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Been seeing great reviews on the Walther PPQ M2. I've owned Glocks, a XDM and have shot a few M&Ps; how does the PPQ stack up against them?
Absolutely the best out of the box trigger with an insanely short reset!
Computalotapus
8 April 2014, 17:19
I own a M&P and a Gen 4 Glock 19. A friend has the PPQ-M2 and I will say it has a very nice trigger out of the box. I think the only thing I would do is stipple it and call it done.
I owned a P99 .40 and loved it. Would have bought a PPQ but if I am gonna own one I like the M1 with the paddle mag release and at the time they were unicorns. I heard Walther will be bringing the M1 back to the states so I will keep my eyes pealed to pick up an EDC. The M&P is my 2-gun pistol and the wife claimed the G19
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browcs
8 April 2014, 22:07
What tact said. I prefer the PPQ (V1 in my case) to any other polymer gun that I have familiarity with. The trigger is great for a polymer gun; no need for Apex to develop an aftermarket trigger for this gun in my opinion. They are also very accurate as long as the shooter does their part.
Computalotapus, Walther already brought back the V1's...my second PPQ is one of the newly imported V1's.
Is the release the only difference between a M1 and M2?
Is the release the only difference between a M1 and M2?
Yes, although it also means that the original version magazines won't work in the M2, nor will the current-version P99 magazines nor the Desert Eagle mags. The notch for the release is in a different location. The M2 mags are readily available however, so not a big issue. The M1 version with the paddle release is still available, if that type of release is your preference, but supplies are constrained. I found one on GunBroker without any trouble. My dealer couldn't get one.
I own an M&P 9L, had to add a DCAEK and hand-fitted Storm Lake barrel to make it an "ok" firearm for my expectations. I had a Glock 19, but while I was diddling with it to try to make it a functional firearm I stumbled on the PPQ. That PPQ has over 5500 rounds through it, I bought a second one, and sold the POS Glock after I finally got it working (BTF).
I have been completely satisfied with the PPQ. IMHO, it is superior to either the M&P or the Glock in every way.
None of the shops around here have ever had one in stock. I hate to order one without ever getting to handle it, but I may just have to break down and do it.
Still haven't got to handle one of these yet. Do you guys prefer the M1 or M2?
Computalotapus
29 April 2014, 04:30
I prefer the M1 but I had a P99 for a long time. Now that I have gotten used to the standard mag release on the M&P I would take either haha. But if I was buying one I would get the M1 and pick up mags when and where I can.
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Just got my M2 5"....... Quite possibly the best pistol out of the box ever!!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/30/uresuqa6.jpg
Still haven't got to handle one of these yet. Do you guys prefer the M1 or M2?
I am completely indifferent to the method of magazine release. I own pistols with both, like both mechanisms just fine. I started with the trigger guard release for the PPQ because that was all they made initially. More recently, my second PPQ was bought with the same trigger guard release to preserve magazine compatibility. The issue seems to engender a lot of passion among PPQ owners. I get that, but don't feel it. I see it as a training issue.
browcs
29 April 2014, 19:08
Still haven't got to handle one of these yet. Do you guys prefer the M1 or M2?
I prefer the M1. I have small hands; to release the magazine, I don't have to release my shooting grip to hit the left-side paddle mag release with my thumb. Instead I use my middle finger to hit the right-side release.
browcs
29 April 2014, 19:10
Just got my M2 5"....... Quite possibly the best pistol out of the box ever!!
I would love to see this gun in the M1 version....it would go well with my older First Edition M1 and newer manufactured standard M1.
I would love to see this gun in the M1 version....it would go well with my older First Edition M1 and newer manufactured standard M1.
Reportedly, the 5 inch slide/barrel assembly fits just fine on the older version frame, M1 or M2 (not correct nomeclature, but how the two versions are called in common parlance). It would be nice if it was available separately as a kit. Anyway, from what I read on the Walther forums, you could buy the 5 inch M2 and use the slide and barrel on your compact-version M1. Walther has said there won't be an "M1" version of the 5 inch, but who knows?
Just got my M2 5"....... Quite possibly the best pistol out of the box ever!!
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/30/uresuqa6.jpg
That looks slick.
Reportedly, the 5 inch slide/barrel assembly fits just fine on the older version frame, M1 or M2 (not correct nomeclature, but how the two versions are called in common parlance). It would be nice if it was available separately as a kit. Anyway, from what I read on the Walther forums, you could buy the 5 inch M2 and use the slide and barrel on your compact-version M1. Walther has said there won't be an "M1" version of the 5 inch, but who knows?
....good to know Hmac. I wonder what the percentage numbers are here in the U.S. of M1 vs. M2 buyers. I hear of more people wanting the M1, but perhaps because they (we) are (were) more vocal in wanting a return of that version?
First post guys.
I've had the M1 for over a year now. After using the paddle release I wish all my pistols had it.
It's my HD gun with a Crimson Trace Rail Master laser. It's like cheating with its amazing trigger and that laser.
Glad to have you here Dr Tran, what type of Dr are you?
How does the PPX compare to the PPQ?
Computalotapus
13 May 2014, 12:46
How does the PPX compare to the PPQ?
PPX feels big a clunky to me
How does the PPX compare to the PPQ?
The PPX is a lower price point entry to the Walther line. It is larger (overall) gun compared to the PPQ with a higher bore axis; it looks really clunky especially "thanks" to the non-interchangeable back strap with that weird looking hump. Big differences include it being a hammer-fired gun with a pre-set (DAO) trigger and button magazine release. Despite sharing a button magazine release, the PPX cannot use PPQ M2 (V2) magazines. The sights are, I believe, interchangeable between the two guns.
Dr Tran
18 May 2014, 23:07
Glad to have you here Dr Tran, what type of Dr are you?
I'm not a doctor.
But honestly, the PPQ has one fault in that it has a higher bore axis than necessary. Other than that it is spectacular. And the paddle release is perfection. And the trigger beats all.
I was hoping that you were like House or Bones from Star Trek.
Dr Tran
20 May 2014, 22:52
Frankly I'd like to see the new Caracal CP whatever pistol. It looks like the perfect 9. But whether it ever comes to fruition is the question.
I've not shot a Caracal either, how do they compare to a Glock or M&P?
From the ergonomics standpoint, I prefer the Caracal F to any Glock. I prefer the trigger pull and feel of the grip in my hands. It's lower bore axis lets me shoot it faster. I greatly appreciate the reset is positive with a distinct "click." Its equally accurate in my hands compared to my Glocks. Finally, what's not to like with an 18-round magazine in it's 9mm version?
What I don't like: that darned rear sight. Which design genius thought it was a good idea to combine the rear striker plate and rear sight? Major fail in my opinion.
While I like my M&P45, the OEM trigger blows major chunks; mushy, full of creep and overtravel. I need Apex parts for it. I do really like the grip though.
All of this said, I still prefer my PPQ's over even the Caracal despite losing three rounds in the magazine (in 9mm).
You can buy and use 17 rounders in the PPQ.
Dr Tran
22 May 2014, 21:49
From the ergonomics standpoint, I prefer the Caracal F to any Glock. I prefer the trigger pull and feel of the grip in my hands. It's lower bore axis lets me shoot it faster. I greatly appreciate the reset is positive with a distinct "click." Its equally accurate in my hands compared to my Glocks. Finally, what's not to like with an 18-round magazine in it's 9mm version?
What I don't like: that darned rear sight. Which design genius thought it was a good idea to combine the rear striker plate and rear sight? Major fail in my opinion.
While I like my M&P45, the OEM trigger blows major chunks; mushy, full of creep and overtravel. I need Apex parts for it. I do really like the grip though.
All of this said, I still prefer my PPQ's over even the Caracal despite losing three rounds in the magazine (in 9mm).
If you look at the Caracal website the gun has been redesigned to address your issues. However I'm not sure if Caracal is now defunct at this point. Their Facebook has been silent for months.
It would be a shame as their redesigned CP looks like the perfect mid size.
XACT_ABORT
23 May 2014, 15:15
I remember thinking the PPQ was pretty cool when it came out. I would prefer the M1 as well, but I had no idea that the 5 inch version M2 existed. It's possibly the coolest polymer pistol I have seen in a really long time. Thanks for starting the discussion. I have a Glock 19 that I'm pretty partial to just because it runs well for me and from a size perspective I think it's perfect. I think the Walther is a bitcooler though.
I remember thinking the PPQ was pretty cool when it came out. I would prefer the M1 as well, but I had no idea that the 5 inch version M2 existed. It's possibly the coolest polymer pistol I have seen in a really long time. Thanks for starting the discussion. I have a Glock 19 that I'm pretty partial to just because it runs well for me and from a size perspective I think it's perfect. I think the Walther is a bitcooler though.
Go shoot one! You'll drop that block in no time.
XACT_ABORT
23 May 2014, 17:48
Go shoot one! You'll drop that block in no time.
It's funny, I bought the Glock to try it out just because I hadn't owned one. It has since become my go to pistol. I can run it fast accurately and it carries pretty much in an situation. I like it more than I expected. That being said, I have avoided the PPQ almost on purpose. I think I will try one out. I'll probably try to track down a M1. But I do think its definitely in my future.
I remember when I handled the M&P 9 for the first time in a shop, I didn't think very highly of it. Then I got a chance to run a stock one at the range and turned in better splits than I did with my Glock 24. I know the trigger on the PPQ is supposed to be better than a M&P, but I would like to see if it handles better than a M&P 9 with a Apex trigger.
Reset is super sweet as well.....Like a 1/10 of an inch.
schambers
25 May 2014, 13:21
Do you guys have to modify your grip in any way to avoid the long slide release?
Do you guys have to modify your grip in any way to avoid the long slide release?
No, but then again, I have short fingers.
Do you guys have to modify your grip in any way to avoid the long slide release?
Nah. Perfect length for me.
Do you guys have to modify your grip in any way to avoid the long slide release?
No issues at all.
XACT_ABORT
29 May 2014, 19:35
Go shoot one! You'll drop that block in no time.
Tact, for the sake of discussion I'm curious what it is from your perspective that make this the best out of the box pistol for you. Would you mind elaborating a bit? I would really appreciate your impressions.
XACT_ABORT
29 May 2014, 19:50
I'm not a doctor.
But honestly, the PPQ has one fault in that it has a higher bore axis than necessary. Other than that it is spectacular. And the paddle release is perfection. And the trigger beats all.
This just made me laugh... "I'm not a doctor" then straight to business. This was the perfect spot for a Holiday Inn Express reference. Thank you Dr Tran.
I haven't had the chance to put my hands on a PPQ yet but it seems like one that I would like. I used to not put much stock in the bore axis thing but it really does make a difference. Maybe not so much in 9mm compared to 45. Sadly it's probably one of the reasons I less than love my HK45. I really want to like that pistol but it just doesn't do it for me. The ergonomics are great, the trigger guard mag release is awesome. I just can't run it like others... With a lower bore axis. I hope I can stumble on an opportunity to try out a PPQ because it really has my attention at the moment.
Dr Tran, can you by chance compare the trigger to say that of a Glock? What makes it better?
Thanks
Tact, for the sake of discussion I'm curious what it is from your perspective that make this the best out of the box pistol for you. Would you mind elaborating a bit? I would really appreciate your impressions.
XACT..
Stating it is the best out of the box pistol for me just means that it is nearly perfect and it really doesn't need any modifications.
First the grip fits well in my hand and quite comfortable. I know people like Glocks, but for me they require a grip modification. The trigger is without a doubt the best stock trigger I have ever played with. The reason is that "the trigger is pulled the trigger bar engages a disconnect lever, which props up a sear hook, which releases the fully pre-loaded striker assembly, firing the pistol. Pulling the trigger does not partially load the striker spring as with the Glock and many other striker fired pistol designs. The PPQ trigger pull is entirely due to the trigger and disconnector springs. The PPQ has a trigger travel of approximately 9 mm (0.4 in) with a relatively short trigger reset of 2.5 mm (0.1 in) and a trigger pull of approximately 25 N (5.6 lbf). Unlike many other trigger systems, preset internal strikers have a let-off point and trigger pull that remains unchanged from the first shot to the last and requires no decocker. It should however be noted that the striker of the PPQ variant does not protrude from the back of the slide, as the firearm is in a constant cocked state." I will say that when I dry fired it, the trigger felt just awesome. However, when I actually put some rounds down range it took it to another level......its just amazing! The sights are pretty decent 3 dot sights with an adjustable rear, but I swapped them out for some Dawson Precision presently. The magazines are moderately priced, with ample capacity, and I like the red follower. Some people get all worked up over the high bore axis and low grip, but I don't see any overly exaggerated muzzle flip... after all it is a 9mm. If you want the lowest bore axis pistol, I would go after the Steyr which also has a pretty decent trigger.
Words really can not explain it. I just try to let as many people shoot it so they can experience it. So far all were completely amazed and the one's that had the coin already bought one.
XACT_ABORT
30 May 2014, 16:26
Tact, thanks for the impressions. The trigger explanation is great and based on your words easy to imagine. I'm not hung up on the bore axis thing. I do think it can matter although you're probably right about 9mm. I do think I'm going to try out a PPQ. Thanks again.
I wonder how the HK VP9 will stack up against the PPQ? The VP9 almost looks like a clone.
browcs
11 June 2014, 15:01
I wonder how the HK VP9 will stack up against the PPQ? The VP9 almost looks like a clone.
Yup. I'm really curious about the trigger on the VP9.....I really don't see myself getting one in 9mm; now if they offer it in .40 S&W and it has a trigger close to that of the PPQ.......
Yup. I'm really curious about the trigger on the VP9.....I really don't see myself getting one in 9mm; now if they offer it in .40 S&W and it has a trigger close to that of the PPQ.......
I'm very intrigued by the VP9. I really like my PPQ and shoot it very well, but I hope that the VP9 is so good that I'd ditch the PPQ for it. Love to see the state of the art advance. Fortunately, I have a great pistol to use in the meantime while I'm waiting for the pros and cons of the VP9 to become known. Right now, the frantic posturing by the Walther faithful is almost pathetic in the way so many are pooh-poohing the VP9 based on a Youtube video and their interpretation of the specs, all without ever seeing one in person let alone actually shooting it.
browcs
15 June 2014, 20:53
I'm very intrigued by the VP9. I really like my PPQ and shoot it very well, but I hope that the VP9 is so good that I'd ditch the PPQ for it. Love to see the state of the art advance. Fortunately, I have a great pistol to use in the meantime while I'm waiting for the pros and cons of the VP9 to become known. Right now, the frantic posturing by the Walther faithful is almost pathetic in the way so many are pooh-poohing the VP9 based on a Youtube video and their interpretation of the specs, all without ever seeing one in person let alone actually shooting it.
I cannot see myself ditching either of my two PPQ's anymore than I was able to get rid of my Walther P99's or Steyr M or S-series guns in favor of the PPQ which really is superior to those aforementioned guns. I hope the VP9 does well; competition is good for us gun owners. The PPQ-philes need to get over themselves if they are up in arms; just embrace your PPQ, shoot the crap out of it, and enjoy it....its a gun, not a lover. Heck, if I get my hands on one and like more than my PPQ then I'll get one, but since I have two PPQ's and a Caracal F 9mm, I'm really not in my market for another polymer, striker-fired 9mm....now again, if they make a "VP40," I might be on board with that.
Had the local shop price both the yet to be released VP9 and PPQ. I was quoted $599 for the PPQ and $639 for the VP9.
With the VP9 on the horizon I'm eager to see the versus reviews.
With the VP9 on the horizon I'm eager to see the versus reviews.
I bought one a couple of weeks ago. It's a nice gun. I would score it slightly better for me than either of my PPQs but they're very close.
ergonomics feel very similar to the PPQ. I have more than 6000 rounds through my PPQ and holding one then the other with my eyes closed, I can't really feel much difference. Both feel great. My hands are a little on the small side, I'll have to try the smaller grip panels on the VP9. With the PPQ, the smaller backstrap feels better, but I shoot the PPQ noticeably better with the medium backstrap.
trigger pull - average of 10 pulls...5 lbs 6 oz for the PPQ, 6 lbs 4 oz for the VP9 (Lyman electronic trigger gauge). The PPQ has a lot of rounds through it, the VP9 has none.
dry firing...nice crisp break on both. Both are excellent. Take up feels a little longer on the the PPQ (for me, takeup is irrelevant). Can't tell anything about reset without shooting both side by side.
size is approximately the same. VP9 is a hair longer in the grip. I can't really tell the difference carrying one vs the other OWB in a leather belt scabbard.
weight (with magazine, unloaded)...PPQ 1 lb 9.2 oz, VP9 1 lb 10.6 oz
VP9 fits fine in an old Tagua HK45 leather holster I had sitting around. I'll make a kydex holster for it this weekend.
quality of construction, fit/finish...both are excellent. I'd call them equal
so far, I like the charging ears on the VP9. Nice touch, especially for those of us who rack the slide rather than use the slide release
slide release placement is nice on both. I have no difficulty with either, although I typically don't use it.
http://ssequine.net/vp9ppqs.jpg
Very nice, thanks Hmac. Is the muzzle flip about equal also?
Very nice, thanks Hmac. Is the muzzle flip about equal also?
I'm not a believer in "muzzle flip". I heard that "high bore axis" baloney about the PPQ, then about the VP9, especially all compared to the Glock 19 and the M&P. I own all four pistols (actually sold the Glock 19 recently) and shoot the "high bore axis" pistols better. Physics aside, there is so much that goes into a given pistol's "shootability" (not to mention the technique and the ability of the shooter) that I find the whole "muzzle flip" discussion silly. IMHO. YMMV. IMHO, if "muzzle flip" represents a problem for a given shooter relative to split times and accuracy, they need to practice more.
shenvalleywc
21 September 2014, 10:18
Has anyone found an alternative to the stock sights that were a noticeable improvement? I have a PPQ M1
DutyUse
21 September 2014, 11:37
My original PPQ m1
http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/FamilyFord23/pew%20pew/IMG_0960_zpsb4b642fe.jpg
Our new PPQ m2 navy
http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u404/FamilyFord23/pew%20pew/20140213_191153_zpsf9f9cf77.jpg
We love these pistols, though I'd love to try an HK VP9 aswell
Hmac
22 September 2014, 05:42
Has anyone found an alternative to the stock sights that were a noticeable improvement? I have a PPQ M1
I've tried 10-8's (U-notch and brass bead) and Dawson Precision with fiberoptic front. After shooting my VP9 stock and competing with it last week, I've decided that I'm going to go back to 3-dot sights. I'm considering some Trijicon WP-01's for the PPQ one of these days. I haven't determined how much I'll be shooting that Walther anymore.
tact
24 September 2014, 17:16
I used the Dawson Precision sights and it shot like a laser on the 5".
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