Transfer Times [Archive] - Page 6

Joelski

5 June 2020, 14:56

Ahhh....waiting sux...

Um..45 days into my first wait....

Told ya to quit looking at your calendar and forget you own it. Before you know it, it'll be time to go pick it up. Keep watching the pot and you're going to have a long (minimum) ten months.

mustangfreek

6 June 2020, 18:52

Told ya to quit looking at your calendar and forget you own it. Before you know it, it'll be time to go pick it up. Keep watching the pot and you're going to have a long (minimum) ten months.

I know..I know....lol

Every time I see this thread pop up, a calculator goes off in my head...
Well I made it worse or better as I Esigned for a 22 can yesterday..lol

I’ve been hustling and horse trading as now I’m hooked and I haven’t got my first one..lol..
556 K can next or the new yhm R9 (once released)..[BD]

UWone77

6 June 2020, 19:46

Look at it this way, stamps will probably get approved sooner than they're building my Dakota Tactical. Been waiting 33 weeks now. 232 days. Which is funny because my house construction time is approximately 240 days.

BoilerUp

8 June 2020, 22:09

Finally got the call from Rainier that my stamp is in for my Surefire SOCOM RC2

Form 4, Trust
Papers sent in on 7/28/2019
Check Cashed 8/8/2019
Approved 4/21/2020
Stamp at dealer 6/6/2020

314 days of waiting. Will see if I can make it to Rainier tomorrow to pick it up.

But it is actually worse:
Ordered from Botach on 3/22/2019
Botach requests FFL for xfer on 4/16/2019
Had to speak to Botach again on 5/9 for status update as their NFA group dropped the ball on the Form 3
Shipped from Botach to Rainier on 6/20/2019
Received at Rainier on 6/26/2019
Rainier acknowledged receipt on 7/16/2019

So, add 116 days from order until the item received at local dealer.

Total time from order placed to stamp at dealer: 442 days

Edited to add approval date to timeline

Joelski

9 June 2020, 03:57

That stuff you buy from Botach because you can't find it anywhere else?

They don't have it either.

[:D]

UWone77

9 June 2020, 08:03

Arms Unlimited is my usual go-to for SF cans. Literally sent the Form 3 in the same day I ordered. Arrived at Rainier the next week.

First SF can I thought from a dealer online, forms got lost multiple times, over 2 years later I got the stamp. Now that was a fiasco.

mustangfreek

9 June 2020, 12:51

Ouch..

Kinda on topic.. filing a eform 1/individual for sbr, I only need to send in 2 sets of prints and cover letter/info to nfa and cover letter copy to Cleo?

BoilerUp

9 June 2020, 19:21

Finally got the call from Rainier that my stamp is in for my Surefire SOCOM RC2

Form 4, Trust
Papers sent in on 7/28/2019
Check Cashed 8/8/2019
Stamp at dealer 6/6/2020

314 days of waiting. Will see if I can make it to Rainier tomorrow to pick it up.

But it is actually worse:
Ordered from Botach on 3/22/2019
Botach requests FFL for xfer on 4/16/2019
Had to speak to Botach again on 5/9 for status update as their NFA group dropped the ball on the Form 3
Shipped from Botach to Rainier on 6/20/2019
Received at Rainier on 6/26/2019
Rainier acknowledged receipt on 7/16/2019

So, add 116 days from order until the item received at local dealer.

Total time from order placed to stamp at dealer: 442 days

Picked up the can. Stamp was approved/issued on 4/21/2020, so about 45 days to receive the stamp after approval. That's ridiculous.

fairlanericky

11 June 2020, 15:41

Yes.

Ric

VIPER 237

11 June 2020, 19:13

E-Filed - form one for my scar on 05/13/2020, and got the approval email last night 06/09/2020

mustangfreek

11 June 2020, 19:57

Yes.

Ric

Not sure who your answering? Me?

I made a acct for efile 6 years ago and I’m finally gonna use it...

...once I figure out exactly wtf I’m doing..[BD]..Cleo? My county sheriff?..

mustangfreek

11 June 2020, 19:57

E-Filed - form one for my scar on 05/13/2020, and got the approval email last night 06/09/2020

Nice!

Was that a trust or individual? “Heard” the latter are taking longer for some reason

BoilerUp

11 June 2020, 20:14

Not sure who your answering? Me?

I made a acct for efile 6 years ago and I’m finally gonna use it...

...once I figure out exactly wtf I’m doing..[BD]..Cleo? My county sheriff?..

That e-file system was designed by an idiot.

IIRC, you can chose whoever you want. DOJ, State Police, sheriff, local municipality if you are in city limits. My last one went to Bob Ferguson's office.

Agency: DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Name/title: BOB FERGUSON, ATTORNEY GERNERAL
Address: 1125 WASHINGTON ST SE OLYMPIA, WA 98504

UWone77

11 June 2020, 22:26

Not sure who your answering? Me?

I made a acct for efile 6 years ago and I’m finally gonna use it...

...once I figure out exactly wtf I’m doing..[BD]..Cleo? My county sheriff?..

Send it to the Sheriff.

WSP, AG's Office has been sending them back to people and referring them to your local Sheriff.

BoilerUp

12 June 2020, 07:35

Send it to the Sheriff.

WSP, AG's Office has been sending them back to people and referring them to your local Sheriff.

That happened to the first one I sent to the AG but I think they stopped doing that. The ATF says I have to notify an agency, not handle their mail.

That said, I think some enterprising government employee finally realized it takes as much effort to forward the notifications to a different agency as it does to return them to sender.

gatordev

12 June 2020, 09:03

Nice!

Was that a trust or individual? “Heard” the latter are taking longer for some reason

It doesn't really matter. eForm 1s are quick by the very nature of how the system is designed.

UWone77

12 June 2020, 11:22

That happened to the first one I sent to the AG but I think they stopped doing that. The ATF says I have to notify an agency, not handle their mail.

That said, I think some enterprising government employee finally realized it takes as much effort to forward the notifications to a different agency as it does to return them to sender.

I got a slew of them back, so I just sent it to the Sheriff.

VIPER 237

12 June 2020, 13:53

Nice!

Was that a trust or individual? “Heard” the latter are taking longer for some reason

Individual. My ex wife is on my trust and she’s well not very cooperative about things...

mustangfreek

13 June 2020, 21:53

Thanx guys.

Deadwing

3 July 2020, 18:26

Barrett QDL
Form 4 Trust via Silencer Shop
Submitted: 8/27/19
Approved:5/20/20
At Dealer:6/13/20

A couple weeks shy of 10 months door to door.

UWone77

3 July 2020, 18:45

Barrett QDL
Form 4 Trust via Silencer Shop
Submitted: 8/27/19
Approved:5/20/20
At Dealer:6/13/20

A couple weeks shy of 10 months door to door.

Dude that's a beast. I'd love to see some shooting videos!

Deadwing

4 July 2020, 03:52

Dude that's a beast. I'd love to see some shooting videos!

I'll try to get some video next time i take it out!

alamo5000

9 July 2020, 11:24

Purchased today 6/5/20
Rugged Occulus rimfire can and Griffin Explorr 30 7.62 can.

Sent in new pictures, awaiting to e-sign.

Edit: Esigned the documents 6/9

Checks cashed 7/7/2020. Almost a whole month from signing to cashing.

Based on the history listed in SS' website I think they are doing the form 3 and waiting until that's completed before sending in the Form 4.

mustangfreek

9 July 2020, 12:03

Huh

I signed for a 22 can from silencer shop the day before that and the check was cashed in 8 days..Previous One from SS was 7 days to cashed..who knows..

There times are so hard to even try to follow or guess..

UWone77

12 July 2020, 05:57

First Form 4's of 2020

AEM5 Suppressor
Submitted 01-27-2020
Check Cashed 02-03-2020
Pending.....

Just got a call on 7-10 about the AEM5 approval.

165 days. That's the fastest Form 4 I've ever had approved.

gatordev

12 July 2020, 06:54

Another one? Or is that your first?

Joelski

12 July 2020, 11:30

Individual. My ex wife is on my trust and she’s well not very cooperative about things...

Can you not change that in your state? Where I live, the principal can edit in or out as they see fit.

UWone77

12 July 2020, 14:45

Another one? Or is that your first?

First one. I only have 1 rifle with the Ops Collar. Might have to do a Mod-1ish after seeing yours posted repeatedly. That KAC rail is growing on me. Maybe do a Centurion MK12 upper.

mustangfreek

12 July 2020, 16:12

Nice.

I assume approved with no stamp yet?

Which seem to be taking a month or so to get to dealers..the actual stamps

gatordev

12 July 2020, 16:29

First one. I only have 1 rifle with the Ops Collar. Might have to do a Mod-1ish after seeing yours posted repeatedly. That KAC rail is growing on me. Maybe do a Centurion MK12 upper.

If starting from scratch, I'd roll with a NSW RECCE. The MK12 MOD 1 is a neat kind of sexy, but the RECCE is way more usable. I have all the parts to build one (minus a M4 Ops collar), I just can't bring myself to do it since I already can't shoot what I have enough...made even worse with the ammo situation.

UWone77

14 July 2020, 15:30

If starting from scratch, I'd roll with a NSW RECCE. The MK12 MOD 1 is a neat kind of sexy, but the RECCE is way more usable. I have all the parts to build one (minus a M4 Ops collar), I just can't bring myself to do it since I already can't shoot what I have enough...made even worse with the ammo situation.

You know I never considered the NSW RECCE. I like the idea of a 16 vs the 18.

So I stopped in at Rainier. Got both Stamps back at 165 days. The Surefire SOCOM Mini and the AEM5.

Submitted 1-27-2020
Approved 6-27-2020
At Dealer 07-10-2020

154 days till approval.

gatordev

14 July 2020, 15:53

You can even cheat and just get a C4 NSW Recce and save time. But either way, I'm sure you won't be disappointed if you go the C4 route.

But if you do track down a AEM M4 collar (not a MK12 collar), let me know. I'd like to have one for future use.

BoilerUp

14 July 2020, 17:44

Got both Stamps back at 165 days. The Surefire SOCOM Mini and the AEM5.

Submitted 1-27-2020
Approved 6-27-2020
At Dealer 07-10-2020

154 days till approval.

Wait..what? Form 4 Trust?

UWone77

15 July 2020, 09:07

Wait..what? Form 4 Trust?

Correct Form 4 Trust. Buddy of mine got his back at Rainier the same day as I did, but he filed on 5/29/19... ouch.

UWone77

15 July 2020, 09:08

Been seeing this posted today, some with photos of the disapproval posted.

The ATF is rejecting all 3rd party Form 1 submissions back to April of this year. So that means all of your Silencer Shop Form 1's are being kicked back. Hope that doesn't affect anyone here.

BoilerUp

15 July 2020, 11:02

Correct Form 4 Trust. Buddy of mine got his back at Rainier the same day as I did, but he filed on 5/29/19... ouch.

That's interesting, as I just got a stamp back about 5 weeks ago that was ~10 months in the queue. I wonder if some got worked out of sequence or if this is indicative of a reduction in overall process times.

cjd3

19 July 2020, 13:14

Form 1 eFile Trust approved (self submitted)
Submitted 6/29/2020
Approved 7/19/2020
20 Days

BoilerUp

19 July 2020, 22:38

Form 1 eFile Trust approved (self submitted)
Submitted 6/29/2020
Approved 7/19/2020
20 Days

That reminds me that I need to see if the local PD is doing prints again yet. I have a few things I'd like to Form 1.

Aragorn

10 September 2020, 10:40

Rugged Radiant 7.62 Suppressor
Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 9/10/2020
Approved:

alamo5000

10 September 2020, 13:10

Rugged Radiant 7.62 Suppressor
Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 9/10/2020
Approved:

WOOOHOO!!! You did the thing!

Aragorn

11 September 2020, 08:56

WOOOHOO!!! You did the thing!

Ha. Yeah.

mustangfreek

11 September 2020, 13:46

I see this thread and numbers appear...lol

180 days in on the first.......ehhhh this sux....[crazy]

Aragorn

11 September 2020, 15:32

You’re at 180 days right now? I have no idea how long to expect with the way things are right now.

mustangfreek

8 October 2020, 10:59

Ok..actually get to post up info in here now.. :)

Kinda forgot about them..sorta..and Been really busy finishing up my house remodel/paint/roof/ everything and haven’t shot much this summer at all. Thought about calling last week to check up..as I did about 2 months ago. Called today and 2 are pending still and 1 approved

Bought 3/20
Approved 9/28

Waiting for stamp now...ugh this first one is brutal..lol..

BoilerUp

8 October 2020, 17:47

mustangfreek

9 October 2020, 03:08

Individual
Ya everything has been hit or miss in the suppressor world this year. I missed the first batch of R9’s but hoping I can snag one soonish
This is addicting..[BD]

UWone77

9 October 2020, 17:58

Individual
Ya everything has been hit or miss in the suppressor world this year. I missed the first batch of R9’s but hoping I can snag one soonish
This is addicting..[BD]

LOL, first can.... not even in hand.... and already addicted!

mustangfreek

10 October 2020, 05:29

Lol..

Well I can see I need a pistol can and another rim fire at least...

UWone77

10 October 2020, 13:07

10 years ago, I got an AAC M4-1000. I wonder what cans will be like again in 2030.

UWone77

20 October 2020, 09:43

Originally, I was going to do paperwork on an AAC Mini4 back in Feb, ended up putting it off because I forgot about it. Was at Rainier until May when I finally did my Form 4. May 28th the check was cashed, got a call yesterday the stamp was at the store.

145 days since check cashing. Not too bad. Haven't picked it up yet, so I'm curious to see what the date is for approval.

ETA... Looking at the paperwork, I signed the Form on 5-11-2020, it was approved on 09-22-2020, so 134 days. Not too shabby!

mustangfreek

27 October 2020, 00:51

Nice, I got one pending in that same area

Finally #1 is in hand

Bought from SS 3-18 - individual l- Yhm R2
Check cashed 4-23
Approved 9-28
Stamp At dealer/in hand 10-21

Just over 200 days from the buy now click till in hand. Excited and annoyed by this process..

cjd3

26 November 2020, 10:30

Omega 36M in hand this week
136 days from cashing
26 days for the stamp
It will be a quiet holiday.

alamo5000

4 January 2021, 14:51

Got a call today to pick up both of my suppressors. Roughly 180 days from cashing the check until I can have them in hand.

Rugged Occulus rimfire can and Griffin Explorr 30 cal. I guess both were approved together.

Aragorn

29 January 2021, 10:17

Guess we’ll see how long a Form 1 E-file is taking these days.

Form 1 E-File
Submitted: 1/29/2021
Approved:

Rugged Radiant 7.62 Suppressor
Form 4 Trust
Submitted: 9/10/2020
Approved:

mustangfreek

29 January 2021, 15:01

Nice! I just recently got back my first efile stamp..woohoo..

I had mine come back in 24 days during the holiday while lost thru usps for 19 days of that (for realz..nice job USPS) and last form 4 took 132 days..

So here’s to hoping it’s soon for ya!!

Aragorn

29 January 2021, 15:06

Man I hope. By those numbers my suppressor should be getting out of jail soon as well.

alamo5000

29 January 2021, 16:24

Man I hope. By those numbers my suppressor should be getting out of jail soon as well.

What are you building on a form 1?

Aragorn

29 January 2021, 16:58

What are you building on a form 1?

Gonna SBR my all out build.

...really need to update that thread...

Big_Tom

8 April 2021, 09:05

First can

Sandman-S

Submited 4-6-2021

Form4 Trust

Check Cashed 4-29-2021

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

mustangfreek

8 April 2021, 10:06

Nice

I’m gonna guess around Halloween u get the call..

Aragorn

18 June 2021, 17:58

UWone77

18 June 2021, 18:27

Got a question for those who have e-filed. I got a notice of approval for my SBR via email on 6/10, but no stamp in the mail yet. This is my first stamp to clear, is it going to come via snail mail or is this something I’ll need to print out from the eForms’s website?

They usually attach a copy of the stamp to the email.

However, if it's not on there, log into your account and your approved stamps should all be there.

I have had a few instances where it was delayed a few days for no apparent reason. Once I just emailed the examiner and he sent me the stamp within 24 hours.

mustangfreek

19 June 2021, 05:01

Efile will only get you a pdf file for the stamp.No actual physical stamp this way. Print it out as need be.

Mine and most phones I’ve heard won’t show the atf/pdf file on your phone , I had to use my laptop to get it saved etc.

Congrats on the first efile. How long was the wait?

Aragorn

19 June 2021, 08:05

Ah, thanks for the heads up gents. I’ve been checking my mailbox daily wondering where the hell it was, as one wasn’t attached to my email. I haven’t logged back in because, frankly, anything involving that website is way more of a PITA than it should be.

Wait time was right around 9 weeks.

Now I just need my suppressor to clear!

Joelski

19 June 2021, 09:30

You should be able to get the Adobe .pdf reader app for your phone to be able to view your stamp. Best thing to do is print that and your trust, it's listed on one and stash them in both your case/range bag and on the weapon itself. I keep mine stashed in one of the tubes on the B5 stock, or in the vert, grip, whatever has a place to store stuff. It's good insurance against anybody ever asking for your paperwork, but I've heard a lot of ranges will ask to see it; another reason I'm glad I don't have to shoot at ranges only.

mustangfreek

20 June 2021, 04:33

Lol..ranges know the rules.

Only ATF agents are allowed to ask you to see your info... If your not an aft agent..pound sand

Joelski

10 December 2021, 19:03

eForm 1 submitted 12/10/2021

Card billed immediately because, money!

Approved: 1/26/2022

33 business days.

BoilerUp

10 December 2021, 19:36

Form 1 submitted 12/10/2021

Let's see how long this one takes.

I just missed it. SS mailed my Form 4 on 12/02/2021, so I bet you get yours back several months before mine.

mustangfreek

11 December 2021, 03:14

I just missed it. SS mailed my Form 4 on 12/02/2021, so I bet you get yours back several months before mine.

That’s weird, I docusigned on the 29th and emailed them asking what mine was doing and got a reply, saying it’s in the pile to e filed.

BoilerUp

11 December 2021, 06:20

That’s weird, I docusigned on the 29th and emailed them asking what mine was doing and got a reply, saying it’s in the pile to e filed.

My order was placed on the 11/16 so I was about 2 weeks ahead of you.

mustangfreek

12 December 2021, 03:18

Damn

Well I’ll be in the first bunch from SS , so we’ll see.

I’ll post up some info as I know it. Says it won’t go fully live till the 21st

Joelski

12 December 2021, 08:41

I just missed it. SS mailed my Form 4 on 12/02/2021, so I bet you get yours back several months before mine.

Since mine's a Form 1 SBR, I'm hoping to hell it's a 2-3 week turnaround like I've been seeing all over the internet.

Joelski

16 December 2021, 04:13

Question for the pros: how long from the time I submitted my Eforms-1 til they contact me to send my print cards? I filed last Friday evening. Thanks!

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

BoilerUp

16 December 2021, 06:30

Question for the pros: how long from the time I submitted my Eforms-1 til they contact me to send my print cards? I filed last Friday evening. Thanks!

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

I just checked my files and the two e-Form Form 1s I did generated a confirmation email from the ATF with the fingerprint form as a PDF attachment on the same or next day. So, check your spam folder and be sure to read all the attachments to the emails they send. Note that the body of the confirmation email did not mention anything about the prints, but the attachments included the submitted Form 1 as well as a cover letter to print and include with your prints. Given you only have 10 business days, you should probably call them.

Joelski

16 December 2021, 13:00

Fuck me! I'll be damned if it wasn't with the draft copy I got back that damn night!

Joelski

16 December 2021, 14:01

Okay, tragedy averted. It's in the mail, priority deliver Monday. Depending on the math skills in West By-God, that should be day 5 or 6. [:D]

Thanks for the reply! I saved the response from my phone and didn't see the cover letter as an attachment in the small screen.

BoilerUp

16 December 2021, 16:32

Cool. Glad you got it sorted out.

gatordev

18 December 2021, 12:52

I sent in prints and they didn't make it until after the 10 day mark one time. Stamp still issued. You should be fine. Same as you, I didn't see the PDF when I got the draft. I did call the NFA Branch to ask, but I didn't get the impression they put any comment in my file that it would be late.

Joelski

18 December 2021, 18:03

That's comforting. I'm really hopeful it makes it in well before the 10 day limit. Do they count the time it arrived, or does it get marked receieved when the examiner picks it up? That will be the deciding factor, as I believe I have 5 business days left starting Monday, which is when it' due to arrive. I know I shouldn't leave it up to chance, but I don't want to be a pest about it, either. This was much simpler when it took effing forever to get your stamp approved! :D

mustangfreek

19 December 2021, 00:48

Ya
I had a set take 3 weeks last year in the USPS debacle..stamp showed up a week later

gatordev

19 December 2021, 06:34

Joelski

19 January 2022, 16:46

28 business days and counting... Hoping this Friday is the magic day with the joy.

Joelski

26 January 2022, 11:27

33 and done. wOOt!

mustangfreek

27 January 2022, 09:17

Back ordered 10/13
In stock at SS and docusigned 11/23
At dealer 12/7
...waiting...
Bug FFL about “certify” crap
1/25 , go in and “certify “
That night, get home and look at email/form
Well serial number is not their and “other” country is marked, even though I clicked US , and it says WA right below..
;(
So email SS as FFL was told this after being on hold half the day, as he says 34 out of his first 90 efile/can forms have problems..

At this point I’m getting F’ing annoyed , and still laughing at this process of stupidly..

To be continued...

Big_Tom

27 February 2022, 12:25

First can

Sandman-S

Submited 4-6-2021

Form4 Trust

Check Cashed 4-29-2021

Sent from my SM-G975U using TapatalkNo suppressor yet looks like wait time have gone way up to 350-365 days avg

Sent from my SM-G986U1 using Tapatalk

BoilerUp

27 February 2022, 14:41

Any updates from anyone using e-File for Form 4s? Have they worked the bugs out of the system yet?

gatordev

28 February 2022, 10:57

Just got a paper Form 4 back:

Cashed 3/5/21
Approved 12/7/21
Received ~12/15/21

9 months isn't bad for the time. I only just got the paperwork due to the FFL being closed due to on-going family stuff.

mustangfreek

1 March 2022, 08:09

Any updates from anyone using e-File for Form 4s? Have they worked the bugs out of the system yet?

Phuck

If you’ve been following my mess. Docusigned in November, finally into system and certified on the 20th of January.
Got the submitted whisk that night, took a look at the completed form, somehow mine and a half dozen others from same ffl, somehow the system clicked the “not a citizen” box.

Wtf.
Ffl was on hold for 2 days and could t get answer
SS didn’t email me back for over a month
Should be gtg
Just pinged the ask the experts last nite and got a quick reply

“ Your application currently states that you are a non-citizen.

Unfortunately, once an eform application is submitted no changes can be made. The application will need to be disapproved or withdrawn then refunded so you can resubmit.

To withdraw an application please submit a signed letter outlining your request to withdraw, your letter should be dated and include all applicant information, a copy of the submitted form is also helpful to verify your application.
“

Phuckers

So annoyed. Bought it back in October and it was clearly their systems glitch, it says WA state and correct address and zip below

UWone77

1 March 2022, 10:26

Phuck

If you’ve been following my mess. Docusigned in November, finally into system and certified on the 20th of January.
Got the submitted whisk that night, took a look at the completed form, somehow mine and a half dozen others from same ffl, somehow the system clicked the “not a citizen” box.

Wtf.
Ffl was on hold for 2 days and could t get answer
SS didn’t email me back for over a month
Should be gtg
Just pinged the ask the experts last nite and got a quick reply

“ Your application currently states that you are a non-citizen.

Unfortunately, once an eform application is submitted no changes can be made. The application will need to be disapproved or withdrawn then refunded so you can resubmit.

To withdraw an application please submit a signed letter outlining your request to withdraw, your letter should be dated and include all applicant information, a copy of the submitted form is also helpful to verify your application.
“

Phuckers

So annoyed. Bought it back in October and it was clearly their systems glitch, it says WA state and correct address and zip below

Like 6 years ago I had an FFL screw up a form and it basically took 2 years to get it straightened out. Had to wait for a rejection, and resubmission. Hopefully you get a faster turnaround.

BoilerUp

3 March 2022, 14:01

Form 1 e-file (trust) 3/3/2022

prints going out same day.

What a pain that system is. I wasted a ton of time just with the RPQ Form and not having the right version of Adobe. Then the ATF threw me off by requiring a picture of the engraving...that's new since my last electronic file

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gPrXZ85/0/1ab16e56/O/i-gPrXZ85.jpg

alamo5000

3 March 2022, 14:42

A picture of the engraving? I'm assuming you were form 1ing an SBR.

I've always been told to NOT to engrave until it comes back approved...

BoilerUp

3 March 2022, 15:00

A picture of the engraving? I'm assuming you were form 1ing an SBR.

I've always been told to NOT to engrave until it comes back approved...

Correct. I had already engraved the lower as I threw in an extra lower receiver when I did my last batch of engraving. The only reason it took me this long to submit is my usual place for fingerprints has been shut down since COVID.

BoilerUp

4 March 2022, 10:48

I think I was actually supposed to take a picture of the manufacturer's engraving so they could ensure it matched the data on the forms.

Are you all seeing what the ATF is doing with Form 1s for suppressors? They are starting to deny them all based on the circular logic that if you are in position of parts to manufacture a suppressor and you are filing a Form 1 then you have parts + intent so those parts should have been transferred on a Form 4 as suppressor parts. This while wait times on Form 4s are getting close to a year now.

On the up side, I am reading that some folks who had more than one Form 4 submitted are getting multiples back at the same time as the AFT appears to be "batching" the processing.

mustangfreek

6 March 2022, 01:21

It better not be 2 years..I might not be in this state by then..

Heard back from “ the experts” lol
That I had to make and write up a letter to withdraw my own submission..so I chicken scratched some stuff down on paper and uploaded it.

Just to wait to start over again...

He/they even acknowledged they have been seeing a lot of these with the same problem.. ;(

So...

mustangfreek

19 March 2022, 04:11

Dumb update..lol

Since last post, replied back to aft goons same day asking how, when would I know my made up letter would be accepted etc.

Heard back Thursday it was taken in, whatever that means , and it should be withdrawn “soon”

Fuck..as I see some starting to trickle thru approved now...So still haven’t been able to “recertify” to get the ball rolling...again

145 ish days and getting nowhere...

UWone77

7 April 2022, 19:16

alamo5000

7 April 2022, 19:29

Has anyone seen any eForm 4s being approved yet?

Wondering if it's been long enough to establish an average time yet.

Big_Tom

7 April 2022, 19:34

I got 4 stamps back today. Notified last week they were in. I won't bore you guys with specifics, but 3 were submitted 7/14/21 and 1 submitted 8/23/21. All stamps approved 3/21/22

243 and 210 days respectively.

Not too bad relatively speaking compared to previous years.You're the second person that got stamps back that were cashed in mid July.

I'm still waiting on mine with cashed date of April.

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iflyskyhigh

7 April 2022, 19:38

Has anyone seen any eForm 4s being approved yet?

Wondering if it's been long enough to establish an average time yet.

I’ve had a hard time getting any cold hard data.

I’ve heard a couple rumors here and there of 30 days, but haven’t been able to confirm.

I submitted one March 15, so I’ll let you know as soon as it comes in.

They said I’ll be notified by email when it’s approved, like my Form 1’s in the past. Digital stamp and all.

My last four cans were paper submitted 2/2021. Received the stamps and cans 2/2022. Little over 365 days.

My last eform was for a couple SBRs back in 2015 right before rule change. Took almost a year to get those back.

Let’s hope the new and improved eforms is faster as promised.

Joelski

8 April 2022, 16:06

They definitely make you pay dearly to have your treasure in a trust. Money is nothing compared to time.

Big_Tom

8 April 2022, 16:32

They definitely make you pay dearly to have your treasure in a trust. Money is nothing compared to time.Ain't that the truth.

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UWone77

24 April 2022, 19:10

I got 4 stamps back today. Notified last week they were in. I won't bore you guys with specifics, but 3 were submitted 7/14/21 and 1 submitted 8/23/21. All stamps approved 3/21/22

243 and 210 days respectively.

Not too bad relatively speaking compared to previous years.

On a side note, when I got home with the cans, I noticed that I got 2 308 cans instead of 1 308 and 1 9mm Rex Silentium Can. Rainier had grabbed 2 308 cans and their serial numbers. At least the forms are correct, even if the order isn't. Here goes to 9 month waiting again.

alamo5000

24 April 2022, 19:31

On a side note, when I got home with the cans, I noticed that I got 2 308 cans instead of 1 308 and 1 9mm Rex Silentium Can. Rainier had grabbed 2 308 cans and their serial numbers. At least the forms are correct, even if the order isn't. Here goes to 9 month waiting again.

That sucks.

On another note though I saw several people getting stamps back around the 90 day mark.

BoilerUp

4 May 2022, 12:59

SBR e-Form 1, Trust.

Submitted on 3/3/2022
Approved/received 5/4/2022

Not bad.

iflyskyhigh

4 May 2022, 13:39

SBR e-Form 1, Trust.

Submitted on 3/3/2022
Approved/received 5/4/2022

Not bad.

I was 3/29. Hopefully right behind you.

UWone77

25 June 2022, 20:17

A quick e-form update, submitted 5 stamps via Form 1 online on 6/14. 4 were approved on 6/23, pretty impressive. 1 was kicked back and rejected because I had accidentally attached the wrong responsible person's form. Instead of asking me to attach the correct one, they started the refund process and made me start over.

Submitted 2 cards for all 5 stamps, they still have no issue with this.

Joelski

26 June 2022, 07:37

Assuming SBR, did you file them with a trust? If so, holy crap!

UWone77

26 June 2022, 13:26

Assuming SBR, did you file them with a trust? If so, holy crap!

Yes, a trust and all SBR's.

Are they even allowing anymore Form 1 suppressors? I haven't kept up, always wanted to do one, but didn't they shut that down?

BoilerUp

14 October 2022, 10:08

Form 4, Trust, Paper
Submitted 9/21/2021
Approved 9/30/2022
Stamp at Dealer 10/12/2022

Former11B

14 October 2022, 11:14

Form 4, Trust, Paper
Submitted 9/21/2021
Approved 9/30/2022
Stamp at Dealer 10/12/2022

Ughhhh

I don’t think I’m gonna get my Nomad before hunting season ends

Pending 11/29 F4 Individual. [BD]

Aragorn

15 October 2022, 15:19

I just inquired about times at my LGS (waiting on a suppressor) and they told me everything is sitting around 7 mo. for them.

BoilerUp

10 November 2022, 21:51

Form 4, Trust, Paper
Submitted 12/2/2021
Approved 10/26/2022
Stamp at Dealer 11/8/2022

I submitted just a few weeks before the e-file went live. Former11B, did you get yours back yet?

UWone77

11 November 2022, 11:16

alamo5000

11 November 2022, 11:45

I see we are back to the old timelines. I was hopeful in 2020 when I got a stamp back in 134 days, then earler this year 230ish day timeline, back to almost a year sucks.

I've got 2 F4's pending from the summer and I just filled one out for the B&T TP9 can. eh..... here's to 2023.

I am not holding out hope that they will get any faster. I am still waiting on my tax refund that I filed over eight months ago.

Former11B

14 November 2022, 06:35

Form 4, Trust, Paper
Submitted 12/2/2021
Approved 10/26/2022
Stamp at Dealer 11/8/2022

I submitted just a few weeks before the e-file went live. Former11B, did you get yours back yet?

Yes and no

It was actually approved 11/2/22 but hasn’t arrived at the dealer yet. The holidays are going to delay it if it doesn’t arrive this week

ETA, got the call at lunch

Form 4, paper, individual
Nomad LT
Purchased: 11/8/21
Pending: 11/29/21
Approved: 11/2/22
Picked up: 11/14/22

372 days start to finish

BoilerUp

23 November 2022, 09:39

Just got this in an email from Capital Armory

Approval times are all over the place right now, but here's an idea of what you may expect.
Form 4s submitted via paper are being processed aggressively. We're receiving hundreds of paper approvals each week as the ATF's current focus is clearing out the paper backlog.
Electronic Form 4s are not sharing the same fate. Approvals are trickling in and are currently March 2022 submissions, so 8-9 months is what you may expect with wait times climbing. Electronic forms have been put on the back burner in order to reduce pending paper submissions.

It actually seems fair that they'd focus on clearing out the backlog of paper thet was submitted before electronic forms went online, but given mine and 11B's status they should be pretty much through those by now such that the volume should start shifting over to electronic.

UWone77

8 March 2023, 22:05

Been awhile

Form 4 Trust
Rex Silentium 9mm Suppressor
Sent: 5-18-2022
Approved: 03-07-2023

B&T Compact RQD 3 lug 9mm Suppressor
Sent 5-18-2022
Approved 03-07-2023

293 days for both.

BoilerUp

9 March 2023, 19:27

Paper or e-Forms?

UWone77

9 March 2023, 21:55

Paper or e-Forms?

Silencer Shop Kiosk

Former11B

14 March 2023, 15:20

My eForm1 just came back yesterday

01/22/23: submitted
01/25/23: print cards received
03/13/23: Form 1 approved

50 days

BoilerUp

1 April 2023, 15:08

Jerry R

1 April 2023, 17:47

Trust, or individual?

BoilerUp

2 April 2023, 09:16

Trust, or individual?

Trust with one RP.

I didn't realize the system can accept digital fingerprint files now, so I need to find a place to get that done.

alamo5000

2 April 2023, 10:16

Trust with one RP.

I didn't realize the system can accept digital fingerprint files now, so I need to find a place to get that done.

If you email Silencer Shop I think they will send you your digital fingerprints (I think). That is if you have used them in the past. It's not free, but I think they will do it.

UWone77

2 April 2023, 10:51

If you email Silencer Shop I think they will send you your digital fingerprints (I think). That is if you have used them in the past. It's not free, but I think they will do it.

It actually says on the SS website they will not provide digital prints.

I mean... at this point why would they? They just upped their price on cards to $40 for a set. If they charged you say a one time fee, that would kill off their revenue from sending physical cards.

alamo5000

2 April 2023, 11:05

It actually says on the SS website they will not provide digital prints.

I mean... at this point why would they? They just upped their price on cards to $40 for a set. If they charged you say a one time fee, that would kill off their revenue from sending physical cards.

Makes sense. I know before I was going to buy mine but I ended up going another route to get a set. That was a few years ago.

BoilerUp

28 April 2023, 06:58

Just dropped prints / cards in the mail for two Form 1's I e-filed today. We'll see. I'm curious if the brace shenanigans is going to add flow time to "regular" forms processing. I didn't realize that the BATFE basically created a whole separate e-forms website / system for the brace applications.

One came back this morning, so filed on 4/1, approved on 4/28. Not bad. This was one for my new SPEAR LT 11.5" 5.56 / 9" 300 AAC; still waiting for the stamp for the PTR 9K

It was my first time sending in one set of prints together for two applications, so hopefully that doesn't create any issues.

UWone77

28 April 2023, 09:14

One came back this morning, so filed on 4/1, approved on 4/28. Not bad. This was one for my new SPEAR LT 11.5" 5.56 / 9" 300 AAC; still waiting for the stamp for the PTR 9K

It was my first time sending in one set of prints together for two applications, so hopefully that doesn't create any issues.

I've sent up to 6 with one set of prints, no problems.

I just sent 12 and 10 with one set of prints each before the "ban" here and the approvals have started to trickle in.

BoilerUp

2 May 2023, 05:16

Second Form 1 came through this morning. Filed 4/1, approved 5/2 (e-Form 1, Trust w/ one RP)

UWone77

2 May 2023, 10:05

Got 7 of 22 approved so far in the last week or so.

One interesting note, they've approved several that are listed with OAL of less than 30"...which I didn't know how they'd interpret that portion of the new law here/

Jerry R

2 May 2023, 12:06

Just a quick question ... do the lowers have to be engraved?

alamo5000

2 May 2023, 15:52

Just a quick question ... do the lowers have to be engraved?

Yes. Definitely.

BoilerUp

2 May 2023, 18:24

Just a quick question ... do the lowers have to be engraved?

Yes, I do mine on the bottom next to the cutout for the trigger. And out of an abundance of caution since most lowers are marked as "multi", I also engrave the caliber as registered on the Form 1 on the other side of the trigger cutout.

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MY GUN TRUST
CITY ST
<trigger sticks out there>
CAL 5.56MM
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alamo5000

2 May 2023, 20:04

Yes, I do mine on the bottom next to the cutout for the trigger. And out of an abundance of caution since most lowers are marked as "multi", I also engrave the caliber as registered on the Form 1 on the other side of the trigger cutout.

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MY GUN TRUST
CITY ST
<trigger sticks out there>
CAL 5.56MM
------------------------------

My two SBRs have the engraving on the bottom of the trigger guard. Then again all of my ARs are billet and the design allows for it. Unless you are looking for the engraving you won't see it. Eventually I will probably do more Form 1s, but I am not UWone doing 22 in one swoop...[BD]

The guy that does my engraving has a rotary engraving machine. I really like that type of engraving. If/When I do other types/brands of lowers I will probably have to figure out good places on the lower to do the engraving that don't stick out or look out of place.