Battle Arms Developement Sub 4lbs. AR-15

[GOST]

Here's one for you guys that really like light rifles:

http://www.ar15news.com/2014/04/22/sneak-peek-battle-arms-development-sub-4-pound-ar-15/

[FortTom]

Wish I had one...
FT

[GOST]

Looks like BAD is about to be in production of titanium components.

[Battle Cock]

I saw that thing earlier this morning. I want one too.

[UWone77]

Battle Arms has so much goodness planned for this year. I wish they would share or allow us to leak some info. But lightweight builders will be very pleased.

[Aragorn]

I think I need that gas block.... I'd rather go BAD than V7.

[GOST]

Same here, big fan of their selectors.

[UWone77]

Sneak Peek of OIP "Ounces Is Pounds" Billet Lower Receiver Model. Custom designed for Bentwood Gunsmithing to match the OIP Upper Receiver / Sub 4lb OIP Rifle Project. As with the lightweight upper, we will have another version of the lightweight lower receiver for sale. This OIP lower configuration is exclusively for the OIP rifle and is not sold separately. Pricing per Bentwood Gunsmithing. (Note: facets in model are due to viewer conversion issue, the curved surfaces are not faceted)

In case some of you were wondering, the OIS is not fully ambi, as weight was the main goal.


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[GOST]

I love BAD but in my opinion that's a little over the top. I know a super light rifle feels nice in a shop, but how's does it handle?

[camomike]

I like the concept, but i'm not really a fan of opening that much of the magwell. Just seems like an area for dirty to creep in and foul/jam the weapon .....

[UWone77]

I think the concept is just pure lightweight. This is not going to have a mass market appeal as people will want to only give up so much for lighter weight. This is a radical design and taking weight to a new level. There will be some shooters out there looking for the lightest setup possible though. I'm just wondering how much this will cost.

[GOST]

I bet this will have a larger market than expected and will be near $300. I wish their forged lowers were out already.

[GOST]

I wonder how many titanium parts they have in the works to go with this lower?

[UWone77]

I wonder how many titanium parts they have in the works to go with this lower?

Now that's a great question. I know they were developing a lot of titanium parts for the lower, but I'm not sure how many of them were specially for the OIS platform. I'll have to ask Roger next time and see if he has any information to give me.

[UWone77]

Custom Grade 5 Titanium Gas Blocks from Battle Arms. The gas block weighs less than the gas tube. Apparently, these are custom designed for the OIP and will not likely be sold separately. There is another version of this gas block in the works for individual purchase.


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[GOST]

Those look crazy lite.

[Judicator]

In case some of you were wondering, the OIS is not fully ambi, as weight was the main goal.


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With the weight they shaved off I don't think people would complain about it being a hair heavier for ambi. Lower is sexy tho.


Sent from my IPhone, please ignore spelling mistakes. Siri is dumb.

[UWone77]

Updated photos of the OIP Receiver set as seen on Battle Arms' FB page.


http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/Battle-Arms-Development-OIP-Lightweight-Rifle-Components_zps9e3482f1.jpg (http://s849.photobucket.com/user/UWone77/media/Battle-Arms-Development-OIP-Lightweight-Rifle-Components_zps9e3482f1.jpg.html)

[MoxyDave]

What's the thing up top for? You're going to say it and I'm going to facepalm and feel stupid.

[DutyUse]

What's the thing up top for? You're going to say it and I'm going to facepalm and feel stupid.

Think I read it's the stock..well at least a place to rest it on your shoulder lol

[Ride4frnt]

Yeah I think it would be a stock. bolts tight around a pistol tube maybe?

[GOST]

It's the stock, but it should be left off to save you weight and $200.

[specopsscout]

I'll be watching this thread with anticipation...

[Cold bore miracle]

Pretty interesting

[madscientist24]

Hmm no rails on the majority of the upper. mag holes look like they invite things to get snagged or prevent the mag from entering completely. looks cool tho. would be awesome to show off at the range.

any idea what program they use to create the model?

[madscientist24]

delete

[velocity2006]

Hmm no rails on the majority of the upper. mag holes look like they invite things to get snagged or prevent the mag from entering completely. looks cool tho. would be awesome to show off at the range.

any idea what program they use to create the model?

Yeah not sure how I feel about no BUIS, even on a light weight build, 1 section of rail really save that much weight?

[MoxyDave]

any idea what program they use to create the model?

Most companies use SolidWorks.

[ShiskaBob]

I understand the desire to be rid of the extra unused rail space, but it sure lose out on a lot of its potential market by not having at least another inch. Not everyone has good enough eyes to make good use of a tiny red dot, and have to magnified optics, or at the very least have the option for attaching a magnifier.

[GOST]

I think that this was designed for a very small niche market never meant to be anything but a range toy.

[DutyUse]

Doesn't mag tactical have a similar rifle they just came out with?

[GOST]

Mag Tactical Black Air 15 Recon at 4.8 pounds.

http://www.magtacticalsystems.com/index.php/component/hikashop/product/231-black-air-15-recon#specs

[iowa hawkeyes]

-4 lbs is pretty damn impressive

[DutyUse]

Mag Tactical Black Air 15 Recon at 4.8 pounds.

http://www.magtacticalsystems.com/index.php/component/hikashop/product/231-black-air-15-recon#specs

Ya that's the one. Similar concepts but I think BA is going to end up with a nicer product

[bzdog]

Doesn't mag tactical have a similar rifle they just came out with?

IIRC, both very light weight, but the way they get there is very different.

-john

[GOST]

Ya that's the one. Similar concepts but I think BA is going to end up with a nicer product

Maybe true but MAG's looks like a cheaper option.

[GOST]

Pre-orders are being taken for these.
Price $2879, contact info@bentwoodgunsmithing.com

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10460895_852355654785077_1895277169181084081_o.jpg

[CoxeyDiesel]

Titanium EPS looks really awesome.

[UWone77]

Pre-orders are being taken for these.
Price $2879, contact info@bentwoodgunsmithing.com

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10460895_852355654785077_1895277169181084081_o.jpg

For $2875? Am I the only getting a kick out of bent wood gunsmithing and the name?

[Ride4frnt]

Wow...

[GOST]

For $2875? Am I the only getting a kick out of bent wood gunsmithing and the name?

I take it you're not ordering any bent wood? Would you rather your wood be straight?[:D]

[CarbonScoring]

Pre-orders are being taken for these.
Price $2879, contact info@bentwoodgunsmithing.com

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10460895_852355654785077_1895277169181084081_o.jpg

That is the most hideous AR I've ever seen.

[GOST]

That is the most hideous AR I've ever seen.

I love BAD products, so it hurts me to say you're right.

[CarbonScoring]

I love BAD products, so it hurts me to say you're right.

I know what you mean. Everything they've produced makes ARs look awesome (not to mention functional).

[DutyUse]

I think the receiver set looks good but the rest of the rifle looks like they just used any old assorted LW parts they had left from previous builds.

[JoshAston]

That thing is pretty hideous! My sub 4lb build isn't all that pretty, but it looks better than that.

[SINNER]

First thing I thought was BAD made that ugly ass thing. All black with the carbon fiber fore end would look 100% better.

[GOST]

Scary to think how many are about to be sold. But in their defense this is the only product they've made I'm not down with.

[CarbonScoring]

Nothing a can of Krylon can't improve. [:D]

[wdigeorge]

Are you gentlemen talking about the OIP Ounces Is Pounds Ultralightweight Rifle?

Just to clarify, this "not" a Battle Arms Development rifle. We made quite a number of custom lightweight components (see Ad page below) for Bentwood Gunsmithing for this sub 4lb rifle project but have no decisions on the color, carbon fiber handguard, etc. etc. Also, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Their approach is a "raw" authentic feel with raw titanium, raw type III hard anodizing on 7075T6 aluminum (which turns into this gold/bronze color and continues to shift shades pending how thick the build-up is, it is not dyed), etc. Not because of our involvement but it is one of the most innovative lightweight rifle designs in a long time. Every component is redesigned from the ground up down to the screw. The rifle system is tuned from head to toe, including a proprietary buffer and spring system. Only stock parts on this rifle are some of the springs, roll pins, pistol grip, charging handle and magazine catch. There is much more to it than meets the eye. The rifle shoots and recoils like a .22lr that weights 4lbs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/2014-12-02%20-%20OIP%20Single%20Page%20AD_zpsdn3ll6we.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/JCL_4435_zpsl6fkafoo.jpg

If you want to see what a Battle Arms Rifle might look like, these Demo Rifles below from SHOT SHOW are good indicators. They were built to showcase our billet lightweight BAD556-LW receivers LIGHTRIGID (tm) 416R SS Barrel, SABERTUBE (tm) butt stock, BAD-EPS, BAD-EMR, BAD-ASS, etc. etc. However, even these rifle are not a true "Battle Arms Development" rifle as we are still working on our own Rail System, BCG, Ambi Charging Handle, etc. We are working our way around the entire AR15 down to the smallest of components.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/JCL_4410_zpstfwsbida.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/JCL_4399_zpscqo20vs1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/JCL_4418_zpsgdqn0yti.jpg

[UWone77]

Thanks for chiming in George. And welcome (again) to the forum!

[DutyUse]

The brown rifle of y'all's was one of my favorites from Shot. I'm really digging the products BAD is coming out with in 2015


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[wdigeorge]

Thank you UWone77 for the welcome.

We are spread a bit thin at the moment trying to launch over a dozen new products and over two dozen products on top of that in the works. If there is anything on the forums that come up that needed attention please shoot me an email/pm and I will do my best to be here respond to any questions. Thank you all for the support.

[UWone77]

The brown rifle of y'all's was one of my favorites from Shot. I'm really digging the products BAD is coming out with in 2015


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I agree, this is going to be a great year for BAD. Eventually, I need to save a few pennies and get one of those receiver sets, but for now, I'll take a matching upper for my standard BAD-15 Lower.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I don't think I've ever seen anything from BAD that I didn't like/want. I'd love to put my hands on a set of the LW receivers.

[wdigeorge]

We try to do our best on each and every product but some times that can take longer as we are perfectionists.

This receiver set and the many lightweight components have been in development now for about two years but only recently came to light because we were waiting for Bentwood Gunsmithing to launch the OIP Ounces Is Pounds 3.9Lb rifle. We actually have the working prototype and production receiver sets for the OIP rifle about a year before the official release.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/FX4_2493_zps4fc429e9.jpg

[GOST]

I'll take a matching upper for my standard BAD-15 Lower.

A matched upper would be nice.

[wdigeorge]

We are working on a Forged BAD-15 Upper but will take some time as we are trying to make something "better" than just a standard upper. Much like the Forged Lower it is not your average forged receiver. We don't want to make anything "standard". The BAD-15 is about as "standard" of a product we make. We did recently received an Utility Patent for an upper receiver that we are working on incorporating the features into the forged upper.

Until then, our BAD556-LW Upper Receiver works and matches well with Forged Lowers. The finish texture is slightly different due to the Forged Lower Surfaces vs. 100% CNC machined surfaces. We don't treat our BAD-15 Lower Receivers too aggressively to remove too much material so you will see more of that smooth finish look.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/FX3_9357_zpsk6qawobq.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/wdigeorge/BADINC/FX3_9362_zpsj0qkenbc.jpg

[officerX]

I don't think I've ever seen anything from BAD that I didn't like/want. I'd love to put my hands on a set of the LW receivers.

I concur.