How do you like fixed stocks

[mustangfreek]

Lately i have been thinking of swapping my stock setup on my dedicated bench/prone 18 gun. Right now it has a STR on it with a mil spec tube. I dont really ever adjust it, only time is when in/out of case/safe.

So asking those that have and have gone from a col. stock to fixed stock ghow do yo ulike it?

Also what stock? Im looking at them all but not sure if i want to go uber cheap and old school and grab a black A1 stock setup, or for a few more bux try the fixed magpul rifle stock, or the more $$$ PRS stock

How do people like the fixed magpul rifle stock? cheek rest?

Never played with one and dont have the option, i also really like the features of the PRS , but$$$ is a problem, but wil lwait if its the end all stock..or will a good old A1/A2 stock do the job?

Discuss, even more better, posting pics of your setups..encouraged....[:D]

[rob_s]

Some time back I pulled all of my ARs out of the safe and ran the stocks out to the length I would shoot them. I happened to have a lower with a fixed A2 stock on it so I held that up to each of the lowers with collapsible stocks. Turns out, all my stocks were just shy of A2 length when shooting! As it turns out, they were almost all right at A1 length. I picked up a Cavarms C1 stock, installed it on my gun full of excuses (iron sights, Dissipator, stock trigger, A2 hider, etc.) and have spent all of the past 12 months or more shooting that gun in my monthly matches. What I've found...

the length is perfect. I live in Florida so there isn't a lot of clothing change, I don't wear armor, and nobody but me shoots this gun. If I had to deal with a winter coat, armor, or sharing the gun with liliputians, the fixed stock might be a problem.
The rifle buffer system is very soft. Combine it with the mid-length gas on the BCM upper I am using and it's really very nice to shoot. I snicker every time I hear someone brag about their A5 buffer.
It's not heavier in any appreciable way. That may be a function of the gun it's on, which has no optic weighing it down but does have rifle-legth handguards on it making it front heavy. This may be one of those balance vs. weight things.
The sling works wonderfully. I installed a QD socket on the outboard side of the rear of the stock and the inboard side at the muzzle end of the handguard. I use a Sheriff of Baghdad sling. The combo is great. Never tires, sling stays out of the way, etc.

The only major negative (outside clothes, armor, and midgets) is that the majority of soft cases these days are designed around 16" guns will collapsing stocks. So my rifle just barely fits in my case and has to be jammed in diagonally. Not a big deal, but if it was about 1/2" longer (or, an A2) it wouldn't have fit and I'd have needed to buy a new case just for this gun.
The only other issue is that I like a rubberized butt pad so it sticks to me. I kept thinking I'd plasti-dip the trap door assembly but never did, so it must not have mattered much.

I would not opt for the A2 length as I think that's just a bit too long.

[voodoo_man]

I've had them, and they are not for me.

[schambers]

A fixed stock with length of pull and comb height adjustment is very convenient if you are using a magnified optic and are planning on shooting accurately at distance.

A rifle with a standard adjustable but stock is usefull if you plan on using body armor and a consistent cheek weld isn't your top priority.

[Jerry R]

I wanted one setup as an SPR / DMR type rifle. Used prone or benchrest only, the A2 works very well for me. But, my knuckles drag the ground. Long arms, and easy cheek-weld for the scope are bene's for me on this rig. Like Rob says, the rifle buffer system on a mid-gas Rainier Ultra-Match upper makes for easy shooting.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0952RagansSPRWithScope.jpg~original

[Ride4frnt]

When I switch from my A2 stock on my SPR it will be to this. Similar to the PRS, comparable adjustments (think the luth actually adjusts more), and half the price of magpul. This is designed by Randy Luth, founder of DPMS.

http://www.luth-ar.com/the-mba-modular-buttstock-assembly/

[gatordev]

I'd ask, like many other things with guns, how do you intend to use the weapon? You mention it's a SPR-type bench/prone gun, so I'm guessing that's the only way you shoot it, correct? If so, I'm guessing a fixed stock would be fine. But if you use it (or ever intend to use it) in a more tactical or dynamic (for lack of a better word) environment, being able to collapse or extend the stock is good to keep your proper eye-relief.

Personally, I don't just shoot my MK12 from the prone or bench (and even when moving between the two, I need to adjust LOP, depending on how much zoom I'm using), so I like the ability to adjust the stock. Every time I think about getting an A2 stock for my MK12 to make it "more correct," I then realize that I enjoy shooting it more than taking pictures, and being able to occassionally do either a SPR class or a local tactical precision match recages my desires back to what I already have (which happens to be an ACS).

But again, I'd say it's how you want to use (or continue to use) your gun.

[Pyzik]

When I switch from my A2 stock on my SPR it will be to this. Similar to the PRS, comparable adjustments (think the luth actually adjusts more), and half the price of magpul. This is designed by Randy Luth, founder of DPMS.

http://www.luth-ar.com/the-mba-modular-buttstock-assembly/

Wow, that's a pretty good price.

I'm like you, mustang; the only time I adjust mine is when someone wants to see how it adjusts... LOL

[mustangfreek]

Im hearing what you guys are saying.

That luth stock looks interesting.

This rifle so far just lives on the bench or ground shooting groups, steel or whatever. Other AR's i have dont live on the bench. as to why i asked, especially fro msomeone who went from a col. stock setup to a fixed.

Wanted to know how people liked the differences between the A1/A2 to the magpul fixed rifle stock and how it was as far as overall impression and cheek weld. or was the PRS the way to go..Again have not played with any fixed stocks. last time was years ago when i told my dad we needed to knock the dust off his old colt hbar with a2 stock..lol..

And edit..Damn nice rifle Jerry..[:D]

[Paulo_Santos]

I've used a ton of different stocks and one of my favorite was the Vltor A1 Modstock.

http://www.vltor.com/products/stocks/

[BC98]

I'll definitely be running a fixed stock on a near-future precision build as I typically extend stocks all the way when shooting prone or from the bench anyway. I have also been considering picking up something in the A1 length as I find myself running stocks at around the 3 or 4 position on an A5 tube.

[rob_s]

Two videos I found of myself shooting showing why, I think, the A1 length stock works for me regardless of prone, standing, etc. note the difference in my shoulder and hip positions between the two.

2010
http://youtu.be/MgvOMJan2d8


2012
http://youtu.be/vHyhZQ65K6s

[mustangfreek]

So no one runs the magpul fixed rifle stock? Just curious , how sturdy it actually feels and how the cheekweld is? As it looks like the a1/a2 comb height and about a a1 LOP.


Like this pic, which is comparing the fixed stock to the prs https://store.magpul.com/images/uploads/181_1029_large.jpg

[rob_s]

The Magpul wasn't out when I went fixed, but I think it's A2 length, no?

[mustangfreek]

Quote and pic i found on a google search i bookmarked for the pic and info

A1 Stock = 11.9oz
A2 Stock = 13.2 oz
MOE Rifle = 14.0 oz

" "Magpul mentioned on their FB page that the LOP is 13.25"
"The MOE rifle is about half way between an A1 and an A2 in length. Uses rifle buffer tube with no spacer."

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/wildhawk66/IMG_6490_zps3273dff3.jpg

http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp110/wildhawk66/IMG_6484_zpsd37aac69.jpg

[XACT_ABORT]

So no one runs the magpul fixed rifle stock? Just curious , how sturdy it actually feels and how the cheekweld is? As it looks like the a1/a2 comb height and about a a1 LOP.


Like this pic, which is comparing the fixed stock to the prs https://store.magpul.com/images/uploads/181_1029_large.jpg

I have a Magpul rifle stock and I really like it. As others have said it's a bit longer than most adjustable stocks fully extended. The look, feel, and overall quality of the piece is impressive to me. I typically over think things and get really hung up on my impressions of quality. I know I have probably missed out on some things because for whatever reason I can't get past a first impression that I didn't find favorable but it's not the case worth this piece. The stock frankly exceeded my expectations. No slop in the release button for the storage compartment or the door, it's finished very well inside and out.

I have it mounted to a Mega forged upper and lower set, there is no noticeable movement of the stock attached to the lower and there is also no movement between the lower and upper so it just feels like one rigid piece. If I grab the forend woth my left hand and the end of th.e stock with my right and twist, I feel no movement. It really came together nicely. I can't compare the cheek weld to much as I really haven't been exposed to everything but it feels almost identical to my ACS-L ( the only other stock I own currently) when shouldering as far as my cheek on the stock which I really like.

Anyway, just the impressions of a novice but I won't be switching it. I like the overall feel of the rifle too much, there are many reasons but the stock I think is a huge part of it. I don't imagine the quality of the part would turn you off, more whether or not you want to lose the flexibility of the adjustable stock. I have found that I really don't ever move the adjustable stocks I have used once they're set though. Considering I built the rifle as a bench gun almost exclusively for shooting at the outdoor range close to my house I wouldn't change a thing and absolutely don't regret the choice. YMMV, hope this helps in some way. Be sure to let us know what you decide!

[mustangfreek]

^^ Thanks for the reply..ya havent decided yet, kinda re-doing that build slowly, just swapped out the rail to something better and now want to address the stock and trigger, gun has a 18" rainier match barrel that proves to shoot very good groups so far with factory and hand loaded ammo, even with a crappy,gritty mil spec trigger..lol..

[LanceCriminal]

I'd ask, like many other things with guns, how do you intend to use the weapon? You mention it's a SPR-type bench/prone gun, so I'm guessing that's the only way you shoot it, correct? If so, I'm guessing a fixed stock would be fine. But if you use it (or ever intend to use it) in a more tactical or dynamic (for lack of a better word) environment, being able to collapse or extend the stock is good to keep your proper eye-relief.

Personally, I don't just shoot my MK12 from the prone or bench (and even when moving between the two, I need to adjust LOP, depending on how much zoom I'm using), so I like the ability to adjust the stock. Every time I think about getting an A2 stock for my MK12 to make it "more correct," I then realize that I enjoy shooting it more than taking pictures, and being able to occassionally do either a SPR class or a local tactical precision match recages my desires back to what I already have (which happens to be an ACS).

But again, I'd say it's how you want to use (or continue to use) your gun.

I actually went from a SOPMOD on my Mk12 to an A1. It took getting used to on my Mod 0 since the eyepiece has to be a bit further forward, but it feels more natural now. I actually am converting mine from Mod 0 to Mod 1 right now, but I plan to stick to the A1 stock on that lower. If I really want to shoot with a collapsible stock, I can just drop it on my SBR lower.

[gatordev]

It seems like the A1 is the happy medium between the three conventional choices if you want a fixed stock. I just have what already works for me and my shooting disciplines, so I'm sticking with it.

Oh, I should have clarified, mine is a MOD 1, as well (Centurion Arms), but with non-clone optic (the horror!) and the ACS. Sure is a sweet shooter.

[mustangfreek]

Well to somewhat update this,gonna give the Magpul rifle length fixed stock a try, as i just checked thru my local supplier.....[:D]....and they have these in stock..

[Creeky73]

I have had an A2, the magpul rifle length fixed, and currently have the shorter magpul fixed.

I like the fixed stocks for a couple of reasons. I never found much reason to play with stock length, once I found the length I like, outside of trying to get it into a smaller bag/case/space. No body armor, and only during the coldest weeks of the winter would I be wearing clothing heavy enough to require adjusting stock length.

Also, I'm that guy who hates a gun that rattles. I understand that it is neither here nor there in practice, it is just a personal preference. But I ditched the adjustable stocks prolly 3 guns back. It also simplifies your lower build, when you don't need a special wrench for a special nut on the buffer tube, and don't have to debate as to whether or not to stake that nut. I just skipped it all.

The A2 was too long, as I have short stubby arms. I could live with the magpul fixed rifle, but would have liked to take another 1/2-3/4" off of it. The fixed carbine length magpul that I have now is perfect for me, but admittedly too short for most people. I am sure an extended pad would fix that for most people. Also note though, that this stock only works with adjustable buffer tubes that use the castle nut, which defeats part of what I said I liked about fixed stocks above. However, I didn't build the gun it is being used on, so in this case, it isn't an issue for me [:)]

[mustangfreek]

Well mounted up the magpul MOE rifle length fixed stock today, along with swapped out the old troy rail for a samson evo.Overall first impression on this stock are good, perfect cheek weld with the scope and ADM mount.

Also measured this stock at just over 10" from the back of the receiver and the measured a regular carbine 6 pos. stock and ctr and all the way out it measured 10 1/2" , so pretty close.

Quick iphone pic

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z176/mustang91_2007/photo1_zps8e25bb37.jpg (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/mustang91_2007/media/photo1_zps8e25bb37.jpg.html)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z176/mustang91_2007/photo2_zpsc99712ab.jpg (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/mustang91_2007/media/photo2_zpsc99712ab.jpg.html)

[XACT_ABORT]

MF, I'm digging that rifle. Looks like we had a similar idea in mind, mine is still waiting on a scope and mount. Collecting dust I'm sad to say. I almost went with the same forend and muzzle device, but I decided on a Midwest Industries piece with a phantom... Anyhow I hope you like the stock and again the gun looks sweet.

[KevinBLC]

Not a fan of fixed stocks, but that rifle looks great!

[Ride4frnt]

Well mounted up the magpul MOE rifle length fixed stock today, along with swapped out the old troy rail for a samson evo.Overall first impression on this stock are good, perfect cheek weld with the scope and ADM mount.

Also measured this stock at just over 10" from the back of the receiver and the measured a regular carbine 6 pos. stock and ctr and all the way out it measured 10 1/2" , so pretty close.

Quick iphone pic

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z176/mustang91_2007/photo1_zps8e25bb37.jpg (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/mustang91_2007/media/photo1_zps8e25bb37.jpg.html)

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z176/mustang91_2007/photo2_zpsc99712ab.jpg (http://s194.photobucket.com/user/mustang91_2007/media/photo2_zpsc99712ab.jpg.html)

That makes me want that stock on my 18" build. I'll be running that scope and mount as well.

[mustangfreek]

thanks guys..its my first build and sorta just revamped a few things..the trigger is another thing it needs..poor thing is running a stock PSA FCG with a polish job on it..lol

Also a VG6 gamma in stainless would look better..but one thing at a time..

[XACT_ABORT]

Been meaning to add mine since we started discussing the rifle stocks...This one is materially complete but I'm embarrassed to say has been sitting for awhile... stupid busy lately. Still needs a bipod, scope, and mount. Although I'm pretty sure I'm going to move the scope from my other gun.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3788/14091888279_8e5373a643_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ntfBr2)
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/14091893448_abcc4b9054_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/ntfCY9)