LANTAC E-BCG

[BoltFace927]

http://i.imgur.com/khTKAsk.jpg
Patent Pending LANTAC E-BCG
Redesigned gas ported carrier, shrouded primary port, enlarged and forward angled secondary ports.
The new gas porting results is a much flatter shooting carrier, as gas is bled off differently, it also dumps more of its gas forward and out of the ejection port opening. Due to this feature suppressed short barrel rifles do not seem to suffer from as much pressurization.
In testing we were able to shoot a 7.5'' 556 rifle with suppressor fitted in full auto and feel no gas to the face. This was with a .0635'' gas port and pistol gas and standard charging handle.
Unsuppressed and longer barrel rifles benefit from smoother, flatter operation and increased lock time.
The enlarged boss on the tail assists in receiver bore alignment and aids in bolt lock up position consistency.
The Carrier is manufactured from 8620, the Bolt from Carpenter 158. The bolt is MPI tested.
Complete BCG is Nickel Boron coated.
Gas Key Screws are all milspec and staked properly in 4 places.
Extractor is fitted with spring insert and 'O' ring.
BCG's come with a lifetime defect warranty.

[JGifford]

I dunno...I'm still in the milspec camp.

[BoltFace927]

Definitely with you on milspec BCGs but I'm interested to see how their forward facing port will work.

[JGifford]

Definitely with you on milspec BCGs but I'm interested to see how their forward facing port will work.

I just wonder if we are chasing the correct dragon, here...

What is the goal?

Mike Pannone proved long ago that with zero lube or maintenance a Milspec bcg will allow allow gun to run 2,000+- rounds.
Pat Rogers (allowed many others, though with less fanfare called to the process) have proven that a Milspec bcg will run literally it's whole life without cleaning if you just add lube.

So I ask...what is gained? The m4 has a current benchmarked MRBS of 3600 rounds. What are the unintended consequences? How do they affect this benchmark? How many hundreds of thousands of rounds of testing are needed to quantify that?

[GOST]

If it handles gas that well, it could be an interesting piece for left handed guys shooting suppressed.

[DutyUse]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/08/a42c5098dc2945542ca88b354e355498.jpg

Here's a view in the Lantac UAR.

I'll wait until the two are proven but they look interesting.

[JGifford]

If it handles gas that well, it could be an interesting piece for left handed guys shooting suppressed.

If it handles gas that we'll what's it trading? Gas=heat and pressure=energy...where is it going? It is being redirected elsewhere, to what effect? Nothing is free.

[Gaspipeshooter]

If it handles gas that well, it could be an interesting piece for left handed guys shooting suppressed.

http://www.ohiowaterfowler.com/SMILEYS/WINNER.gif

[GOST]

If it handles gas that we'll what's it trading? Gas=heat and pressure=energy...where is it going? It is being redirected elsewhere, to what effect? Nothing is free.

Don't know, you may want to email them.

[JGifford]

Don't know, you may want to email them.

I'd rather not. Of course they think it's great. Where the rubber meets the road is what I care about, and what they won't provide to my satisfaction. I'll just wait and see what end users have to say, and if it gets enough positive press, I may buy one one day. I'm simply musing.

[Thompson]

If it handles gas that we'll what's it trading? Gas=heat and pressure=energy...where is it going? It is being redirected elsewhere, to what effect? Nothing is free.
You make a valid point there about conservation of energy.

Although, now that I saw this thread, I'm very interested since I'm thinking about doing a suppressor build regardless.

[LantacUSA]

Hi Guys.
The principle is pretty simple really, we shrouded the first gas port so that gas is forced forwards and parallel to the inside of the upper, rather than at 90degrees to the bore as in a standard carrier. Next we enlarged the other two gas holes and changed the porting angle to be narrower vertically and angled further forward also. You can see the results in the attached pic. Its exaggerated by cramming lube into the port holes so that the blast direction becomes more obvious.
We have tested the BCG with 50Gr, 55Gr, 62Gr, 69Gr and 75Gr ammo from a variety of manufacturers and its been run in a 14.5 and a 7.5 (with and without a suppressor). We could not detect any gas leakage near the shooters face from the 7.5'' suppressed barrel with pistol gas and a .0653'' gas port and SS109 ammo. That was full auto as well as fast semi. Bare faced, no covering.
The rear of the carrier has an enlarged boss that keeps it running nice and flat and the new porting gives it more of a soft start with less jump. Its slightly heavier than a standard full auto carrier too, so we are seeing a slight improvement in lock time. http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt289/threedi/gasforward_zps5d623d5a.jpg
We have had guys running them for a while now with no reported problems and we specifically chose milspec steel materials. It will be available in NiB first with s phosphate version to follow. We also have a Titanium Carrier version available too.
Cheers
P

[UWone77]

Lantac,

This is one of the products I'm waiting for release as well as the Upper. Thanks for chiming in.

[LantacUSA]

Thanks.
We have a new high speed video coming out featuring the e-bcg too.

[Thompson]

Thanks for providing that tid-bit of information Lantac; definitely makes more sense now. Any chance you could share some close-ups of the BCG?

[LantacUSA]

Will do, ill see what I can post for you tomorrow.

[Thompson]

That'd be great. Thanks much!

[Naytwan]

Interesting design. Looking forward to seeing the close ups.

[LantacUSA]

Here you go guys:
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt289/threedi/bcg_we001_zpsed3ed22c.jpg
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt289/threedi/bcg_we004_zps8e37f074.jpg
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt289/threedi/bcg_we002_zpsdb04b904.jpg
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt289/threedi/bcg_we003_zpsf453c00b.jpg
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt289/threedi/bcg_we005_zps4e79bdc6.jpg

[GOST]

Thanks for the info Lantac and nice pics.

[LantacUSA]

Did the pictures post OK. I have to wait for mod approval but cant see them.

[Thompson]

I don't see them either.

[UWone77]

Pictures approved. That's a great looking carrier. Can't wait to run one.

[Tyrannosaur]

Really interested in this. Hope the price point isn't like the LWRC NIB DI BCG. No release date yet I suppose. Interested to see the video.

[Pyzik]

Thanks.
We have a new high speed video coming out featuring the e-bcg too.

Giggity.

I love your guys' high speed clips.
Looking forward to this as well.

[Thompson]

Wow - a very slick and clean looking BCG. Looks like it will run great with your upper.

Now I really want to get my hands on one!

Any chance you could upload a shot of the opposite end? Just wanted to see how the enlarged boss looked like.

[SINNER]

Mil-Spec = last decade's cutting edge.

Being a lefty and shooting all right hand semi's I appreciate any effort to divert the gases.

[LantacUSA]

Will get some more shots figured out for you asap.

[GOST]

Hey let's not try to make it to easy for the lefties.[:D] The concept sounds really good. I foresee UW getting one of these.

[JGifford]

Mil-Spec = last decade's cutting edge.

Being a lefty and shooting all right hand semi's I appreciate any effort to divert the gases.


Actually, it represents the cutting edge as of about 2 years ago when it destroyed about a dozen entrants to the BCG PiP that the military conducted.

[Thompson]

Mil-Spec = last decade's cutting edge..
Just curious, by that do you mean that in today's standards, it goes above and beyond mil-spec?

And thanks Lantac!

[SINNER]

Just curious, by that do you mean that in today's standards, it goes above and beyond mil-spec?

And thanks Lantac!

I was speaking about the comments that some would rather just stick with a standard mil-spec carrier. I think those with that mentality of Mil-spec or nothing lose out on a lot of superior products.

[GOST]

Hey Lantac do you care to share anything about the new proprietary buffer system off your FB page?

[LantacUSA]

Hey Lantac do you care to share anything about the new proprietary buffer system off your FB page?

We are about to file the patent and then all will be revealed. ;)

[GOST]

Interested to see what you've made.

[Thompson]

I was speaking about the comments that some would rather just stick with a standard mil-spec carrier. I think those with that mentality of Mil-spec or nothing lose out on a lot of superior products.
Oh - yep; couldn't agree with you more!

[GOST]

There's nothing wrong with being a purest as long as you give a company the chance to prove themselves. Most purest believe in investing in training over products.

[UWone77]

Introducing our new E-BCG Bolt Carrier Group with forward porting gas system and Domed Head 'SmoothCam' Cam Pin. Our Enhanced BCG runs smoother and flatter, cleaner and with less pressurization to the upper when used with a suppressor.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pzw9EqhVI0A

[Steeles]

putting the EBCG on the list of things for a suppressor upper build...

[Thompson]

... This BCG will go will with my 300 BLK build

Interesting to note how Lantac's lower was made in the UK. Guessing it's just a prototype/pre-production model.

[LantacUSA]

Hope you all enjoy the video guys.
We are a UK based company as well and have permission from the Home Office that allows us to make Semi Auto and Full Auto rifles in that country. Some testing is done over there too.. We make semi auto rifles in the UK for Europe etc... USA Products are machined in Nevada and South Carolina. We will have full rifle production for the USA very soon with some new products coming in 2015.

[Thompson]

Learned something new today. Very cool though!

And yep, it was an awesome video. Good music too. Can't wait to see more of the E-BCG!

[Eric]

I was speaking about the comments that some would rather just stick with a standard mil-spec carrier. I think those with that mentality of Mil-spec or nothing lose out on a lot of superior products. I'll stick with a known mil-spec part over an unproven part every time, for a duty or defensive carbine. That won't prevent me from testing out new products, but they get used in a different role.

[GOST]

^Well put Eric.^ Until one feels that a new proprietary part has a proven track record, I personally wouldn't want my life depending on it. That's not to say improvements can't be made over mil-spec, the KAC E3 system is a prime example.

[GOST]

Video Release ***E-BCG GIVEAWAY***

One Lucky winner will be drawn on Black Friday 23:59Hrs PST You must SHARE the video, comment below "Shared" and Tag 3 friends. Good Luck!!


http://youtu.be/pzw9EqhVI0A

[Thompson]

I'll stick with a known mil-spec part over an unproven part every time, for a duty or defensive carbine. That won't prevent me from testing out new products, but they get used in a different role.
Couldn't agree with you more.

And thanks for posting that GOST!

[GOST]

No problem, trying increase peoples chances of getting free stuff.

[schambers]

Appologies for being late to the pary on this thread.

Lantac, have you tested with 300 blk subsonics on a suppressed SBR? I'm curious to see if the BCG would be effective in that setup.

ps. thats the current build I'm working on.

[toolboxluis00200]

Video Release ***E-BCG GIVEAWAY***

One Lucky winner will be drawn on Black Friday 23:59Hrs PST You must SHARE the video, comment below "Shared" and Tag 3 friends. Good Luck!!


http://youtu.be/pzw9EqhVI0A

hope is me LOL i dont have the money to build a new upper

[UWone77]

Looks like these are just about to be released finally:


http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w654/richardkim0177/lantac_zps64d4e9f2.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/richardkim0177/media/lantac_zps64d4e9f2.jpg.html)
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http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w654/richardkim0177/Lantac3_zps41c3e0d6.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/richardkim0177/media/Lantac3_zps41c3e0d6.jpg.html)
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http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w654/richardkim0177/Lantac5_zpsb11553aa.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/richardkim0177/media/Lantac5_zpsb11553aa.jpg.html)
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w654/richardkim0177/lantac6_zpsc1257f5f.jpg (http://s1334.photobucket.com/user/richardkim0177/media/lantac6_zpsc1257f5f.jpg.html)


Specifications:


M16 Full Auto Style for increased mass and lock time.
Our new BCG is precision machined from 8620 Steel with a shot peened bolt manufactured from Carpenter 158 and Magnetically Particle Inspected.
The entire carrier assembly is NiB, Electroless Nickel Boron coated with the patented, advanced UTC EXO process, unlike standard NiB coatings.
This offers extreme lubricity with a friction coefficent of .04 and surface hardness of 68-72 Rockwell C.
The carriers patent pending design features unique shrouded and forward facing gas ports that have also been re sized so that gas is vented differently to a standard carrier.
This results in a system that runs flatter with a smoother energy pulse.
In addition the system also runs cooler and cleaner, there is also less pressurization of the upper receiver when running a suppressed barrel.
The flared boss at the tail of the carrier enhances the BCG's lock position within the upper and makes it more consistent, resulting in an accuracy improvement.
All critical dimensions are hard turned / ground after heat treat and the bore of the carrier and gas key have been hard chrome lined for the best possible wear resistance.
All E-BCG's feature the LANTAC CP-R360 patent pending domed cam pin that is machined from 17-4PH Stainless Steel and hardened to H900 condition (45RC approx).
The ultra smooth head reduces wear within the upper receiver.
The BCG's 11.7oz weight helps to increase lock time and smoother operation.
Gas keys are properly staked at four points and only grade 8 fasteners are used in assembly.


Weight 11.7oz
Forward Porting, enlarged vents.
Balanced flared boss.
8620 Carrier, Heat Treated, Hard Turned, Chrome Lined
MPI Carpenter 158 Bolt, Shot Peened, Hard Turned / Ground.
NiB UTC EXO Coating.
CP-R360 Domed Cam Pin
All Hard Chrome surfaces are to MIL-STD-171 1.2.2.2
Shot Peening is conducted with S110 shot, Established by Almen Gage A-2 strip .006 -.008
Made in the USA.

MSRP $285.00

[toolboxluis00200]

that looks sexy

[GOST]

Was considering one of these but that price is a deal breaker for me.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Was considering one of these but that price is a deal breaker for me.

Agreed. What makes the EBCG worth it. And I know I know premium parts for premium price etc etc.

[UWone77]

This is competing with the LMT Enhanced Carrier, and priced as such.

[GOST]

About the only one I would consider at that price would be an E3. I doubt with my skill set that I would be able to tell much difference between this one and a FA NiB BCG. Not saying that it may not be the best thing since sliced bread, but rather that this bread cost to much.

[Thompson]

Even at that price, I still think I'd splurge and get it for my 300 BLK build. Looks very well machined (didn't expect anything less).

[Dstrbdmedic167]

This is competing with the LMT Enhanced Carrier, and priced as such.

Understood! It is a sweet looking carrier and I can't say I'd never get one. I do have to admit it has very nice lines.

[Tyrannosaur]

The more I look at this the more I like it. This or the Fathom enhanced... Gun people problems

[LantacUSA]

Not here to defend prices guys just to say that there is a load of R & D in this and it has features that other carriers simply don't have, so its a different animal for sure.
Its got the highest spec on materials and finishing, ships with our reduced wear cam pin and features forward porting as well as the flared tail. That tail noticeably increases accuracy over a standard carrier.
The porting is totally re designed and this results in a much flatter shooting bolt that also runs cooler. Its EXO UTC NiB coated not just standard NiB and hand polished too.
We have tried to price it as competitively as possible considering an LMT enhanced carrier is over $300 and so is a Salient.
It wont be everyone's choice, we know that, but we only make the best and that costs.
Wait till you see what else is coming for 2015 :)

[DutyUse]

. That tail noticeably increases accuracy over a standard carrier.


Let me preface by saying I own and adore my Lantac Dragon and y'all's UAR is high on the purchase list.

But what is a 'noticeable' increase and what testing are you basing this conclusion on? And how are you attributing accuracy increases to a change in carrier shape?

[GOST]

What brand BCG is your's being tested against for this data on accuracy?

[LantacUSA]

Busy right now but Ill try and get you some data. We are still compiling. It would not be fair to state names of BCG but it has been tested against a few. Accuracy was improved in our testing.

[Tyrannosaur]

No updates on this...?

[Stone]

Not here to defend prices guys just to say that there is a load of R & D in this and it has features that other carriers simply don't have, so its a different animal for sure.
Its got the highest spec on materials and finishing, ships with our reduced wear cam pin and features forward porting as well as the flared tail. That tail noticeably increases accuracy over a standard carrier.
The porting is totally re designed and this results in a much flatter shooting bolt that also runs cooler. Its EXO UTC NiB coated not just standard NiB and hand polished too.
We have tried to price it as competitively as possible considering an LMT enhanced carrier is over $300 and so is a Salient.
It wont be everyone's choice, we know that, but we only make the best and that costs.
Wait till you see what else is coming for 2015 :)


Nothing wrong with defending your price point. Just looking at the specs sheet and overall design, it screams high quality. The guys who complain about prices are buying $49 barrels and $25 BCG's and were probably never going to be a customer in the first place. The price is what the price is. Complaining that you wont buy something because the "price is too high" is a kick in the teeth to manufacturers who spend a lot of time and money bringing higher quality parts to market. If you cant "afford it" then maybe that information is better kept to yourself.

[LMMzach]

Lantac dialed

[GOST]

Nothing wrong with defending your price point. Just looking at the specs sheet and overall design, it screams high quality. The guys who complain about prices are buying $49 barrels and $25 BCG's and were probably never going to be a customer in the first place. The price is what the price is. Complaining that you wont buy something because the "price is too high" is a kick in the teeth to manufacturers who spend a lot of time and money bringing higher quality parts to market. If you cant "afford it" then maybe that information is better kept to yourself.
Do you have the link to the $49 barrels and $25 BCG?

[Thompson]

Do you have the link to the $49 barrels and $25 BCG?
Probably made in China haha.

[Tyrannosaur]

Looks like these are ready for release. Shows them in the package on the website. Wish we could hear more about the testing and comparisons....

[GOST]

Looks like they're getting ready to ship.

https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10865926_403021769853414_4242478119630433534_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9

[mustangfreek]

DO want......But...no monies.....

[Stone]

Do you have the link to the $49 barrels and $25 BCG?

Bawhahahaha!!! Dats a good von...[:D] Buffalo Bill on line 3

[Thompson]

Wish we could hear more about the testing and comparisons....
Maybe MrGunsngear will ;)

[GOST]

Looks like these are ready for release. Shows them in the package on the website. Wish we could hear more about the testing and comparisons....


Maybe MrGunsngear will ;)

Since this BCG is supposed to handle gas better I'd rather have someone left handed review it. I'm thinking a certain Administrator here would be a good pick.

[DutyUse]

Busy right now but Ill try and get you some data. We are still compiling. It would not be fair to state names of BCG but it has been tested against a few. Accuracy was improved in our testing.

Anything ever become of this? Or just explained how you attribute the shape of the Carrier effecting accuracy

[GOST]

Anything ever become of this? Or just explained how you attribute the shape of the Carrier effecting accuracy

They probably just didn't use the best wording in the initial description. It may give a more consistent bolt lock up that may assist with accuracy, like with a bolt gun. A lot of match carriers have a similar profile to the front of this carrier, the other companies claim that the added extra weight there helps with consistency in lock up. But there are to many variables besides the BCG for them to guarantee any accuracy claims, this may be one reason you haven't heard an thing else yet.

They may end up showing test against an anonymous BCG, since it would bad business for them to name the BCG used in the test. But if they don't name the BCG they test theirs against some consumers will still not be happy with the info.

[GOST]

The Lantac is an interesting looking design. It's profile is similar to other match BCG's on the market, but looks to have it's gas ports rearranged. Below shows how the front of the carrier is similar to a Rainier Arms Match BCG, and the back is similar to that of a PWS Enhanced DI BCG.

RA Match BCG
http://pull01.rainier.netdna-cdn.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/650x650/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_19695.jpg

Lantac E-BCG
http://www.ar15news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/LANTAC-E-BCG-Pre-Order-2-copy.jpg

PWS Enhanced DI BCG
http://www.weaponoutfitters.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/580x365/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/w/pws_di_bcg_3.jpg

[DutyUse]

The tail reminds me of the Fathom.. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/81fc93ed02c9b0886fd688c13256d826.jpg

[UWone77]

The tail reminds me of the Fathom.. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/81fc93ed02c9b0886fd688c13256d826.jpg

I still need to try out a Fathom BCG. Stick is giving one away shortly...

[DutyUse]

I still need to try out a Fathom BCG. Stick is giving one away shortly...

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/05/edd9ce9daefd5b9a74a85380d6d37af7.jpg

Of these three in front of me. It's by far the nicest. When the biggest complaint is the cotter pin is to hard to get in, you know you got a great product.

Thing is beautifully machined. Slick as snot. And I get the feeling I could blast a couple thousand rounds of wolf and this thing would keep on chewing em up.

I screwed up bad when ordering (4 in basket when I meant for 1 oops...). Christmas Eve Guy not only gets back to me but fixes the problem (he's overseas working mind you). That's customer service ladies and gents!

[GOST]

I like that Umbrella BCG.

[Tyrannosaur]

I second that Guy goes above and beyond when it comes to customer service. Awesome to deal with and an amazing product

[DutyUse]

I like that Umbrella BCG.

When Guy was fixing my 900$ mistake I asked him if it would be possible to have the UCWRG nitride coated when he sent his next batch out to Azimuth. Think I may have a winner ;)

[GOST]

Here's a new video of the E-BCG with a 14.5" intermediate barrel going full auto. You can see the scope move and the barrel flex, but no movement of the rifle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pYW3nkKAsiE

[AaronP220]

I just bought one.

[UWone77]

I just bought one.

Well that's just par for the course for you Aaron, you like nice stuff!

[Fathom_Arms]

I messed up the quoting....

[Fathom_Arms]

I second that Guy goes above and beyond when it comes to customer service. Awesome to deal with and an amazing product


When Guy was fixing my 900$ mistake I asked him if it would be possible to have the UCWRG nitride coated when he sent his next batch out to Azimuth. Think I may have a winner ;)

I just saw this. Thanks for the kind words! I work really hard to always be there for my customers. I really appreciate it!!

[JGifford]

I just saw this. Thanks for the kind words! I work really hard to always be there for my customers. I really appreciate it!!

I'll vouch for this! Great tech support. Backed by actual professional and end-user knowledge, without the "Shut up I know everything" attitude that such legit degrees and experiences COULD produce. If he sells it and I want it, he gets my $$.

[Fathom_Arms]

I'll vouch for this! Great tech support. Backed by actual professional and end-user knowledge, without the "Shut up I know everything" attitude that such legit degrees and experiences COULD produce. If he sells it and I want it, he gets my $$.

Thanks brother!

[JGifford]

On a totally unrelated topic, here...watched that video multiple times, and each time that scope bothers me more and more.

THIS! is why you spend serious money for a serious tool when it comes to optics. That is a 5.56 carbine with a brake and fancy BCG and all that jazz...and YET! Look at that scope/mount flex! Cheap Chicom trash dies for a reason, folks, and you're looking at that reason.

[schambers]

On a totally unrelated topic, here...watched that video multiple times, and each time that scope bothers me more and more.

THIS! is why you spend serious money for a serious tool when it comes to optics. That is a 5.56 carbine with a brake and fancy BCG and all that jazz...and YET! Look at that scope/mount flex! Cheap Chicom trash dies for a reason, folks, and you're looking at that reason.

LANTAC appears to use ADM and Larue mounts in most of their promotional material. Both of which are made in America. The flexing you see in the video is a product of the overhang mount design... not from Chinese manufacturing.

The material used in the mounts allows the overhang to flex under recoil to avoid snapping. This is why you will not see large aperture, long range rifle scopes mounted on overhang style mounts (assuming the person who put together the system knows what they are doing). If you have a large objective and the mount flexes, there is a higher change that the optic will impact the weapon and crack/ break something.

[Stone]

What scope mount are they using?

[GOST]

What scope mount are they using?

The mount in the video appears to be a Vortex branded American Defense Recon 30 mount.

http://www.ar15news.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/LANTAC-E-BCG-3.jpg

http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/5/

[JGifford]

LANTAC appears to use ADM and Larue mounts in most of their promotional material. Both of which are made in America. The flexing you see in the video is a product of the overhang mount design... not from Chinese manufacturing.

The material used in the mounts allows the overhang to flex under recoil to avoid snapping. This is why you will not see large aperture, long range rifle scopes mounted on overhang style mounts (assuming the person who put together the system knows what they are doing). If you have a large objective and the mount flexes, there is a higher change that the optic will impact the weapon and crack/ break something.

You missed my point/I made my point poorly.

I meant to indicate that this kind of flex kills cheap trash...not that cheap trash was used or cause of this flex.

Is that better? I understand how my above wording didn't quite convey this last.

[JGifford]

What scope mount are they using?

Vortex Razor HD II is what it looks like to me.

[Stone]

Thanks!

[Tyrannosaur]

Man I want either one of those Vortex Razors or a Nightforce NXS... Both look pretty sweet

[GOST]

.308 E-BCG coming soon from Lantac!

[Tyrannosaur]

Anyone have any real time behind one of these BCGs? All I see are very generic reviews, was looking for real world experience.

[velocity2006]

I have close to 500 rounds on mine and it still looks new. Not any real world use per say, but was done running drills, and has performed flawlessly.

[savgbst]

@lantac - does the smooth dome cam pin work in pretty much all uppers? it seems like on your upper some material has been removed for it to swing in, is that required?

also, why nickel boron over something like NP3? cost? will you have a parkerized one coming out?

would like to switch it out, and put my sr15 bolt in it and run it in my ar15, im just a bit skittish throwing in the money if no ones tried it out. but then, maybe I should be the one to!

[Fathom_Arms]

@lantac - does the smooth dome cam pin work in pretty much all uppers? it seems like on your upper some material has been removed for it to swing in, is that required?

also, why nickel boron over something like NP3? cost? will you have a parkerized one coming out?

would like to switch it out, and put my sr15 bolt in it and run it in my ar15, im just a bit skittish throwing in the money if no ones tried it out. but then, maybe I should be the one to!

It does work with regular uppers. We now carry them on our site!

[savgbst]

@lantac
and the rest?:confused:

I am familiar with Nib, I haven't been real impressed with it, I am inquiring with some industrail finishers about a CVD/PVD coating but there is also NP3...will you hav a pararized on comeing out, or can I get one "unifished" as it were?

To be clear, I think you have a winning product, I just like to tinker. Or, spend my money on surperfluous nonsense that I think is neat. [:D]

[GOST]

If you're looking for something different the Lantac E-BCG isn't the regular NiB coating, it's UCT EXO. A which offers a friction coefficent of .02 and surface hardness of 82-85 Rockwell C.

[Joelski]

.308 E-BCG coming soon from Lantac!

Will a UAR upper be far behind?

[Joelski]

Big thread about NiBx vs. Nitride vs. Phosphate vs. whatever else on M4C atm...

Nobody mentions that most of the crap wipes off the bolt with a shop rag on the NiBx coated part, vs. scraping, cursing, dogma, etc...

Somebody looked at one under a microscope... a microscope. And they saw PITS!! The HORROR!! :D Diamonds have pits if you stare hard enough. And they don't shave for a week. :D

[DutyUse]

I'm quite satisfied with quality nitride as well as phosphate when you understand its limitations.

Nitride as a process, particularly the ones coming from Fathom, have been flawless and have impressed the hell outta me after being a jaded milspec guy forever. However I'm not myopic and ordered a NIB bcg from Rainer for the wevo kitty build. I'm excited to beat on it too :D

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/05/8c002b9eb8bc997b732b6c4354ba0253.jpg

[savgbst]

https://robarguns.com/blog/2013/08/23/np3-vs-nickel-boron/

This has matched my experience with nickel boron finishes. Some people like them, cool, ymmv, I just am not enamored with them since usually to put on a finish I do like, I have to get the Nib stripped, I am hoping I can get one without. It can't be that hard to pull a plain metal one off the line to ship it.

[velocity2006]

The Lantac does not have a typical NIB, it is what they call EXO coated, it is pretty different from typical NIB. I can take out the Lantac after a few hundred rounds and most of the grime deposits on my glove just from handling it.

[UWone77]

The Lantac does not have a typical NIB, it is what they call EXO coated, it is pretty different from typical NIB. I can take out the Lantac after a few hundred rounds and most of the grime deposits on my glove just from handling it.

Yeah, I don't know exactly what process constitutes EXO coated, but it's obviously not your standard cheapo $99 NiB carrier you get just anywhere.

[DutyUse]

The Lantac does not have a typical NIB, it is what they call EXO coated, it is pretty different from typical NIB. I can take out the Lantac after a few hundred rounds and most of the grime deposits on my glove just from handling it.

Will be interesting to see what you think of the Fathom enhanced bcg compared to the Lantac. I wanted to try one but the price tag kinda turned me off. Though it could be worth it if you just wanted to buy a solid dependable BCG

[six8]

Will be interesting to see what you think of the Fathom enhanced bcg compared to the Lantac. I wanted to try one but the price tag kinda turned me off. Though it could be worth it if you just wanted to buy a solid dependable BCG

I kinda want a Lantac but I'll stick with Fathom Arms!

[velocity2006]

Will be interesting to see what you think of the Fathom enhanced bcg compared to the Lantac. I wanted to try one but the price tag kinda turned me off. Though it could be worth it if you just wanted to buy a solid dependable BCG

I'm actually probably going to go with a Fathom E-BCG for the wevo kitty build. Wish I could find one with the original markings though when I decide to purchase one. I'll compare the two when I get the build finished.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I'm actually probably going to go with a Fathom E-BCG for the wevo kitty build. Wish I could find one with the original markings though when I decide to purchase one. I'll compare the two when I get the build finished.

I saw today on IG they may have a few left. Worth an email to check and see.

[velocity2006]

I saw today on IG they may have a few left. Worth an email to check and see.

I would jump on that, but gun budget is already over this month and it's only the 7th lol.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

I would jump on that, but gun budget is already over this month and it's only the 7th lol.

How well I know that this month. The getaway for the 5 year anniversary this weekend isn't helping lol

[DutyUse]

I'm actually probably going to go with a Fathom E-BCG for the wevo kitty build. Wish I could find one with the original markings though when I decide to purchase one. I'll compare the two when I get the build finished.

They are super nice you wouldn't be disappointed. I'm a fan of both logos, if you end up getting an enhanced with the new logo I'll swap you for my original if you'd like.


How well I know that this month. The getaway for the 5 year anniversary this weekend isn't helping lol

Congrats! Our 3rd anniversary was yesterday 10/6. Goes by quick!

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Congrats! Our 3rd anniversary was yesterday 6/10. Goes by quick!

Thanks! She made it easy for me... 10/10/10

[gatordev]

Congrats! Our 3rd anniversary was yesterday 6/10. Goes by quick!

Are you from the EU?

[DutyUse]

Are you from the EU?

Not anymore, I did some highschool in Manchester England & Brussels Belgium tho in 2001 [BD] Sorry typo.. Fixed!

[Joelski]

Thanks! She made it easy for me... 10/10/10

Dang metric system!

Haps!

[Fathom_Arms]

Awesome photo! LANTAC makes a great product and the crew over there is awesome. We actually carry their BCG now too! As the site evolves, expect to see us carry more products from LANTAC.

I'm quite satisfied with quality nitride as well as phosphate when you understand its limitations.

Nitride as a process, particularly the ones coming from Fathom, have been flawless and have impressed the hell outta me after being a jaded milspec guy forever. However I'm not myopic and ordered a NIB bcg from Rainer for the wevo kitty build. I'm excited to beat on it too :D

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/05/8c002b9eb8bc997b732b6c4354ba0253.jpg

[Fathom_Arms]

We have two left!

I'm actually probably going to go with a Fathom E-BCG for the wevo kitty build. Wish I could find one with the original markings though when I decide to purchase one. I'll compare the two when I get the build finished.

[savgbst]

@lantac, you said we could buy the cam pin separately, how does one do that, it's not on the web site? I have a JP bcg I'd like to use it with.

[velocity2006]

We have two left!

If you still have one left over this Friday I could probably pick it up. Your inbox is full by the way.

[Fathom_Arms]

If you still have one left over this Friday I could probably pick it up. Your inbox is full by the way.

Cleared! Feel free to PM

[Josh S.]

Delete

[GOST]

Judging from the looks of this pic from Lantac's FB page black nitride may be on it's way.

1677

[velocity2006]

I saw somewhere, IG, probably where Lantac did a run of Black EBCGs for a special order. They looked Nitrite to me, but it was hard to tell from the photos.

[Aberration79]

Black Nitride now available. Ordered one for my 300BLK SBR.

https://www.lantac-usa.com/product-page/enhanced-bcg-full-auto-style-223-5-56-nitrided

[AaronP220]

We did black limited black nitride run a few years back for SF testing. Now we've released them for the masses in .308 and 5.56.

[Stone]

If you had to choose one for a hard use rifle between the EXO and nitrided BCG, which one would you pick?

[AaronP220]

If you had to choose one for a hard use rifle between the EXO and nitrided BCG, which one would you pick?

NiB is an extremely hard plating. Nitride is an extremely hard surface treatment. The coefficient of friction crowd will love to argue with me - but - they're both pretty much equally as smooth by the "calibrated thumb" measurement (I have a more detailed analysis for the real stickler). So it really comes down to pick your color. Dazzled by chrome or OAF. I've ran both - equally as hard - and can't really pic one way or the other as far as TRUE performance benefits. I think over the REALLY long service life - 50,000+ the NiB would hold up better simply because the plating has an EXTREMELY strong shear strength to the base substrate and the Nitride is - at the end of the day - just a surface treatment of the base substrate metal.

[Stone]

Thanks for the clarification and your honest answers.

[Saladman]

Is there a followup to the accuracy improvement claims for the Lantac BCG's? I'm looking to build a high power rifle (20" rifle gas) and wouldn't mind using a fancy part if the claims are true...

As I understand it, the flared tail is supposed to enhance accuracy by ensuring that the BCG is relatively centered in the channel as it pushes a new round into the chamber. In this way the new round will be pushed in more squarely..? I have seen a High Power gunsmith make a modification to the carrier tail to accomplish this, and he claims accuracy improvement with such a technique.

ETA: I literally signed up to ask this question. [:)]

[AaronP220]

Is there a followup to the accuracy improvement claims for the Lantac BCG's? I'm looking to build a high power rifle (20" rifle gas) and wouldn't mind using a fancy part if the claims are true...

As I understand it, the flared tail is supposed to enhance accuracy by ensuring that the BCG is relatively centered in the channel as it pushes a new round into the chamber. In this way the new round will be pushed in more squarely..? I have seen a High Power gunsmith make a modification to the carrier tail to accomplish this, and he claims accuracy improvement with such a technique.

ETA: I literally signed up to ask this question. [:)]

Proof Research found about a %23 accuracy increase just by using our BCG alone.

They have systems to accurately and reliably measure if the round is feeding off the right or the left side of the magazine. So, I can't really shine that shoe any more. LOL.

[AaronP220]

https://i.imgur.com/XAg5Ywc.jpg

[fledge]

Got a black one on order. Unfortunately they sent the NiB one by mistake which just arrived. I have an email out to the Lantac contact email about how to resolve that.

[Saladman]

Proof Research found about a %23 accuracy increase just by using our BCG alone.

They have systems to accurately and reliably measure if the round is feeding off the right or the left side of the magazine. So, I can't really shine that shoe any more. LOL.

23%? Is that a typo? [wow]

[AaronP220]

Got a black one on order. Unfortunately they sent the NiB one by mistake which just arrived. I have an email out to the Lantac contact email about how to resolve that.

Yes. That was a shipping mistake and she's been properly chewed for it. She's going to send you a label to return the NiB one with the black nitride E-BCG first thing Monday. We're extremely sorry about this.

[AaronP220]

23%? Is that a typo? [wow]

No. LOL

[alamo5000]

I really need and want some Lantac.

[Saladman]

Alright, well, it's officially on my list. One other question, are these BCG's going to work well with a 20" rifle-gas setup? It seems to me that this is marketed toward short barreled suppressed systems.

[AaronP220]

Alright, well, it's officially on my list. One other question, are these BCG's going to work well with a 20" rifle-gas setup? It seems to me that this is marketed toward short barreled suppressed systems.

Why would it not?

[WarEagle]

Will the black nitride be a regularly stocked item or will this be a one time run?

[Saladman]

If I recall correctly, when the LMT "enhanced" BCG was originally introduced, I believe they recommended not using it on longer barreled guns. I was simply wondering if you had a similar recommendation. It sounds like I'm good to go here. [:)]

[UWone77]

23%? Is that a typo? [wow]

Aaron you know I love my Lantac gear and buy plenty of stuff... but 23% WUT? LOL..... I'm not buying it.

[AaronP220]

Aaron you know I love my Lantac gear and buy plenty of stuff... but 23% WUT? LOL..... I'm not buying it.

I’ve been asked to clarify. Proof told us that is what they found with their shooter on their system over a milspec BCG. I apologize if I made it sound like that’s what you’ll see if you replace a JP or other really high quality carrier with ours. When going from a MilSpec BCG you will see an increase. That’s the increase Proof told the owner of the company at SHOT Show. They have the ability to measure extreme accuracy deviations - Hense my feeding comment. Not trying to mislead or make claims here. I can only relate what I’ve been told and in this case the owner informed us.

[Stone]

So at 100 yards if your shooting one inch groups with a milspec BCG and you switch to the Lantac your groups may go down to .77 Thats a difference but not insane. 23% sounds like alot until you do the math.

[Default.mp3]

I’ve been asked to clarify. Proof told us that is what they found with their shooter on their system over a milspec BCG. I apologize if I made it sound like that’s what you’ll see if you replace a JP or other really high quality carrier with ours. When going from a MilSpec BCG you will see an increase. That’s the increase Proof told the owner of the company at SHOT Show. They have the ability to measure extreme accuracy deviations - Hense my feeding comment. Not trying to mislead or make claims here. I can only relate what I’ve been told and in this case the owner informed us.Do we have a sample size for this claim, or is this n = 1?

[AaronP220]

Okay guys. Spoke with the owner about this whole thing because I don’t like misinformation, especially from my mouth.

Short and sweet is I messed up and mixed up data. The %23 wasn’t testing done by Proof Research or even on E-BCGs. Completely different product. Proof did say that there was an positive increase in accuracy when using the Lantac E-BCG over Mil-Spec. They did NOT specify a percentage of improvement.

Complete and total mistake on my part and I hope that it does not reflect negatively on Lantac or our products in your eyes. Completely my mistake and my apologies for being incorrect.

[AaronP220]

So at 100 yards if your shooting one inch groups with a milspec BCG and you switch to the Lantac your groups may go down to .77 Thats a difference but not insane. 23% sounds like alot until you do the math.



I have not personally done a MilSpec to BCG accuracy test. I’m not the best precision shooter and i wouldn’t do it any justice.

[Joelski]

No sweat and thanks for owning your error. I do that a lot and it has kept my feet on the ground and my integrity intact.

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[UWone77]

Not sure about the rest of you, but I saved 23% on my car insurance by switching to Geico.

[AaronP220]

FWIW - just confirmed Proof uses Lantac E-BCG almost exclusively in their AR-15 accuracy testing.

[Ordnance]

I had a quick conversation with Proof, and I'm not affiliated with Lantac beyond occasional conversations with Aaron. Per one of the guys that does the accuracy testing for Proof, they did notice in one particular example a large gain up to "as much" as what Aaron quoted earlier, but they also acknowledged in some instances there were no gains. In testing they observed "consistent improvement in consistency when shooting 10 and 20 shot groups." As Aaron just said, Proof now does all their AR15 accuracy tests with the Lantac EBCG. On AR10's, however, Proof still uses JP bolts, which in my opinion is likely due to the JP HP bolts still being one of the better solutions to the pressure issues with the 6s, 6.5s, and 260's on ARs. Proof also said on large frames, that to maximize the potential, it is in conjunction with enhanced buffer tubes from POF or Nemo.

[WarEagle]

Got mine in.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4526/38530275906_f60a557996_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4537/38531818896_ed66fa0018_b.jpg

[fledge]

Beautiful! I imagine these will be a hit.

[Stone]

Yeah now I am torn between the EXO and Nitride...

[AaronP220]

The Nitride carriers are extremely good looking.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

This is how a gas key is staked on a $285 Lantac?

https://i.imgur.com/BtkN7Fp.png

[AaronP220]

It’s staked per the milspec in a proper jig. What more do you want?

[ChattanoogaPhil]

It’s staked per the milspec in a proper jig. What more do you want?

Staking isn't just putting a dent into the gas key as appears to be the case in the pic on the right side, but to push material to the gas key screws to prevent from turning and working loose. That's the point of staking.

Look at the right side staking on the Lantac... why isn't it staked as the left side in your jig? Now the photo isn't the best but it certainly appears that there is a gap around the screw indicating that it isn't staked. Is that not the case?

https://i.imgur.com/BtkN7Fp.png

This is out of one of my rifles that happened to be out of the safe. I consider this staked.

https://i.imgur.com/FoWoA8j.jpg

[UWone77]

I blame M4C for making people lose their minds over staking. [:D]

[Joelski]

I blame M4C for making people lose their minds over staking. [:D]Strongly second that.

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[Stone]

What happened to the top of that carrier key. Looks like a beaver was gnawing on it...[pop]

[Joelski]

I blame M4C for making people lose their minds over staking. [:D]

I don't know that I could be that critical based on a photo that doesn't clearly tell the story, nor work I can hold in my hand. Yes, the other photo shows pretty staking, but based on who you talk to, that is too far the other direction, albeit a harmless one, wasted effort nonetheless.

Seriously, of the people going on and on about staking gas key bolts, maybe two speak from experience and share this opinion. One really has to wonder, with the volumes of people going on about staking, do they also safety wire every attachment per armorer recommendations? You don't see much of that going on and the purpose is a life safety issue. Tired of people standing on that rock when they don't or can't explain why something is done. Dogma is why.

[AaronP220]

Staking isn't just putting a dent into the gas key as appears to be the case in the pic on the right side, but to push material to the gas key screws to prevent from turning and working loose. That's the point of staking.

Granted our keys aren't staked as severely as the one you pictured - which I would consider to be far beyond what's required to keep a screw from backing out - they are staked and staked well. In the thousands of carriers we've sold over the years we've never had a customer come to us complaining that their gas key screws have backed out, at least not in the 2 + years i've been with the company. The screws do not required half of the gas key to be pushed into and over the screws to mechanically lock it.

The picture the other guy posted is a bit of an illusion. From the top pic the right hand side doesn't seem to be as severe as the left but from the bottom 3/4 view picture you can see that it is indeed pushing into the key screw.

Here are two randoms I pulled out of inventory. First pic from the left side on the Nitride the right doesn't look to be staked. But from the 2nd pic you can see that it's fine.

https://i.imgur.com/nHwfEFk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RYs2SVP.jpg

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Hey Arron, thanks for the answer and pics.

[Ordnance]

I blame M4C for making people lose their minds over staking. [:D]

[crazy]

[UWone77]

[crazy]

Yeah, you're definitely nuts... but we've known that for awhile.

[Ordnance]

Yeah, you're definitely nuts... but we've known that for awhile.

The only difference between nuts and eccentric is the level of success... wait... shit... yea, I'm nuts...