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UWone77
28 October 2014, 07:17
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Just wanted to welcome Arisaka Defense (http://arisakadefense.com/)as one of our newest site sponsors. Some of you may be familiar or have seen them before as they've joined Stick's giveaway. Arisaka Defense is also run by one of our long time members here, Slippers.

Arisaka (http://arisakadefense.com/) makes a full line of KeyMod, M-Lok, and Centurion Arms CMR accessories.


About Arisaka Defense:

Arisaka LLC (http://arisakadefense.com/) is a design and manufacturing company, owned and operated by Walter Fowler and William Roberson. They share an ardent enthusiasm for shooting sports and seek to create unique, well-engineered components and accessories for the shooting industry.

Both Walt and Will hold the men and women who serve our country in high regard. Their family ties to the U.S. military span several generations, reaching back to World War II. Walt grew up as an Air Force brat and Will is an Army brat, and both their fathers are Vietnam veterans. During World War II, Will had a grandfather on the USS Arkansas and USS Shangri-La, and an uncle in the 442nd RCT.

As Japanese Americans, they chose the name Arisaka to honor their cultural background and show respect for Arisaka Nariakira, one of Japan's most iconic weapons designers. Many of the core principles of Japanese culture, such as perseverance, teamwork, harmony, and family, have a direct impact on Arisaka's operations.

All Arisaka (http://arisakadefense.com/) products are designed, prototyped, manufactured, assembled and sold exclusively within the USA.


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Computalotapus
28 October 2014, 07:30
Welcome and thank you!

camomike
28 October 2014, 08:02
Thanks for sponsoring the forum. Greatly appreciated. I'd say welcome, but looks like you were already here.

six8
28 October 2014, 08:03
Welcome aboard!

camomike
28 October 2014, 08:05
I see it on a photo on your website, but any plans for a keymod QD? Any idea when they'd be available again?

Gaspipeshooter
28 October 2014, 08:07
Very nice! Just saw your post about the giveaway over on Facebook!

Alaskan Bob
28 October 2014, 08:15
Welcome and thank you for helping our service men and women.

Aragorn
28 October 2014, 08:25
AH! That explains alot! I had been curious about the name and the mum.

Slippers
28 October 2014, 08:29
Thanks everyone for the welcome! I also want to say thank you to UWone77 for all his help and photography skills, and Stickman for the FB coverage with the giveaway. And of course Weapon Evolution. After all these years, sponsoring the forum is the least Arisaka can do.


I see it on a photo on your website, but any plans for a keymod QD? Any idea when they'd be available again?

That's a BCM QD in a couple of the photos that show my personal SBR with a KMR handguard. It really is the nicest KeyMod QD mount available unless you want to run it on one of the top 45 degree flats, and considering it only costs $18, there's no point in us making one to compete against it. Plus there are several other QD mounts right around the same price from Noveske, IWC, KAC, Fortis, Naroh, etc. No reason to spend time developing and manufacturing a part that has so much competition.

WHSmithIV
28 October 2014, 08:33
Absolutely welcome! Thanks for all your families service too!

UWone77
28 October 2014, 08:53
Slippers,

You guys did a great job with the packaging, nice touch.

Also, if anyone is interested in ordering, so far I've been impressed with the light mounts. I really like the CMR handstop, and probably my favorite Arisaka product so far.

Pyzik
28 October 2014, 09:14
Awesome!

You guys make what looks like a great product.

Thompson
28 October 2014, 09:28
Welcome aboard - and thanks for your sponsorship!

MonkeyBomb
28 October 2014, 11:20
Welcome and thanks for being a sponsor!

Slippers
28 October 2014, 11:23
Slippers,

You guys did a great job with the packaging, nice touch.

Also, if anyone is interested in ordering, so far I've been impressed with the light mounts. I really like the CMR handstop, and probably my favorite Arisaka product so far.

Thanks! Figured you would use your photos up top, since they look nicer. :)

http://i.imgur.com/vC9k3od.jpg

toolboxluis00200
28 October 2014, 11:24
Welcome and thank you!

Slippers
28 October 2014, 12:49
We've been hemming and hawing over a vertical grip for some time, going from full billet designs, to tubular types with end caps and adjustable angles. Unfortunately stuff like that comes at a high cost in terms of machine time and increased component count. The two prototypes shown below are for the CMR and KeyMod interfaces, and focus on the other end of the spectrum: keeping it light, less expensive, and very streamlined.

We are planning on having some tiny v-grooves on the three flat bands between the contours to give a little more texture and grip, but these aren't present on the prototypes. The top shape is concave where it curves in to meet the handguard. The reason for this is that it feels very comfortable in your hands, providing a natural place for your top-most finger or thumb, depending on how you hold it. We also wanted to avoid having it flare at the top, like most picatinny vertical grips do.

Outer diameter is 1.3", and overall length is 2.5." Weight is about 1.6 oz. It's hollow, with no end cap at the moment. Cut from 6061 aluminum, of course.

Oh, and most importantly, it uses two mounting screws/KeyMod nuts/M-Lok nuts, so it's rock solid.

Anyway, here are the pictures, and feel free to leave some feedback.

http://i.imgur.com/FgkK0Ta.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MB6NjKz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/z7HXxy3.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tXIExfN.jpg

Lkb513
28 October 2014, 16:37
Great looking stuff! Welcome and thank you =)

camomike
28 October 2014, 16:37
That's a BCM QD in a couple of the photos that show my personal SBR with a KMR handguard. It really is the nicest KeyMod QD mount available unless you want to run it on one of the top 45 degree flats, and considering it only costs $18, there's no point in us making one to compete against it. Plus there are several other QD mounts right around the same price from Noveske, IWC, KAC, Fortis, Naroh, etc. No reason to spend time developing and manufacturing a part that has so much competition.

And that right there is how you get my business. The fact that you are willing to recommend someone else's product speaks volumes for who you are as a company.

UWone77
28 October 2014, 16:44
I would love it if the CMR VFG was slightly canted like the BCM one.

Slippers
29 October 2014, 05:18
I would love it if the CMR VFG was slightly canted like the BCM one.

Of course you suggest something that means it has to become a two piece design! :)

UDT
29 October 2014, 06:30
Welcome and thanks.

Slippers
29 October 2014, 18:12
Little review of our finger stop over at jerkingthetrigger.com: http://jerkingthetrigger.com/2014/10/29/arisaka-finger-stop/

GOST
29 October 2014, 18:44
Saw a pic of this on TOS and wasn't sure what it was. Thought it may be a bipod mount. Never used a piece like that, but sounds like a decent idea.

mustangfreek
30 October 2014, 02:09
This thread reminds me yet again..i need a light and a good mount....

Slippers
30 October 2014, 07:37
Underside pic of the inline scout mount so you can see how the offset works with the screw positions.

http://i.imgur.com/ZMrfm8j.jpg

tac40
30 October 2014, 08:07
Nice looking gear.

markm
30 October 2014, 09:00
I got a T&E mount I hope to be able to shoot this weekend. After work, I'm putting the Fingerstop on too.

Hey, Slippers... I can't post on M4carbean until Saturday.... I ran into some imperial entanglements, if you know what I'm saying. ;)

UWone77
30 October 2014, 09:28
I got a T&E mount I hope to be able to shoot this weekend. After work, I'm putting the Fingerstop on too.

Hey, Slippers... I can't post on M4carbean until Saturday.... I ran into some imperial entanglements, if you know what I'm saying. ;)

We know when you get a vacation from m4c mark.... that's when you pop up here [:D]

markm
30 October 2014, 09:40
Guilty as charged. I should stop by more often.

UWone77
30 October 2014, 09:45
Guilty as charged. I should stop by more often.

You should. I know I certainly value your opinion.

Plus, I haven't seen a good LWRC rant in awhile.

markm
30 October 2014, 09:47
Now you openned a can of worms. :)

Slippers
30 October 2014, 10:07
I saw that you were banned and was curious as to the cause. In fact, I was worried it was from something in the BCM KMR thread, but nothing struck me as ban worthy. One of my shooting buddies asked me yesterday, "Why is markm always banned?"

When you're banned on a vBulletin forum can you still receive/send private messages? Perhaps I'll just post pictures of the new mini-Scout body in this thread, if we finish the prototype tomorrow. :)

UWone77
30 October 2014, 10:10
I saw that you were banned and was curious as to the cause. In fact, I was worried it was from something in the BCM KMR thread, but nothing struck me as ban worthy. One of my shooting buddies asked me yesterday, "Why is markm always banned?"

When you're banned on a vBulletin forum can you still receive/send private messages? Perhaps I'll just post pictures of the new mini-Scout body in this thread, if we finish the prototype tomorrow. :)

Are the mounts you sent for photos work on both M300's and M600's?

I need to take some pics.

Slippers
30 October 2014, 10:11
Are the mounts you sent for photos work on both M300's and M600's?

I need to take some pics.

Yes, M600 too, just not M620.

Edit: What's up with Surefire increasing the prices on all their lights in the last few months?

UWone77
30 October 2014, 10:17
Yes, M600 too, just not M620.

Edit: What's up with Surefire increasing the prices on all their lights in the last few months?

That's funny you mention that. I was planning on another M300B Purchase in FDE, but realized their prices are much higher than I remember.

Slippers
30 October 2014, 10:44
Yeah, I typically buy my lights from B&H Photo, since I trust them and have been buying camera gear there for almost 20 years. I snagged an M300B last year for ~$250, and now they're $330. Ouch?

markm
30 October 2014, 11:26
I saw that you were banned and was curious as to the cause. In fact, I was worried it was from something in the BCM KMR thread, but nothing struck me as ban worthy. One of my shooting buddies asked me yesterday, "Why is markm always banned?"

When you're banned on a vBulletin forum can you still receive/send private messages? Perhaps I'll just post pictures of the new mini-Scout body in this thread, if we finish the prototype tomorrow. :)

I can't get PMs, but the ban is lifted Saturday. If it were a real ban, it'd be a full 10 days or whatever it was last time. I think they want me to quit pointing out FACTS on a certain subject... Nothing to do with Keymod. Same reason I got the boot last time.

(B&H is where I got my SF light switches by the way.... Good dealer)

Slippers
1 November 2014, 09:40
Too bad I forgot to post this last night. This is Andy (our Solidworks engineer) giving his Halloween face over the first prototype of our mini-Scout body. This is a function test just after the first operation on the lathe. The next operation is handled on the mill, and trims the big rings down so you're left with the mounting lugs.

So why are we making this part? Well, it lets us leave off the wide "wings" that are used on a stock Scout for the Picatinny clamp, reducing weight, and increasing clearance for front sights when used with our inline Scout mounts (or any other mounts on the market).

Plus, you'll be able to assemble your own mini-Scout with a Malkoff head and a genuine Surefire Z68 tailcap for something around 60% of the current Scout pricing.

http://i.imgur.com/uhwPV0T.jpg

DutyUse
1 November 2014, 10:05
Just checked out y'all's webstore over at AriskaDefense. Looks like some cool designs!

Thank you for sponsoring us here at the WEVO forum. It's much appreciated! :D

GOST
1 November 2014, 11:06
I can't get PMs, but the ban is lifted Saturday. If it were a real ban, it'd be a full 10 days or whatever it was last time. I think they want me to quit pointing out FACTS on a certain subject... Nothing to do with Keymod. Same reason I got the boot last time.

(B&H is where I got my SF light switches by the way.... Good dealer)

Why don't you just stick around here markm. I've ordered from B&H also.

markm
1 November 2014, 11:28
Plus, you'll be able to assemble your own mini-Scout with a Malkoff head and a genuine Surefire Z68 tailcap for something around 60% of the current Scout pricing.


THIS is going to be awesome!

markm
1 November 2014, 11:29
Messing with the Arisaka Finger Stop today. Might get out tonight or tomorrow for some live firing. :P

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/arisaka4_zps14e4f12c.jpg

six8
1 November 2014, 13:52
Messing with the Arisaka Finger Stop today. Might get out tonight or tomorrow for some live firing. :P

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/arisaka4_zps14e4f12c.jpg

Nice. Didn't realize you put a KMR on the LWRC 😜

Slippers
2 November 2014, 15:40
That's neat. I haven't used one on a bottom 45 degree flat, only 6 o'clock. I'll have to give that a try at the range this week and see how it feels.

markm
3 November 2014, 05:46
Nice. Didn't realize you put a KMR on the LWRC 😜

Only the best for me!


That's neat. I haven't used one on a bottom 45 degree flat, only 6 o'clock. I'll have to give that a try at the range this week and see how it feels.

This actually worked really well. I'm going to leave it there for a few weeks. It indexes my hand well for running the light.

Slippers
5 November 2014, 15:28
Now that markm is unbanned on m4c, I wonder if he'll see this. :)

Anyway, few days late, but better late than never, right? This is the prototype mini Scout compatible body, fully functional. The main difference between this and the stock body is that the mounting wings for the stock picatinny clamp are cut off, completely. This gives a huge amount of extra clearance, and when combined with our inline mount will let you run Troy/Diamondhead/MBUS polymer sights without any problems, on both sides of the handguard.

The mounting lugs on the bottom are the same as the stock Scout body, otherwise, so you can still use any other aftermarket Scout mount, like Gear Sector.

The non-Surefire head shown in the picture is a Malkoff Scout head, which retails for $79. The tailcaps on both are the Surefire Z68, which go for about $35. I can't promise anything, but we're aiming for a $70 price point, if not less. You guys can do the math on having a complete "Scout" light. :)

Sorry for the picture quality, snapped these under some yucky twirly bulbs.


Note the width of the light just above the lugs where the wings are trimmed:

http://i.imgur.com/cdtYCwv.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ojvd8wB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UYTwZdE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9n9FBva.jpg

GOST
5 November 2014, 15:42
This scout body is awesome, being able to have a mini-scout for about $184 is really cool.

Slippers
10 November 2014, 09:10
Yum.

http://i.imgur.com/bKLjpCY.jpg

UWone77
10 November 2014, 09:51
Shit....

I need like 3 or 4 of these.... Great idea!

Slippers
10 November 2014, 09:53
Shit....

I need like 3 or 4 of these.... Great idea!

Ask and ye shall receive...once they're anodized. :)

UWone77
10 November 2014, 10:01
If you bought a previous Scout light new you should already have extra tailcaps laying around, so you're saving money already.

Genius.

Slippers
10 November 2014, 10:17
Yeah, it'll probably be locating an extra head that's the issue. Right now the choices are:

Malkoff E1/Scout head $69 from Malkoff
Malkoff VME head with an M31 module $82 from Malkoff

You can also buy a Surefire head, but it doesn't make much sense. They charge almost as much as a whole new light for just the head:
Surefire KE1A 200 lumen LED $233 from B&H (M300B head)
Surefire KM1A $270 IR/LED from B&H (new combo head on the M300V)

Tailcaps are going to be:
Z68 shrouded $32 on Amazon (free ship), $34 on B&H
Z61 unshrouded #37 on B&H
UE07 tape switch plus tailcap $90 on B&H

A few posts up I estimated a $70 price for the body. It's going to be cheaper, for sure. Under $60 for certain. I have one of the Malkoff E1/Scout heads here and it's pretty good. Brighter than the KE1A but the beam isn't as focused. It has a lot more spill, which I actually prefer.

We're going to offer a discounted combo with the body and inline mount as a package, too.

markm
10 November 2014, 10:38
Holy crap is this going to be nice. I can start rounding up the head and cap right away.

Pyzik
10 November 2014, 10:44
Yeah, it'll probably be locating an extra head that's the issue. Right now the choices are:

Malkoff E1/Scout head $69 from Malkoff
Malkoff VME head with an M31 module $82 from Malkoff

You can also buy a Surefire head, but it doesn't make much sense. They charge almost as much as a whole new light for just the head:
Surefire KE1A 200 lumen LED $233 from B&H (M300B head)
Surefire KM1A $270 IR/LED from B&H (new combo head on the M300V)

Tailcaps are going to be:
Z68 shrouded $32 on Amazon (free ship), $34 on B&H
Z61 unshrouded #37 on B&H
UE07 tape switch plus tailcap $90 on B&H

A few posts up I estimated a $70 price for the body. It's going to be cheaper, for sure. Under $60 for certain. I have one of the Malkoff E1/Scout heads here and it's pretty good. Brighter than the KE1A but the beam isn't as focused. It has a lot more spill, which I actually prefer.

We're going to offer a discounted combo with the body and inline mount as a package, too.

Wow. This is gonna be AWESOME.

I was just looking up used scouts last night!
At this point I could "build" a new one for just as cheap (or cheaper) than a used.
VERY cool!

markm
10 November 2014, 10:51
At this point I could "build" a new one for just as cheap (or cheaper) than a used.


Not funding the marble arches in the SureFire executive washroom is the added bonus. :)

markm
10 November 2014, 13:40
Pappabear from M4c pays the light bill at SF. ;)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/arisaka7_zps9ef62c85.jpg

Slippers
10 November 2014, 14:53
Pappabear from M4c pays the light bill at SF. ;)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/trixiebud/arisaka7_zps9ef62c85.jpg

6P Defender, not bad. I suppose I don't help the financial demise of Surefire that you wish for either, mark. And if UWone77 needs 4-5 bodies, he's even more at fault! :)

Slippers
10 November 2014, 19:12
Offering 15% off with coupon code veteransday at www.arisakadefense.com from now until Wednesday.

GOST
11 November 2014, 02:59
Very cool, thanks for the code Slippers.

Pyzik
11 November 2014, 07:06
Offering 15% off with coupon code veteransday at www.arisakadefense.com from now until Wednesday.
Awesome.

Slippers
12 November 2014, 21:51
I spy with my little eye....

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/KeyMod-Accessories-s/173.htm

Arisaka components!

UWone77
12 November 2014, 21:53
I spy with my little eye....

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/KeyMod-Accessories-s/173.htm

Arisaka components!

Wow... BCM is carrying your products. Well done!

Ok fine... I'll upload some pictures I took today. [:D]

Ride4frnt
12 November 2014, 21:56
I really needs get my hands on one of your scout mods...

Slippers
12 November 2014, 22:20
Wow... BCM is carrying your products. Well done!

Ok fine... I'll upload some pictures I took today. [:D]

Can't wait to see them! Maybe I'll have a couple scout bodies in your hands before Thanksgiving for some more photos, too. They go to anodizing at the beginning of next week.


I really needs get my hands on one of your scout mods...

You just missed the veteran's day discount by an hour and a half. If you really want one I'll extend the discount for you. Otherwise, if you're a patient man that likes to gamble, Stickman has a half dozen of them for the 100K Giveaway when it starts back up in December.

Ride4frnt
12 November 2014, 22:23
Can't wait to see them! Maybe I'll have a couple scout bodies in your hands before Thanksgiving for some more photos, too. They go to anodizing at the beginning of next week.



You just missed the veteran's day discount by an hour and a half. If you really want one I'll extend the discount for you. Otherwise, if you're a patient man that likes to gamble, Stickman has a half dozen of them for the 100K Giveaway when it starts back up in December.

I'm gonna have to wait for now, but I appreciate the offer. No problem paying full price later, especially since it's a significant discount from buying the actual scout light.

Slippers
12 November 2014, 22:34
Oh, you were referring to the scout body. I thought you mean an inline mount. Yeah, the scout bodies aren't ready, yet. For that same reason I haven't sent any to Stickman for the giveaway, but I intend to.

GOST
13 November 2014, 01:53
Congrats Slippers on BCM carrying your goods. Them scout bodies are going to be hot.

markm
13 November 2014, 07:39
I'm getting the Malkoff head and SF switch for Christmas. Can't wait for the Scout Bodies to be available.

Slippers
13 November 2014, 17:44
I foresee a shortage of Malkoff Scout heads...their inventory only shows 5 in stock.

GOST
17 November 2014, 12:19
How much longer till the Scout bodies are released?

Pyzik
17 November 2014, 12:25
How much longer till the Scout bodies are released?
Are we there yet?

UWone77
17 November 2014, 12:31
At least he's consistent... he also asked about the Gear Sector Handguards. [:D]

GOST
17 November 2014, 12:56
I don't take pics, so I ask questions.

GOST
17 November 2014, 13:11
Not all of us got wives that let us off cheap. I'm gonna have to hide money before the holiday season hits if I want to get myself a Christmas present; I've got a spread sheet in the works. Black Ops funds ain't easy.[BD]

Pyzik
17 November 2014, 13:28
Not all of us got wives that let us off cheap. I'm gonna have to hide money before the holiday season hits if I want to get myself a Christmas present; I've got a spread sheet in the works. Black Ops funds ain't easy.[BD]

Haha, I am in the same boat for the most part.

GOST
17 November 2014, 13:31
Good luck Pyzik.

Slippers
17 November 2014, 13:52
Like I said previously, I can't make any promises. I know all too well what happens you name a date and miss it on a product release.

As it stands, a release before Thanksgiving is a no-go. Sorry. :(

Pyzik
17 November 2014, 14:25
Like I said previously, I can't make any promises. I know all too well what happens you name a date and miss it on a product release.

As it stands, a release before Thanksgiving is a no-go. Sorry. :(

Can't have you doing that. We already have a company with the name Blowndeadline.

Slippers
17 November 2014, 14:49
There's just too much to do before the holiday, and we're dependent on the anodizers. The thing about a scout body is that it has to conduct electricity. After anodizing the bodies come back to the shop and have one last operation performed which lops a teeny bit off the end of the threads on both ends to expose the raw aluminum.

Plus, I'll have to get some in UWone77's paws for pictures, too. :P

GOST
17 November 2014, 15:11
Pyzik will do pics for just one.[BD]

Pyzik
17 November 2014, 15:24
Pyzik will do pics for just one.[BD]
Its true, I would. :p

Slippers
17 November 2014, 17:16
I bet all of you guys would!

GOST
17 November 2014, 17:39
I'd have to use a Polaroid. Just think how awesome a advertising campaign using Polaroids would be.

six8
17 November 2014, 17:40
I spy with my little eye....

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/KeyMod-Accessories-s/173.htm

Arisaka components!

Congrats!

Slippers
17 November 2014, 17:54
I'd have to use a Polaroid. Just think how awesome a advertising campaign using Polaroids would be.

You can do some really cool things with polaroids. Too bad the original format is hard to find now. The Fuji Instax are about half the size, and the cameras aren't as good (in my opinion).

schambers
18 November 2014, 06:06
genuinely excited for the scout body!

UWone77
18 November 2014, 18:59
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2580_zps5ba83625.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2580_zps5ba83625.jpg.html)
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2585_zps02e49a3b.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2585_zps02e49a3b.jpg.html)

markm
19 November 2014, 05:15
Damn it. I can't see the pics at work. Damned photobucket it filtered....

CarbonScoring
19 November 2014, 05:23
First off, that MKM looks so long.

Secondly, that mount looks fantastic. I looks really versatile pushing the light that far forward.

voodoo_man
19 November 2014, 09:01
http://i.imgur.com/yhapsly.jpg

Gaspipeshooter
19 November 2014, 09:10
Where is the "Like" button? Good stuff right there^^^

UWone77
19 November 2014, 10:03
First off, that MKM looks so long.

Secondly, that mount looks fantastic. I looks really versatile pushing the light that far forward.

It was a total impulse buy when the MKM's for AR15's were first available. In hindsight, the 12" should have been it. I'll probably get another at some point.

http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2581_zps10c46ece.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2581_zps10c46ece.jpg.html)

UWone77
20 November 2014, 09:29
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2582_zps17d170ea.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2582_zps17d170ea.jpg.html)

six8
20 November 2014, 10:17
Can't wait for mine to arrive!

Slippers
21 November 2014, 08:42
Can't wait for mine to arrive!

Thank you!

voodoo_man also has more excellent pictures and a little write up on his blog at http://vdmsr.blogspot.com/2014/11/arisaka-defense-keymod-hand-stop.html, and lots of sweet photos on his flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/vdmsr/

And UW's photos rock, as usual. :)

UWone77
22 November 2014, 08:24
So any clues on what else Arisaka might be producing besides the Scout bodies in the future? [:D]

Slippers
22 November 2014, 09:21
Possibly a Scout compatible head. That one is iffy though. I'm intent on keeping everything we sell made in the USA, and while we can spin the bezel out, the electronics pose a different issue. I'd go with a Cree LED, and one of my skillsets happens to be PCB design, so that isn't the problem. What is a problem is keeping the costs down, as PCB production in the USA is very, very expensive. It doesn't make sense to make a light head if it costs as much as a Surefire.

Actual products that are definitely coming out, probably in this order:

1. Mini scout compatible body
2. 90 degree VFG in small numbers, trying to see if we can get the costs down to make it competitive, but probably not going to happen. :\
3. Collaboration with MilitaryMoron on a light based project. I can't give any other details at this time, sorry.
4. A scout mount for handguards without 45 degree flats, like the NSR, CMR, MI, SLR, which will position the light similarly to our inline mount on a 45 degree flat. We are licensing the reverse threaded keymod screws from BCM, so the mount will be very thin. It will also have multiple lateral mounting positions like our inline mount, so you can tuck the light up against the top rail or clear a front sight.
5. A ring light add-on for our scout mounts to take advantage of the lateral positioning.

1-2 before Christmas, hopefully. Depends on the anodizers. Everything else in the New Year.

UWone77
22 November 2014, 09:37
I'll be a buyer if you decide to make light heads in the US.

I'm tired of Chinese crap, and avoid Made in China whenever possible.

voodoo_man
22 November 2014, 09:57
I'll be a buyer if you decide to make light heads in the US.

I'm tired of Chinese crap, and avoid Made in China whenever possible.

Yep, buy 'murican or go home.

six8
22 November 2014, 11:13
Thanks for the super fast service!

http://i.imgur.com/pwt6uPg.jpg

voodoo_man
22 November 2014, 13:54
Yea im down for a body, scout head and so forth. Its solid stuff I cant see the market competing with the prices.

GOST
22 November 2014, 14:55
Sounds like there is a M300Arisaka in the works.[:D]

markm
24 November 2014, 05:22
Yep, buy 'murican or go home.

I like American companies like Arisaka where you've got good prices on nice product... But I draw the line when the prices are completely absurd on stuff like SureFire lights.

Hello Solarforce!

voodoo_man
24 November 2014, 05:37
I like American companies like Arisaka where you've got good prices on nice product... But I draw the line when the prices are completely absurd on stuff like SureFire lights.

Hello Solarforce!

Somethings are just priced insane...

UWone77
24 November 2014, 06:33
I like American companies like Arisaka where you've got good prices on nice product... But I draw the line when the prices are completely absurd on stuff like SureFire lights.

Hello Solarforce!

I thought Surefire made a major market correction a few years back, that brought their prices back down to earth a little more. I find their street prices for the most part are on par with higher end lights out there.

Slippers
24 November 2014, 07:07
I thought Surefire's pricing wasn't half bad until this past summer when everything went up by 20-30%. Street pricing still seems to be at the original levels on Amazon, but my go-to Surefire dealers like B&HPhoto are much more expensive.

So far, Arisaka has achieved its current pricing by keeping a very low overhead (only 4 employees, 2 of which are part-time consultants), and by efficient design. Almost all of our parts are cut in multiples, with as few operations and tool changes as possible. I'd say the majority of our development time is spent on how to achieve the functional goals of the part while also reducing the cost of production.

We really do strive to use USA made components for everything. All our parts are machined in Walter's shop in Nebraska, and the screws, insert cards, and clamshell packaging are all sourced in the USA, from companies that claim their products are made here.

Edit:

This is for markm's love of solarforce. Something I did a quick concept mock-up of over the weekend. It's for 45 degree flats, and lets you shift the rings left-right like our inline scout mount. No idea if we'll make it until i discuss it with Walter.

http://i.imgur.com/3IcV8VF.jpg

UWone77
24 November 2014, 09:03
Maybe too early to answer, but what's the long term plan? FFL down the road? Or strictly sticking to the accessories market?

voodoo_man
24 November 2014, 09:32
'murica fuck yea.

Pyzik
24 November 2014, 09:42
Looking forward to #4

markm
24 November 2014, 09:42
This is for markm's love of solarforce. Something I did a quick concept mock-up of over the weekend. It's for 45 degree flats, and lets you shift the rings left-right like our inline scout mount. No idea if we'll make it until i discuss it with Walter.

http://i.imgur.com/3IcV8VF.jpg

That is COOL! I'd definitely get one of those.

Slippers
24 November 2014, 12:19
It's a go, but won't be ready until January-ish. :)

Also, all our KeyMod accessories are now in stock at BCM: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/KeyMod-Accessories-s/173.htm

Slippers
24 November 2014, 14:57
Oh, before too much time passes, I wanted to throw this out there. We've been going back and forth about a hand stop for some time, and then BCM released their KAG, which looks somewhat similar to ours. Our design is very minimal though, and uses BCM's reverse threaded KeyMod nut/screw. It's only about 1/4" taller than our finger stop, as you can see in the picture. A screenshot of a rendering from a couple months ago gives more detail. It can be used just like our finger stop, but also works very comfortably as a rear hand stop, too. Can also be reversed as a forward stop.

The sample is 3D printed, hence the shiny/wavy appearance.

http://i.imgur.com/IJbQ7U1l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/aeshI89.jpg

voodoo_man
24 November 2014, 15:00
That is pretty minimal.

I like the "hook" at the end.

Slippers
24 November 2014, 15:01
I feel like people will say we copied BCM, despite it being much smaller and streamlined.

voodoo_man
24 November 2014, 15:15
I feel like people will say we copied BCM, despite it being much smaller and streamlined.

Seeing as how the magpul one and the BCM one are very similar I doubt there is an issue.

UWone77
24 November 2014, 15:15
I feel like people will say we copied BCM, despite it being much smaller and streamlined.

No matter what you produce, someone will always be on the sidelines saying that.

FortTom
24 November 2014, 15:36
I think I like your design better, just looking at it. I just received my KAG in the mail and haven't even opened the package. I really misjudged the shape from the photo's, and I don't think I have to try it to know I really don't like it. Oh well, it won't be the first time I threw a new item into the "spare parts" bin, and won't be the last.

FT

GOST
24 November 2014, 16:42
I think I like your design better, just looking at it. I just received my KAG in the mail and haven't even opened the package. I really misjudged the shape from the photo's, and I don't think I have to try it to know I really don't like it. Oh well, it won't be the first time I threw a new item into the "spare parts" bin, and won't be the last.

FT

I'm not a fan of the hook on the KAG, but I use VFG's rather than handstops usually.

schambers
24 November 2014, 17:10
What material do you plan for the production run?

Side note: Just ordered the inline scout light mount. Looking forward to the body coming out!

FortTom
24 November 2014, 17:37
I'm not a fan of the hook on the KAG, but I use VFG's rather than handstops usually.
I just like a simple hand stop. From the pictures, the KAG looked like it would fit the bill. When I opened the mailier package today, I was unimpressed. Didn't even bother to open the package it came in. (Caveat: Others may love this design, I'm just working off of personal likes and dislikes). To bad the ARISAKA isn't shipping yet, I wouldn't mind trying one of them if they are available for KMod.

FT

Slippers
25 November 2014, 08:47
Perhaps I can have multiple samples made and spread them out amongst weapon evolution members to beta test. They would be raw aluminum, but otherwise completely functional.

GOST
25 November 2014, 08:51
Perhaps I can have multiple samples made and spread them out amongst weapon evolution members to beta test. They would be raw aluminum, but otherwise completely functional.

Ask my wife what I'll do for samples.[BD]

FortTom
25 November 2014, 09:46
Ask my wife what I'll do for samples.[BD]
I don't think I really want to know...... and am afraid to ask. :P

UWone77
25 November 2014, 09:57
I don't think I really want to know...... and am afraid to ask. :P

Does it involve FT in his underwear again?

voodoo_man
25 November 2014, 11:19
http://i.imgur.com/559o1Cc.jpg

GOST
25 November 2014, 17:50
Does it involve FT in his underwear again?

Nope, it only involves FT and a pickle.

FortTom
25 November 2014, 18:19
Does it involve FT in his underwear again?


Nope, it only involves FT and a pickle.

Yuck it up funny guys..... at least MY Pickle isn't all wrinkled up, bumpy and green....:P

GOST
25 November 2014, 19:32
You're a liar FT, at your age it's at least 2 of the 3.[:D]

voodoo_man
26 November 2014, 17:59
http://i.imgur.com/gXaoihE.jpg

Slippers
26 November 2014, 20:30
I was worried about the direction this thread was going but voodoo_man saved it with a nice photo. :)

voodoo_man
26 November 2014, 20:39
I was worried about the direction this thread was going but voodoo_man saved it with a nice photo. :)

Got plenty more were that came from ;)

FortTom
26 November 2014, 20:41
I was worried about the direction this thread was going but voodoo_man saved it with a nice photo. :)
Put on your seat belt Will, GOST is one sick puppy and there's no telling what direction this thread could take...[:D]

Slippers
27 November 2014, 08:27
You guys... :)


On a side note, 20% off M-Lok products with the code "friday" through Dec 2 at arisakadefense.com.

Computalotapus
27 November 2014, 09:25
Gonna have to try one of the hand stops out. I love the norah one I have so I am sure I will like yours.

six8
28 November 2014, 16:26
I'm loving this setup!

Crappy iphone pic

http://i.imgur.com/3Wv2ckQ.jpg


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Slippers
28 November 2014, 19:42
Looks great. Is your handguard cerakoted? I'm starting to dig the olive and foilage colors after all these years of FDE popularity.

Ride4frnt
29 November 2014, 00:09
I'm loving this setup!

Crappy iphone pic

http://i.imgur.com/3Wv2ckQ.jpg


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Man I love those MI rails

six8
29 November 2014, 04:38
Looks great. Is your handguard cerakoted? I'm starting to dig the olive and foilage colors after all these years of FDE popularity.

Thanks! That's Rust-Oleum deep forest green lol.


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six8
29 November 2014, 07:48
How bout some optic mounts Slippers?

Slippers
29 November 2014, 10:37
How bout some optic mounts Slippers?
They're under consideration, but we don't want it to be just another "me too!" type of product.

UWone77
29 November 2014, 10:39
They're under consideration, but we don't want it to be just another "me too!" type of product.

Anytime soon or next year?

I'll probably need to buy some 30mm optic mounts next year at some point.

Slippers
29 November 2014, 13:13
Next year for certain. In order to do them properly we need another axis on the mill.

Too many parts, not enough CNC machines or time!

Computalotapus
29 November 2014, 14:31
Next year for certain. In order to do them properly we need another axis on the mill.

Too many parts, not enough CNC machines or time!



Just hooked up a few cnc machines to a clients network that had 360° heads in them. Pretty impressive what they can do

Gaspipeshooter
2 December 2014, 17:20
Thanks for Stickman's Facebook page giveaway!!!

Slippers
2 December 2014, 19:10
Thanks for Stickman's Facebook page giveaway!!!

No problem at all.

In case anyone else missed it, Stickman is giving away three sets of keymod Arisaka products tonight: www.facebook.com/Stickgunner

toolboxluis00200
2 December 2014, 19:49
No problem at all.

In case anyone else missed it, Stickman is giving away three sets of keymod Arisaka products tonight: www.facebook.com/Stickgunner
i saw that very cool thank you

mustangfreek
3 December 2014, 08:13
No problem at all.

In case anyone else missed it, Stickman is giving away three sets of keymod Arisaka products tonight: www.facebook.com/Stickgunner

Damnit, i missed it....Lol

Slippers
3 December 2014, 09:22
I think it's still ongoing? I didn't see where he announced a winner. At least, there are a lot of people still trying to enter on the most current post on his Facebook page, and I'm still getting a ton of likes/comments on the Arisaka Facebook page.

Otherwise, just join the next one. :) He's giving away the KeyMod parts right now, and there's still three sets of M-Lok and CMR parts as well.

Pyzik
3 December 2014, 09:30
He's re-doing it. Something about ice, power outages, earthquates & angry leprechauns messing up the contest last night.

It'll run again some time today.

PS, thanks again Slippers for tossing in some stuff. Looking forward to seeing who gets it!

six8
8 December 2014, 15:53
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/08/fe3a4fecc7c413fed9903eaf922f4587.jpg


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Slippers
8 December 2014, 18:51
Looks very nice!

Slippers
14 December 2014, 18:22
Military Morons put up a nice write-up of the ring mounts and inline scout mounts with tons of pictures: http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/wlights4.html#arisaka

Slippers
19 December 2014, 19:22
Just a little update. Mini scout bodies are scheduled to be back from ano on Monday, and will probably be available the following week after I return from Christmas.

Today I received a 3d printed prototype of the upcoming 45 degree scout mount. The KeyMod version will use BCM's proprietary reverse threaded torx screws, which allows us to make the mount about 4mm thick. The prototype shown below is very simplified without the usual styling of our products, since trying to 3d print too much detail looks like crap. Otherwise it's completely functional. There are 4 lateral positions for mounting the light, and it fits very snug on the Noveske NSR.

In the pictures the light is positioned in the 2nd location on the mount closest to the top Picatinny rail.

http://i.imgur.com/4mMvcp5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/18QPlWe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LHWqnY8.jpg

voodoo_man
20 December 2014, 06:45
do want!

schambers
20 December 2014, 14:58
I want that scout body!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR




Can't wait!

Chainring
20 December 2014, 18:10
Yeah, that's good. Snug it in there tight.

toolboxluis00200
20 December 2014, 18:15
nie very nice

mustangfreek
21 December 2014, 04:07
Nice....My NSR needs a light setup.....

Slippers
21 December 2014, 08:12
Couple more pictures showing a stock M300B using the outer-most offset position, which lets the head clear the super wide Diamondhead front sight on an NSR handguard.

http://i.imgur.com/VOuFpdz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/13G598p.jpg

Slippers
21 December 2014, 10:46
Another picture of the final profile shape, which is even slimmer than the original raw body I showed.

Stock left, Arisaka right:
http://i.imgur.com/mPphHic.jpg

GOST
21 December 2014, 12:21
That looks great!

Computalotapus
21 December 2014, 12:22
Gonna be ordering a hand stop from you for my daughters AR-47 build and probably a light mount for my brothers M4 clone if he decides to put a light on it.

Slippers
23 December 2014, 07:52
Pic from Walt of one of the new bodies, pre-final length machining. Anodizing turned out to be a close match, at least on the sample M300B he has.

http://i.imgur.com/HWOtabJ.jpg

UWone77
23 December 2014, 08:04
This is looks very good!

GOST
23 December 2014, 08:42
I definitely need one of these.

Slippers
23 December 2014, 12:26
More bodies, post final machining.
http://i.imgur.com/ZPSudQH.jpg

markm
24 December 2014, 09:52
I requested the Malkoff as a Christmas gift before they sold out. I'm assuming I have it under the tree. I'd hate to have a family brawl on Christmas. ;)

UWone77
24 December 2014, 10:06
I requested the Malkoff as a Christmas gift before they sold out. I'm assuming I have it under the tree. I'd hate to have a family brawl on Christmas. ;)

Damn it... I knew I should have bought one a month ago!

I'm going to experiment with different heads until the Malkoff ones come back into stock.

Slippers
27 December 2014, 17:52
Our solidworks engineer Andy air-guitaring earlier today with a KMR and milled prototype 45 degree scout mount, and new scout body. It's a bit messy because we didn't have the right tool and had to make small passes back and forth on the angled portion. Obviously not an issue for the production run.

http://i.imgur.com/STniFer.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kD3ZgUG.jpg

DutyUse
27 December 2014, 18:32
Just put an order in with y'all for my Mlok build.

Finger Stop, QD mount, and the Ring Light Mount.

Can't wait to try it out, should look right at home on the 10.5 it's going on :D

mustangfreek
28 December 2014, 02:24
Our solidworks engineer Andy air-guitaring earlier today with a KMR and milled prototype 45 degree scout mount, and new scout body. It's a bit messy because we didn't have the right tool and had to make small passes back and forth on the angled portion. Obviously not an issue for the production run.

http://i.imgur.com/STniFer.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kD3ZgUG.jpg

Nice....

Just curious what light is that? Looks sorta big, but then again i havent seen a kmr in person and i heard there kind of skinny..

As Next thing i told myself i need is a light and setup like similiar or one of your ring mounts.....

Thanks

Slippers
28 December 2014, 02:51
It's a scout m300b, so very tiny. The KMR just makes it look big.

mustangfreek
28 December 2014, 03:27
It's a scout m300b, so very tiny. The KMR just makes it look big.


Cool, thanks..

UWone77
28 December 2014, 17:31
First impressions of the Arisaka Scout bodies... they look exactly like the Surefire ones. Looks like a solid piece of aluminum, perfectly machined. Other than the Surefire Logo, I could not tell the difference between the two.

For those that have Scout Lights already, you should already have an extra tailcap with your package. You're half way there. You can either buy a Scout Head from Surefire, I think they run $180, or get a Malkoff Head for $68, suddenly you have a very affordable weapon light. I tested out the light, and it works perfectly so far. This is definitely one of those, why didn't I think of this ideas.

Well done Slippers. Now I'm going through my old Scout light packaging to see how many more tail caps I already have to see how many heads I need to order. Can never have enough weapon mounted lights.

http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2677_zps0c4cae26.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2677_zps0c4cae26.jpg.html)
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2679_zps60d71f9b.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2679_zps60d71f9b.jpg.html)

Slippers
28 December 2014, 18:19
Oooo :)

mustangfreek
28 December 2014, 20:09
Damnit...i need a light setup...very nice Arisaka/slippers..and UW for the cool pics...

voodoo_man
29 December 2014, 17:46
http://i.imgur.com/oxdwXu2.jpg

UWone77
29 December 2014, 17:47
http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2681_zps3f49d42f.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2681_zps3f49d42f.jpg.html)

GOST
29 December 2014, 18:37
Here's a place that claims to have Suefire SR07 remote switched for $58 when in-stock.

http://www.eaglevalleyoutfitters.com/surefire/surefire-sr07-remote-switch-14779

Slippers
29 December 2014, 20:28
Annnnnnd they're available. :)

GOST
29 December 2014, 20:35
You just made a lot of people happy.

Slippers
30 December 2014, 10:21
These pictures illustrate exactly why we made the light bodies. It shows a diamondhead front sight with the new 300 series light body mounted in the center location on the inline scout mount. Fits with just a few thousandths of clearance. You literally cannot tuck the light in any closer to the front sight. This mounting placement is impossible with the stock scout body, even using the right-most offset on our inline scout mount.

http://i.imgur.com/IWFPTHX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15nWBQE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jCVsDX2.jpg

Computalotapus
30 December 2014, 11:10
These have turned out nice man.

UWone77
30 December 2014, 15:52
Any plans for other colors?

Slippers
30 December 2014, 17:29
Any plans for other colors?

On the light bodies? Or just in general? I've had a few people ask for FDE. It's a real pain trying to get consistent colors from anodizing, though. For some reason I suspect you have a bunch of FDE scout lights. :)

schambers
31 December 2014, 15:51
Slippers, thought you would be interested to know that I recieved the scout light body today. Pretty crazy considdering I ordered it yesterday morning.

Didn't know you were in Apex. Have you guys ever contacted Warsports? They are very easy to work with, and may be interested in future collaborations.

Slippers
31 December 2014, 16:41
Yesterday was pretty crazy, that's for certain. Glad you got the body in a timely manner.

I have not tried getting in touch with warsports. Sounds like I should. :)

UWone77
31 December 2014, 16:44
On the light bodies? Or just in general? I've had a few people ask for FDE. It's a real pain trying to get consistent colors from anodizing, though. For some reason I suspect you have a bunch of FDE scout lights. :)

Actually, I only have 1 FDE Scout Light.

Did you compile a list of all Surefire heads that are compatible?

Slippers
31 December 2014, 22:27
Actually, I only have 1 FDE Scout Light.

Did you compile a list of all Surefire heads that are compatible?

KM1A from m300v 120 lumens white/IR
KE1A from m300b 200 lumens
KX1A from m300a 110 lumens

Non surefire:
Malkoff E1/scout head
Malkoff VME head + Malkoff M31 drop-in

UWone77
1 January 2015, 18:32
KM1A from m300v 120 lumens white/IR
KE1A from m300b 200 lumens
KX1A from m300a 110 lumens

Non surefire:
Malkoff E1/scout head
Malkoff VME head + Malkoff M31 drop-in

I've been looking a the KX2C for about $105.

I haven't seen any older KX1A's for sale.

I'm going to have to wait for those Malkoff's to come back into stock. I wonder how often they restock them.

GOST
1 January 2015, 19:50
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Slippers
1 January 2015, 19:59
I've been looking a the KX2C for about $105.

I haven't seen any older KX1A's for sale.

I'm going to have to wait for those Malkoff's to come back into stock. I wonder how often they restock them.

Gene told me it wouldn't take long before Christmas. I'm trying to buy the heads in bulk to offer complete lights. There are certainly quite a few people waiting for the heads based on forum traffic and a lot of emails I'm getting.

The kx2c will actually run but it will be past regulation, meaning it will continually dim as the battery voltage drops.

Guess we need to get moving on the 600 series bodies....

voodoo_man
2 January 2015, 03:34
Gene told me it wouldn't take long before Christmas. I'm trying to buy the heads in bulk to offer complete lights. There are certainly quite a few people waiting for the heads based on forum traffic and a lot of emails I'm getting.

The kx2c will actually run but it will be past regulation, meaning it will continually dim as the battery voltage drops.

Guess we need to get moving on the 600 series bodies....

Moar lumens makes me happy.

You guys should make bodies for the streamlight protac HL series. I also wish they accepted rechargeable batteries

GOST
2 January 2015, 06:38
Will these Scout bodies accept Elzetta heads?

Slippers
2 January 2015, 06:54
Moar lumens makes me happy.

You guys should make bodies for the streamlight protac HL series. I also wish they accepted rechargeable batteries

You know, I've had people ask me about boring out the bodies to accept rechargeable cells.

Regarding the Protac HL, that's a full size 1" diameter light. Are you suggesting we make a new body with scout lugs on it that uses the streamlight heads and tailcaps?


Will these Scout bodies accept Elzetta heads?

I highly doubt it, but I was thinking about doing an elzetta compatible body last night, no joke. :)

GOST
2 January 2015, 07:00
I highly doubt it, but I was thinking about doing an elzetta compatible body last night, no joke. :)

If you could make the body use the Scout mounts and use Surefire remote switches. A 315 lumen Elzetta head with a Mini Scout body, and SR07 switch would be cool.

CarbonScoring
2 January 2015, 07:03
You know, I've had people ask me about boring out the bodies to accept rechargeable cells.

Regarding the Protac HL, that's a full size 1" diameter light. Are you suggesting we make a new body with scout lugs on it that uses the streamlight heads and tailcaps?



I highly doubt it, but I was thinking about doing an elzetta compatible body last night, no joke. :)


If you could make the body use the Scout mounts and use Surefire remote switches. A 315 lumen Elzetta head with a Mini Scout body, and SR07 switch would be cool.

Yes, yes, yes. I've been wanting an Elzetta Alpha, but I really prefer the pic. rail-mountable Surefire switches.

GOST
2 January 2015, 07:11
Yes, yes, yes. I've been wanting an Elzetta Alpha, but I really prefer the pic. rail-mountable Surefire switches.

Same here.

Slippers
2 January 2015, 08:11
So elzetta head threads and keep the surefire tailcap. OK. Darn, I'll just have to go out and purchase an elzetta light to get the threads and spacing. :)

Edit: it appears that the alpha is a one piece body and head. They don't sell a single cell head. We can look into doing a 2 cell version.

CarbonScoring
2 January 2015, 08:31
So elzetta head threads and keep the surefire tailcap. OK. Darn, I'll just have to go out and purchase an elzetta light to get the threads and spacing. :)

I'd be willing to buy an Alpha and an SR07 if that would help. [:D]

Slippers
2 January 2015, 08:45
I have a UE07 so no worries there. But the alpha head is part of the body so we can't do anything for it.

UWone77
2 January 2015, 08:53
Now you have my interest piqued. I'm going to go see if my Elzetta Bravo head fits.

CarbonScoring
2 January 2015, 08:53
I see what you mean. I was thinking the Alpha would break down like the Bravo and Charlie. Looks like you would have to step up to the Bravo to make it happen (which wouldn't be bad either).

voodoo_man
2 January 2015, 09:51
Yes on protac. If you make a body that accepts those 18860 or whatever number rechargeable batteries and attaches to rail (or to your mount) it would be awesome and since the lights are cheaper than SFs it may be more widely accepted

Slippers
2 January 2015, 10:12
So is it better to use surefire tailcaps across the board?

Also, before anyone gets too excited just remember it takes time to make this stuff a reality. We have a few parts queued up before we start making m600 bodies, let alone variants to use streamlight or elzetta heads.

voodoo_man
2 January 2015, 10:47
So is it better to use surefire tailcaps across the board?

Also, before anyone gets too excited just remember it takes time to make this stuff a reality. We have a few parts queued up before we start making m600 bodies, let alone variants to use streamlight or elzetta heads.

surefire tails allow wired momentary on buttons so yeah, that would be awesome. I don't know how it would transfer over to streamlight or elzetta but bang for buck is definitely not on SF's side.

Slippers
2 January 2015, 11:16
I see the AVS bezel on the elzetta site for $115, which is the larger head, 650 lumens. The "standard" head on the bravos uses a 235 lumen Malkoff LED unit, and doesn't appear to be for sale. There's really no reason we can't do the same thing, i.e. make our own head that uses Malkoff drop-ins, but then we're back to the whole issue of waiting on Malkoff.

I'll have to see what Walt thinks and do some more research. Of course, the AVS heads are nice, but not sure everyone wants something that large or bright.

UWone77
2 January 2015, 11:36
I see the AVS bezel on the elzetta site for $115, which is the larger head, 650 lumens. The "standard" head on the bravos uses a 235 lumen Malkoff LED unit, and doesn't appear to be for sale. There's really no reason we can't do the same thing, i.e. make our own head that uses Malkoff drop-ins, but then we're back to the whole issue of waiting on Malkoff.

I'll have to see what Walt thinks and do some more research. Of course, the AVS heads are nice, but not sure everyone wants something that large or bright.

We can get you in touch with Dave Barnett at Elzetta if you want to work on a collaboration.

voodoo_man
2 January 2015, 12:45
You guys should end up making your own heads, bodies and tail caps that are interchangeable with SF/SL/etc

GOST
2 January 2015, 15:34
We can get you in touch with Dave Barnett at Elzetta if you want to work on a collaboration.

This would be cool. And yes on the Surefire tail caps.

UWone77
3 January 2015, 12:55
The Elzetta Design Bravo is too big. So No Dice

I wasn't aware that they also used Malkoff M60 heads. Just goes to tell you I didn't pay attention or ever pull the Elzetta lights apart.


http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/IMG_2731_zpsf8475706.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/IMG_2731_zpsf8475706.jpg.html)

Slippers
3 January 2015, 14:04
Thanks for posting that picture. Interesting how they set it up. It wouldn't be difficult at all to make a modified scout body that accepts M60 drop ins and uses the Elzetta bezels. Or make our own bezel. No big deal on the lathe to run those.

CarbonScoring
3 January 2015, 15:59
I ordered a body from you this morning and it was already shipped (only 4 hours later). Now that's service.

Just waiting on Malkoff to restock now.

UWone77
3 January 2015, 16:12
Thanks for posting that picture. Interesting how they set it up. It wouldn't be difficult at all to make a modified scout body that accepts M60 drop ins and uses the Elzetta bezels. Or make our own bezel. No big deal on the lathe to run those.

Sounds like your only issue will be trying to find which light bodies will be most popular to make it worth the cost of producing.

I like the Surefire Bodies, but I like the Elzetta heads better, since they offer such a wide assortment. Either way, you guys are cranking out some great stuff!

voodoo_man
3 January 2015, 16:38
You should just make your own at this point ;)

Slippers
4 January 2015, 13:50
I ordered a body from you this morning and it was already shipped (only 4 hours later). Now that's service.

Just waiting on Malkoff to restock now.

Thank you! And yes...lots of people waiting it seems, including me. I'm trying to buy some in bulk for complete lights. Last time I emailed Gene it was "soon" but someone posted on m4c that it will be "weeks" until they are in. :(


Sounds like your only issue will be trying to find which light bodies will be most popular to make it worth the cost of producing.

I like the Surefire Bodies, but I like the Elzetta heads better, since they offer such a wide assortment. Either way, you guys are cranking out some great stuff!


You should just make your own at this point ;)

I don't think Walt and I intend to become a full-fledged light manufacturer. It wasn't really the direction we wanted to take with Arisaka. A collaboration might be a better route.

When we get to the m600 scout bodies it shouldn't to very difficult to make a variant that accepts elzetta heads. Then it'll be possible to throw one of their AVS heads on the front for $115 and have a really nice light for decent cost.

GOST
4 January 2015, 14:10
How about a thread adapter so you can use an Elzetta head with the scout body.

Slippers
4 January 2015, 15:35
How about a thread adapter so you can use an Elzetta head with the scout body.

I guess it's possible. It would have to also encase a second battery. The elzetta AVS heads won't run off a single cell. Or, they probably do, but they're going to be dimming as the battery drains since it would be past regulation.

Might not look very pretty, either. The simplest, most reliable (due to lack of extra o-rings/threads), and best looking solution would still be a dedicated scout body that takes elzetta heads and surefire tail caps.

Perhaps an adapter for the m600 length bodies to accept elzetta heads instead of a whole separate part. Hmmm!

GOST
4 January 2015, 15:42
The simplest, most reliable (due to lack of extra o-rings/threads), and best looking solution would still be a dedicated scout body that takes elzetta heads and surefire tail caps.

I like this idea the best.

Slippers
5 January 2015, 13:17
I like this idea the best.

You're probably going to get your wish. :)

On another note, vert grips soon...

http://i.imgur.com/DM4QOt8.jpg

GOST
5 January 2015, 15:45
You're probably going to get your wish. :)

On another note, vert grips soon...

http://i.imgur.com/DM4QOt8.jpg

Will it be one or two cell?

toolboxluis00200
5 January 2015, 16:10
can i sale you my idea ?? lol

CarbonScoring
5 January 2015, 16:45
I got my body today. The machining and finish on it are really nice.

I don't own a Scout light, but I've got a UE07 on the way. Until Malkoff get their heads back in stock I can't do much with it, but I'll get a couple photos up soon.

Slippers
5 January 2015, 17:33
Will it be one or two cell?

Two cell. Can't do a one cell unless Elzetta wants to sell alpha bezels/drop-ins separately. I feel like offering it in a two cell version will appeal to a wider array of users, since it will allow the light to work with the AVS heads in addition to the standard heads.


can i sale you my idea ?? lol

I guess that depends on the idea and what it costs. :)


I got my body today. The machining and finish on it are really nice.

I don't own a Scout light, but I've got a UE07 on the way. Until Malkoff get their heads back in stock I can't do much with it, but I'll get a couple photos up soon.

Lack of malkoff inventory strikes again. :(
Glad you like the body, otherwise.


Another new item we're releasing this week is a little optic leveler tool. There are others that work in a similar manner on the market, but most are very expensive, built in to mounts, or only work on Picatinny rails. Our design is made to work on one piece mounts, since most people don't use stand-alone rings on AR15s. It can work on a Picatinny rail, too, of course.

If you're not familiar with how these work, you place your scope in your mount/rings and tighten it down to take up the slack, but leave it loose enough so you can still rotate it by hand. You then place the leveler base directly under the turret cluster and slide the wedge in from the side. The matching angles on the wedge and base cause the wedge to rise upwards, until it hits the turret cluster and levels the scope. You can then tighten one ring, remove the leveler, and tighten the other ring. If your scope is of decent quality and the reticle is aligned with the turret cluster, you're all set.

http://i.imgur.com/EjXFmKz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/l3kARnN.jpg

toolboxluis00200
5 January 2015, 18:15
I guess that depends on the idea and what it costs. :)



let me find what i am looking for and i will hand draw you my idea :)

voodoo_man
6 January 2015, 05:38
http://i.imgur.com/Y1YEUZx.jpg

Slippers
6 January 2015, 06:43
http://i.imgur.com/Y1YEUZx.jpg
I might just have to send you a prototype 45 degree scout mount. :)

voodoo_man
6 January 2015, 08:48
I might just have to send you a prototype 45 degree scout mount. :)

It wasn't in the mail already?

[BD]

Ride4frnt
6 January 2015, 08:57
Two cell. Can't do a one cell unless Elzetta wants to sell alpha bezels/drop-ins separately. I feel like offering it in a two cell version will appeal to a wider array of users, since it will allow the light to work with the AVS heads in addition to the standard heads.



I guess that depends on the idea and what it costs. :)



Lack of malkoff inventory strikes again. :(
Glad you like the body, otherwise.


Another new item we're releasing this week is a little optic leveler tool. There are others that work in a similar manner on the market, but most are very expensive, built in to mounts, or only work on Picatinny rails. Our design is made to work on one piece mounts, since most people don't use stand-alone rings on AR15s. It can work on a Picatinny rail, too, of course.

If you're not familiar with how these work, you place your scope in your mount/rings and tighten it down to take up the slack, but leave it loose enough so you can still rotate it by hand. You then place the leveler base directly under the turret cluster and slide the wedge in from the side. The matching angles on the wedge and base cause the wedge to rise upwards, until it hits the turret cluster and levels the scope. You can then tighten one ring, remove the leveler, and tighten the other ring. If your scope is of decent quality and the reticle is aligned with the turret cluster, you're all set.

http://i.imgur.com/EjXFmKz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/l3kARnN.jpg

Very interested in the scope leveler. Any idea on price? I've been looking for one.

voodoo_man
6 January 2015, 09:14
http://i.imgur.com/DD1lrPx.jpg

Slippers
6 January 2015, 09:20
Very interested in the scope leveler. Any idea on price? I've been looking for one.

They are $23, available now.


It wasn't in the mail already?

[BD]

http://i.imgur.com/DD1lrPx.jpg

Hah! I don't even have the final raw prototypes in my hands yet. Couple days out.

And you certainly made the orange anodizing *pop* in that picture. Very cool.

Gaspipeshooter
6 January 2015, 12:23
That scope leveler is so simple it's pure genius...

CarbonScoring
6 January 2015, 21:38
Here's a quick shot of the new body (since that's the only Scout part I have)

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7569/15600038033_70a7bac8d9_b.jpg

Slippers
7 January 2015, 21:27
That little body does look lonely waiting for a head and tailcap. I honestly do feel kind of bad that Malkoff doesn't have any heads in stock. :(

Little Geissele MK8 action. BCM ELW barrels look even skinnier with a big trifecta flash hider on the end.
http://i.imgur.com/EI3wgle.jpg

CarbonScoring
8 January 2015, 00:47
That little body does look lonely waiting for a head and tailcap. I honestly do feel kind of bad that Malkoff doesn't have any heads in stock. :(

I should at least have a UE07 shortly.

Slippers
8 January 2015, 11:43
http://i.imgur.com/T82Hahw.jpg

Gaspipeshooter
8 January 2015, 13:04
http://i.imgur.com/T82Hahw.jpg

Dead. Sexy.

Slippers
8 January 2015, 19:22
More prototype show off time. This is a final offset scout mount, fresh off the mill (well 2 days off the mill). It's very thin (4mm), smooth and clean, and the large chamfer on the bottom edge blends in nicely with the NSR.
http://i.imgur.com/5jvl11X.jpg

This is with our 300 series light body, and the light in the 2nd closest position to the top rail. Note the minuscule clearance even with the widest front sight (diamondhead).
http://i.imgur.com/rPFHijQ.jpg

This is a down the rail shot with our body, same position as previous picture (2nd closest to the top rail).
http://i.imgur.com/Sl4PKIy.jpg

And lastly, this is the OEM scout body, which can only fit on the right side of the handguard if you use the 4th position, furthest from the top rail.
http://i.imgur.com/LA34gfq.jpg

This mount will, of course, work on other handguards, not just the NSR, but it won't be tucked in quite as tightly. We had to base it around the NSR because it's the thinnest handguard, width-wise. It still puts the light in a very good position on the MI SSK, Parallax, etc. It even works nicely on the BCM KMR, although the light won't be as close to the surface of the 45 degree flat when compared to our inline mount.

The KeyMod parts will be going to anodizing at the beginning of next week. Probably available after SHOT. Standard disclaimer applies - no promises on release dates. :)

GOST
8 January 2015, 19:44
Slippers it's nice to see a manufacturer take time to show and explain their new products here.

voodoo_man
9 January 2015, 03:36
Look like exactly what is needed on the market.

Stupid question, could you incorporate a QD inlet in ome of the 45 degree mounts?

GOST
9 January 2015, 04:22
Stupid question, could you incorporate a QD inlet in one of the 45 degree mounts?

That would be pretty cool to have a QD sling mount built in to a light mount.

Slippers
9 January 2015, 05:11
Look like exactly what is needed on the market.

Stupid question, could you incorporate a QD inlet in ome of the 45 degree mounts?

We could but then we'd have to do two versions. The QD socket would replace the recoil lug centered between the two mounting screws. So we'd have to add a teeny lug on the muzzle side like the bcm and noveske QD mounts. This would result in a left and right version.

voodoo_man
9 January 2015, 05:28
We could but then we'd have to do two versions. The QD socket would replace the recoil lug centered between the two mounting screws. So we'd have to add a teeny lug on the muzzle side like the bcm and noveske QD mounts. This would result in a left and right version.

hmmm...any way to make it ambi?

That would be a killer setup.

GOST
9 January 2015, 05:32
Would be great for SBR's.

Slippers
9 January 2015, 07:39
A QD sling swivel won't actually fit below the light body unless you angle it or have the sling strap going down away from the light. If you try to have the sling strap run parallel with the light body the swivel hits it (so you can't actually insert it in that specific orientation).

Gaspipeshooter
9 January 2015, 07:52
We could but then we'd have to do two versions. The QD socket would replace the recoil lug centered between the two mounting screws. So we'd have to add a teeny lug on the muzzle side like the bcm and noveske QD mounts. This would result in a left and right version.

I'll man up and volunteer to field test the left-handed version...

voodoo_man
9 January 2015, 07:54
hmmm...sounds like a cool idea....

Slippers
9 January 2015, 08:11
I'll man up and volunteer to field test the left-handed version...

I was wrong, we can do an ambi version. But the sling swivel still won't fit properly in the normal orientation most people would want to use it.

Plus, we've already made a decently large number of the one I showed above in the pictures. :)

voodoo_man
9 January 2015, 08:28
I was wrong, we can do an ambi version. But the sling swivel still won't fit properly in the normal orientation most people would want to use it.

Plus, we've already made a decently large number of the one I showed above in the pictures. :)

Version 2 plus

..just saying.