Transfer Times

[tappedandtagged]

Here is it. The finish is worn more than the photo shows. Its almost perfect.

1165

[UWone77]

Here is it. The finish is worn more than the photo shows. Its almost perfect.

1165

Love this.

[Battle Cock]

Here is it. The finish is worn more than the photo shows. Its almost perfect.

1165

Good lord that's gorgeous.

[Aragorn]

Here is it. The finish is worn more than the photo shows. Its almost perfect.

1165

Ha! That's a sweet little gun.

[Ordnance]

Here is it. The finish is worn more than the photo shows. Its almost perfect.

1165

I... I... I love you... lol

[GriffonSec]

Thompson Machine Poseidon .45:
Form 4 trust filed 1/4/16
Approved 5/11/16

Now if the dealer I went through stays on the ball....they had it almost 2 months before I found out the Form 3 had cleared to them by calling. "Oh, we didn't call you? Gee...I coulda swore we did..."

Griffon Checkmate QD:
Form 4 Trust filed 3/3/16
Form 3 transferred from Silencer Shop to LGS 3/31/16
Still pending.

Dealing with Silencer Shop is lightyears beyond good stuff. I should have gotten the TM Poseidon through them too...

Thompson Machine Stamp at dealer 5/20/16!

Pics later....

[Jerry R]

AAC 762-SD

Purchased from Silencer Shop 7/17/2015
Form-3 to local SOT - arrived 9/28/2015
Form-4 filed 9/29/2015
Form-4 Arrived BATFE 10/2/2015
Check cashed 10/6/2015
Pending 10/13/2015
Approved 4/12/2016
Stamp arrived at local SOT 5/24/2015 --- envelop postmarked 5/20/2016 [crazy]
Examiner used a signature stamp. First name Yvette - last name hard to read, appears to be Babier.

[Joelski]

AAC 762-SD

Purchased from Silencer Shop 7/17/2015
Form-3 to local SOT - arrived 9/28/2015
Form-4 filed 9/29/2015
Form-4 Arrived BATFE 10/2/2015
Check cashed 10/6/2015
Pending 10/13/2015
Approved 4/12/2016
Stamp arrived at local SOT 5/24/2015 --- envelop postmarked 5/20/2016 [crazy]
Examiner used a signature stamp. First name Yvette - last name hard to read, appears to be Babier.

Why so insanely long for that one, Jerry? Are you flagged or something? I was considering using a "Powered by" shop, but it doesn't appear the service is worth that kind of wait. They should sell insurance policies to boot!

[GriffonSec]

You know, I wonder if it's a rookie. Don't forget, it said approved, but at 9.1", not 9.2". Maybe that was the hiccup?

By the way, my examiner wasn't Yvette.....it's actually illegible, but starts with an "M".

[Jerry R]

Why so insanely long for that one, Jerry? Are you flagged or something?

Not sure. Actually approved rather quickly once it was submitted the second time. SOT forgot to sign the first attempt - lost six weeks. NFA Tracking does not show Yvette as an examiner, I think she may be new. If anyone else has her for an examiner, please chime in. But it appears to have sat in her outbox for a few weeks before going to the mail room. SOT submitted the paperwork with "Overall Length" at 9.2". She approved it with a condition - "Overall Length" at 9.1". I have no idea why there would be a difference between her opinion and the SOT's opinion. The AAC Web site shows it at 9.0" [crazy]

I don't think I am flagged, this was NFA number nine; ten is the 308 SBR. Maybe they think I have too many ... and I had an FFL for 27 years. Anyway, can in hand. That's all that matters.

[Aragorn]

^^^.308 SBR? That'll be ROCKIN!

I still need to join team NFA.

[cjd3]

And it begins again. I told myself, if the Revolution 45 is in stock before July 7th, I'll jump. If not, it was never meant to be.
Jumped on the Griffin Armament Revolution 45 from the Silencer Shop 6/3/2016

Tick Tock

[Slippers]

Silencerco Specwar 556K and Octane 9 purchased from Tar Heel State Firearms Dec 30. Forms mailed Dec 31, stamps received at dealer May 28.

[gatordev]

Just submitted what will probably be my last F1. It only took 10 attempts and I had to go from IE over to Safari. I always enjoy the "Error, unable to submit NULL blah....." followed by "Submitted successfully."

[UWone77]

Just submitted what will probably be my last F1. It only took 10 attempts and I had to go from IE over to Safari. I always enjoy the "Error, unable to submit NULL blah....." followed by "Submitted successfully."

Not planning on anymore after 41F?

I'm going to sneak in 6 more F1's before the deadline.

.. depending on if CMT gives me a serial for one of those new 9mm sets.

[SINNER]

Not planning on anymore after 41F?

I'm going to sneak in 6 more F1's before the deadline.

.. depending on if CMT gives me a serial for one of those new 9mm sets.

When you are charming them out of a ser# see if he will send me one. LOL

[Aberration79]

I am so not worried about 41F. I think it will make it far easier for them to process electronically not getting tied up waiting for CLEO signature to show up. And I think more people will buy not needing the CLEO signature. Fingerprints and photo now for Trusts? I'm OK with that. Gov already has the same info for my CHL, Global Entry, Passport that they want for the NFA. What would be nice is not having to go through it all over again once ONE of these agencies has done it.

[gatordev]

Not planning on anymore after 41F?


Unless something really cool comes along, I just don't see the need. I have plenty of AR-15 SBRs, so about the only two other types I might be interested in are either a AR-9 or some sort of a HK UMP contraption. I already have a MP-5, so it's hard to make an argument for the AR-9. And I fear the UMP train has sailed. I really should have grabbed one of them when they were on a fire sale when I was out in CA. Oh well.

Wait...I lied. I do have an AK I could SBR. Damn, I'm glad you said something. This requires research.

[fledge]

Want the CMT 9mm. They need to get that done before 41F. Otherwise, I'll make a pistol of it. Likely no more NFA items for me after July unless/until there's a major improvement in technology.

I ordered a Sandman at the end of January. Still waiting on form 3 to clear for my dealer.

[alamo5000]

Good news.

It has been about 6 months since I bought my Revolution 9 so I called the ATF and was informed that my stamp was approved today (June 7)

It should be getting mailed to the dealer etc etc. Hopefully it goes smoothly.

Edit:
Check cashed 12/22/15
Approval Date: 6/7/16

5 months and 16 days total time (from check cashing until approval date)

[UWone77]

Good news.

It has been about 6 months since I bought my Revolution 9 so I called the ATF and was informed that my stamp was approved today (June 7)

It should be getting mailed to the dealer etc etc. Hopefully it goes smoothly.

When did you file? Jan?

Still waiting on a stamp from Dec.

[alamo5000]

When did you file? Jan?

Still waiting on a stamp from Dec.

I went back and looked and they cashed my check 12/22/15

I edited my above comment to reflect the exact times...

Check cashed 12/22/15
Approval Date: 6/7/16

5 months and 16 days total time (from check cashing until approval date)

[SINNER]

I have one that was filed Dec. 3rd that I am waiting on. It has slowed to a crawl on processing times. I think I have a total of 11 items pending now. Sucks. Lol

[UWone77]

I have one that was filed Dec. 3rd that I am waiting on. It has slowed to a crawl on processing times. I think I have a total of 11 items pending now. Sucks. Lol

Anything exciting in that 11 item mix?

[mustangfreek]

I have one that was filed Dec. 3rd that I am waiting on. It has slowed to a crawl on processing times. I think I have a total of 11 items pending now. Sucks. Lol

Jesus...11 pending...lol

I want just a couple...
#gingerneeds$#orwinlotto#orgofundmeaccountforthewe vopoor....lol

[SINNER]

Anything exciting in that 11 item mix?

No full auto joy. Lol

5.56 and 7.62 Spec War's
.338 Harvester big bore
Salvo
Dead Air Mask
AAC Ti-rant I got a steal on slightly used.

And a few SBS and 3 SBR's so nothing really exciting. Looking forward to the Salvo more than any others honestly.

[Joelski]

I say we do a gofundme for NFA stuff! Hell, the #takers can set up accounts to pay utility bills when they overdo the scratch-off lottery, why can't we have one to pay for #necessarytoys?

[UWone77]

No full auto joy. Lol

5.56 and 7.62 Spec War's
.338 Harvester big bore
Salvo
Dead Air Mask
AAC Ti-rant I got a steal on slightly used.

And a few SBS and 3 SBR's so nothing really exciting. Looking forward to the Salvo more than any others honestly.

I definitely need a Harvester at some point. I feel your pain though.

I think I have 6 or 7 Pending Form 4's and 4 or 5 Form 3's. At least it'll be a fun 2017!

[mlosi762]

Griffin Armament Alpha

Form 4 w/Trust submitted on 5/2/16
Check cashed 5/9/16

So, one month down... Will update once I hear about the approval.

[cjd3]

And it begins again. I told myself, if the Revolution 45 is in stock before July 7th, I'll jump. If not, it was never meant to be.
Jumped on the Griffin Armament Revolution 45 from the Silencer Shop 6/3/2016

Tick Tock
Well it may not have meant to be. Looks like I've been back ordered. May not beat the 41F deadline after all. So If the folks at Griffin can crank out a few fast Revo 45 and ship them to the Silencer Shop, it would be much appreciated.

[Sak007]

3 form1 sbr's submitted 6/9/16

[SINNER]

Jesus...11 pending...lol

I want just a couple...
#gingerneeds$#orwinlotto#orgofundmeaccountforthewe vopoor....lol

Damn NFA times have my stuff stacking up. LOL


I definitely need a Harvester at some point. I feel your pain though.

I think I have 6 or 7 Pending Form 4's and 4 or 5 Form 3's. At least it'll be a fun 2017!

I bought that Harvester in Dec. thinking I'd have plenty of time for a hunting trip in September of this year and in a blink that trip is quickly approaching. Having flashbacks to the 15 months I waited once.

Prob file another 5 SBR's too with the whole dumb ass Maryland barrel restrictions.

I'll be the guy panhandling outside the Expo. LOL

[eldogg]

ordered Griffin Armament M4SDK thru the silencer shop 06-07-16 on the trust. I bet it will take 10 months now.

[fledge]

Ordered a Sandman on 1/26. Today I was notified that the form 3 cleared.

[mustangfreek]

[QUOTE=SINNER;133628]Damn NFA times have my stuff stacking up. LOL

Lol..that's a good list ..


Good news for Washington residents form 1's are now a go...but with the 41 crap it doesn't leave much time if you have a trust..

I missed the boat and now would have to do the individual way as can't justify a trust with such little time to do stuff and the ginger money tree isn't growing..lol

The woman/kids said they would dish out the 200 for a SBR stamp for Father's Day ,but not sure what to do as you guys all talk like its lays potato chips, you can't have just one..and it will only leave me wanting more.

[Deadwing]

Good news for Washington residents form 1's are now a go...but with the 41 crap it doesn't leave much time if you have a trust..

I missed the boat and now would have to do the individual way as can't justify a trust with such little time to do stuff and the ginger money tree isn't growing..lol

The woman/kids said they would dish out the 200 for a SBR but not sure what to do as you guys all talk like its lays potato chips, you can't have just one..and it will only leave me wanting more.

One is better than none! I'd deffo go with a quality forged lower if you're only going to have one (for now). It doesn't have to be pretty, just in spec. I built my first SBR using a blem Aero Precision lower and just swapped out uppers.

[UWone77]

[QUOTE=SINNER;133628]Damn NFA times have my stuff stacking up. LOL

Lol..that's a good list ..


Good news for Washington residents form 1's are now a go...but with the 41 crap it doesn't leave much time if you have a trust..

I missed the boat and now would have to do the individual way as can't justify a trust with such little time to do stuff and the ginger money tree isn't growing..lol

The woman/kids said they would dish out the 200 for a SBR stamp for Father's Day ,but not sure what to do as you guys all talk like its lays potato chips, you can't have just one..and it will only leave me wanting more.

The Trust is the only way to go.

When you pass on, your kids will have to file Form 4's again to transfer your NFA stuff to them, with a Trust they can simply take possession.

[mustangfreek]

Well then no trust means no NFA stuff for me then, since we only got like less then a month to do it..

Fricking stupid.....

[Sak007]

Can a trust be signed over to me if the original trustee does something dumb and is no longer able to posses a firearm ?

[DeviantLogic]

Can a trust be signed over to me if the original trustee does something dumb and is no longer able to posses a firearm ?

No lawyer here, but yes. Might depend on the language of each trust...mine's pretty generic and has provisions for the trust to be signed over to those that are appointed. If you don't have one already, it's probably a good idea to have a lawyer familiar with NFA write up a trust instead of doing a generic trust. Kind of wish I had gone that route, but didn't know better at the time.

[Slippers]

Well then no trust means no NFA stuff for me then, since we only got like less then a month to do it..

Fricking stupid.....

You can get a trust today, have it notarized, then purchase a can or submit an eform 1 for an sbr all the way till mid July with no worry about 41f changes. Just buy the can from an in-state dealer so there's no form 3.

[gatordev]

The Trust is the only way to go.

When you pass on, your kids will have to file Form 4's again to transfer your NFA stuff to them, with a Trust they can simply take possession.

This isn't completely true. If your kids (or whomever) is named in your will, a Form 5 can be submitted to the ATF in order to legally transfer, tax-free.


The firearms may be transferred on a tax
-
exempt basis to a lawful heir. The executor would
apply on ATF Form 5, Application for Tax Exempt Transfer and Registration of a Firearm, for a
tax
-
exempt tran
sfer to a lawful heir. A lawful heir is anyone named in the decedent’s will or, in
the absence of a will, anyone entitled to inherit under the laws of the State in which the decedent
last resided. NFA firearms may be transferred directly interstate to a be
neficiary of the estate.
When a firearm is being transferred to an individual heir, his or her fingerprints on FBI Forms
FD
-
258 must accompany the transfer application. However, if any Federal, State or local law
prohibits the heir from receiving or posses
sing the firearm, ATF will not approve the application

Old document, but the basic idea is still in place: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/transfers-national-firearms-act-firearms-decedents-estates/download

[mustangfreek]

You can get a trust today, have it notarized, then purchase a can or submit an eform 1 for an sbr all the way till mid July with no worry about 41f changes. Just buy the can from an in-state dealer so there's no form 3.

I get it, but if my crappy attitude hasn't shown itself lately..Been unemployed for a while get no other income, health crap is running me around and there again yesterday and more doc appointments/pain specialist all while trying to help out where I can, mortgage,2kids, one about driving ( gotta get him a car) and trying to keep up and play along with my hobby here, but truthfully half my collection in the last year has been sold along with my mustangs...Sad ginger story...lol..

Anyways...guess it wasn't meant to be..although bought a couple guns just for hosts and now looking at selling those..

Carry on....

[Slippers]

Sorry to hear about your troubles man. Post 41F is not the end of the world as far as NFA purchases go. Just slightly more hassle if you use a trust. Thankfully you can do your own prints and photos, and filing individual form 4s is the same either way.

[mustangfreek]

Thanks..

If the law here in WA would of been written right I would of been into the nfa game a couple years ago when it passed and I had done money..but the wording was screwed for doing form 1's..

[Stone]

Anybody having trouble logging into the ATF online site today??

[fledge]

Ordered a Sandman on 1/26. Today I was notified that the form 3 cleared.

Update on my above comment, in case anyone else experiences this.

I received all my paperwork to send in the Form 4. But the approved form 3 was incorrect. ATF approved it with the wrong manufacturer information.

I told my dealer (who didn't notice it) who then contact the ATF.

Today the ATF told my dealer that they made a mistake and to change the manufacturing name on my dealer's books. I should get the new form 4 paperwork to send in right away.

Glad to see it's an easy fix.

[alamo5000]

Yeeehaw. My stamp arrived at the dealer today. I will go down tomorrow if possible to pick up my new can.

[Deadwing]

Yeeehaw. My stamp arrived at the dealer today. I will go down tomorrow if possible to pick up my new can.

SWEET!!!

[UWone77]

This isn't completely true. If your kids (or whomever) is named in your will, a Form 5 can be submitted to the ATF in order to legally transfer, tax-free.



Old document, but the basic idea is still in place: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/transfers-national-firearms-act-firearms-decedents-estates/download

I've seen enough estates and have had to deal with enough probate to know, not a lot of people have wills. For some trusts will be the only estate planning they do.

[Uffdaphil]

Form 1 submitted 2/5 and approved 6/23. Another one in the queue two months behind. Lord only knows when my cans will get paroled.

[gatordev]

I've seen enough estates and have had to deal with enough probate to know, not a lot of people have wills. For some trusts will be the only estate planning they do.

Absolutely, just pointing out that the NFA system does allow for non-tax transfers if you do a small bit of planning ahead of time. Then again, there are many "gun people" that think a trust is something that gets you NFA items, when it's actually a much more robust tool for estate planning. So I guess the coin flips both ways.

[LHTwist]

Received two stamps today!

Paper Form 1 (x2) - Trust mailed 1/04/2016
SBR & Suppressor: used Coyote Rifle Works example
Checks cleared on 1/12/2016
Rejected on 5/02/2016 (zero tolerance!)
Corrected & returned on 5/13/2016
Approved on 6/17/2016


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[UWone77]

Received two stamps today!

Paper Form 1 (x2) - Trust mailed 1/04/2016
SBR & Suppressor: used Coyote Rifle Works example
Checks cleared on 1/12/2016
Rejected on 5/02/2016 (zero tolerance!)
Corrected & returned on 5/13/2016
Approved on 6/17/2016


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This gives me hope my Feb submissions are coming in soon.

[schambers]

Form 4 for Griffin Armament RSTA 7.62

Submitted: 07/JAN/2016
Approved: 27/JUNE/2016

[cjd3]

Form 1 SBR mailed 7/5/2016. Not even bothering with the e-file, plus, I like the actual stamp.

[Deadwing]

Form 1 SBR mailed 7/5/2016. Not even bothering with the e-file, plus, I like the actual stamp.

Has eforms been having problems? If so, i'd better get moving on preparing some paper forms. I was going to file a couple Form 1 SBRs with eforms today or tomorrow.

[fledge]

I just completed a form 1 submission online. The site was fast including trust doc upload and payment. Not a single hiccup. Maybe time of day had something to do with it.

[DeviantLogic]

I just completed a form 1 submission online. The site was fast including trust doc upload and payment. Not a single hiccup. Maybe time of day had something to do with it.

Think you got lucky. It's working extra hard to f*ck up right now.

[UWone77]

Snuck in one more Form 1... when you're the only one in your state, or probably less than 5 people in the country to have a pre 41F CMT 9mm ARMINI

[:D]

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[schambers]

well that definitely looks different... side charging I'm guessing?

I'm itching to build a 9mm sbr of some sort. Looking forward to hearing what you think about the overall system.

[fledge]

Snuck in one more Form 1... when you're the only one in your state, or probably less than 5 people in the country to have a pre 41F CMT 9mm ARMINI

[:D]

1413

How do I join the cool guy club? Been waiting, waiting, waiting for this one. This was the only 9mm receiver I was willing to SBR.

[UWone77]

How do I join the cool guy club? Been waiting, waiting, waiting for this one. This was the only 9mm receiver I was willing to SBR.

This pic is pictured with the Sig MPX Stock, but that's been the delay, R&D for CMT's own stock. CMT just filed for a new design a few months ago. Once that's approved, you'll see the final version.

Unfortunately Jeff won't let me share any pics of the stock, but it is awesome.

[SINNER]

Snuck in one more Form 1... when you're the only one in your state, or probably less than 5 people in the country to have a pre 41F CMT 9mm ARMINI

[:D]

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Dick


[:D]

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Dick


[:D]

Pretty close to the the same thing I told him as well.


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[mustangfreek]

Dick


[:D]

Bahaha ..oh come on..I call him worse...[BD]

But really that's s bad looking mofo UW, when are we gonna hook up and go shooting ?..lol

[UWone77]

Bahaha ..oh come on..I call him worse...[BD]

But really that's s bad looking mofo UW, when are we gonna hook up and go shooting ?..lol

We can go in December when all my stamps come in!

[UWone77]

Hopefully you guys got your stamps in before today. They took the ATF website down.... I'm sure Silencer Shop was doing there part. They posted this pic of 2 Million Dollars in Stamps going out.

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[din]

I wanted to get one more can, just couldn't afford it. :0(
Looks like I'll be jumping through stupid hoops at some point if I want something shorter for my SBRs.

[alamo5000]

Hopefully you guys got your stamps in before today. They took the ATF website down.... I'm sure Silencer Shop was doing there part. They posted this pic of 2 Million Dollars in Stamps going out.

1419

Damn. That's a lot of stamps.

I still have a lot of stuff I want to get but it's so far off and the money just isn't there...

[UWone77]

I wanted to get one more can, just couldn't afford it. :0(
Looks like I'll be jumping through stupid hoops at some point if I want something shorter for my SBRs.

I don't think it'll be as bad as you think. $10 fingerprint cards and $5 photos.. Just get a few done at once to cover you for awhile. Extra steps suck but it's not the end of the world.

[fledge]

The SilencerShop pic is impressive. So that's like 10,000 stamps represented, if I did my math right.

I'll probably ask for fingerprints from the Mrs for Christmas for the CMT 9mm.

[SINNER]

Just saw that pic on FB. Nuts.

[alamo5000]

I don't think it'll be as bad as you think. $10 fingerprint cards and $5 photos.. Just get a few done at once to cover you for awhile. Extra steps suck but it's not the end of the world.

Did you see the thing about the Kiosks they are providing? You can digitally scan and store your fingerprints among other things...

http://blog.silencershop.com/atf-41f-is-not-the-end/

[UWone77]

Did you see the thing about the Kiosks they are providing? You can digitally scan and store your fingerprints among other things...

http://blog.silencershop.com/atf-41f-is-not-the-end/

Unless there's been a change, dealers cannot do fingerprints.

[alamo5000]

Unless there's been a change, dealers cannot do fingerprints.

I don't know if they are doing the prints or not. Maybe you just go scan them in once they are done by someone else. I don't know how the new system will work.

[gatordev]

Unless there's been a change, dealers cannot do fingerprints.

It sounds like it's more of an end-user solution, but the device is located at larger dealers. The end user is still doing the prints, it's just in digital form. I've been curious how that will work as I continue to get SS's emails, but at least they're trying to be pro-active and work with the ATF as 41F approached.

[Joelski]

With their rep for kicking back everything but FBI Applicant cards, printed with blue ink, it doesn't sound like it'll get easier to submit prints.

[DeviantLogic]

From ATF's General 41F Questions and Answers (https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/general41fquestionsandanswersupdated-6-28-16pdf/download) page:


Q. May a Federal firearms licensee fingerprint a customer? As an FFL dealer, can we fingerprint our customers?
A. Fingerprints may be taken by anyone who is properly equipped to take them (see instructions on ATF Form 1, Form 4, Form 5, and Form 5320.23). Therefore, applicants may utilize the service of any business or government agency that is properly equipped to take fingerprints.”

Edit: The information on the ATF Form 1, Form 4, and 5320 don't really provide much information about the fingerprints in regards to qualifying "the service of any business or government agency that is properly equipped to take fingerprints". Instructions from each form are below:

Form 1:

Photographs and Fingerprints. An individual maker (including any Federally licensed collector who is an individual but not any other type of Federal firearms licensee) must (1) attach to each copy in item 12 of the ATF Form 1, a 2 inch x 2 inch photograph of his/her frontal view taken within one year prior to the date of the application and (2) submit two properly completed FBI Forms FD-258 (Fingerprint Card with blue lines) with application. The fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and taken by someone properly equipped to take them.

Form 4:

Photographs and Fingerprints. An individual transferee, except if licensed as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer under the GCA, must (1) attach to item 15 of the ATF Form 4, a 2 inch x 2 inch photograph of the frontal view of the transferee taken within one year prior to the date of the application and (2) submit two properly completed FBI Forms FD-258 (Fingerprint Card with blue lines) with application. The fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and taken by someone properly equipped to take them.

Form 5320:

Fingerprints: The responsible person shall submit, in duplicate with the ATF copy of this form, his or her fingerprints on FBI Form FD-258 and the fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and taken by someone properly equipped to take them. No fingerprints are required with the copy of the form sent to the chief law enforcement officer.

[cjd3]

Woohooish.
Griffin Revo 45 form 3 submitted, passport photos taken. The responsible parties didn't smile, and they look like mug shots. Next are fingerprints this week. I'm really going work the middle finger on the form.

[alamo5000]

Woohooish.
Griffin Revo 45 form 3 submitted, passport photos taken. The responsible parties didn't smile, and they look like mug shots. Next are fingerprints this week. I'm really going work the middle finger on the form.

Once you get all the way through I would like to know how this new procedure really is supposed to work. I am sure other people as they go through it will describe it more... but before I buy anything else I am going to give it a few months so that they can get done with that $2m in a day Silencer Shop order :)

[Sak007]

Woohooish.
Griffin Revo 45 form 3 submitted, passport photos taken. The responsible parties didn't smile, and they look like mug shots. Next are fingerprints this week. I'm really going work the middle finger on the form.

I wonder if you can claim to be a pastafarian for your forms
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[fledge]

Form 1. Trust. Efile.

Submitted: 2/20
Approved: 8/8

[SINNER]

Filed 01/27/2016 approved 07/30/2016

Stamp arrived at shop on 08/09/2016




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[cjd3]

Filed 01/27/2016 approved 07/30/2016

Stamp arrived at shop on 08/09/2016




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Just in time! I like the brake, but I put a plain cap on my Omega to reduce the length. I get first shots today on my .30-06.

[UWone77]

Nice! Gives me hope that March Submissions are around the corner!

[SINNER]

Just in time! I like the brake, but I put a plain cap on my Omega to reduce the length. I get first shots today on my .30-06.

That's a Harvester Big bore. Not sure if they even make a flat end cap for those. The Omega is a great can. I wasn't sure the brake did anything until I shot my .300 Winmag with it.


Nice! Gives me hope that March Submissions are around the corner!

He said he had one that was submitted mid February come in this week. I have some scattered around Feb and March also.

[fledge]

My SMOS GFY was approved today. Efile trust.

Submitted for review on 2/20. It was not in their system. I uploaded pics.

Entered official submitted status 3/22.

Approved 9/6.

[Uffdaphil]

Recce 7 filed 2/10 , stamp arrived 9/6. About a month longer than previous cans.

[gatordev]

F4 submitted 2/8 and approved 8/28. Arrived today. So 7 months. Yay.

[alamo5000]

Recce 7 filed 2/10 , stamp arrived 9/6. About a month longer than previous cans.

Drool! [adore]

I definitely request a write up on your impressions once you get a chance to shoot it some.

That one is for sure on my list.

[Uffdaphil]

This is my second Recce 7. The first has worked great on two 300 BLK - 9" & 16" and on two 5.56 - 10.5 and 16". Super quiet on the 300 and pleasant with supers on 300 and 5.56. I really like the taper mount. Stays tighter than my plain threaded pistol can. I don't use adjustable gas blocks, but no issues cycling except for the 5.56 SBR using Wolf steel case. That upper does not like steel without the can either. I use the mini-brake for sub only. And the flash-comp for dual use. I think one has a flash hider mount, but I'm to lazy to open the safe and unpack the crowd to check.

A Recce 5 was submitted the same time as the 7 so I'm hoping this week. Lighter and a little quieter than the 7 on 5.56.

[alamo5000]

This is my second Recce 7. The first has worked great on two 300 BLK - 9" & 16" and on two 5.56 - 10.5 and 16". Super quiet on the 300 and pleasant with supers on 300 and 5.56. I really like the taper mount. Stays tighter than my plain threaded pistol can. I don't use adjustable gas blocks, but no issues cycling except for the 5.56 SBR using Wolf steel case. That upper does not like steel without the can either. I use the mini-brake for sub only. And the flash-comp for dual use. I think one has a flash hider mount, but I'm to lazy to open the safe and unpack the crowd to check.

A Recce 5 was submitted the same time as the 7 so I'm hoping this week. Lighter and a little quieter than the 7 on 5.56.

I have a Recce 5 and I love the thing. It's fantastic. I have been planning to get a 7 ever since.

The only .30 cal gun I have is an AK but hopefully I can change that sooner rather than later. I am torn between a bolt gun or an AR10 but I could do both over the longer term.

The good thing about the Recce 7 is that it's way more versatile when you look at the number of calibers that you can use...and I don't mean just 'lesser calibers' either... 6.5... 300BLK...7mm....308 and a whole host of other things. For 5.56 though the Recce 5 is just top notch.

The mount is great. That is just one thing I am in love with. I think it depends on what you plan to do with it, but for me and my purposes I don't know what else could be better.

[SwissyJim]

back from a month and a half of fun and found my 458BattleKitty SBR approved... sent in 3/23

[UWone77]

back from a month and a half of fun and found my 458BattleKitty SBR approved... sent in 3/23

Man, they are approving Form 1's a lot faster than Form 4's send in earlier.

Congrats on the Battle Kitty SBR!

I'm sure you'll pick up some new Battle Kitty V2 patches!

[Uffdaphil]

SBR submitted 4/4, approved 9/21. My third and probably last in the trust because of the new conditions. One more pre-deadline can in the pipeline.

[UWone77]

HK USC/UMP SBR

Form 4 Trust
Submitted 2/15
Check Cashed 2/23
Approved 9/13
Stamp received 9/19

[fledge]

Glad to see Form 4s getting processed. Seems like it was all crickets for a while.

Looking forward to new pics, UW.

[gatordev]

HK USC/UMP SBR


Several years ago in San Diego, vendors were fire-selling the USCs as they were being discontinued. Why oh why did I not grab one and F1 it? #regrets.

[Deadwing]

HK USC/UMP SBR

Form 4 Trust
Submitted 2/15
Check Cashed 2/23
Approved 9/13
Stamp received 9/19

I am all sorts of jealous over that. You know i'm a Koch whore...

I've got an Octane 45K on a form 4 that was submitted 2/23, so hopefully soon. After that, an MPX form 4 that was submitted 4/15, and a Hybrid about a month later. Should be a pretty nice Christmas.

[UWone77]

I am all sorts of jealous over that. You know i'm a Koch whore...

I've got an Octane 45K on a form 4 that was submitted 2/23, so hopefully soon. After that, an MPX form 4 that was submitted 4/15, and a Hybrid about a month later. Should be a pretty nice Christmas.

I think it'll be a nice Christmas for most around here!

I've got the Kriss Vector and TiRant 9s I submitted in march. Guessing post April will be early 2017 or late Dec

[gatordev]

F4 Suppressor

Sent: 2/15/16
Approved: 9/20/16
Arrived: 10/3/16

Clone Gods approve.

[Stickman]

F4 Suppressor

Sent: 2/15/16
Approved: 9/20/16
Arrived: 10/3/16

Clone Gods approve.

Corn Cob?

[gatordev]

AEM5. Monty's gun will be complete. Let the painting begin.

[GriffonSec]

Griffin Checkmate QD on Form 4 Trust.

Cashed : 3/4/16
Approved : 9/26/16
Received : 10/3/16

[The FNG]

3 days short of 6 months... 3/29 to 9/26


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[Jerry R]

3 days short of 6 months... 3/29 to 9/26

On what? Times seem to vary. I have a Form-4 Factory SBR waiting that they cashed the check for on 3/30.

[The FNG]

Sorry an efile firm 1 suppressor

ETA: my bad, just realized this was transfers and not for form 1 stuff. :/


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[UWone77]

On what? Times seem to vary. I have a Form-4 Factory SBR waiting that they cashed the check for on 3/30.

Looks like they are running right around 7 months for Form 4's.

I've got 2 Form 4's submitted in March, with checks cashed 3/23. Hoping it's later this month!

[Jerry R]

Just hoping also ... my son GriffonSec received his Form-4 Suppressor stamp several days ago - almost 6 months to the day. They cashed his check around March 29th I believe.

[GriffonSec]

Nope, I'm up in the thread.

3/4 cashed
9/26 approved
10/3 received

Right at 7 months. 6 and 3 weeks til approval

[SINNER]

Filed Feb. 24th. Forgot about this one until the shop called. Lol SpecWar too cheap not to pick up.

1809

[Slippers]

Filed Feb. 24th. Forgot about this one until the shop called. Lol SpecWar too cheap not to pick up.

1809

Nice can. I love me some specwar.

[SINNER]

Nice can. I love me some specwar.

Thanks. I really like my 7.62 Specwar. Hopefully this performs as well.

[radar707]

Sweet specwar. Hope to get into the NFA game one day.

[Deadwing]

I got a call from my dealer Friday afternoon saying the stamp for my Octane 45K came back approved. It took just about 8 months. It'll probably be next week before i can pick it up. I'll update with actual approval date, etc. when i have it in hand.

[Sak007]

Anybody from Wa with any form 1 updates I'm still waiting on 2 form 1 sbr's ?

[cjd3]

Well, with SID kiosk delays resulting in the paper route, Silencershop has finally submitted my form 4 for my Revo 45. Only one more year!

[tb417]

Anybody from Wa with any form 1 updates I'm still waiting on 2 form 1 sbr's ?
I mailed my sbr form 1 June 1st ATF charged my card on the 8th. I haven't inquired since. I'm hoping for Christmas.

[Slippers]

Form 4 trust:
Submitted March 3
Check cashed March 9
Approved October 13

[MCA]

Form 4 Trust -

Submitted 02/08/2016
Cashed 02/16/2016
Approved 09/15/2016 *and there was an error with the serial number that was submitted so it would have been a little faster without having to resubmit the correction

[Deadwing]

I finally had time to pick up my Octane 45K. It sure looks good on the end of my Mark 23. [:D]

Type: Form 4/Trust
Item: Silencer - Octane 45K
Submitted: 23 FEB 2016
Approved: 03 OCT 2016
Stamp at dealer: 14 OCT 2016

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/Deadwing76/4336ABE9-370E-48A1-B0A6-6E3D37AE34FA_zpsewm7gmhn.jpg (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/Deadwing76/media/4336ABE9-370E-48A1-B0A6-6E3D37AE34FA_zpsewm7gmhn.jpg.html)

[Pyzik]

I finally had time to pick up my Octane 45K. It sure loos good on the end of my Mark 23. [:D]

Type: Form 4/Trust
Items: Silencer - Octane 45K
Submitted: 23 FEB 201
Approved: 03 OCT 2016
Stamps at dealer: 14 OCT 2016

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/Deadwing76/4336ABE9-370E-48A1-B0A6-6E3D37AE34FA_zpsewm7gmhn.jpg (http://s95.photobucket.com/user/Deadwing76/media/4336ABE9-370E-48A1-B0A6-6E3D37AE34FA_zpsewm7gmhn.jpg.html)
Damn that's a long time to wait for a toy that's been paid for.

[Deadwing]

Damn that's a long time to wait for a toy that's been paid for.

It sure is. That's the worst part about playing the NFA game, at least with Form 4s. It's not necessarily the wait that annoys me, but the fact that i've paid for something that i won't get to use for nearly three quarters of a year, in this case. To add insult to injury, Uncle Sam takes their $200 cut immediately, so you're out price of the item and the "tax" to exercise a constitutionally protected right. I've still got two items in NFA jail that will take at least as long to clear. But it feels good when you finally go pick them up to take home, and you leave the gun store with new toy and didn't have to spend any money.

ETA: I just noticed my typo. LOL! :P

[UWone77]

Form 4 Trusts:

Advanced Armament TiRant 9s
Submitted 3/15/16
Check Cashed 3/22/16
Approved 10/20/16
Received at Dealer 11/3/16


KRISS Vector SBR
Submitted 3/15/16
Check Cashed 3/22/16
Approved 10/20/16
Received at Dealer 11/3/16


Daniel Defense MK18 SBR
Submitted 12/15/15
Credit Card Charged 3/23/16
Sent back for Corrections 10/31/16
Received at Dealer 11/16/16

One lesson learned.... always pay by check. Submitted my stamp 3 months earlier, and got it 1 month later than my check submitted applications. I don't know if it was a fluke, but apparently they suck at charging cards. 11 months later, I'm partying like it was 2012 for ATF Stamps.

[vivi00]

Form 4 Paper Trusts

Griffin Armament Recce 5
Submitted: 4/1/16
Approved: 11/20/16
Received at Dealer: 11/29/16

Griffin Armament Recce 7
Submitted: 4/1/16
Approved: 11/20/16
Received at Dealer: 11/29/16

Now to wait for the Dead Air Mask I submitted in June, uggghhh...

[fledge]

Form 4

Mailed: April 6
Received at dealer: Nov 30

[alamo5000]

Form 4 Paper Trusts

Griffin Armament Recce 5
Submitted: 4/1/16
Approved: 11/20/16
Received at Dealer: 11/29/16

Griffin Armament Recce 7
Submitted: 4/1/16
Approved: 11/20/16
Received at Dealer: 11/29/16

Now to wait for the Dead Air Mask I submitted in June, uggghhh...

Nice.

What are you putting those on?

[Deadwing]

Form 4 Paper Trusts

Griffin Armament Recce 5
Submitted: 4/1/16
Approved: 11/20/16
Received at Dealer: 11/29/16

Griffin Armament Recce 7
Submitted: 4/1/16
Approved: 11/20/16
Received at Dealer: 11/29/16

Now to wait for the Dead Air Mask I submitted in June, uggghhh...


Form 4

Mailed: April 6
Received at dealer: Nov 30

Nice! Congrats, guys! With those dates, my MPX ought to be coming back approved soon.

[vivi00]

Nice.

What are you putting those on?

The Recce 5 is going on a lightweight 11.5 build I did for my wife. The Recce 7 is going on another 11.5 build for me. Since these will essentially be dedicated suppressed builds, I'm using the BRT gas port inserts, so I'm interested to see how that works out.

I'll post build specs and pics in the appropriate threads. Hers is complete minus a Scalarworks/T2 combo and Arisaka light/mount combo. Mines in pieces currently waiting on my CMR handguard to arrive.

We're doing test and tune on hers this afternoon...

[Jerry R]

Paper Form-4 Trust (SBR)

Check cashed March 30
Approved November 17
Arrived at dealer December 1
Picked up December 8

[Deadwing]

I picked my Sig MPX up from my dealer Saturday. It was six days shy of eight months door to door. As for the MPX itself, after nearly eight months of waiting i'm slightly underwhelmed. Maybe it's the shitty trigger puts in these things...

Type: Form 4/Trust
Item: SBR - Sig MPX
Submitted: 15 APR 2016
Approved: 03 DEC 2016
Stamp at dealer: 09 DEC 2016

[UWone77]

I picked my Sig MPX up from my dealer Saturday. It was six days shy of eight months door to door. As for the MPX itself, after nearly eight months of waiting i'm slightly underwhelmed. Maybe it's the shitty trigger puts in these things...

Type: Form 4/Trust
Item: SBR - Sig MPX
Submitted: 15 APR 2016
Approved: 03 DEC 2016
Stamp at dealer: 09 DEC 2016

Maybe that upcoming Geissele trigger for the MPX will cure you of your woes.

If I didn't get a deal on the MPX I probably wouldn't have purchased mine. Sucks suppressed, heavy for its size, and crap trigger as you already mentioned. I don't get why people love this thing. Must be a lot more fun with F/A

[Deadwing]

Maybe that upcoming Geissele trigger for the MPX will cure you of your woes.

If I didn't get a deal on the MPX I probably wouldn't have purchased mine. Sucks suppressed, heavy for its size, and crap trigger as you already mentioned. I don't get why people love this thing. Must be a lot more fun with F/A

Back when i bought my MPX, i'd read in a thread someplace where Mr. Bill Geissele himself said the SSA should function just fine in the MPX. So, i bought a Geissele SSA to drop in my MPX when i finally got the stamp back. Since then, Geissele has warned against using any of their triggers in the MPX, hence the MPX specific trigger they are working on. So i'm hoping Geissele doesn't rape consumers too badly on the price for the MPX trigger. In fact, they ought to be cutting those who purchased other Geissele triggers for their MPX prior to them advising against it a deal on a MPX specific trigger. Geissele makes a great trigger, but prices for the HK MR556 trigger, etc. border on obscene. Granted, it's a niche market. But $465 for a trigger? Jesus...

As for the rest of the MPX, it's serves the purpose i bought it for, which was to own a pistol caliber carbine. I'd rather have the MPX than some cobbled together pistol caliber AR that i spend more time trying to get running than actually shooting. I haven't shot it suppressed yet, as i'm still waiting on the stamp for the can i'm going to use. Hopefully it doesn't suck suppressed too badly, as that was part of the draw for me. And i like it a little better now that i've removed that awful pistol grip Sig shipped it with and installed a Magpul MOE K2, and changed out the collapsing stock for a folder.

[UWone77]

If you haven't shot a MPX Suppressed, you're in for a real treat... the kind of treat where your head is in a lead death cloud the entire session.

BTW, I also thought it was odd that at first they advertised any drop in AR trigger would work in the MPX, and now suddenly they are not recommending a Geissele? Weird.

[Deadwing]

If you haven't shot a MPX Suppressed, you're in for a real treat... the kind of treat where your head is in a lead death cloud the entire session.

BTW, I also thought it was odd that at first they advertised any drop in AR trigger would work in the MPX, and now suddenly they are not recommending a Geissele? Weird.

Something to look forward to i guess... :rolleyes:

How are you mounting the can to your MPX? I'm considering replacing the factory flash hider with a 3-lug.

As for the Geissele flipping a full 180 on the use of their triggers in the MPX, i can only guess that it was costing them a lot of money in warranty claims. i emailed Geissele asking a few questions about their sudden change of heart and they flat out told me the SSA would work for a while, but would without a doubt eventually fail. They also said, and i quote, "Going forward, rebuild kits for our AR15 triggers installed in the MPX will be available". Presumably, these will be offered for sale as opposed to being warranty replacement parts now that they've got the disclaimer about use of their triggers in the MPX. But that doesn't make me any less annoyed that i spent $220 on an SSA for my MPX based on their previous recommendations, and i'll now have to shell out at least that much again when they release the SSA-MPX. :mad:

[DISCOM]

3 Lug is a good way to go. . .



2316

[Deadwing]

Who makes that 3-lug adapter? And where can they be purchased?

[tb417]

Maybe that upcoming Geissele trigger for the MPX will cure you of your woes.

If I didn't get a deal on the MPX I probably wouldn't have purchased mine. Sucks suppressed, heavy for its size, and crap trigger as you already mentioned. I don't get why people love this thing. Must be a lot more fun with F/A
You guys are depressing the hell out of me! I was originally looking at the Wilson AR9, but ultimately chose the MPX because I thought there was more support out there for it. So I bought a lower on Gun Broker and Formed 1 it (hopefully it comes back soon!) Now I'm starting to wish I would have Form 1'd my AXTS instead.

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[UWone77]

You guys are depressing the hell out of me! I was originally looking at the Wilson AR9, but ultimately chose the MPX because I thought there was more support out there for it. So I bought a lower on Gun Broker and Formed 1 it (hopefully it comes back soon!) Now I'm starting to wish I would have Form 1'd my AXTS instead.

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Eh, just do both. [:D]

And you can still have fun with the MPX... you don't have to suppress everything!

[tb417]

Eh, just do both. [:D]

And you can still have fun with the MPX... you don't have to suppress everything!
Blasphemy!

Since I picked up that second AXTS from BDL a couple months back I probably will do it eventually.

Does anyone have any experience with Innovative Arms integrally suppressed upper? Less gas? Southpaw breathability friendly?

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[alamo5000]

Who makes that 3-lug adapter? And where can they be purchased?

Griffin makes em in several thread pitches. Even that 13.5 LH sig stuff.

https://54-17arms.com/shop/accessories-pistol-silencer-accessories-griffin-armament/griffin-armament-3-lug-adapter/

[fairlanericky]

Blasphemy!

Since I picked up that second AXTS from BDL a couple months back I probably will do it eventually.

Does anyone have any experience with Innovative Arms integrally suppressed upper? Less gas? Southpaw breathability friendly?

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I was under the impression the Innovative Arms integrals were complete weapons not just uppers. I've been wrong before though. ;)



Ric

[Deadwing]

Griffin makes em in several thread pitches. Even that 13.5 LH sig stuff.

https://54-17arms.com/shop/accessories-pistol-silencer-accessories-griffin-armament/griffin-armament-3-lug-adapter/

Thanks for the link.

ETA: Alamo, have you ordered from 54-17 Arms before? If so, how'd they do? Any issues/problems/gripes?

I was going to order the adapter directly from Griffin Armament, but they're out of stock.

Thanks!

[tb417]

I was under the impression the Innovative Arms integrals were complete weapons not just uppers. I've been wrong before though. ;)



Ric
I called them to ask if they sold just uppers since that's all I need. He told me that all they do is convert yours. At that time it was send him your barrel and pay $750, he cuts it down to 5", ports it, and attaches the suppressor.

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[SINNER]

Finally got off my ass and called about my Salvo. Submitted in early March and still pending. Have got back 2 of 4 SBR's submitted around the same time. ATF is a disaster.

[mlosi762]

Thanks for the link.

ETA: Alamo, have you ordered from 54-17 Arms before? If so, how'd they do? Any issues/problems/gripes?

I was going to order the adapter directly from Griffin Armament, but they're out of stock.

Thanks!

I ordered my GA Alpha from 54-17 Arms. Although I'm still waiting on my tax stamp, they were great to work with, offered competitive pricing, overall hassle-free experience. I recommend them.

[DISCOM]

Deadwing

If you can't find the 3 lug or out of stock, I know they have them in stock here for the sig thread pitch.

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/showsearchresults.asp?pageStyle=H&resultCnt=50&keyword=3+lug

[alamo5000]

Thanks for the link.

ETA: Alamo, have you ordered from 54-17 Arms before? If so, how'd they do? Any issues/problems/gripes?

I was going to order the adapter directly from Griffin Armament, but they're out of stock.

Thanks!

I have ordered from them. They didn't do anything wrong in my book. Shipping wasn't super fast or 'over night' like speed, but it got here just fine.

About the ONLY thing that happened was when I ordered (I think it was on a long holiday weekend or something like that) they said I would be getting a follow up email with tracking. That email didn't come even after several days. One email though and the whole thing was taken care of.

It was more like 'where's my tracking number? it's been 4 days' and then I got a response something like 'we definitely apologize for the delay after the long holiday... I will personally make sure that it is sent out today'... and they did.

Seems like a small operation to be honest but the service and response to inquiries did not fall by the wayside.

My experience with a slight delay in shipping could have been a one off. I would order from them again. Basically even though I experienced a slight shipping delay (at the time) I am not inclined to throw them under the bus over it, mainly just by the nature of how they corrected it all. No excuses. Just done.

[Deadwing]

Deadwing

If you can't find the 3 lug or out of stock, I know they have them in stock here for the sig thread pitch.

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/showsearchresults.asp?pageStyle=H&resultCnt=50&keyword=3+lug

Thanks for the link. I noticed those as well. i was hoping for other options, as I only try and use them if all other options have failed.


I ordered my GA Alpha from 54-17 Arms. Although I'm still waiting on my tax stamp, they were great to work with, offered competitive pricing, overall hassle-free experience. I recommend them.


I have ordered from them. They didn't do anything wrong in my book. Shipping wasn't super fast or 'over night' like speed, but it got here just fine.

About the ONLY thing that happened was when I ordered (I think it was on a long holiday weekend or something like that) they said I would be getting a follow up email with tracking. That email didn't come even after several days. One email though and the whole thing was taken care of.

It was more like 'where's my tracking number? it's been 4 days' and then I got a response something like 'we definitely apologize for the delay after the long holiday... I will personally make sure that it is sent out today'... and they did.

Seems like a small operation to be honest but the service and response to inquiries did not fall by the wayside.

My experience with a slight delay in shipping could have been a one off. I would order from them again. Basically even though I experienced a slight shipping delay (at the time) I am not inclined to throw them under the bus over it, mainly just by the nature of how they corrected it all. No excuses. Just done.

Thanks for the feedback. I placed an order and got tracking info before the end of the day. So far, so good.

[fairlanericky]

I called them to ask if they sold just uppers since that's all I need. He told me that all they do is convert yours. At that time it was send him your barrel and pay $750, he cuts it down to 5", ports it, and attaches the suppressor.

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Good to know, thanks



Ric

[gatordev]

EForm 1:

Submitted: June 4
Approved: December 27 (DRAFT)
Reapproved: December 28

So over 6 1/2 months with all of the 41F traffic.

[fledge]

Silencer Shop purchase. Form 4.

Check cashed 4/29.
Stamp at dealer 1/3.

[Joelski]

Form 3 submitted 11/28/16, status changed to approved 1/9/17. Gotta get prints done and then the wait begins.

Question: Two sets of prints must be sent with the form, for each person on the trust, correct? Also, according to the latest I've heard, those are good for one year. From which date are the good? Submitted, or approved? Still trying to decide if I want to go to the hassle of getting the other person on my trust done the same time as myself, vs. doing the individual route.

Anybody have experience converting an individually registered Class III item to their trust? The sound of that kind of makes me think it might be easier to just get it overwith....

[Jerry R]

Please correct me if I'm wrong ... (again)

My understanding is that NFA items are not "converted" to a trust, but transferred. Technically that is a change of ownership which would require a new $200 stamp even though you own the trust. I believe that is what my Florida Trust lawyer told me. I have two trusts - one Georgia and one Florida. I asked about combining all the items into the Florida trust and he said they would have to be individually transferred - new stamp for each. But that's been a couple of years, and memory fades ...

[fledge]

That's my understanding too, Jerry.

Joelski, on your first question, an NFA Trust lawyer Can help a lot. After 41F, I'm amazed at what my attorney has shared that the ATF recommends to work with and around the ruling.

[vivi00]

Form 3 submitted 11/28/16, status changed to approved 1/9/17. Gotta get prints done and then the wait begins.

Question: Two sets of prints must be sent with the form, for each person on the trust, correct? Also, according to the latest I've heard, those are good for one year. From which date are the good? Submitted, or approved? Still trying to decide if I want to go to the hassle of getting the other person on my trust done the same time as myself, vs. doing the individual route.

Anybody have experience converting an individually registered Class III item to their trust? The sound of that kind of makes me think it might be easier to just get it overwith....

I just (April 2015) transferred 2 SBRs and 1 suppressor to my trust that were previously my individual items. All transferred on Form 4's and it couldn't have been easier, though it felt like putting $600 in a pile and lighting it on fire.

Joking aside, I considered it an investment from an estate planning aspect and at the time 41P/F was looming. Trying to round everyone up on my trust for finger prints, photos, etc was something I wasn't looking forward to, so I just decided to get it over with.

If you want to see what the forms look like filled out I can PM/text/email images, but I won't be able to get to the paperwork till Friday.

[Joelski]

Sounds like I'm better off taking my trustee to lunch via Booking. [;)]

[Sak007]

Woo Hoo just had 2 form 1 efiles for sbr's hit my email approved
7/8/16 Filed
1/11/17 Approved
Form1 E-filed the day possible in Wa
2 CMT UHP15 ambi lowers , these are my all out lowers that I spared no expense on adding every part I want .

[din]

Woo Hoo just had 2 form 1 efiles for sbr's hit my email approved
7/8/16 Filed
1/11/17 Approved
Form1 E-filed the day possible in Wa
2 CMT UHP15 ambi lowers , these are my all out lowers that I spared no expense on adding every part I want .

Awesome. Waiting for two Form 1s I efiled on 07/02, so here's hoping...

[Stone]

Forgot all about my efiled form one around 6/28. Still haven't heard a word...

[mlosi762]

Griffin Armament Alpha

Form 4 w/Trust submitted on 5/2/16
Check cashed 5/9/16

So, one month down... Will update once I hear about the approval.

Update:

Just spoke to the NFA Branch, Form 4 approved on 1/4/17, so my GA Alpha should be paroled soon. Will update again once dealer receives the stamp and contacts me.

[Joelski]

Update:

Just spoke to the NFA Branch, Form 4 approved on 1/4/17, so my GA Alpha should be paroled soon. Will update again once dealer receives the stamp and contacts me.

My Alpha just shipped to my FFL/SOT. Please post a review as soon as you get some time with it. Lord, I hope the HPA gets passed sap and cuts my wait short. The hope was nice, and I think it's a slam dunk now, but the suspense is killing me!

[UWone77]

Update:

Just spoke to the NFA Branch, Form 4 approved on 1/4/17, so my GA Alpha should be paroled soon. Will update again once dealer receives the stamp and contacts me.

Not too bad then. I got a few Form 4 submissions in June so hopefully next month for me

[Stone]

"Bill calls for abolishment of ATF"
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1329

http://www.guns.com/2017/01/13/bill-calls-for-abolishment-of-atf/

They should do away with the whole out-dated NFA crap all together!

[Deadwing]

Bills calling for the elimination of the NFA, GCA, Hughes Amendment, the Bush Ban of '89, and legislation that infringes upon the Second Amendment would be better. Shutting down the ATF would only shift the bureaucracy from one agency to another, and bring the boots of the FBI and DEA to bear on those currently affected by the ATF. And i'd imagine processing of NFA forms would slow to a crawl as a result.

[alamo5000]

Bills calling for the NFA, GCA, Hughes Amendment, the Bush Ban of '89, and legislation that infringes upon the Second Amendment would be better. Shutting down the ATF would only shift the bureaucracy from one agency to another, and bring the boots of the FBI and DEA to bear on those currently affected by the ATF. And i'd imagine processing of NFA forms would slow to a crawl as a result.

I was under the impression that the firearms and accessories (SBR, SBS, Supressors, etc) were all mentioned by statute. Just getting rid of the ATF (which still has merit) won't eliminate those items being mentioned by name in laws surrounding them.

[Deadwing]

I was under the impression that the firearms and accessories (SBR, SBS, Supressors, etc) were all mentioned by statute. Just getting rid of the ATF (which still has merit) won't eliminate those items being mentioned by name in laws surrounding them.

I mis-spoke in my original post, and have edited it. I meant to say we need to eliminate the NFA, GCA, Hughes amendment, etc., in addition to eliminating the ATF. Merely getting rid of the ATF would only transfer their bureaucratic powers to different agencies, and would in effect do nothing for us as gun owners and pro-2A advocates. In fact, by simply merging the ATF's functions with other agencies, i'd be willing to bet we would be negatively impacted, as i see the processing of forms slowing and the backlog increasing, and less NFA item making it into our hands.

[Joelski]

If the HPA passes in its original form there will be no more tax and therefore no excessive fee to transfer an indy registration to a trust. Worth rolling the dice on this one....


Please correct me if I'm wrong ... (again)

My understanding is that NFA items are not "converted" to a trust, but transferred. Technically that is a change of ownership which would require a new $200 stamp even though you own the trust. I believe that is what my Florida Trust lawyer told me. I have two trusts - one Georgia and one Florida. I asked about combining all the items into the Florida trust and he said they would have to be individually transferred - new stamp for each. But that's been a couple of years, and memory fades ...

[mlosi762]

My Alpha just shipped to my FFL/SOT. Please post a review as soon as you get some time with it. Lord, I hope the HPA gets passed sap and cuts my wait short. The hope was nice, and I think it's a slam dunk now, but the suspense is killing me!

Will do. I got muzzle devices for several firearms, as well as the .22 cal muzzle brake cap.

So I plan on running the following through it to see how it does:

AR-15 16" (5.56)
AR-15 pistol 9" (.300 AAC BO)
AR-15 16" (.22LR dedicated upper)
10/22 Take Down (.22LR)
M1A Scout 18" (.308 Win)
M700 20" (.308 Win)

A .300 Win Mag is a planned acquisition at some point in my future too, so it'll be run on that as well.

[mlosi762]

Not too bad then. I got a few Form 4 submissions in June so hopefully next month for me

Yep, just about 8 months exactly. The first few months were the toughest as far as my anticipation went, after that I convinced myself to just forget about it.

[UWone77]

Form 1 Trusts:

LMT SBR
Submitted 6/11/16
Credit Card Charged 6/11/16
Approved 1/19/17


QuarterCircle10 9mm SBR
Submitted 6/11/16
Credit Card Charged 6/11/16
Approved 1/19/17


Mega Arms SBR
Submitted 6/11/16
Credit Card Charged 6/11/16
Approved: 1/19/17

[fledge]

Impressive for form 4s! These are on part with Form 1 approvals.

[UWone77]

Impressive for form 4s! These are on part with Form 1 approvals.

Oops sorry... they are Form 1's. Cut and paste fail on my part.

[tb417]

Sig Mpx Form 1
Mailed 5/26/16
Credit Card charged 6/1/17
Stamp received 1/21/17

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[Deadwing]

288 days door to door (eight and a half months). Not terrible, all things considered.

Type: Form 4/Trust
Item: Suppressor - SilencerCo Hybrid
Submitted: 13 MAY 2016
Approved: 29 JAN 2017
Stamp at dealer: 07 FEB 2017

[Joelski]

0 days would be hugely preferable to 288... Just sayin'.

[UWone77]

I've got 6 stamps around the June 6th (check cashed) time frame to July 1st.

I was guessing 9 months, so looks like that's right on track. I'm hoping because of the lack of submissions after 41F rush, post 41F applications will move much faster.

[Stone]

Submitted and paid form one on 6/22/16 Still waiting...

[fledge]

I've got 6 stamps around the June 6th (check cashed) time frame to July 1st.

I was guessing 9 months, so looks like that's right on track. I'm hoping because of the lack of submissions after 41F rush, post 41F applications will move much faster.

After the rush is processed it should be smooth sailing. May tempt me to make another purchase. But that last minute dump of applications on the ATF may have us seeing approvals from the same submission dates for weeks or not months.

[UWone77]

After the rush is processed it should be smooth sailing. May tempt me to make another purchase. But that last minute dump of applications on the ATF may have us seeing approvals from the same submission dates for weeks or not months.

Thankfully I pushed my last minute Form 4's in before the Silencer Shop 2 Million Dollar submissions. I think 2 others were last minute Form 1's, so I'm not worried about that as Form 1's seem to be moving at 30-45 days faster than their Form 4 counterparts.

[fledge]

I'm in similar boat.

Then we have form 1s and form 4s going into the same process as 41f also eliminated efiling, likely slowing the process even more.

[Deadwing]

0 days would be hugely preferable to 288... Just sayin'.

No doubt about it. But it is what it is. Hopefully the HPA will pass and makes that a reality. And stretching that hope out into fantasy land, maybe even repeal the NFA. But as the saying goes, hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up faster.



I've got 6 stamps around the June 6th (check cashed) time frame to July 1st.

I was guessing 9 months, so looks like that's right on track. I'm hoping because of the lack of submissions after 41F rush, post 41F applications will move much faster.

I've got several Form 1s i'm waiting to file until things settle down a bit. I figure the time spent waiting will be about the same whether i submit them now or wait for the 41P dust to settle, so i might as well keep all that tax stamp money in my pocket instead of giving it to the government to hold on to.

[Stone]

Form one submitted on 6/22/16 approved on 2/22/17[crazy] That's e-filed...

[UWone77]

Form one submitted on 6/22/16 approved on 2/22/17[crazy] That's e-filed...

Ha! Just be happy you got another efile in before 41F.

Good update though, I submitted 2 on July 10th, so getting closer to my last efiles!

[UWone77]

Form 4 Trusts:

Silencerco OMEGA
Submitted 6/1/16
Check Cashed 6/6/16
Approved 3/1/17
Received at Dealer 3/7/17


Silencerco Saker K
Submitted 6/1/16
Check Cashed 6/6/16
Approved 3/1/17
Received at Dealer 3/7/17


Sig Sauer MPX SBR
Submitted 6/6/16
Check Cashed 6/16/16
Approved 3/1/17
Received at Dealer 3/7/17

[eldogg]

This one has been one long wait. I ordered mine thru the Silencer Shop on 6-3. They tell me the check was cashed on 7-3. 300 plus days and still waiting.

[UWone77]

This one has been one long wait. I ordered mine thru the Silencer Shop on 6-3. They tell me the check was cashed on 7-3. 300 plus days and still waiting.

What is it?

I feel your pain. A few years ago I waited 308 days for a Surefire Can. Then on another SF can the Form 3 got lost, screwed up, ect... waited over a YEAR for a Form 3 to be fixed and then go through. At least the ATF expedited by Form 4 in 90 days after that.

[Cotton68spc]

FORM 4 Trust

SILENCERCO HYBRID AND SPECTERE 2

Submitted: 3/11/17

Check Cashed: 3/21/17


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[eldogg]

What is it?

I feel your pain. A few years ago I waited 308 days for a Surefire Can. Then on another SF can the Form 3 got lost, screwed up, ect... waited over a YEAR for a Form 3 to be fixed and then go through. At least the ATF expedited by Form 4 in 90 days after that.

A Griffin M4SDK. My local dealer didn't receive it until Jan. 12th. He has to tease me with a photo text.

[fledge]

Mailed Form 4, June 29.
Stamp at dealer, April 22.

[UWone77]

Mailed Form 4, June 29.
Stamp at dealer, April 22.

I've seen a few first week of July submissions coming back, so it's looking promising for all the pre-41F forms to get done soon.

[fledge]

I was figuring any day now. This is the sandman-s. Still have one efile pending from early July.

[fledge]

Form 1 efile

Submitted 7/8/16
Approved 5/11/17

[UWone77]

Form 1 efile

Submitted 7/8/16
Approved 5/11/17

Very Good!

I've got 2 Efiles left from 7/9 ....hopefully tomorrow or next week.

[fledge]

Sweet. Has your unobtanium CMT 9mm stamp come in yet?

[UWone77]

Sweet. Has your unobtanium CMT 9mm stamp come in yet?

No, it has a July 9th submission date, but the ATF wanted pictures of this gun first, so the pending date got pushed back to August 20th or so.

[UWone77]

Form 4 Trust

Rainier Arms SBR
Submitted 7/10/16
Check Cashed 7/16/16
Approved 5/5/17
Received at Dealer 5/19/17

307 Days or so on this...

[UWone77]

Form 1 Trust

CZ Scorpion SBR
Submitted: 7/9/16
Check Cashed: Credit Card
Pending: 7/16/16
Approved: 5/23/17

A Mere 317 days!

[fledge]

Looking forward to those scorpion pics.

[TENTEX]

3 separate submitted SiCo Hybrids with "submission date" of July 12th 2016

Two were approved and received by SOT/FFL on 05/03/17

Last one (mine) still in process

BATFE said they were currently working on 300,000 applications.

[bash]

[cjd3]

Form 1 Trust Mailed on 7/5/16
Cashed/Pending 7/12/16
Approved 5/17/17 - 309 Days
Received 5/30/17 - 322 Days
its 300 BLK time

[Slippers]

Form 1 sbr eFile 7/11/16
Approved 6/14/17

[BoilerUp]

Form 1 sbr eFile 7/11/16
Approved 6/14/17

41F was 7/13/16, right? So, this tells me they are getting close to working through the pre-41F filings. Isn't the general view that there was a sizeable surge and that we should expect to see wait times start coming back down once they are through that surge? I ask because I am hopeful as I'll be dropping a couple of forms in the coming weeks.

[Joelski]

BATFE said they were currently working on 300,000 applications.

[bash]

Spread out among 35-odd examiners = job security. Is it time for that coffee break yet?

[Joelski]

41F was 7/13/16, right? So, this tells me they are getting close to working through the pre-41F filings. Isn't the general view that there was a sizeable surge and that we should expect to see wait times start coming back down once they are through that surge? I ask because I am hopeful as I'll be dropping a couple of forms in the coming weeks.

It'll be stuck on July for eternity, but yeah, after that's over, the rush went flat and times should improve drastically. If you live that long... [:D]

[fledge]

I'll be tempted to get another can if wait times drops to 6 weeks after the surge is processed. I'm sure the entire suppressor market will see some uptick at that point.

[Slippers]

41F was 7/13/16, right? So, this tells me they are getting close to working through the pre-41F filings. Isn't the general view that there was a sizeable surge and that we should expect to see wait times start coming back down once they are through that surge? I ask because I am hopeful as I'll be dropping a couple of forms in the coming weeks.

Consider that I submitted a different form 1 on June 25 last year and it was approved February 28. 16 day difference in submission added almost 4 more months to the approval time. They're going to be stuck on July for awhile, I would think.

[cjd3]

Spread out among 35-odd examiners = job security. Is it time for that coffee break yet?

My stamp serial number was barely legible, it must be like a signing assembly line.

[alamo5000]

My stamp serial number was barely legible, it must be like a signing assembly line.

Having conducted more than my share of background checks (it was my job before in a previous life) it really makes you wonder exactly how much 'background check' is actually getting done. Probably not a whole lot.

Unless you're dealing with people who are 100% spotless doing a background check is pretty time consuming. For those who are spotless you can have it done in 5 minutes. For others I've seen it take 6-8 weeks before you can unscrew all that stuff. For those who have anything at all... I could only imagine the royal headache somebody up there is having because of this 41F thing.

The system has more holes than swiss cheese. The 'check' is only as good as the database and half the time the database ain't that great.

Basically odds are they are just jumping through hoops as instructed.

[mustangfreek]

41F was 7/13/16, right? So, this tells me they are getting close to working through the pre-41F filings. Isn't the general view that there was a sizeable surge and that we should expect to see wait times start coming back down once they are through that surge? I ask because I am hopeful as I'll be dropping a couple of forms in the coming weeks.

I've been lurking this thread and other places and I'm really curious if wait times will substantially drop once this surge is thru

You would think times will drop a decent amount but how long will that be?

[Joelski]

Most successful companies add employees when work volume increases. Knowing that it's going to take 30-odd examiners forever to get past the mid-July glut of applications, you would think the ATF could put on some interns to help with the processing tasks, but no. What gripes my ass is that I paid a thousand bucks for something I won't be able to hold until God knows when next year, provided I'm still around by then. Sure, it's part of the game and I was aware of the rules when I signed up to play, but does that make it okay? Are you good with it? The manufacturer of my suppressor-to-be has proudly stated they've updated the design. OH FUCKING JOY! I now own (but not yet) an obsolete can... In this game, you can't even enjoy having something new and cool because it'll be several iterations old by the time it gets in your hands. I'm not pissed at the manufacturer for evolving their product; I'm pissed at the tyrannical way in which the Government meddles in the workings of the industry and my lack of freedom, as a law-abiding citizen with a spotless criminal record. :mad:

[eldogg]

Stamp finally arrived.
Ordered thru the Silencer Shop on 07 June 16.
Approved 19 Jun 17.
POSTAGE ON STAMP 21 JUNE
Stamp at dealer today, 24 Jun 17.

[mustangfreek]

Nice, but damn just over a year...[crazy]

[0uTkAsT]

I keep hearing all these stories about 1+ year waits and yet NFA Tracker is showing an average of 7.4 months for Form 4 individuals and 7.1 months for Form 1 individuals right now (I'm only following those two because that's what I'm waiting on personally). Right now my two forms that are pending are both trending several days faster than average in terms of receipt and check cashing dates, but we all know that doesn't mean anything.

[Slippers]

I keep hearing all these stories about 1+ year waits and yet NFA Tracker is showing an average of 7.4 months for Form 4 individuals and 7.1 months for Form 1 individuals right now (I'm only following those two because that's what I'm waiting on personally). Right now my two forms that are pending are both trending several days faster than average in terms of receipt and check cashing dates, but we all know that doesn't mean anything.

Individual forms have been faster for a long time. Who knows how the ATF allocates personnel to individual vs. trust/llc vs. form 1 vs. form 4, but purely from a processing standpoint an individual form 1/4 *should* be faster since they don't have to review a trust or articles of organization.

[Joelski]

Well, that's heartening. Maybe I'll see my can this year.

[0uTkAsT]

Individual forms have been faster for a long time. Who knows how the ATF allocates personnel to individual vs. trust/llc vs. form 1 vs. form 4, but purely from a processing standpoint an individual form 1/4 *should* be faster since they don't have to review a trust or articles of organization.
I'm glad that's true because that's why everyone at my LGS was trying to sway me towards going the individual route this last time. I had always gone the trust route in the past.

[UWone77]

Form 1 Trust

Cross Machine Tool ARMINI 9mm SBR
Submitted: 7/11/16
Check Cashed: 7/20/16
Pending: 8/7/16
Approved: 6/30/17

[fledge]

Form 1 Trust

Cross Machine Tool ARMINI 9mm SBR
Submitted: 7/11/16
Check Cashed: 7/20/16
Pending: 8/7/16
Approved: 6/30/17

Congrats!

[UWone77]

Congrats!

Well I'm not as excited. I'm still missing parts.
3789

[fledge]

Geeeez! Are these ambi parts not the same as the ones on CMT's other lowers?

[Pyzik]

Well I'm not as excited. I'm still missing parts.
3789
Ugh, can't wait to see that!!

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[alamo5000]

Griffin Recce 5 and Recce 7 order placed with Silencer Shop 8/4/2017 via credit card.

Trust was used for the first time under the new post 41F method.

I was going to get a .22 can too but out of stock.

[cjd3]

Griffin Recce 5 and Recce 7 order placed with Silencer Shop 8/4/2017 via credit card.

Trust was used for the first time under the new post 41F method.

I was going to get a .22 can too but out of stock.
So you're saying there's a chance... October

[UWone77]

Form 4 Trust

My first Post 41F

Zenith MP5 SBR
Submitted: 9/20/16
Check Cashed: 9/29/16
Pending:
Approved: 8/3/17

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Jelly of that MP5!


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[BoilerUp]

Form 4 Trust

My first Post 41F

Zenith MP5 SBR
Submitted: 9/20/16
Check Cashed: 9/29/16
Pending:
Approved: 8/3/17

Farq that's a long wait, but a good sign. A few weeks ago they were still processing July 2016 (pre-41F) submissions, so, roughly speaking, they've worked through two months of post-41F submissions in about a month.

[alamo5000]

Griffin Recce 5 and Recce 7 order placed with Silencer Shop 8/4/2017 via credit card.

Trust was used for the first time under the new post 41F method.

I was going to get a .22 can too but out of stock.

Check for both cashed 8/20

[UWone77]

Farq that's a long wait, but a good sign. A few weeks ago they were still processing July 2016 (pre-41F) submissions, so, roughly speaking, they've worked through two months of post-41F submissions in about a month.

I've already seen October Approvals now, and not like early Oct, but mid.

Figured since for a lot of dealers, sales didn't just slow post 41F, they basically stopped, so times are really speeding up now.

[Joelski]

Using that math, I am hoping February dates start popping up in two months.

[UWone77]

Submitting 2 more for a Sandman K and Saker tomorrow. Hopefully this gets down to less than 6 months.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Just saw on my local forum that BigWaylon from arfcom said he's seeing form 1 individual getting approved 8/28 with a 2/1 mail in date.

That escalated quickly... lol


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[UWone77]

Just saw on my local forum that BigWaylon from arfcom said he's seeing form 1 individual getting approved 8/28 with a 2/1 mail in date.

That escalated quickly... lol


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I also heard the ATF grabbed the forms off the wrong pile, and some July people who haven't received their approvals are pissed. LOL

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I also heard the ATF grabbed the forms off the wrong pile, and some July people who haven't received their approvals are pissed. LOL

That sounds about right. Good ol ATF, I wondered why it jumped so quickly? I mean I know that times are supposed to speed up but yea.. no..


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[Dstrbdmedic167]

Double

[Joelski]

Hope to hell mine wasn't in the piss-off stack!

[Joelski]

Stamp received at dealer yesterday.

Submitted: 2/6
Card charged: 2/11
Approved: 9/26
Stamp at SOT: 10/2

F'n FINALLY!

[UWone77]

Stamp received at dealer yesterday.

Submitted 2/17
Card charged 2/21

Fn FINALLY!

Assuming Individual?

[Joelski]

Indy/paper. Hell, SiCo had one go through in ten days!

[BoilerUp]

Seems like post 41F Trust submissions aren't really moving :mad:

[cjd3]

Seems like post 41F Trust submissions aren't really moving :mad:

Especially Trusts (18 days from 1 year :()

[UWone77]

Translation: ATF doesn’t want you to use a trust

[Joelski]

They'd love you to use a trust. Especially if you pay $400 to do it!

[UWone77]

Got 2 back in the mail today. Thought one would be returned for corrections (After I mailed them together I forgot I only included 1 copy of my trust vs 1 copy for each application) Surprisingly both were approved. They must have taken pity on me. 350 days from Check Cashing to Approval:

Form 1 Trust

Mega Arms GTR-3H SBR
Submitted: 10/25/16
Check Cashed: 10/31/16
Pending:
Approved: 10/6/17
Arrived in the Mail 10/16/17



Omega MP5K SBR
Submitted: 10/25/16
Check Cashed: 10/31/16
Pending:
Approved: 10/6/17
Arrived in the Mail: 10/16/17

[mustangfreek]

Damn near a year...wow..so there still working on stuff about a year out it looks like...damn

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Dead Air Sandman K and Wolf 9SD purchased on 11/2/17

PDW Form 1 - 11/3/17

[Former11B]

Damn near a year...wow..so there still working on stuff about a year out it looks like...damn

My dealer said individual forms are between 90 - 120 days for him right now.

[Joelski]

One theory as to why mine went through relatively quickly: My dealer is a "Powered by" Silencer Shop franchise. Maybe they go into a different stack and people prefer to work on them because they're known error-free?

[gatordev]

I think it really has to depend on how big the trust is. If there's only one responsible person, then it's a matter of checking the legality of the trust (however long that takes), and then the background check. If you have lots of responsible persons, it's going to take longer per body.

I'm seeing some trusts coming back faster than a year on NFA Tracker now, but we don't know the if those are single person documents or not, so we don't have all the data.

Add to all of that the reduced amount of paperwork now that the bulk of 41F have been processed. You can see the the wait times starting to come crashing down on NFA Tracker already.