Primary Arms Holosun Micro Red Dot

[UWone77]

Primary Arms (https://www.primaryarms.com/HoloSun-Optics-s/5922.htm) is introducing the Holosun Micro Red Dot. As I understand it, these are not a Primary Arms (https://www.primaryarms.com/HoloSun-Optics-s/5922.htm) branded Red Dot. They are distributing one of their OEM Factories Brand. The specs are similar to their other new Advanced Series Red Dot, but in a smaller package. This optic boasts a 2 MOA Dot and 50k battery life with an auto 8 hour shut off. One other thing of note is, these optics can only be used with the 2 included mounts are they are non-standard patterns.


Description:


We are pleased to introduce the new Holosun Micro Red Dot (https://www.primaryarms.com/HoloSun-Optics-s/5922.htm)

LINK TO PURCHASE ONLY $169.99 (https://www.primaryarms.com/HoloSun-Optics-s/5922.htm)

No More Battery Housing? It is hidden in the base and with extreme battery life and auto shutoff a new battery is seldom needed. Less to block your view.

Features of Aspheric HS403 Red Dot Sight:

New LED with advanced technology allows up to 50,000 hours of operation on one battery


Specifications:


•Front Lens is angled to prevent glare
•2 MOA dot size
•Submersible to 100 feet
•Unlimited field of view
•Parallax-free with unlimited eye relief
•Unaffected by extreme weather conditions
•Durable and reliable construction
•Lowest profile emitter on the market
•Push button brightness setting
•Auto shutoff after 8 hours
•Auto awake to medium setting with movement
•Includes lower 1/3 AR height mount and low base
•2 night vision settings
•Weight: 4.2 oz with the riser mounted and the battery
•Working temperature: 14 °F to 122 °F
•Storage temperature: -4°F to 158°F
•Limited Lifetime Warranty



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[GOST]

Looks like a great deal for the price. Might have to try one of these.

[GOST]

Would like to see a POV of the recticle, their other micros had build up around the led that bothered me just a little.

[FortTom]

I saw one of these yesterday evening, UW, after your post on other Primary Arms red dots. It looked interesting, vs. a T1 or H1 which cost $400 + dollars more. The only thing that kills the deal for me is lack of a QD mount for these. Still, they look interesting and might be worth a second look.

Has anyone heard of the HoloSun brand before, or know anything about their products?

FT

[RiverRat]

Would like to see a POV of the recticle, their other micros had build up around the led that bothered me just a little.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb190/marsh2001/HoloSun-DotImage-Forum_zpsdd026e62.png
Image credit: Marshall Lerner (CEO of PA), sourced from another forum.

[GOST]

Thanks for the pic, that's what I needed to see. No build up around the emitter, looks promising.

[GOST]

I do wish however my other mounts would have been compatible with it.

[FortTom]

I was under the impression, don't know where I picked this up, but the smaller objective lens size is suitable for close quarters vs. say 300 meters should be about 40mm. The Aimpoint pro has a 38mm lens.

I was thinking that these smaller sights (lens size) are suited to CQB/Entry Team type situations, but not really suitable for fast acquisition. On targets 50 meters +, the red dot's lens should be in the 40mm - ish range.

Any thoughts about this?

Thanks,

FT

[voodoo_man]

not too shabby, maybe i'll grab one of these

[schambers]

Auto on-off is a nice feature. I'm not to hot on push button controls but its nice to see a company offering smothing similar to an aimpoint at a lower price. Curious to see how it compares in terms of durability.

A big question in my mind is if the optic has to be unmounted in order to change the battery?

[GOST]

Anyone tried one of these yet?

[markm]

I've been running one for a few weeks now. YES. You have to pull the RDS off of the mount to battery swap, but if their claims are right on battery life, that shouldn't be necessary but every few years.

The tall mount is much higher than lower 1/3. It's too tall. You can still run your irons but you lose a lot of the rear app in the bottom of the RDS.

The auto off and on really does work. If you pick up the gun it might not come on, but any type of jaring movement will kick it on. Firing the weapon will cause the site to come on if you have it off. A tap on the gun anywhere will cause it to come on.

If you have irons that are more than 7 or 8 clicks off of mechanical zero, the high mount becomes a real pain in the ass because the irons are even more blocked as you get into the upward curve of the site's tube. I had to pull it off of a gun and move it to a different one that shoots closer to a perfect mechanical zero.

I do like the sight. We've shot it from CQB out to 400 and 500 yards. There is a bluish color to the lenses/sight pic, but nothing problematic.

The mount, however sucks because of the height. I don't understand how they screwed that up. And you can't use a different T1 mount according to PA posts on ARFcom.

[GOST]

Thanks for the review Markm. Nice to know the mount is to tall.

[Naytwan]

Sucks you cant use T1 mounts like the other micro red dot.

[DMViergever]

I've been running one for a few weeks now. YES. You have to pull the RDS off of the mount to battery swap, but if their claims are right on battery life, that shouldn't be necessary but every few years.

The tall mount is much higher than lower 1/3. It's too tall. You can still run your irons but you lose a lot of the rear app in the bottom of the RDS.

The auto off and on really does work. If you pick up the gun it might not come on, but any type of jaring movement will kick it on. Firing the weapon will cause the site to come on if you have it off. A tap on the gun anywhere will cause it to come on.

If you have irons that are more than 7 or 8 clicks off of mechanical zero, the high mount becomes a real pain in the ass because the irons are even more blocked as you get into the upward curve of the site's tube. I had to pull it off of a gun and move it to a different one that shoots closer to a perfect mechanical zero.

I do like the sight. We've shot it from CQB out to 400 and 500 yards. There is a bluish color to the lenses/sight pic, but nothing problematic.

The mount, however sucks because of the height. I don't understand how they screwed that up. And you can't use a different T1 mount according to PA posts on ARFcom.

This pretty well sums up the review I am writing currently lol. The blue hasn't bothered me much, even at night. The dot is crisp and the glass is clear. The size of the emitter is truly tiny. For a sub 200 dollar optic I have been impressed. I haven't abused it yet, that is part 2...and will include video.

[markm]

Yeah... It's not a bad sight. And I'm not sorry I bought it. But it's not quite a T-1.

[John Hwang]

You wouldn't expect the same quality as a T1 that's 3-4 times the price. But if the optic is 80-90% of the quality, it may be a great buy.

[Naytwan]

I posted about this over on calguns and Dimitri stated the primary arms version would be compatible with T1 mounts.

[GOST]

Nice to hear that it will be compatible with micro mounts.

[markm]

I had one of the 4 bottom screws on the sight fall out on me a week or two back. Found it on the floor after cleaning my carbine. Had the screw fallen out in the desert, I'd have never known until the whole optic started wiggling.

Blue loctite or vibratite is probably a good idea on this thing.

[UWone77]

I had one of the 4 bottom screws on the sight fall out on me a week or two back. Found it on the floor after cleaning my carbine. Had the screw fallen out in the desert, I'd have never known until the whole optic started wiggling.

Blue loctite or vibratite is probably a good idea on this thing.

mark what did you do to get yourself banned from m4c? [:D]

[Uffdaphil]

mark what did you do to get yourself banned from m4c? [:D]

Oh boy, now I dare post there about how wonderful rail mounted front sights are. Who will step up to take over curmudgeon duty? It will be boringly tame for the duration.

[Slippers]

I even looked up markm's recent posts on m4c just to see if there was something ban worthy. Didn't seem to be anything more caustic than usual. :D

[GOST]

Banned just means your feisty.

[Naytwan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox0hgWlYWOg&list=UU0-nZ9dKQroaCr2MuAXeqyg&index=1

Not really a review of the red dot but interesting its still working after the beating it took. I think ill buy one on payday and do a review.

[GOST]

Naytwan are you going to try the Holosun or Primary Arms Advanced Microdot? The PA is the Holosun that is compatible with Aimpoint micro mounts and the battery compartment moved to the side.

[Naytwan]

Naytwan are you going to try the Holosun or Primary Arms Advanced Microdot? The PA is the Holosun that is compatible with Aimpoint micro mounts and the battery compartment moved to the side.

PA version.

[GOST]

If you get a chance post a review. Looks like good value.

[Naytwan]

If you get a chance post a review. Looks like good value.

Payday is this week. Will be placing an order then. I have a previous gen model on a rifle with a fortis mount. I plan on using that mount or that new lightweight qd mount.

[GOST]

That Scalarworks mount bundle looks nice.

[Naytwan]

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Microdot_with_Removable_Base_Scalar_p/ldm110mdads.htm

Thats not a bad deal. Hmm. I do like the fortis F1 mount though, its lighter but not QD. Well its only money. lol

[UWone77]

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_Microdot_with_Removable_Base_Scalar_p/ldm110mdads.htm

Thats not a bad deal. Hmm. I do like the fortis F1 mount though, its lighter but not QD. Well its only money. lol

Honestly, how many of us are actually using the QD portion?

I like to keep my optics on my guns after they are zero'ed and ready to roll.

[Naytwan]

Honestly, how many of us are actually using the QD portion?

I like to keep my optics on my guns after they are zero'ed and ready to roll.

True. I don't even run BUIS on most of my guns.

[UWone77]

True. I don't even run BUIS on most of my guns.

Although... it would be cheaper to swap over optics from gun to gun vs buying more optics. Famous last words... "it never ends."

I need to see one of our members to a review on the Scalarworks Mount.

[Naytwan]

Although... it would be cheaper to swap over optics from gun to gun vs buying more optics. Famous last words... "it never ends."

I need to see one of our members to a review on the Scalarworks Mount.

It looks like a very interesting mount.

[markm]

I even looked up markm's recent posts on m4c just to see if there was something ban worthy. Didn't seem to be anything more caustic than usual. :D

They call it banned which gives the impression of PERMANENT. But it was like 10 days the first time, and 4 days the second time.

Any time Black Hills ammo comes up, I post factual findings on measurements I've taken on BH ammo... and mysteriously my account goes into Ban mode. ;)

(followed with some vague explanation like "non productive replies" etc.)

I've come to the conclusion that a moderator there is married to the owner of Black Hills daughter or something. ;) (joking)

[GOST]

Just imagine if they banned you for negative LWRC post.[:D]

[markm]

I wouldn't post on that forum if they were LWRCi friendly. That's be TOO big of a lapse in judgement to deal with.

[Naytwan]

And ordered. I ordered from Joebob and just got the basic mount. Ill put it on my fortis mount for now. I plan on taking a carbine class or 2 in the next few months. Gonna use it and the Aero upper I just got and take one with an Aimpoint Pro as backup. I'll do a table top review as well as an update after the class.

[Trav84]

Pretty cool torture test video by the guys at AK Operators Union on PAs version MD ADS. Mounted on an AK they were testing with an ADM mount. Pretty impressive. The link wouldn't work for me from their Facebook page you may need to copy and paste.

http://youtu.be/ox0hgWlYWOg

The scalarworks mount does look cool but sadly they sold out. I emailed PA they expect more by the end of the year give or take of course.

Is it aimpoint quality? Probably not, I dont own an aimpoint but lots of guys I shoot with do. I honestly can't tell the difference I've never been to a carbine course but the military and LEO guys put me into ringers that made me regret ever buying a plate carrier lol, props to all of you who wear those daily. I live in the rocky mountains shooting at 11,000ft in rugged conditions. Two days ago we were shooting with a temp of -16. Jumping in and out of heated rigs I had no issues what so ever.

After they made fun of me for a solid 6 hours for using an optic that costs a shade more than my charging handle they were impressed after shooting my rifle. I'm not an expert on anything gun related but my experience with this optic has been stellar after getting two thumbs up from some real professional soldiers I had a smile on my face the whole ride home. /end rant

[Naytwan]

Im always impressed with Joebob Outfitters. My optic shipped and should be here monday.

[FortTom]

And ordered. I ordered from Joebob and just got the basic mount. Ill put it on my fortis mount for now. I plan on taking a carbine class or 2 in the next few months. Gonna use it and the Aero upper I just got and take one with an Aimpoint Pro as backup. I'll do a table top review as well as an update after the class.

Will be looking forward to it. I'm running Aimpoints in one configuration or the other on everything but my AR-10. I'm curious about the "toughness" of the PA sight. I'm also considering a Vortex SPARC II, if I can find about anything about it.

[Naytwan]

Optic came today. I'll do a preliminary review today or tomorrow and update it as I shoot it. So far i'm impressed.

[GOST]

Look forward to your review Naytwan.

[nCarnage]

Optic came today. I'll do a preliminary review today or tomorrow and update it as I shoot it. So far i'm impressed.

Any updates yet? After swimming around on the forum, Im looking into an optic for my current build. This is hitting it on the nail for me. Just want some decent reviews of it from people using it.