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Pyzik
24 June 2014, 11:55
Today was the first time I've taken the little one to the doc for her immunizations.

About the fourth question in about her came the "Any weapons in the home?".
I told him it was not a relevant question and it was none of his business.

He went on with "well it's not relevant now, but when she starts to crawl we want to make sure any guns are locked up... and we just want to document..."
I just said well that's not going to get answered.

Called the wife after and she was equally appalled at the invasion and said that if she's asked next time she'll give them a similar answer.

We were already considering looking for a new doc and this just might be the time, though I am sure the "all" ask now.

The doc was clearly offended that I wouldn't answer him too. He got somewhat short for the remainder of the visit.

FortTom
24 June 2014, 12:44
Instead of looking for another doctor, I believe i'd be looking for another state to live in. In, what I call, the "slave states", these things don't go away, they just get worse.
I understand that jobs, family's and just a whole plethora of things, dictate, to some degree, where we live. But states like NY and CA just went nearly bankrupt, and there was a mass exodus of taxpayer's to fund their left wing drivel. People got sick of the socialist policies, and working people got sick of being broke, paying the taxes to pay off other's mortgages, etc. Same with guns. But, the same politicians are still running those states, so they've proven they'll play the fiddle while Rome burns, if you know what I mean.

So, as far as gun laws in MI, new doc or not, that cat's out of the bag, and there'll be no turning back now. It's only just going to get more and more invasive, it's an agenda, and one that the left has plenty of support for by the voter's in MI.

I don't mean to sound curt, but it's just something you'll have to learn to live with, or leave. That's just reality. I do hope for the best for you though, and wish there was something that I could do to help you out.

Take Care
FT

Pyzik
24 June 2014, 12:55
Instead of looking for another doctor, I believe i'd be looking for another state to live in. In, what I call, the "slave states", these things don't go away, they just get worse.
I understand that jobs, family's and just a whole plethora of things, dictate, to some degree, where we live. But states like NY and CA just went nearly bankrupt, and there was a mass exodus of taxpayer's to fund their left wing drivel. People got sick of the socialist policies, and working people got sick of being broke, paying the taxes to pay off other's mortgages, etc. Same with guns. But, the same politicians are still running those states, so they've proven they'll play the fiddle while Rome burns, if you know what I mean.

So, as far as gun laws in MI, new doc or not, that cat's out of the bag, and there'll be no turning back now. It's only just going to get more and more invasive, it's an agenda, and one that the left has plenty of support for by the voter's in MI.

I don't mean to sound curt, but it's just something you'll have to learn to live with, or leave. That's just reality. I do hope for the best for you though, and wish there was something that I could do to help you out.

Take Care
FT

You're not being curt, sometimes the truth hurts. I've HATED our handgun registration anyway.

We've talked about it, actually. Most of our friends have moved out of state (Alaska, North Carolina [x2], Indiana and Kansas).

We originally decided that we should stick around to be close to family, but mine being over an hour away we seldom make it there and her's has proven to be... unreliable.
Perhaps it's time to reevaluate things again. I'm looking for a new job as it is and she is a manager at big bank so she can transfer.

FortTom
24 June 2014, 13:52
Well, I'm glad that you, at least, have options. A lot of people, and some I know, are pretty much stuck where they're at, for job, financial, and other reasons.

Good luck to you,

FT

MoxyDave
24 June 2014, 13:58
Moving away only serves to eliminate the opposition. Be politically active. Contact your representatives. I know it's a huge time suck and it's no fun but if everyone keeps ignoring the problems they will continue to grow.

Pyzik
24 June 2014, 14:03
Moving away only serves to eliminate the opposition. Be politically active. Contact your representatives. I know it's a huge time suck and it's no fun but if everyone keeps ignoring the problems they will continue to grow.

I am politically active and frequently email/write/call my reps (who are blue and don't care) and reps from other counties/districts what ARE voting the way I'd like and thanking them.
It is a time drain and often is frustrating.

EDIT: As a reference I just read this nauseatingly liberal article on "The Affordable Care Act" and firearms, if anyone else wants to submit themselves to the torture.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynmcclanahan/2012/07/23/gun-owner-rights-and-obamacare-yes-it-is-in-the-law/

Calico Jack
24 June 2014, 15:47
I would have just said no. Saying I am not going to answer that leads some to believe the answer is yes.

FortTom
24 June 2014, 15:47
Moving away only serves to eliminate the opposition. Be politically active. Contact your representatives. I know it's a huge time suck and it's no fun but if everyone keeps ignoring the problems they will continue to grow.
MD, when it comes to these kinds of gun laws, especially when the tentacles of those who impose them, begin to use them to invade other area's of our lives, sometimes folks do have to "cut and run". You can call, write, visit and otherwise communicate with your elected officials all you want, but if they overwhelmingly have the vote of the "anti-masses" such as states like CA, you're only satisfying your own self.

Case in point, if you lived in San Fransisco would you honestly be achieving anything by dumping boxes of mail to Nancy Pelosi? She doesn't have to do anything to win an election there, but file the proper paperwork. She doesn't need a conservative's vote. She'll be a U.S. Rep, until she decides not too. And she definitely doesn't give a big harry rat's rear end about 2A rights being trampled on. Boxer and Feinstein pretty much rule by decree, the rest of the state.

My point is, most of the power in these "slave states" is concentrated in 2 or 3 cities, and a guy like Pyzik might as well pee in the wind, although he might feel some sort of vindication by standing up to an vastly greater "army" of voters who re-elect these liberal fools.

Even the best and bravest soldiers know that sometimes it's better to retreat and fight another day. That's all i'm trying to say.

FT

GOST
24 June 2014, 18:12
I personally don't even like telling my wife where all the guns are at, afraid she might use one on me. I had my wife interview the girls pediatrician before a started using his office. In my opinion I would have probably told him yes and lots, and not let it show that it bothers you. The liberals like to portray conservatives as not being educated and rash. Moments like yours they will say the lunatic father keeps firearms accessible by kids, and not only should kids not be allowed at his house but they shouldn't allow him to have kids. Remember that the liberals are not very tolerant of our views and that we have to be smarter than them if we're gonna win back America.

GOST
24 June 2014, 19:51
Now saying all that I would have probably done the same thing you did. The only thing I like being asked is what I want to eat.

Judicator
24 June 2014, 19:54
I live in MA everything is registered here. Gotta love this place, but my kids doc asks too. We just answer yes. I ain't that concerned about it. State knows I have them anyways.


Sent from my IPhone, please ignore spelling mistakes. Siri is dumb.

browcs
25 June 2014, 19:10
Intrusive questions like that make the uber-sarcastic New Yorker in me come out and want to ask things like, "I'll answer that doc, but first answer this for me: how many times have you been sued for medical malpractice? Do you drink alcohol? How often? Why am I asking you this? Because I don't want my child to be seen by someone who may have had a drink or two during lunch today. Oh, by the way, is your marriage stable? Why are you offended by that question doc, after all would you want to have your child attended to by someone possibly distracted with marital strife? Still want to ask me whether I own guns?"

....in other words doc, I'll mind my business if you mind yours.

Computalotapus
25 June 2014, 19:12
Intrusive questions like that make the uber-sarcastic New Yorker in me come out and want to ask things like, "I'll answer that doc, but first answer this for me: how many times have you been sued for medical malpractice? Do you drink alcohol? How often? Why am I asking you this? Because I don't want my child to be seen by someone who may have had a drink or two during lunch today. Oh, by the way, is your marriage stable? Why are you offended by that question doc, after all would you want to have your child attended to by someone possibly distracted with marital strife? Still want to ask me whether I own guns?"

....in other words doc, I'll mind my business if you mind yours.

I would not like to be on the other side of your interrogation table haha

FortTom
25 June 2014, 21:20
Intrusive questions like that make the uber-sarcastic New Yorker in me come out and want to ask things like, "I'll answer that doc, but first answer this for me: how many times have you been sued for medical malpractice? Do you drink alcohol? How often? Why am I asking you this? Because I don't want my child to be seen by someone who may have had a drink or two during lunch today. Oh, by the way, is your marriage stable? Why are you offended by that question doc, after all would you want to have your child attended to by someone possibly distracted with marital strife? Still want to ask me whether I own guns?"

....in other words doc, I'll mind my business if you mind yours.
Much more intelligent than anything that I would have come up with...I'd just see red and fight off the urge to choke the living crap out of him...[:D]

Wolverine
25 June 2014, 22:54
I never got that question living in Michigan but the last time people talked about it on MGO, I think it was said it's some sort of anti-gun Doctors group that make up the generic forms.

GOST
26 June 2014, 01:39
Browcs you're a New Yorker? I knew there was something wrong with you.[:D]

GOST
26 June 2014, 01:40
If you guys think that question was intrusive you should have heard the stuff I asked my wife when we met.

Soisauss
26 June 2014, 12:46
Intrusive questions like that make the uber-sarcastic New Yorker in me come out and want to ask things like, "I'll answer that doc, but first answer this for me: how many times have you been sued for medical malpractice? Do you drink alcohol? How often? Why am I asking you this? Because I don't want my child to be seen by someone who may have had a drink or two during lunch today. Oh, by the way, is your marriage stable? Why are you offended by that question doc, after all would you want to have your child attended to by someone possibly distracted with marital strife? Still want to ask me whether I own guns?"

....in other words doc, I'll mind my business if you mind yours.

I think we have a detective here :p

And yes, I would hate to be on the opposite side of the interrogation table.

Glad I live in indiana.

TAZ
27 June 2014, 18:43
I'm not sure that this is a regional thing instead of a new AMA push thing. My SIL is a pediatrician and the get the push at conferences and such. She just laughs and doesn't bother unless she thinks there is a medical reason for the question.

My pediatrician didn't ask. When my son was born I was going through a case of ammo a week and reloading so when they started running blood work on him during his regular check ups I had them tack on a Lead test to be sure I wasn't exposing him to anything problematic. Didn't really tell them why nor did they ask. They could think I lived in a classic home or something I guess.

My plan is similar to the above in that I would ask a lot of questions about the Docs formal training in personal security and threat evaluation along with how much his malpractice insurance would cover or does he have a separate rider on his policy for offering professional advice without any formal training to back it up. And then I'd find a different doctor.

You could always bald face lie to them.

Hmac
27 June 2014, 19:15
You guys are taking this way too seriously. The doctor works for you. Just decline to answer. If you don't like the question, don't answer it. If you find it rude, fire the doctor. If you're rude to him/her, they won't hesitate to fire you as a patient...you certainly have the same option.

GOST
27 June 2014, 19:19
If you get fired as the patient do you still have to pay?

Hmac
27 June 2014, 19:26
If you get fired as the patient do you still have to pay?

You only pay for services rendered. If you get a bill for the visit where you got fired, just refuse to pay it.

GOST
27 June 2014, 19:29
You only pay for services rendered. If you get a bill for the visit where you got fired, just refuse to pay it.

I've tried this with the wife, it doesn't work.

UWone77
27 June 2014, 20:51
This is one of many reasons my wife didn't go into Primary Care. Her stint in the ER sealed the deal with too many rude patients to simple questions. Although I agree that this question is unnecessary, I'd like to think if my doctor asked me, I would politely decline to answer as I've developed a relationship with my family doctor over the past 20 years. I would treat him with the same respect as he shows me. Obviously, if your doctor is a dick about the question and responds to your answer in a snarky way, I'd fire him as Hmac mentioned.

As for the firearms questions, that's an AMA thing, which is one of the big reasons my wife isn't an AMA member, another they like to spam Doctors to join, reminds me of the the dozens of mailings you get once you cancel your subscription to a crap magazine.

Hmac
28 June 2014, 00:40
As for the firearms questions, that's an AMA thing, which is one of the big reasons my wife isn't an AMA member, another they like to spam Doctors to join, reminds me of the the dozens of mailings you get once you cancel your subscription to a crap magazine.

Actually, only about 15% of practicing physicians are members of the AMA. It's a pretty out-of-touch organization that retains its power as a lobbying organization from sheer momentum. I don't know any doctors that are members of the AMA, and I know a lot of doctors. As to dozens of mailings seeking me as a member...I actually get more desperate junk mail from the NRA than I get from the AMA and I am a member of the NRA.

Anyway, it's not really the AMA, it's the specialty organizations. Virtually all of them have a position on guns and the vast majority are opposed. Some take a more active stance than others, and some have gone so far as to recommend that their members ask these guns-in-the-home questions of their patients on the basis of gun violence as a public health issue. Like infant car seats, smoking, or bicycle helmets. As with any such organization, the leadership may or may not represent the majority of the members. The National Association of Chiefs of Police is anti-gun too.

As fun as it is to fantasize about telling these "nosey" doctors off, they're just trying to do their job as they see it. A person might not agree with their doctor's stance on a lot of political issues. If that's a problem and intrudes on your relationship then it's a reason to find another doctor. Trust me, if you respond rudely, he/she won't meekly just "learn a lesson" from your witticisms...they won't engage you in some kind of political debate...they'll just fire you as a patient and move on to the next of the 50-60 patients out in the waiting room that are waiting to see him/her. Life is short. The lines are long. Who needs the aggravation?

TAZ
28 June 2014, 06:45
You're correct. Life is short and we shouldn't spend much if it around people we don't like or think are idiots.

But it's still fun to screw with them before you take your business elsewhere.

The truth of the matter is that most people will just put up with the invasive, useless, non medically relevant (in most cases) questions and move on with life. This is why they continue to do it; cause no one pushes back. As with everyone out there they have to protect their bottom line. Letting them know they have lost a paying customer and will probably need to pick up a number of ObamaCare/Medicare/welfare rats to make the same profit will give them a clue.

Just as there are plenty of patients out there doesn't mean we need to take it in the shorts. There are plenty of good doctors out there to choose from still. May not be the case in a few years, but while they are out there find them and use them. Leave the dipshits who can't understand the difference between politics and medicine to deal with their own kind.

Hmac
28 June 2014, 08:23
Letting them know they have lost a paying customer and will probably need to pick up a number of ObamaCare/Medicare/welfare rats to make the same profit will give them a clue.

Heh. Nice fantasy, but it doesn't work that way. Marcus Welby is dead. The VAST majority of primary care doctors are salaried these days - private practice is pretty much done. Your departure won't cause even a ripple in their thought process. They'll collect the same paycheck and punch out at 5 PM, same as always.



Just as there are plenty of patients out there doesn't mean we need to take it in the shorts. There are plenty of good doctors out there to choose from still. May not be the case in a few years, but while they are out there find them and use them. Leave the dipshits who can't understand the difference between politics and medicine to deal with their own kind.

Yeah...I think you're pretty fuzzy on the way it works. But for the time being I agree with your basic premise...if you CAN find a regular doctor, you should find one that you're comfortable with, by whatever criteria you feel is important. You will be happier and I guarantee that your doctor will appreciate it, both the old one that you fired and the new one. Win, win, win. Who says the free market doesn't work?

browcs
28 June 2014, 18:17
Browcs you're a New Yorker? I knew there was something wrong with you.[:D]

Brother if you only knew.....

browcs
28 June 2014, 18:19
I think we have a detective here :p

And yes, I would hate to be on the opposite side of the interrogation table.

Glad I live in indiana.

Don't worry, my jurisdiction extends to IN [:D]

Soisauss
28 June 2014, 21:35
Don't worry, my jurisdiction extends to IN [:D]
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Paulo_Santos
6 July 2014, 18:01
Oh my god. Some of you guys need to lighten up. My kids doctor asked us about guns, child seats, and a bunch of other silly questions. I told them I am a police officer and I have guns, so she just said, "obviously you know about gun safety and how to properly store them." That's it. She asked about the child seats and I told her I was a certified child seat inspector at work and she said, "oh, that's awesome." They are just asking questions to help out.

FortTom
6 July 2014, 18:35
Oh my god. Some of you guys need to lighten up. My kids doctor asked us about guns, child seats, and a bunch of other silly questions. I told them I am a police officer and I have guns, so she just said, "obviously you know about gun safety and how to properly store them." That's it. She asked about the child seats and I told her I was a certified child seat inspector at work and she said, "oh, that's awesome." They are just asking questions to help out.

While you make valid points, I have to question if I'd had received the same courteous banter, by not having LEO credentials. And no matter what their motives, some boundaries are still in place even with the best doctor-patient relationship. I don't doubt that "they are asking questions to help out". But to what end? Politically motivated, typically intrusive liberal ideals, or strictly children's health. I think it's presumptive to advise people to lighten up, on such a hot button issue, to begin with. Surely, if someone is intelligent enough to get through medical school, they have to know that it's not always going to bode well to ask all patients intrusive questions, having nothing to do with their child's fever, or check-up.

As mentioned already, I seriously doubt that they are going to be happy as can be if you ask them when they had their last drink, how much they drink, are they under the influence of marijuana, etc..etc.. questions that definitely go to your providers ability practice medicine on a child or anyone else.

FT

Paulo_Santos
6 July 2014, 18:42
While you make valid points, I have to question if I'd had received the same courteous banter, by not having LEO credentials. And no matter what their motives, some boundaries are still in place even with the best doctor-patient relationship. I don't doubt that "they are asking questions to help out". But to what end? Politically motivated, typically intrusive liberal ideals, or strictly children's health. I think it's presumptive to advise people to lighten up, on such a hot button issue, to begin with. Surely, if someone is intelligent enough to get through medical school, they have to know that it's not always going to bode well to ask all patients intrusive questions, having nothing to do with their child's fever, or check-up.

As mentioned already, I seriously doubt that they are going to be happy as can be if you ask them when they had their last drink, how much they drink, are they under the influence of marijuana, etc..etc.. questions that definitely go to your providers ability practice medicine on a child or anyone else.

FT

I have friends who are non LE and were asked the same questions and they have guns. They all answered the questions and nothing else was asked. The doctor actually gave one of my friends some good advise on child seats, which happens to be the same advice I give.

FortTom
6 July 2014, 19:29
P_Santos,
If your friends are more than happy to answer those questions, and go merrily along their way, I have no problem with that. If your doctor is qualified to give advice on child seat safety, even better.

But to suggest that all people should be so willing to be so forthcoming about their personal business, that has nothing to do with the issue at hand is myopic at best. My children are both grown adults with families of their own. They can choose to answer or not answer such questions if they choose to, and I say so be it. But as I stated, any non-related information is "ask at your own risk". If the doctor get's shut down immediately in their questioning, then they should be professional enough to realized that they have crossed boundaries, and go on about the task in hand. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking for another doctor, neither party will be injured by doing so.

Had I ever been asked some personal non-related information about my family, or anything else for that matter, other than polite conversation, I would have asked them why they would ask something of such a personal nature, made it clear that some things are "off limits", and gone about my business. If that mean having to find another doctor, then so be it.

The bottom line? I think is for the individual to decide for themselves, and answer or choose not too, without being judged, or compelled to take either side of the issue.

FT

Paulo_Santos
7 July 2014, 05:07
P_Santos,
If your friends are more than happy to answer those questions, and go merrily along their way, I have no problem with that. If your doctor is qualified to give advice on child seat safety, even better.

But to suggest that all people should be so willing to be so forthcoming about their personal business, that has nothing to do with the issue at hand is myopic at best. My children are both grown adults with families of their own. They can choose to answer or not answer such questions if they choose to, and I say so be it. But as I stated, any non-related information is "ask at your own risk". If the doctor get's shut down immediately in their questioning, then they should be professional enough to realized that they have crossed boundaries, and go on about the task in hand. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking for another doctor, neither party will be injured by doing so.

Had I ever been asked some personal non-related information about my family, or anything else for that matter, other than polite conversation, I would have asked them why they would ask something of such a personal nature, made it clear that some things are "off limits", and gone about my business. If that mean having to find another doctor, then so be it.

The bottom line? I think is for the individual to decide for themselves, and answer or choose not too, without being judged, or compelled to take either side of the issue.

FT

Everyone has the right to look for a different doctor if they choose. I personally think it is silly to go so far when at the end of the day, nothing is gonna happen if you say yes. Or just say no.

Hmac
7 July 2014, 05:19
"guns in home" is a check-box on the computer screen on the doctor's EHR. You guys would like to believe that the doctor has some kind of emotional or political interest in your answer or will be offended by or "learn a lesson" from your snarky answers. They don't. It's actually being promoted by states, specialty organizations, or the Federal government...they're the ones who care about the answer for their statistical and/or political purposes. In some cases, it's the clinic that the doctor works for that tracks the item as part of their per-doctor auditing process. The vast majority of doctors don't care any more than they care about your history of chicken pox - professionally important, emotionally not-invested. That data, like your history of smoking or your Body Mass Index, will probably someday (if not already) be available to those organizations even without your permission. IMHO, a good reason to either answer "no", or just politely refuse to answer. One wonders what happens if your health record reflects that you own guns, and at some point down the road you end up being treated or hosptialized for depression or if you someday get a restrainiing order filed against you. Your health record would be a pretty convenient place to look for that stuff.

The "guns in home" check box exists in every single brand of Electronic Health Record software. The vast majority of doctors don't even bother with the question. That may change. The Feds through CMS are providing incentives for asking certain questions as part of the medical history-taking process and developing standardized problem lists. Some insurance companies already do this. In a couple of years they plan on providing monetary penalities if the record DOESN'T contain certain items or protocols (google "meaningful use").



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FortTom
7 July 2014, 12:54
Everyone has the right to look for a different doctor if they choose. I personally think it is silly to go so far when at the end of the day, nothing is gonna happen if you say yes. Or just say no. Really? Changing doctors? That's all you see in the whole conversation? Hell, I've changed doctors, just because I didn't like the one I had. I'm sure the doctor didn't care, any more than I did. Funny thing, the new one was just down the hall from the old one.


"guns in home" is a check-box on the computer screen on the doctor's EHR. You guys would like to believe that the doctor has some kind of emotional or political interest in your answer or will be offended by or "learn a lesson" from your snarky answers. They don't. It's actually being promoted by states, specialty organizations, or the Federal government...they're the ones who care about the answer for their statistical and/or political purposes.. In a couple of years they plan on providing monetary penalities if the record DOESN'T contain certain items or protocols (google "meaningful use")..

"Statistical and or POLIITCAL purposes"? It doesn't matter who's asking the question, it's what they're doing with the information. I want to volunteer information to them for sure.

Really, you paint with a wide brush brother. "You Guy's"," snarky answers". I certainly don't want to have a feud with a doctor. I will shut him/her down if they're being nosy, no matter who they're collecting the information for, and for what purposes.

I guess you trust the government a lot more than I do. If so, that's cool. No information will ever be used against you, by what ever government agency they are collecting it for. I guess.

Let see, the IRS, Homeland Security, BATFE, Justice Department, NSA, Spying on US Citizens, Drones, and on and on. Nah, no chance of anything nefarious going on with a little more of your personal info getting into the hands of federal bureaucrats. Besides if they think of abusing their powers, all those involved will just have a simultaneous hard drive crash, and lose it anyway.

HMAC you just keep believing that, "it's for the children/for the community" mantra that the liberals love to use. It worked beautifully for Hitler, and despots ever since.[:D]

Seriously HMAC, it concerns me, not one bit, what you wish to talk to your doctor about. I judge you not one iota, you're a free person, in a "for now", still free country. It is [B]entirely your business, and yours alone.

You ought to extend that same courtesy to those who disagree with you, by not watering the whole issue down to "snarky answers" for the rest of us, whose whole life is not an open book to our doctors, government functionaries, etc..

FT

Hmac
7 July 2014, 17:19
You need to read my position a little closer. You completely missed the point.

Let me break it down into easier-to-understand bites:


your doctor doesn't really care about guns in the home
if your doctor ever asks you a question you're not comfortable answering, then just politely decline
if they ask you about guns in the home, IMHO you should just answer "no", or decline to answer. That's not information you want in the hands of the government. I go through my medical record often and delete stuff that's inaccurate or that I don't want shared.
there's no need to be impolite to the doctor no matter how good it feels. He/she isn't being impolite to you and he/she might fire you as a patient.

KevinBLC
7 July 2014, 17:33
I don't really get why people are fired up about this. When Doc asks, I just told him no. It wasn't a big deal. Not sure why some get offended. It's like if a stranger asked you a personal question. No need to get fired up, just say none of your business or move along. No one needs to be rude. My 2 cents.

Hmac
7 July 2014, 17:34
I don't really get why people are fired up about this. When Doc asks, I just told him no. It wasn't a big deal. Not sure why some get offended. It's like if a stranger asked you a personal question. No need to get fired up, just say none of your business or move along. No one needs to be rude. My 2 cents.

Exactly. Thank you.

ddearmon2010
21 October 2014, 04:12
my answer to this question is always the same.... what has that got to do with (whatever I'm there for)? is a gun going to inflame the symptoms?

Hmac
21 October 2014, 06:04
my answer to this question is always the same.... what has that got to do with (whatever I'm there for)? is a gun going to inflame the symptoms?

It has nothing to do with your health. The government is building a database on us. That question is just one more data point.

skijunkie55
21 October 2014, 07:39
When my daughter was born in July, her doctor had to be called in to discharge my wife and the baby from the hospital. He wasn't answering his pager so they called his home. His wife said "you'll have to keep trying to page him. He's out at the shooting range."

I'm not too concerned about that question coming up :)
west side of Michigan is 100x better than the east side.

Hmac
21 October 2014, 09:00
When my daughter was born in July, her doctor had to be called in to discharge my wife and the baby from the hospital. He wasn't answering his pager so they called his home. His wife said "you'll have to keep trying to page him. He's out at the shooting range."

I'm not too concerned about that question coming up :)
west side of Michigan is 100x better than the east side.

The government provides financial incentives now, ultimately financial sanctions, for "meaningful use" of electronic health records. Their interpretation of meaningful use is, among other things, obtaining certain data points during an exam. Currently, those are things like smoking, recording the weight, blood pressure, etc, but it's certainly no stretch to see the point where physicians are incented for asking about things like guns in home, driving record, amount of alcohol you drink etc, then penalized for not asking and recording.

WHSmithIV
21 October 2014, 10:48
I'm just glad we chose Idaho to live in when we left Finland.

Hmac
21 October 2014, 11:00
Idaho would be a nice place to live. Unfortunately, these issues are a national trend and Idaho isn't immune.

rayjax82
21 October 2014, 11:06
I answered no to the question when my kids' pediatrician asked. It doesn't have any business being on mine or their medical records, and if someone really wants to know if I own guns all they need to do is look at the WA state pistol registry. Or what websites I visit. That said, I see no reason to be rude to anyone in this life. Much more can be accomplished with honey than vinegar, and no one wants to be associated with a group that everyone considers, "assholes."

Keep that in mind the next time you feel the need to go of on someone for such a paltry reason.

Beware of what you post on the internet, by the way. I'm a machinist, but my side business is serving legal papers(I know, I know. But it keeps me in ammo). You would be surprised what Google can tell me about a person I'm trying to find to serve. There's potentially far more information on the internet about you that can be much more easily farmed than whats in your medical record. And far more damaging information as well.

Just an FYI.

WHSmithIV
21 October 2014, 12:05
Idaho would be a nice place to live. Unfortunately, these issues are a national trend and Idaho isn't immune.

So far, no forms I have seen here have the question on them. I think they just pretty much take for granted that all Idahoans have guns which wouldn't be far off the mark. Of all the homes I've been to in this valley making house calls to fix computers I can count on one hand those customers that don't have guns...Most of them have many more than just one. The population of this county alone is easily over 90% armed. Guns get donated as raffle items here. There was even a car dealer down in Mountain Home giving out a new 12 or 20 gauge shotgun with every purchase of a new or used Jeep or truck from their lot ... Just gotta love this state [:)]

ArsonMachine
23 October 2014, 16:22
I answered no when asked. But occasionally when asked if I have any guns I will reply "I got 2 of the biggest guns you've ever seen" then pull up my arms and make a Pew Pew noise as I flex them. Humor tends to disarm some folks, especially when you are tall lanky and goofy looking. Makes people forget their question sometimes and they move on.

Also, food for thought, if they ask if you have any weapons in the house as opposed to asking if you have guns, start rattling off a good long list of all of the objects you have in the house that could be used as weapons. Things like your machete, kitchen knives, baseball bat, car, rebar out in the garage, hammer, screw driver, 2x4 etc. Being pedantic in the face of invasive questions can also be fun. Especially when you have Doc's that are obviously pushing an agenda. The last thing I want to do is spend more time in a Doctor's office having them try to reprimand me for owning guns and try to pontificate to me about gun safety when it is far from their area of expertise in most cases. Good thing our new doc is infinitely better than the old one plus they are very conservative and super nice.

Dstrbdmedic167
23 October 2014, 16:36
i answered yes on mine but no to the kids' forms. Only reason I said yes is when I was filling it out my doctor and I were discussing our next range meeting... im not worried about him lol. Any doctor that carries in his own office is ok by me... One of the many reasons I go to him

RomeoTango
23 October 2014, 19:23
Rofl!! You guys are for the most part, quite entertaining! Idk what to tell you about the gun questions from the doc. I live on the border of Ar and Ok. I don't have to deal with this cause they assume everyone has them I guess. Lol. However, my doc is from Africa. Awesome dude! He still has most of his family there and has several farms. Talks to me about shooting and what kind of guns he has, here and back on the farm. Occasionally goes back to check things out or fight off shitbags trying to take what's theirs. He is freakin huge tho!! Like 7'2". Has the biggest damn hands I've ever seen! I guess when I hit the age of having to get mah prostate checked, he's gonna be sittin that one out.