

"It appears your form for the Scorpion 458 has been lost in transit. It was approved some time ago, but I never received it. They require us to wait 30 days and then send a written request for another copy of the form. I have done this already, so a new form should be on its way shortly. Thanks for your patience with all this nonsense."


GGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! No idea if it's ATF or USPS but my money is on ATF screwing up. Bastards!!

Wouldn't be so sure. My first SBR stamp was lost for about a month and got returned to the ATF. They called me and said they had it... Again and mailed to back to me... Again. By the time I got the original stamp the envelope had been through hell and back. I'd blame the USPS but with two government entities involved it's anyone's guess.

[SwissyJim]

Wouldn't be so sure. My first SBR stamp was lost for about a month and got returned to the ATF. They called me and said they had it... Again and mailed to back to me... Again. By the time I got the original stamp the envelope had been through hell and back. I'd blame the USPS but with two government entities involved it's anyone's guess.
Maybe so... but here's a whole new twist. Got a 2nd email from my dealer... he got the stamp in the mail. It was postmarked the day before he submitted the fax asking for a dupe. So it was approved over 30 days ago, but not postmarked for over a month. Sitting in ATF outgoing? Lost in the Post Office for a month? Who cares... I pick it up on Thursday!

[gatordev]

Maybe so... but here's a whole new twist. Got a 2nd email from my dealer... he got the stamp in the mail. It was postmarked the day before he submitted the fax asking for a dupe. So it was approved over 30 days ago, but not postmarked for over a month. Sitting in ATF outgoing? Lost in the Post Office for a month? Who cares... I pick it up on Thursday!

It seems that stamps sit longer in the out basket than they used to. My last F4 was like that. It took a month for it to go from approval status to being post-marked. I need to call the ATF this week, as I have a F4 that should be coming up on its incubation period. It would be nice to know if it's approved, even if it doesn't get mailed for a while.

[Jerry R]

but not postmarked for over a month.

Not sure how it is now, but (long ago in a galaxy far away) most agencies had their own meters and postmarked their outgoing mail themselves. They (BATFE) may be sitting on them, or just batching them up for mailing. With their current workload, they should have enough mail to do it daily. I can't imagine why they would just hold the approved forms for a month (warning --- conspiracy theory ahead) unless directed to by someone up the food chain.

[Jerry R]

Sitting in ATF outgoing?

I just called the Bureau - my 762-SD was approved April 12th. Dealer has not seen the stamp.

[The FNG]

Since we're on the topic of stamps, is it true when you do a form 1 online that you can just print your stamp? My buddy was telling me they don't mail it if you do eforms.


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[gatordev]

Since we're on the topic of stamps, is it true when you do a form 1 online that you can just print your stamp? My buddy was telling me they don't mail it if you do eforms.


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That is correct. You get emailed your approved F1 with a "stamp" watermarked in a pdf document.

[The FNG]

That is correct. You get emailed your approved F1 with a "stamp" watermarked in a pdf document.

Thanks!

[SINNER]

Well one thing is certain, they have streamlined the credit card charges. 3 forms mailed on Friday, received on Monday and card charged on Wednesday. The first time I used the CC payment I sent in two forms and 2 charges were made to the card. This time they did a single transaction for the total amount.

[SwissyJim]

Well one thing is certain, they have streamlined the credit card charges. 3 forms mailed on Friday, received on Monday and card charged on Wednesday. The first time I used the CC payment I sent in two forms and 2 charges were made to the card. This time they did a single transaction for the total amount.

That's funny as I tried to use my CC for a Form4 and it was returned to the dealer saying it was not valid. The same exact card I used on all three eForm form1's and it worked everytime. I checked with the bank and they did not deny the charge and it was written down correctly on my form. Only thing I can think of i someone did not put in the correct numbers into the machine and never bothered to check or try again. On a happy note, having to resubmit it after the error may have helped me get it approved sooner as it was done in 4 months.

Off to pick up my 458Socom can today!!

[gatordev]

... as it was done in 4 months.

Off to pick up my 458Socom can today!!

Jerk.

Okay, so now you're motivating me to give them a call tomorrow at work.

[SwissyJim]

Jerk.

Okay, so now you're motivating me to give them a call tomorrow at work.

[:D] Sorry... but certainly follow up

Just got my 458can... was approved on 3/11 but postmarked on 5/03. Almost 2 damn months between!!
insane.

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[UWone77]

Jim, when did you submit?

[SwissyJim]

Jim, when did you submit?

The Lane 458Scorpion was submitted on 9/28/15, approved 3/11/16 but not received until today 5/12/16
The SilCo Omega was submitted 10/13, Approved 3/16/16 and received 3/28/16 (guess it was 5 months)

[GriffonSec]

Thompson Machine Poseidon .45:
Form 4 trust filed 1/4/16
Approved 5/11/16

Now if the dealer I went through stays on the ball....they had it almost 2 months before I found out the Form 3 had cleared to them by calling. "Oh, we didn't call you? Gee...I coulda swore we did..."

Griffon Checkmate QD:
Form 4 Trust filed 3/3/16
Form 3 transferred from Silencer Shop to LGS 3/31/16
Still pending.

Dealing with Silencer Shop is lightyears beyond good stuff. I should have gotten the TM Poseidon through them too...

[tappedandtagged]

Efiled Form 1- Trust- for Rem 870 SBS
Submitted 1/29/16
Approved 5/12/16

[Stickman]

Efiled Form 1- Trust- for Rem 870 SBS
Submitted 1/29/16
Approved 5/12/16

Now there's something I want to see pictures of.

[LHTwist]

Paper Form 1 (x2) - Trust mailed 1/04/2016
SBR & Suppressor: used Coyote Rifle Works example
Check cleared on 1/12/2016
Rejected on 5/02/2016 (zero tolerance!)
Corrected & returned on 5/13/2016

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[tappedandtagged]

Now there's something I want to see pictures of.

My gunsmith went in for knee surgery the day after! I'm waiting for him to recover so I can get the barrel cut and choked. But, I'll tell you this, I'm going for an old worn look. Starting with a 1970's wingmaster with a 12.5" lop cut down wood stock. The barrel will be cut at 12.5" as well. The bluing on the receiver is badly worn.

I may or may not reblue or cerakote it and Magpul it out. But, in all likelihood, I'm gonna leave it as is, worn and pretty.

[Joelski]

My gunsmith went in for knee surgery the day after! I'm waiting for him to recover so I can get the barrel cut and choked. But, I'll tell you this, I'm going for an old worn look. Starting with a 1970's wingmaster with a 12.5" lop cut down wood stock. The barrel will be cut at 12.5" as well. The bluing on the receiver is badly worn.

I may or may not reblue or cerakote it and Magpul it out. But, in all likelihood, I'm gonna leave it as is, worn and pretty.

Sounds sweet!

[Ordnance]

My gunsmith went in for knee surgery the day after! I'm waiting for him to recover so I can get the barrel cut and choked. But, I'll tell you this, I'm going for an old worn look. Starting with a 1970's wingmaster with a 12.5" lop cut down wood stock. The barrel will be cut at 12.5" as well. The bluing on the receiver is badly worn.

I may or may not reblue or cerakote it and Magpul it out. But, in all likelihood, I'm gonna leave it as is, worn and pretty.

Good God yes. Leave it old school worn...