NEW AXTS Weapons Rifle

[GOST]

Not much data on this yet besides what they post on Facebook. They've got a rail in the works, and here is a pic of the BCG.

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10415548_771754966246426_3536838954601902542_n.jpg ?oh=2e4c0f91539a64d2d718f852238d9717&oe=54DC304C

https://www.facebook.com/AXTSWeapons

[toolboxluis00200]

i like ther logo

[Computalotapus]

They have a decent looking forged lower as well

http://axtsweapons.com/products/A-DAC-F

[GOST]

I don't know why they still have that lower on their site. That booger has not been made in a long time.

[Computalotapus]

I don't know why they still have that lower on their site. That booger has not been made in a long time.

That has been my luck lately

[GOST]

I wanted that lower for a long time. Rainier has a forged with the same features now.

[GOST]

Looks like this rifle will sport a Shilen .223 Wylde 1/8 twist barrel.

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[bzdog]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/08/a816c0fa1448cc3a25a1ac0851a309e8.jpg

[GOST]

eye noe, rite?!

Hehehe

[bzdog]

I wanted that lower for a long time. Rainier has a forged with the same features now.

Rainier licenses the ADAC from AXTS, so it't probably effectively the same thing. That said, I'll stick with the AXTS AX556 over the ADAC.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/08/f6ff181ae04880ba3375c0780844f991.jpg

AFAIK, the AX556 is still available. I'd like one more, but... just... need... moar money...

-john

[bzdog]

It's nice to see some new stuff in the pipeline from AXTS. AXTS, BAD and V7 are doing some great stuff these days.

Hopefully the AX762 will show up someday as well.

-john

[GOST]

The first complete AXTS rifle. Surprised it's not billet, but they're on the way.

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[Ordnance]

Here's my question... Why now? It seems like every accessory maker and their brother is jumping on the rifle building bandwagon during what will be a very slow time since the market has been saturated. I know AXTS did receivers already before, and their quality is great much like BAD, Phase 5, etc... but seriously. Everyone is now putting out a rifle. I would think they would rather capitalize on the accessory market which I think will be booming since a lot of people are sitting on stripped receivers. It just raises a concern for me that these companies are putting money and focus into a product market that is saturated when they already make a a product for an accessory market that isn't.

[GOST]

I personally will not be able to afford these, but there are those with money to burn. AXTS is probably considering that since their lowers sell out that these probably will to, they are currently out of stock. Most of AXTS's items are billet which can be made to order, these probably will to. UCWRG is another company that can sell higher priced items in this saturated market. Considering the size of the market that these rifles are aimed at, I doubt this is an item you will see in a shop. Not saying that this won't be a killer rifle but it'll be one of those items that is shown off at the range, due to it's rarity. Noveske recently sold stripped Gen 3 lowers at $325 and nobody has them in-stock.

[GOST]

The cool thing about these boutique rifles is that a lot of R&D goes into them. Sometimes there will be a very cool component to these rifles that may be either outsourced or everybody wants to copy. Noveske and KAC are two prime examples. There are many copies or variants of the KAC Triple Tap. Many precision AR-15's like Larue copied Noveske's barrel profile. And about everyone makes a QD endplate like Noveske's now.

[Gaspipeshooter]

Here's my question... Why now? It seems like every accessory maker and their brother is jumping on the rifle building bandwagon during what will be a very slow time since the market has been saturated.

You answered your own question...

[Ordnance]

I personally will not be able to afford these, but there are those with money to burn. AXTS is probably considering that since their lowers sell out that these probably will to, they are currently out of stock. Most of AXTS's items are billet which can be made to order, these probably will to. UCWRG is another company that can sell higher priced items in this saturated market. Considering the size of the market that these rifles are aimed at, I doubt this is an item you will see in a shop. Not saying that this won't be a killer rifle but it'll be one of those items that is shown off at the range, due to it's rarity. Noveske recently sold stripped Gen 3 lowers at $325 and nobody has them in-stock.

Just because a product is sold-out doesn't necessarily mean they're doing stellar. Initial product runs are usually smaller to gauge interest. Noveske stuff has been hard to find partially for other reasons which I won't go into here, but I'll leave it at the company isn't what it was when John was running it. As there are more and more companies coming to market with competing billet products I don't see the projected sales and if you look at the numbers for a lot of shops you'll see that they're not seeing it either. AXTS isn't in an exclusive market anymore since there are dozens of companies out there now doing high quality products with the same attributes. Christmas is not the time to look at in-stock product as a qualifier since some companies have been sitting on product that just recently sold-out during sales and with gift shopping.


You answered your own question...

Only complete rifle/gun sales are slow. Accessories sales are still fairly consistent as people build out the receivers they already have, so I don't see where I answered my own question in regards to full rifle builds.

[Ordnance]

And I do like AXTS I'm just concerned they're going the way of a few others and it could affect the company negatively. Hopefully I'm wrong...

[Gaspipeshooter]

Only complete rifle/gun sales are slow. Accessories sales are still fairly consistent as people build out the receivers they already have, so I don't see where I answered my own question in regards to full rifle builds.

Do you have sales data from multiple accessory manufacturers to prove your hypothesis? The reason I ask is I believe the whole market is slowing way down, some parts more than others, but the market in general is down. Prices are depressed to lower than pre-panic levels. Republicans will be in control of both Congress and the Senate, and the most recent poll I saw says that more people are in favor of 2nd Amendment rights than maybe ever? By building unique rifles, companies are creating a specialty piece that some folks will buy simply because no one else has it. Marketing 101: create demand with new models, limited editions, and new and/or different features.

[GOST]

Remember billet can be made to order, that gives them the freedom of not having to place big orders for components. With making billet components there less projecting what sales will be, they can make as little or as much as they want. Companies dealing with forged components have to project their sale more accurately and order an optimum number. Noveske went from forged to billet. It gave them better quality control since they are now made in house and allows them to fill orders as they fill the need. AXTS can only sell so many re-branded Raptors till nobody wants them anymore.

[Gaspipeshooter]

AXTS can only sell so many re-branded Raptors till nobody wants them anymore.

I never understood a company buying exactly the same component as everyone else just with their company's name or logo on it like that somehow changed it...

[Ordnance]

Do you have sales data from multiple accessory manufacturers to prove your hypothesis? The reason I ask is I believe the whole market is slowing way down, some parts more than others, but the market in general is down. Prices are depressed to lower than pre-panic levels. Republicans will be in control of both Congress and the Senate, and the most recent poll I saw says that more people are in favor of 2nd Amendment rights than maybe ever? By building unique rifles, companies are creating a specialty piece that some folks will buy simply because no one else has it. Marketing 101: create demand with new models, limited editions, and new and/or different features.

I do and you are to some extent correct, but there is a greater decline in complete AR and lower receiver sales than accessory sales. I also am looking at supply and demand and when there was an increased demand that resulted in some areas of sales that equated to 2-3 and as much as 4-5 years worth of sales for some companies in just stripped lower receivers. At some point the demand to finish those receivers will increase as well when people who stock piled choose to build them out or sell them. Then you have the further decline in sales of lowers and full builds when people purchase multiples either on the fear of legislation or banking on future fears and the same crazy prices that we witnessed the last time. I agree that with a change in guard that means less fear so people are less likely to feel the need to buy as a result. And they're not creating new niche markets with really any new features. Limited editions will only get you so far with collectors but banking on that market is difficult with already well established manufacturers like LaRue who has a major fan boy following that will throw money at something because it's got "Costa" on it somewhere. I also forsee the fall of Noveske and the rise of others. Maybe AXTS will capitalize on that. Like I said though, it's not that I'm not rooting for AXTS because I love their products, I just have concerns with everyone jumping into the same market.

[Ordnance]

I never understood a company buying exactly the same component as everyone else just with their company's name or logo on it like that somehow changed it...

Lol.. I can tell you exactly why... it saves money. Consumers have become Divas and they are more concerned with everything matching that who it's really made by. Branding is HUGE and Rainier Arm's has proved it. Almost nothing Rainier sells is made by them. It's all made by other vendors, but they make a fortune off people who want everything to match and have it say Rainier Arms on it. Hell, for the longest time if you asked people who the Raptor was made by they would say Rainier Arms, which I think is partially why AXTS took it away, but that part is purely speculation.

[Gaspipeshooter]

I do and you are to some extent correct, but there is a greater decline in complete AR and lower receiver sales than accessory sales. I also am looking at supply and demand and when there was an increased demand that resulted in some areas of sales that equated to 2-3 and as much as 4-5 years worth of sales for some companies in just stripped lower receivers. At some point the demand to finish those receivers will increase as well when people who stock piled choose to build them out or sell them. Then you have the further decline in sales of lowers and full builds when people purchase multiples either on the fear of legislation or banking on future fears and the same crazy prices that we witnessed the last time. I agree that with a change in guard that means less fear so people are less likely to feel the need to buy as a result. And they're not creating new niche markets with really any new features. Limited editions will only get you so far with collectors but banking on that market is difficult with already well established manufacturers like LaRue who has a major fan boy following that will throw money at something because it's got "Costa" on it somewhere. I also forsee the fall of Noveske and the rise of others. Maybe AXTS will capitalize on that. Like I said though, it's not that I'm not rooting for AXTS because I love their products, I just have concerns with everyone jumping into the same market.

My sales management background is not in ARs and components, but I can speak from personal experience about limited editions and so forth in another industry. I increased sales for a company 54% from one year to the next by simply introducing new colors, offering exclusive color combinations and limited editions for specific retailers, and the introduction of one new model. Just think if a company like BCM offered an exclusive Cerakote colored model or exclusive, available only from them, unique camo pattern. People would buy it just to to say they have something none of their buddies have. Just like LaRue with the "Costa". I think AxTS is simply going along with the "boutique" rifle trend. Now if all these "boutique" folks were "really smart" they would build rifles with proprietary parts you could not otherwise buy...

With respect to all the lowers floating around out there waiting to be built up, I'm sure a significant portion of them were purchased at premium pricing, and therefore the owners will most certainly take a loss if they ever go to sell, unless we are stricken with another panic. I lived through the "Assault Rifle Ban" of 1994, so what is happening now was a certainty I saw coming for a long time.

[GOST]

The market has changed a lot in the last couple of years. Colt 6920 Magpul editions used to go for about $1200, now they can be had for under $900 all day long. I personally think the reason the consumer is buying the more boutique products is because of 2 things. One is that the consumer already has that rifle and now wants another but not exactly the same. Two is advertising, you now see a lot of pretty pictures we all call gun porn. Does the boutique rifles shoot enough better that they're worth twice the current price of a Colt 6920? The reason there are all these different manufacturers making boutique rifles is because we buy them.

[GOST]

Their billet upper in the white.

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[GOST]

A NiB coated Raptor in this pic.

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[GOST]

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[GOST]

More new pics of their MI-T556.

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[Gaspipeshooter]

That's a good lookin' rifle...

[UWone77]

Hell, for the longest time if you asked people who the Raptor was made by they would say Rainier Arms, which I think is partially why AXTS took it away, but that part is purely speculation.

That's not even remotely how it happened. If you don't know, please don't spread misinformation, since afterall, it is speculation as you put it.

[jymbeux]

Nice looking rifle. I dig the lines on the lower a lot. The pmag pattern on the Magwell was a good move (as long as you like pmags anyhow).

[Ordnance]

That's not even remotely how it happened. If you don't know, please don't spread misinformation, since afterall, it is speculation as you put it.

I did say it was speculation. Most people though did think the Raptor was a RA product since they did a very good job with their branding which was my point that was omitted from the quote.

[UWone77]

I did say it was speculation. Most people though did think the Raptor was a RA product since they did a very good job with their branding which was my point that was omitted from the quote.

Again you don't know the back story.

RA actually has 2 full time designers, and employ 8 machinists, on their own machines. Just because you don't see the CNC machines at the location, doesn't mean they don't do it off site.

[GOST]

AXTS SBR

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10301176_801011936654062_7233328339882725635_n.jpg ?oh=8fb5bf0a42c69024b2f29ee7f8234d8f&oe=552C1CD6

[bzdog]

Their full rifles are using their AX556 lower, right?

-john

[rob_s]

Their full rifles are using their AX556 lower, right?

-john

From the pictures it looks like the A-DAC, not the AX556. The A-DAC is the billet lower with fully ambi controls. The AX556 is the forge lower with only the bolt-hold-mag -button mod. No ambi dropping of the bolt, no ambi mag release.

[tb417]

Rob I think you are backwards on that
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/06/34dfaac59d107854aec11463c214dc67.jpg

[bzdog]

Right. AX556 is billet with full ambi, bolt hold.

[GOST]

Here's the BCG they're using, looks like black nitride has replaced NiB as the new popular trend.

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[Dstrbdmedic167]

Here's the BCG they're using, looks like black nitride has replaced NiB as the new popular trend.

Funny you say that. My ST Croix Tactical NIB carrier had some discoloration and they offered to replace it with another NiB or anything I wanted. Since I couldn't spring $250 for the Ti version, so I went this the black nitrate one lol.

[DutyUse]

Here's the BCG they're using, looks like black nitride has replaced NiB as the new popular trend.

https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-0/10888372_803434873078435_5828421199058902584_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=d30e4328fdc51fefdd91e061c0dcf49c&oe=553F4676&__gda__=1433358762_1a9e14e2e9620a9c7c346d16a303c28 7

Having never had a NiB BCG in the collection I can't compare, but by far the nicest BCG i've ever used, Hell even felt is the Fathom. Not just saying that because I own it either, when I oil it the next day theres a puddle underneath…its so slick. IMHO I think this is the coating of the future… hell it's been proven with Glocks for 2 decades now. It's tough, durable, and when you get the process down fairly cost effective.

That said, on my WEVO/RA build I'm going with This NiB BCG (http://www.rainierarms.com/rainier-arms-precision-match-grade-nickel-boron-bcg). So I'll be able to give a more educated first hand testament between the three coatings.

[tact]

There's also microslick...

[GOST]

Looks like NiB Raptors are coming.

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[DutyUse]

Looks like NiB Raptors are coming.

https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-0/1507766_804397396315516_8881138428727269563_n.jpg? efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=32266000bf6d43bdbf01af3dfeecb780&oe=55300244&__gda__=1428539706_4d3f3941e225c5b02de01ccc27f6ef9 8

Thats pretty cool, I wonder if this coating, or the one used by fortis will prevent that use marks that develop on CH's after you've used them a lot. My OCD goes crazy when I see my 80$ CH with all it's coating worn off.

[GOST]

Thats pretty cool, I wonder if this coating, or the one used by fortis will prevent that use marks that develop on CH's after you've used them a lot. My OCD goes crazy when I see my 80$ CH with all it's coating worn off.

The Fortis Hammer has a nickelene finish, this one appears to be NiB coated. This one isn't $80 either, it's $119.95. And I was wrong,,they are already available for purchase.

[DutyUse]

The Fortis Hammer has a nickelene finish, this one appears to be NiB coated. This one isn't $80 either, it's $119.95. And I was wrong,,they are already available for purchase.

WOW. I thought my fortis, and noveske raptor were expensive... Jeez

Edit: Will any of these coatings stop this kinda wear though? http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/be61c2a50a08982dea46ed26be8f36ad.jpg

[GOST]

WOW. I thought my fortis, and noveske raptor were expensive... Jeez

Edit: Will any of these coatings stop this kinda wear though? http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/be61c2a50a08982dea46ed26be8f36ad.jpg

It's definitely to expensive for me. As far as the wear goes the coatings may help, but I like the worn look.

[DutyUse]

It's definitely to expensive for me. As far as the wear goes the coatings may help, but I like the worn look.

On a bcm or mil spec sure I dig the used look too. But I drop 80 bones on a raptor or such I don't want it looking like I took sandpaper to it after 3-4 outings. Erks me for some reason

[rob_s]

WOW. I thought my fortis, and noveske raptor were expensive... Jeez

Edit: Will any of these coatings stop this kinda wear though? http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/be61c2a50a08982dea46ed26be8f36ad.jpg

Is that wear hurting anything? Does the CH still function in the gun?

[DutyUse]

Is that wear hurting anything? Does the CH still function in the gun?

No. Yes it works fine. I know it shouldn't matter what it looks like...

[rob_s]

No. Yes it works fine. I know it shouldn't matter what it looks like...

I was curious because there seems to be a common theme going on with a lot of these various whale-jizz wonder-coatings which seems to revolve mostly around how the part looks and how easy the part is to clean, neither of which have been a concern of mine in quite some time.

[DutyUse]

I was curious because there seems to be a common theme going on with a lot of these various whale-jizz wonder-coatings which seems to revolve mostly around how the part looks and how easy the part is to clean, neither of which have been a concern of mine in quite some time.

You sir speak truth. Sometimes this forum gets my perspective off... When I get home I just need to dirty some guns up :D

[Gaspipeshooter]

I was curious because there seems to be a common theme going on with a lot of these various whale-jizz wonder-coatings which seems to revolve mostly around how the part looks and how easy the part is to clean, neither of which have been a concern of mine in quite some time.

See, the thing is, there are folks out there for whom ease of cleaning and appearance are concerns. Functional or not, some people just like their stuff to stay nice. Many folks are not into the beat up, #BATTLEWORN look just because when someone else sees their gun that other person thinks they must be some badazz operator-type because they beat their gun up and don't clean it.

[rob_s]

See, the thing is, there are folks out there for whom ease of cleaning and appearance are concerns. Functional or not, some people just like their stuff to stay nice. Many folks are not into the beat up, #BATTLEWORN look just because when someone else sees their gun that other person thinks they must be some badazz operator-type because they beat their gun up and don't clean it.

Right, because the reason I don't clean my guns with a dental pick and don't care if the CH finish is worn off is because I'm trying to pretend to be an "operator". I just simply don't give a damn what it looks like as long as it (a) keeps working and (b) doesn't rquire a bunch of my time maintaining it.

These various jizz coatings are largely a product of the because:internet-picture segment of the AR market, and for the shooter aren't much more than transfer devices designed to transfer money from your pocket into someone elese's. On that front, they are clearly wildly successful.

That CH that DutyUse posted is obviously well-worn, and by his own admission continues to function. Therefore the only reason to spend more for a whale-jizzed part is because:look-pretty. if that's a thing, motor on. The Whale-jizz salesman has to feed his kids too.

[Gaspipeshooter]

Right, because the reason I don't clean my guns with a dental pick and don't care if the CH finish is worn off is because I'm trying to pretend to be an "operator". I just simply don't give a damn what it looks like as long as it (a) keeps working and (b) doesn't rquire a bunch of my time maintaining it.

These various jizz coatings are largely a product of the because:internet-picture segment of the AR market, and for the shooter aren't much more than transfer devices designed to transfer money from your pocket into someone elese's. On that front, they are clearly wildly successful.

That CH that DutyUse posted is obviously well-worn, and by his own admission continues to function. Therefore the only reason to spend more for a whale-jizzed part is because:look-pretty. if that's a thing, motor on. The Whale-jizz salesman has to feed his kids too.

I think anyone who has been a member here for more than about 20 minutes is acutely aware that you don't feel the need to detail clean your guns, nor do you care how they look. The big question though is why is anything you don't use or feel the need to utilize automatically "whale-jizz", and why do you feel the burning desire to make everyone feel like an azz and that they've gotten one pulled over on them by the "whale-jizz salesman" for buying better than basic mil-spec phosphate-coated parts?

[DutyUse]

I think we all just need to say whale jizz ATLEAST once a day. Bare minimum.

Because what's a day worth if your not talking about whale jizz

[titanse05]

AXTS Instagram page is saying the first 100 at their shot show booth can preorder or sign up to get the MI-556 carbine for $2895. Cha-ching!

[UWone77]

AXTS Instagram page is saying the first 100 at their shot show booth can preorder or sign up to get the MI-556 carbine for $2895. Cha-ching!

I think I'll just take a SR15 and a 6920 instead for the same money.

Some manufacturers must think that it's still 2012. [:D]

[titanse05]

I think I'll just take a SR15 and a 6920 instead for the same money.

Some manufacturers must think that it's still 2012. [:D]Yeah me too. I have an AX556 and am a fan but would never pay that much for one rifle.

Also, they have said they will offer complete uppers for current AX556 owners but I won't be taking them up on that. Probably cost $1500 for just the upper. Retarded pricing.....