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GOST
20 January 2015, 13:58
https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/10917910_1007196472630391_5492260810063285932_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
This is the new Mega Arms WEDGE LOCK handguard!
Cutting edge new design Ultra strong and lightweight. Simple one screw fastening system.
Made from 7075 extruded aluminum
Titanium barrel nut
Black Nitrided wedge system
Compatible with any Mil-Spec upper.
Includes handguard and comes with wedge system, titanium barrel nut, assembly tools, one M-LOK or KeyMod rail.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10857139_1007196575963714_7555051908765793945_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
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http://megaarms.com
GOST
20 January 2015, 14:02
Looks like this may have been designed with Hodge Defense. Looks like the rail on the AU Mod2.
GOST
20 January 2015, 17:50
Mega has confirmed that they are making the rail for the AU Mod2.
SINNER
20 January 2015, 18:24
I really like the looks of that.
Gaspipeshooter
20 January 2015, 18:31
That would look good on one of my Mega Billet sets...
UWone77
20 January 2015, 20:03
That would look good on one of my Mega Billet sets...
Yep, nice to finally get some Mega handguards without having to buy a full MKM or Megalithic Set.
Gaspipeshooter
20 January 2015, 20:20
Yep, nice to finally get some Mega handguards without having to buy a full MKM or Megalithic Set.
Well, since I have those two Mega billet sets gathering dust and cobwebs on the shelf, I'm particularly excited about a Mega handguard I can put on those billet upper(s).
JGifford
21 January 2015, 00:28
That would look good on one of my Mega Billet sets...
It will go even better on mod 2 hodge defense sets...
GOST
21 January 2015, 05:44
Expected to ship in March.
mustangfreek
22 January 2015, 01:52
Expected to ship in March.
Maybe i missed it, anyone catch a price or anything on these yet or lengths?
GOST
22 January 2015, 02:05
I've not seen a price for it yet, but the lengths have been reported to be consistent with their 4 current sizes of the MKM.
GOST
22 January 2015, 19:21
The Wedge Lock handguards will be available in carbine (7-inch), midlength (9-inch), rifle (12-inch), extended (14-inch) and mega-extended (15.5-inch) lengths for $249, $272, $295, $326 and $357, respectively.
n4p226r
22 January 2015, 19:37
everything mega puts out looks like it is machined flawlessly
GOST
22 January 2015, 19:40
Those prices are not that bad considering it's 7075 with a titanium barrel nut.
UWone77
22 January 2015, 19:40
9" with their new 10.5" barrel....
Slippers
22 January 2015, 22:31
Handled these today. They are awesome. Also very slim, like a centurion cmr. Another nice touch is a single 45 degree mlok slot at the front on each side.
GOST
26 January 2015, 17:35
Pic from MEGA's Facebook page.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10845840_1010631518953553_7657403077142357598_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
Musashi
26 January 2015, 20:07
Oh boy, how long have I wished for a superlightweight ar10 rail.
nCarnage
28 January 2015, 17:00
and I see the ridiculous length. Now I must know, what is the inner diameter? Cause this could be the winner for my build if it's 1.5". Most likely not though.
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mustangfreek
28 January 2015, 18:06
Off of Megas facebook page
What length hand guards are we planning to offer the Wedge lock hand guard in and what will they cost? Glad you asked!
5 lenghts planned:
Carbine = 7 inches, $249 (all prices are MSRP)
Mid length = 9 inches, $272
Rifle length = 12 inches, $295
Extended Rifle lenght = 14 inches, $326
Mega Extended = 16 inches, 357
XACT_ABORT
28 January 2015, 19:02
Yep, nice to finally get some Mega handguards without having to buy a full MKM or Megalithic Set.
Agreed, my response as well to a poll they posted a while back about what they should be building or some such... Handguards to pair with forged receivers. I'll most likely pick one up, looks sweet.
GOST
29 January 2015, 16:15
and I see the ridiculous length. Now I must know, what is the inner diameter? Cause this could be the winner for my build if it's 1.5". Most likely not though.
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Inside diameter of the wedge lock is 1.225". Here's a pic of it beside a MKM which is 1.60". Pic is from MEGA's Facebook page.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t31.0-8/1501255_1012074265475945_7196368353673639445_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
mustangfreek
29 January 2015, 16:21
Damn that is skinny
Guess no guys with cans will be running just the rail..
nCarnage
29 January 2015, 16:36
Nooooooooooo. Well back to the drawing bored. Was so praying too.
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JGifford
29 January 2015, 23:59
It was not designed for users who want to run cans inside the rail. Everything about the rifle it was designed for is geared toward "hard" use.
mustangfreek
30 January 2015, 03:13
It was not designed for users who want to run cans inside the rail. Everything about the rifle it was designed for is geared toward "hard" use.
Maybe it was, i was simply saying with the skinny inner diameter, no commercial cans i know of will fit in there, also looks like they KX's wont fit in there..
Just an observation was all, it does look thicker then the MKM..
GOST
30 January 2015, 04:26
With an inner diameter of 1.225" a lot of gas blocks may not fit. The thinner these rails get it makes me think of the old Burger King commercial.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xu_bE7g2wqM/hqdefault.jpg
JGifford
30 January 2015, 09:22
With an inner diameter of 1.225" a lot of gas blocks may not fit. The thinner these rails get it makes me think of the old Burger King commercial.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xu_bE7g2wqM/hqdefault.jpg
To insure that the gas-block fits properly, use a Daniel Defense Lo-Pro gas-block. This is proven to work fine. There are others, I'm sure, but I know the DD block is G2G, even with barrel whip/flex/etc.
https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11038571_1039946286022076_5780788358410764425_o.jp g?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9
WarEagle
15 March 2015, 19:50
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Nice.
Cant wait for these to come out? Any update on a date?
They're saying very soon.
Trapezoid
30 March 2015, 21:06
According to their facebook it is now scheduled for early summer, instead of April like originally stated. Weapon Outfitters and Primary Arms already have them listed. Mega posts pictures and snippets about it on their facebook almost every day. I can't handle the teasing! Arrg!
UWone77
30 March 2015, 21:14
According to their facebook it is now scheduled for early summer, instead of April like originally stated. Weapon Outfitters and Primary Arms already have them listed. Mega posts pictures and snippets about it on their facebook almost every day. I can't handle the teasing! Arrg!
Well... as with anything firearms related, you know one thing is for certain. Release dates are always pushed back!
SINNER
8 April 2015, 08:24
Any updates on these?
UWone77
8 April 2015, 08:27
Any updates on these?
Still a summer release, last I heard.
AaronP220
22 April 2015, 13:12
I'll have one in about 3 weeks and give an update and pics.
MEGA has announced that these will be released in the first 2 weeks of May.
Trapezoid
3 May 2015, 16:10
Are there any sites with the option to put in a pre-order, or is it just going to be a mad dash to snatch one of these up from a distributor the moment they come in stock?
Are there any sites with the option to put in a pre-order, or is it just going to be a mad dash to snatch one of these up from a distributor the moment they come in stock?
I don't think they'll be a mad rush. Mega has been pretty good about releasing enough product as of late. Also the higher price point of this handguard will naturally reduce the number of people considering this handguard.
I want to see what a 12.5" barrel looks like under a rifle length Wedge Lock.
I'm waiting on edge for the 16". Actually haven't made my most recent Rainier order just so I can add this to it. 2 LDFA's left though so my hand may be forced.
JGifford
4 May 2015, 04:39
I want to see what a 12.5" barrel looks like under a rifle length Wedge Lock.
An exploded rail.
An exploded rail.
Explain, MEGA is listing the rifle length at 12".
http://megaarms.com/ar-15/ar-15-hand-guards/wedge-lock-ar-15-hand-guard/
That should only have 0.1" of muzzle device not exposed. Here's a pic from 2A Armament of their 12" Lite Rail and a 12.5" barrel.
http://www.2a-arms.com/sites/default/files/IMG_4698-1_0.JPG
All depends on how they measure the rail and the length of the threads for the muzzle device. With a 14" SMOS rail a14.5" DD barrel puts the muzzle device 1/4" inside the barrel but a Rainier Arms 14.5" Ultra match the shoulder for the muzzle threads is almost flush with the end. The DD is threaded that much further down the blank.
Exploded rail no but warm hands with a far forward grip is a possibility. Lol
How much barrel left over at the end varies. I find that normally, you need to go 1" shorter on the rail than the barrel if you want the end of the barrel to almost line up with the start of the threads.
JGifford
4 May 2015, 22:17
Explain, MEGA is listing the rifle length at 12".
http://megaarms.com/ar-15/ar-15-hand-guards/wedge-lock-ar-15-hand-guard/
That should only have 0.1" of muzzle device not exposed. Here's a pic from 2A Armament of their 12" Lite Rail and a 12.5" barrel.
http://www.2a-arms.com/sites/default/files/IMG_4698-1_0.JPG
Daniel defense calls their ddm4 12.55" rail 12". Jim Hodges spec for the rail is 13.58". That is what I based my answer on. Make sure the Mega branded rails are listing actual length before you order.
Daniel defense calls their ddm4 12.55" rail 12". Jim Hodges spec for the rail is 13.58". That is what I based my answer on. Make sure the Mega branded rails are listing actual length before you order.
The pictured 2A 12" Lite Rail's actual length is 11.88". These are the lengths and prices for the Wedge Lock from MEGA's site:
WLH-250 - CARBINE LENGTH HANDGUARD, , 7 Inches, BLACK HARD ANO. MSRP $249
WLH-350 - MID LENGTH, HANDGUARD, 9 Inches, BLACK HARD ANO. $272
WLH-450 - RIFLE LENGTH, HANDGUARD, 12 Inchs, BLACK HARD ANO. $295
WLH-550 - EXTENDED RIFLE LENGTH HANDGUARD, 14 Inches, BLACK HARD ANO. $326
WLH-650 - MEGA EXTENDED LENGTH HANDGUARD, 16 Inches, BLACK HARD ANO. $357
MEGA has said these are actual lengths. Maybe the Hodge AU-MOD 2 is using the extended rifle length.
Would not surprise me one bit if the Hodge rail is a custom length for their weapon.
JGifford
5 May 2015, 18:57
Would not surprise me one bit if the Hodge rail is a custom length for their weapon.
The HDSI rail is indeed custom. I just didn't know how much MEGA copied it on their branded rails.
FYI, here is a 14.5" HDSI with their 13.58" rail, just as a datapoint:
https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11187830_606584796044651_555603786991574143_o.jpg
The HDSI rail is indeed custom. I just didn't know how much MEGA copied it on their branded rails.
FYI, here is a 14.5" HDSI with their 13.58" rail, just as a datapoint:
https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11187830_606584796044651_555603786991574143_o.jpg
That's super beautiful. Can't wait for the 16".
Really interested to know the weights though....
JGifford
5 May 2015, 20:46
That's super beautiful. Can't wait for the 16".
Really interested to know the weights though....
Just a shade under 6.5# for the 16", around 6.25# for the 14.5". The barrels are a real thing of beauty. Hammer forged, taper profile, 9310H Modified steel with flake chrome lining, roughly identical weight to .gov profile.
Pushes the CG back toward the receiver, and enhances rigidity and the ability of the barrel to take high volume fire/heat. Should make for quicker transitions, and offset the weight/balance up front of a WML/Suppressor.
The HDSI rail is indeed custom. I just didn't know how much MEGA copied it on their branded rails.
FYI, here is a 14.5" HDSI with their 13.58" rail, just as a datapoint:
https://scontent-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/11187830_606584796044651_555603786991574143_o.jpg
Good looking rifle, interesting configuration of the S&S Scout setup.
Just a shade under 6.5# for the 16", around 6.25# for the 14.5". The barrels are a real thing of beauty. Hammer forged, taper profile, 9310H Modified steel with flake chrome lining, roughly identical weight to .gov profile.
Pushes the CG back toward the receiver, and enhances rigidity and the ability of the barrel to take high volume fire/heat. Should make for quicker transitions, and offset the weight/balance up front of a WML/Suppressor.
That DOES sound nice. I really like the taper profiled barrel I have and others I've handled. Never heard the term flake chrome though. I like the flavor of the Hodge website, but it's not terribly helpful.
At this point though I'm just looking at the forend. That's the weight I was more interested in.
Now in-stock at Rainier Arms.
http://www.rainierarms.com/mega-ar-15-wedge-lock-mega-extended-length-m-lok-hand-guard
SINNER
5 August 2015, 06:52
Looks like they only have the 16" at this time?
That's the only length I saw also.
UWone77
5 August 2015, 08:22
Instead of a 9, I wish that they would do a 10"
SINNER
5 August 2015, 08:58
I just purchased a new lathe, well new to me. Custom barrel lengths will be awesome.
Trapezoid
18 August 2015, 16:32
12", 14", and 16" now in stock at Primary Arms!
GOST
20 August 2015, 08:11
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/11181183_1140525305964173_100578748160761463_n.jpg ?oh=25ce6f56b853caae0b0afcdca8675ccc&oe=566D828E
Shorter lengths of the Wedge Lock hand guard have started shipping. WHL-550 (14") and WHL-450 (12") have left the building. Expect to have WHL-350 (9") and WHL-250s (7") shipping some time next week.
GOST
7 December 2015, 11:59
http://pull01-rainier.netdna-ssl.com/media/product/99f/mega-ar-15-wedge-lock-rail-keymod-hand-guard-whl-km-by-mega-arms-09c.jpg
New Keymod version now available at Rainier Arms.
http://www.rainierarms.com/mega-ar-15-wedge-lock-rail-keymod-hand-guard
din
7 December 2015, 17:26
About damn time.
Default.mp3
11 January 2016, 08:25
I don't suppose anyone's had a chance to see if a MicroMOA Govnah would fit under there? I talked to Robert, and he said it should; same story with Mega. Still, I'd like final confirmation.
jdhill
19 July 2016, 17:41
Carbine lengths starting to hit the street...
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8216/28343941346_860ec4b55f_z.jpg
old11bravo
24 July 2016, 19:38
18" Mega Billet Upper/Ambi Lower Combo w/16" Wedge Lock Rail M-Lok Handguard
Lower
Mega Arms Billet Ambidextrous Lower Receiver
Mega Arms Rubber Molded Hogue Pistol Grip
Mega Arms Tactical Adjustable Single Stage Trigger
Mega Arms Ambidextrous Bolt Release
Troy Ambidextrous Magazine Release
AXTS Talon Ambidextrous Safety
Strike Industries Lower Parts Kit
Standard A1/A2 Rifle Buffer Tube, Buffer and Spring
Magpul PRS Precision Rifle Stock AR15/M16
Upper
Mega Arms Billet Upper Receiver
Mega Arms Slide Lock Ambidextrous Charging Handle
AXTS Titanium Forward Assist Assembly
Mega Arms 556/223 18 Barrel
Mega Arms AR-15 Wedge Lock Rail M-Lok Handguard 16
Emtan Karmiel Folding Sight Combo
Precision Armament M11 Severe Duty SPR Muzzle Brake 556/223
Noveske Low Profile Gas Block
Fail Zero Nickel Boron Bolt Carrier Group
Additional Equipment
GG&G Quick Detach Standard XDS Bipod
Badger Ordnance 30mm Cantilever Unimount
U.S. Optics MR10 1.8-10x
http://i67.tinypic.com/8yicn4.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/14j4xaw.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/2aifz0i.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/2zedkl3.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/2n6bvr9.jpg
UWone77
24 July 2016, 20:44
All I saw was the optic... was there even a Wedgelock in the photo?
mustangfreek
26 July 2016, 03:12
All I saw was the optic... was there even a Wedgelock in the photo?
Lol I know huh....I was looking it over then the scope...damn....very nice rig there..
Curious what's it weigh ?
jdhill
27 July 2016, 20:15
Another shot of mine....
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8836/28313714210_89b936da13_b.jpg
UWone77
27 July 2016, 21:41
Another shot of mine....
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8836/28313714210_38bd8e68ac_b.jpg
What's the verdict on the stock? I ended up buying one of those new XProducts PDW Stocks. Seems like it's hard to keep up with everyone that's coming out with one lately.
JGifford
28 July 2016, 06:10
Having assembled several rifles with Wedgelocks, I must say, I love the things! The engineering and execution is awesome.
jdhill
28 July 2016, 07:49
What's the verdict on the stock? I ended up buying one of those new XProducts PDW Stocks. Seems like it's hard to keep up with everyone that's coming out with one lately.
Need to get it out to the range, but in getting familiar with it I like it... For this size weapon... I was concerned about cheek weld, but if you are ok with NTCH, it is fine.
old11bravo
31 July 2016, 21:11
Lol I know huh....I was looking it over then the scope...damn....very nice rig there..
Curious what's it weigh ?
Finally got around to weighing it Jason. It is 12.2 pounds with the optics/mount, bipod and 20 round mag. Not for the feint of heart I suppose but it suits me fine as a DMR rifle. Never intended as a patrol rifle. Every control on it is completely ambidextrous and it is an extremely accurate 556/223 shooter.
mustangfreek
2 August 2016, 03:47
Damn that is pretty heavy, I'm sure that scope adds a good little chunk, but if just bench/prone shooting it's probably fine..a little heavier then I found of guessed..again nice rig, and matches that nice 308 mega build you have..thumbs up!!
JGifford
2 August 2016, 22:38
Damn that is pretty heavy, I'm sure that scope adds a good little chunk, but if just bench/prone shooting it's probably fine..a little heavier then I found of guessed..again nice rig, and matches that nice 308 mega build you have..thumbs up!!
My carbine fully decked out is 11.6#. Ran a VTAC Nightfighter course with it. That said, I was using a Comp M4/Bobro, and that 11.6# is with a NF 1-4 and mil-spec NF Unimount (total about 8oz more than the Comp M4 setup or so)
Goohead
15 September 2016, 21:48
I'm a huge Mega arms fan, after using several billet receiver sets I believe their machining is unmatched in tolerance between the pieces. I picked up 2 of these for projects and have been disappointed in a few items:
1 handguard Interior dimensions are already very tight, on the top section interior where the gas block would sit there are machined slots that protrude out a few tenth of an inch that makes anything but the smallest gas blocks unattachable due to hitting the top part. I was going to use a superlative arms piston kit and it's a no go.
The alignment pin to the top of the receiver did not align with 2 billet uppers i have one San tan tactical one fortis. Do not know if this piece is only for the mega uppers? Alignment is off by a hundredth of an inch.
Instructions says the use of this pin is not necessary but I would have preferred to use it.
Other than these issues the rail is top notch, just wish i could use a piston system like I originally intended to, which sucks
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JGifford
16 September 2016, 01:21
I'm a huge Mega arms fan, after using several billet receiver sets I believe their machining is unmatched in tolerance between the pieces. I picked up 2 of these for projects and have been disappointed in a few items:
1 handguard Interior dimensions are already very tight, on the top section interior where the gas block would sit there are machined slots that protrude out a few tenth of an inch that makes anything but the smallest gas blocks unattachable due to hitting the top part. I was going to use a superlative arms piston kit and it's a no go.
The alignment pin to the top of the receiver did not align with 2 billet uppers i have one San tan tactical one fortis. Do not know if this piece is only for the mega uppers? Alignment is off by a hundredth of an inch.
Instructions says the use of this pin is not necessary but I would have preferred to use it.
Other than these issues the rail is top notch, just wish i could use a piston system like I originally intended to, which sucks
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I cannot help re: Alignment, but for the gas-block, I recommend the SLR Hodge Defense Gas Block which was designed at the same time the rail was, specifically for the rail. The other option is the Daniel Defense Lo Pro, but the SLR is a better fit.
GOST
16 September 2016, 04:23
Goohead there may not be a piston kit that will fit a Wedge lock. The Adams Arms XLP(xtra low profile) is the smallest I've seen, but I do not know if it's smaller than the one from Superlative Arms. You may be able to contact Adams Arms for dimensions of the XLP kit.
SINNER
16 September 2016, 06:16
I'm a huge Mega arms fan, after using several billet receiver sets I believe their machining is unmatched in tolerance between the pieces. I picked up 2 of these for projects and have been disappointed in a few items:
1 handguard Interior dimensions are already very tight, on the top section interior where the gas block would sit there are machined slots that protrude out a few tenth of an inch that makes anything but the smallest gas blocks unattachable due to hitting the top part. I was going to use a superlative arms piston kit and it's a no go.
The alignment pin to the top of the receiver did not align with 2 billet uppers i have one San tan tactical one fortis. Do not know if this piece is only for the mega uppers? Alignment is off by a hundredth of an inch.
Instructions says the use of this pin is not necessary but I would have preferred to use it.
Other than these issues the rail is top notch, just wish i could use a piston system like I originally intended to, which sucks
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Unfortunately there is no set standard for the alignment pin. I have found that more often than not fore ends and uppers from different manufacturers don't play well together as far as that pin goes. If you have access to a mill I have cut a slot using the existing hole in the upper. Manufacturers should do that already as a slot works just as well to stop rotation and eliminates the inconsistent location.
Default.mp3
22 October 2016, 14:05
Some information about the WedgeLock and gas block compatibility: http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?189879-MEGA-ARMS-Hodge-Defense-Systems-Wedge-Lock-rail-gas-block-and-MLOK-compatibility
Stone
23 October 2016, 13:28
old11bravo, are those Mega arms rail covers on your rifle? Where did you get them?
Default.mp3
23 October 2016, 14:58
old11bravo, are those Mega arms rail covers on your rifle? Where did you get them?
http://ergogrips.net/shop/m-lok-wedgelok-slot-cover-grip-4-pack/
Stone
23 October 2016, 15:54
http://ergogrips.net/shop/m-lok-wedgelok-slot-cover-grip-4-pack/
Thanks![:)]
old11bravo
23 October 2016, 17:03
Thanks![:)]
Default nailed it! The "M" on the covers is the M-Lok logo. They are nice soft rubbery, grippy covers though!!
JGifford
25 October 2016, 01:03
FYI the only 2 scout light mounts that work well are mlok polymer and Kinetic qd.
*arisaka, MI, kac are no-go for fit, and the aluminum magpul only allows about 2 threads worth of engagement due to the interface standing off from the 1913 sections.
JGifford
25 October 2016, 01:04
Thanks![:)]
When I used to fight full contact I noticed that it took a LOT of skill to make up an aggression gap, so long as the aggressor did not run out of gas.
Well hell...that was your sig I responded to. Mobilfail.
Slippers
25 October 2016, 05:57
FYI the only 2 scout light mounts that work well are mlok polymer and Kinetic qd.
*arisaka, MI, kac are no-go for fit, and the aluminum magpul only allows about 2 threads worth of engagement due to the interface standing off from the 1913 sections.
Really? Roy from Weapon Outfitters has been using our Offset Scout mount on the Mega wedge lock ever since they were released. A few of his images:
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14499104_133905690404919_6287345011923091456_n.jpg
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14276564_771457696327750_1667673161_n.jpg
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13422945_487253241471237_1975250042_n.jpg
UWone77
25 October 2016, 06:27
I thought Roy held his accessories on with super glue and a small wad of bubble gum. [:D]
JGifford
25 October 2016, 06:44
Really? Roy from Weapon Outfitters has been using our Offset Scout mount on the Mega wedge lock ever since they were released. A few of his images:
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14499104_133905690404919_6287345011923091456_n.jpg
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14276564_771457696327750_1667673161_n.jpg
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13422945_487253241471237_1975250042_n.jpg
Either a production run change occurred with the rail (Roy got his rail pretty darn early, and I am unsure if any changes occurred since) or with the Arisaka mount (you would know, and probably have said something before hand), or Roy does not have any qualms about the binding that occurs between the Arisaka and the rail on what SHOULD be NON-interface surfaces.
Yes, it will technically work, no, it does not meet my standard for what an interface should be at this juncture.
Here is a photo that should explain:
http://i68.tinypic.com/ivjz8p.jpg
The MI and KAC looked similar to the above, more or less. The Magpul Polymer section is a thing of beauty.
So guess who has an Arisaka, KAC, MI, MLOK scounts for sale, all new and "un-used"... :P
The MP Polymer mount cannot be mounted next to the BUIS, or it will VERY VERY SLIGHTLY POSSIBLY interfere with the screw/bolt, depending on the BUIS. However, I really like how mine is positioned in the below photos, and there is no interference that should not exist. To boot, it's also lighter than any of the other mounts per my hand's guestimation abilities (The difference is +- 1/2 an ounce in favor of the MP, depending on the mount), lol
http://i63.tinypic.com/29em4gp.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/244xqnn.jpg
Slippers
25 October 2016, 06:50
I suspect the Hodge is different. Too bad they didn't simply put two m-lok slots on the 45 degree angles like the Mega has.
It'd be really easy to add a chamfer on the edge of our mount where it touches the rail to give it clearance.
Dstrbdmedic167 has a mega wedge lock and uses our mount as well. Maybe he can chime in:
https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13117883_1687822114807729_2143883843_n.jpg
Default.mp3
25 October 2016, 07:14
I plan on using the Inline Scout Mount on my Hodge rail; is this not recommended? The rifle will be run suppressed most of the time, so I'm trying to push the light as far as possible, so I originally didn't care about the fact that there's only 1 M-LOK slot; should I be?
fledge
25 October 2016, 07:16
Is the only reason not to use the online mount is front sight clearance? Or am I missing something?
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b556/fledge2000/BCM/0462DE4F-4220-411E-AADC-6C3976DEA21A_zpsnn24cdlm.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/fledge2000/media/BCM/0462DE4F-4220-411E-AADC-6C3976DEA21A_zpsnn24cdlm.jpg.html)
JGifford
25 October 2016, 07:26
Is the only reason not to use the online mount is front sight clearance? Or am I missing something?
http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b556/fledge2000/BCM/0462DE4F-4220-411E-AADC-6C3976DEA21A_zpsnn24cdlm.jpg (http://s1291.photobucket.com/user/fledge2000/media/BCM/0462DE4F-4220-411E-AADC-6C3976DEA21A_zpsnn24cdlm.jpg.html)
I did not consider the in-line mount, and have not tried it.
JGifford
25 October 2016, 07:27
I plan on using the Inline Scout Mount on my Hodge rail; is this not recommended? The rifle will be run suppressed most of the time, so I'm trying to push the light as far as possible, so I originally didn't care about the fact that there's only 1 M-LOK slot; should I be?
All it can use is 1 MLOK slot, unless the in-line mount is somehow special?
Slippers
25 October 2016, 07:29
I plan on using the Inline Scout Mount on my Hodge rail; is this not recommended? The rifle will be run suppressed most of the time, so I'm trying to push the light as far as possible, so I originally didn't care about the fact that there's only 1 M-LOK slot; should I be?
I wouldn't cantilever the inline mount more than a half inch off the front of the rail. If you run it reversed like fledge, then it would be fine, but the light won't be as far forward. You might run into head clearance issues with the OEM surefire heads, but we just got in the latest revision inline mounts from anodizing which are much thinner, and are 7075.
Jgifford - the inline only has two m-lok nuts, so it does fit in a single m-lok slot.
JGifford
25 October 2016, 07:33
I wouldn't cantilever the inline mount more than a half inch off the front of the rail. If you run it reversed like fledge, then it would be fine, but the light won't be as far forward.
Jgifford - the inline only has two m-lok nuts, so it does fit in a single m-lok slot.
I like how Fledge has his mounted. I wouldn't want my light out in the muzzle-blast. But I'm OCD like that. Running a suppressor, the can gets hot. I wouldn't want the light riding fractions of an inch off of a suppressor, either.
Slippers
25 October 2016, 07:38
It works fine with the mount reversed using our latest 7075 inline model and Surefire heads:
http://i.imgur.com/KAIDUK0.jpg
I can swap you out for the offset and refund the difference if you'd like.
UWone77
25 October 2016, 07:42
I've personally never had an issue with my mounts or lights near the suppressor, even on F/A.
Default.mp3
25 October 2016, 07:57
I wouldn't cantilever the inline mount more than a half inch off the front of the rail. If you run it reversed like fledge, then it would be fine, but the light won't be as far forward. You might run into head clearance issues with the OEM surefire heads, but we just got in the latest revision inline mounts from anodizing which are much thinner, and are 7075.
Jgifford - the inline only has two m-lok nuts, so it does fit in a single m-lok slot.My concern about the single M-LOK slot is the fact that it would cantilever the mount way out, which I wasn't sure was kosher; Slippers seems to have confirmed that issue. I'm not concerned about the heat, as I run a suppressor cover, and rarely do mag dumps anyway. However, running the mount in reverse may not be an option for me; I would think the M600U's body would cover the mounting holes, no?
I might just end up with the Unity Tactical M-LOK/Fusion Adapter (http://www.unitytactical.com/shop/m-lok-compatible-fusion-adapter/) if Slippers thinks that cantilevering is a bad idea; I had hoped the suppressor being there might offer it some measure of protection for the mount against being levered up on. I suppose the Unity Tactical Monkey Bar (http://www.unitytactical.com/shop/fusion-monkey-bar/) is another possible solution, though I'm not sure how it side steps the cantilevering issue, given that it doesn't look as substantial as the Arisaka In-Line Mount, and is made with 6061 instead of 7075.
Slippers
25 October 2016, 08:28
My concern about the single M-LOK slot is the fact that it would cantilever the mount way out, which I wasn't sure was kosher; Slippers seems to have confirmed that issue. I'm not concerned about the heat, as I run a suppressor cover, and rarely do mag dumps anyway. However, running the mount in reverse may not be an option for me; I would think the M600U's body would cover the mounting holes, no?
I might just end up with the Unity Tactical M-LOK/Fusion Adapter (http://www.unitytactical.com/shop/m-lok-compatible-fusion-adapter/) if Slippers thinks that cantilevering is a bad idea; I had hoped the suppressor being there might offer it some measure of protection for the mount against being levered up on. I suppose the Unity Tactical Monkey Bar (http://www.unitytactical.com/shop/fusion-monkey-bar/) is another possible solution, though I'm not sure how it side steps the cantilevering issue, given that it doesn't look as substantial as the Arisaka In-Line Mount, and is made with 6061 instead of 7075.
When you use a M600 Scout on our inline, it can put quite a bit of leverage on the mount, especially if you cantilever it off the end and don't have the handguard behind it to add support. Jason Trusty (Gear Sector) mentioned this as one of the main reasons he doesn't make a cantilever mount, and this is also why we recommend against using our inline in this fashion.
You can still use an M600 on the inline with it reversed, but you'll need to take an Allen wrench and chop it down so it's short enough to fit between the body and mount so you can tighten the M-Lok screws.
alamo5000
25 October 2016, 17:19
I like how Fledge has his mounted. I wouldn't want my light out in the muzzle-blast. But I'm OCD like that. Running a suppressor, the can gets hot. I wouldn't want the light riding fractions of an inch off of a suppressor, either.
I thought the same thing before I bought one of Slipper's lights. Through my own experience I've learned otherwise. The can gets hot in the middle of can WAY more than it does down by the mount. In other words it's a non issue.
I am running a 9.7" SLR rail on a 10.5" barrel and right now my light is almost exactly even with the end of the rail right now, but that is based more on how I grip the gun while still maintaining good access to the 'on' button. I could probably stick the light out another 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch (maybe even more than that) before it would even be remotely close to any non suppressed muzzle blasts.
JGifford
25 October 2016, 20:39
I thought the same thing before I bought one of Slipper's lights. Through my own experience I've learned otherwise. The can gets hot in the middle of can WAY more than it does down by the mount. In other words it's a non issue.
I am running a 9.7" SLR rail on a 10.5" barrel and right now my light is almost exactly even with the end of the rail right now, but that is based more on how I grip the gun while still maintaining good access to the 'on' button. I could probably stick the light out another 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch (maybe even more than that) before it would even be remotely close to any non suppressed muzzle blasts.
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?9496-Streamlight-ProTac-Rail-1-thoughts&p=139928#post139928
Just food for thought. I keep my electronics out of the way of constant blast forces if it at all possible.
gatordev
26 October 2016, 18:51
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?9496-Streamlight-ProTac-Rail-1-thoughts&p=139928#post139928
Just food for thought. I keep my electronics out of the way of constant blast forces if it at all possible.
That didn't really have much to do with blast forces and much more to do with putting a $89 light on a carbine. My SF mounted on my MK18 in the same position has been just fine, and looks far worse for wear.
schambers
26 October 2016, 19:08
I have a surefire m300 light mounted to the 5' o'clock of a kac mams and I have not seen any major carbon buildup or damaging effects to the head unit.
Dasanii19
30 November 2016, 21:00
I was hoping someone could help me out. I have a 16" ballistics advantage modern barrel. I called Mega today and they told me that my gas block would be sticking out if I used a 12" wedge lock rail. MEGA suggested using a 14" to cover up the gas block. I believe I was talking to the secretary and am not sure the information I was given was correct. I am interested in hearing your option on which length rail I should go with using my 16" bbl. I did purchase the SLR hodge gas block, hopefully this was the right move.
Dstrbdmedic167
30 November 2016, 21:05
I was hoping someone could help me out. I have a 16" ballistics advantage modern barrel. I called Mega today and they told me that my gas block would be sticking out if I used a 12" wedge lock rail. MEGA suggested using a 14" to cover up the gas block. I believe I was talking to the secretary and am not sure the information I was given was correct. I am interested in hearing your option on which length rail I should go with using my 16" bbl. I did purchase the SLR hodge gas block, hopefully this was the right move.
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This is a 16" barrel with a mid length gas system and 14" rail. You can see it covers it well. The 12" should cover it but it will be close which is why they suggested the 14" rail. I like the look of the extended(14") but i have other 12" rails on 16 barrels without issues.
jdhill
30 November 2016, 21:09
I was hoping someone could help me out. I have a 16" ballistics advantage modern barrel. I called Mega today and they told me that my gas block would be sticking out if I used a 12" wedge lock rail. MEGA suggested using a 14" to cover up the gas block. I believe I was talking to the secretary and am not sure the information I was given was correct. I am interested in hearing your option on which length rail I should go with using my 16" bbl. I did purchase the SLR hodge gas block, hopefully this was the right move.
That doesn't sound right... a 12" hand guard should cover a mid-length gas system.
Dasanii19
30 November 2016, 21:09
Thanks Dstrbdmedic167! You mean 14" rail, not barrel right?
Dasanii19
30 November 2016, 21:10
This is my first build and now im a little confused on which length to go for with my 16" bbl.
fledge
30 November 2016, 21:41
Midlength gas is 9". Rifle gas is 12". A 12" handguard clears a 9" gas system just fine.
I personally would go 14" on the rail for a 16" barrel. It looks better unless you have a decorative barrel or making a military clone. And gives you 2" more if you use a bipod, using tops and sides of walls as rest, etc. But it's up to you.
The BA gas block should fit fine under the mega rail. It does under my hodge rail which is basically the same thing.
Dasanii19
30 November 2016, 21:45
Midlength gas is 9". Rifle gas is 12". A 12" handguard clears a 9" gas system just fine.
I personally would go 14" on the rail for a 16" barrel. It looks better unless you have a decorative barrel or making a military clone. And gives you 2" more if you use a bipod, using tops and sides of walls as rest, etc. But it's up to you.
The BA gas block should fit fine under the mega rail. It does under my hodge rail which is basically the same thing.
Thanks, I think I'm going to go 12". I guess I just don't see a reason for the 2 extra inches. I bought the SLR hodge gas block, I don't have a BA gas block.
Dstrbdmedic167
30 November 2016, 21:55
Thanks Dstrbdmedic167! You mean 14" rail, not barrel right?
Yes that's correct fixed my post.
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fledge
30 November 2016, 21:57
Ah, I assumed your BA barrel came with a pinned gas block. The SLR version works too.
In my first carbine class, I partnered up with a classmate resting the rifle on barricades while shooting from concealment. I learned then of the advantage of a longer handguard. We both had 16" barrels. He was using an old colt with a 7" handguard. I had a 15" handguard. Because of my handguard length, I could keep most of the rifle on my side of the barricade. His shorter length meant putting almost a foot of his barrel across the barricade to rest the rifle on the handguard. In class, it's not a big deal. In the real world, if I had a choice, I'd prefer not exposing my barrel out in the open. Same is true when resting against sides of walls used for concealment in a home defense situation. I don't want my barrel of all things hanging halfway across the hall. But that's just me and such a situation may never present itself. It's stuff to think about depending on your use for your rifle. I use an SBR for home defense which ticks that box.
Another reason for longer handguard is barrel protection in transport. I'd prefer my barrel float inside the handguard rather than have a duffle, boxes, or other rifles, accidentally leaning against my barrel. Again, choose your use and build accordingly.
Dasanii19
30 November 2016, 22:01
Ah, I assumed your BA barrel came with a pinned gas block. The SLR version works too.
In my first carbine class, I partnered up with a classmate resting the rifle on barricades while shooting from concealment. I learned then of the advantage of a longer handguard. We both had 16" barrels. He was using an old colt with a 7" handguard. I had a 15" handguard. Because of my handguard length, I could keep most of the rifle on my side of the barricade. His shorter length meant putting almost a foot of his barrel across the barricade to rest the rifle on the handguard. In class, it's not a big deal. In the real world, if I had a choice, I'd prefer not exposing my barrel out in the open. Same is true when resting against sides of walls used for concealment in a home defense situation. I don't want my barrel of all things hanging halfway across the hall. But that's just me and such a situation may never present itself. It's stuff to think about depending on your use for your rifle. I use an SBR for home defense which ticks that box.
Another reason for longer handguard is barrel protection in transport. I'd prefer my barrel float inside the handguard rather than have a duffle, boxes, or other rifles, accidentally leaning against my barrel. Again, choose your use and build accordingly.
Thanks for explaining. Well it sounds like I'll have to sleep on it. You do raise good points.
BoilerUp
30 November 2016, 23:06
I don't know what an "SLR hodge gas block" is, but if you are using an SLR adjustable gas block then a 12" rail over a mid-length gas system should work well. If you go with a 14" rail then I'm not sure if the wrench included with the SLR will be long enough to reach the gas block. SLR sells long drivers, though, to take care of this.
As mentioned, there are some advantages to a long handguard, like being able to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CxkhMVva4
Otherwise, a 12" handguard over a 16" barrel is pretty common and, I think, looks pretty good.
JGifford
1 December 2016, 00:44
I don't know what an "SLR hodge gas block" is, but if you are using an SLR adjustable gas block then a 12" rail over a mid-length gas system should work well. If you go with a 14" rail then I'm not sure if the wrench included with the SLR will be long enough to reach the gas block. SLR sells long drivers, though, to take care of this.
As mentioned, there are some advantages to a long handguard, like being able to do this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CxkhMVva4
Otherwise, a 12" handguard over a 16" barrel is pretty common and, I think, looks pretty good.
It's the gas block developed for Jim Hodge by SLR.
SamAdams
1 December 2016, 04:13
Lol! Tactical Catwalk?
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fledge
1 December 2016, 05:32
And the SLR adjustable doesn't fit under the wedge lock rail.
BoilerUp
1 December 2016, 06:28
It's the gas block developed for Jim Hodge by SLR.
Ah, I've found it. Non adjustable.
Surprising that an SLR Sentry won't fit under a wedgelock since they do fit (set screw only) under a KMR which is pretty darn small.
fledge
1 December 2016, 07:08
There's a thread on M4C that discusses the gas block figment issues. The only adjustable I found that works is Next Intent, but only if it's under the MLOK slots at 10 and 2 (at least on the Hodge) while still allowing use of the MLOK slots.
Dasanii19
3 December 2016, 23:53
So the low pro gas block that comes installed on the ballistics advantage barrel
will fit under the wedge lock rail?
Stone
4 December 2016, 09:51
So the low pro gas block that comes installed on the ballistics advantage barrel
will fit under the wedge lock rail?
Yes, I have their Low pro gas block on a 16" mega heavy profile barrel with the 14" wedgelock(M-lok) Plenty of clearance. The only place where clearance is an issue will be with Mlok accessories (screw protrusion) directly under the gas block. Sides of the rail are fine. FWIW I also dimpled and pinned the gas block.
alamo5000
4 December 2016, 10:16
Yes, I have their Low pro gas block on a 16" mega heavy profile barrel with the 14" wedgelock(M-lok) Plenty of clearance. The only place where clearance is an issue will be with Mlok accessories (screw protrusion) directly under the gas block. Sides of the rail are fine. FWIW I also dimpled and pinned the gas block.
That is a common problem with slim rails and mlok components. SLR solved the problem by offering a shorter gas block. Works good. You can get adjustable and non adjustable ones that fix it. They shaved a fair amount off the gas block tip to tail and now no more problem.
Dasanii19
4 December 2016, 10:19
Yes, I have their Low pro gas block on a 16" mega heavy profile barrel with the 14" wedgelock(M-lok) Plenty of clearance. The only place where clearance is an issue will be with Mlok accessories (screw protrusion) directly under the gas block. Sides of the rail are fine. FWIW I also dimpled and pinned the gas block.
Did you dimple and pin it your self?
Stone
4 December 2016, 10:57
Yep, I used the BRD engineering jigs. Their dimple jig has a pointed screw that aligns itself by setting itself into the gas port. I double dimpled it and loctited the screws and let it sit for a day. Then I used their pinning jig, drilled it, reamed it and pinned it. IMO the dimpling is paramount to perfect alignment of the block. If you don't then the block may be canted when pinning and will hit the inside of the rail. The top of the gas block has to fit square inside the gas block notch inside the rail.
http://brdengineering.com/ Jake is a good dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMm6nieDP2M
fledge
4 December 2016, 13:11
That is a common problem with slim rails and mlok components. SLR solved the problem by offering a shorter gas block. Works good. You can get adjustable and non adjustable ones that fix it. They shaved a fair amount off the gas block tip to tail and now no more problem.
FYI: The SLR adj do not work with this rail.
Default.mp3
22 January 2017, 22:23
It's a super tight fit, but the Unity M-LOK Compatible FUSION Adapter tucks the Scout in very close. I had install the KAC Micro front sight first, and there was definitely some pressure that had to be exerted to pop the Scout into place. The screws that came packaged with the FUSION Adapter were also too short, had to run to Home Depot and buy some #8-32×1/2 screws.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/634/32096787430_521534d0d1_o.jpg
Default.mp3
11 October 2017, 22:14
Just FYI, Zev has .308 versions up now, too: http://www.zevtechnologies.com/rifle/hand-guards?_ga=2.156824382.423824899.1507784584-213994033.1507000064
Stone
12 October 2017, 08:11
Well I guess its official now, no more Mega lowers...
http://www.zevtechnologies.com/forged_lower_ar15
Aragorn
13 October 2017, 17:51
Well I guess its official now, no more Mega lowers...
http://www.zevtechnologies.com/forged_lower_ar15
Not trying to be a heretic but, I kinda like the Zev logo better than Mega's atom. I think it looks sweet.
GOST
14 October 2017, 17:59
Not trying to be a heretic but, I kinda like the Zev logo better than Mega's atom. I think it looks sweet.
I didn't like the idea of Mega going away, but I agree that the new logo looks a lot better.
Stone
15 October 2017, 08:34
Whaaaat?? The atomic symbol is unique, the Zev logo looks like the autozone logo. Lame...
Stickman
15 October 2017, 08:43
Whaaaat?? The atomic symbol is unique, the Zev logo looks like the autozone logo. Lame...
I thought it looked more like service stripes.
Stone
15 October 2017, 09:08
If that's what it is indeed modeled after then I do retract the "lame" comment...
Default.mp3
11 April 2018, 22:50
Just as an FYI, the Zev WedgeLocks are 6061, rather than 7075 like the Mega and Hodge.
SINNER
11 April 2018, 23:58
Like I said before, Mega is gone and Zev will take the profitable products and merge them into their product line. Sad to see they are cheapening the manufacturing to increase profit but not surprised one bit.
UWone77
15 April 2018, 14:53
Just happened to speak with a couple of Mega and now ZEV dealers. They confirmed that MSRP's were raised on the Wedgelocks. Looks like a hair under $10ish from the ZEV website.
Although most manufacturers are doing 6061 Handguards, it is disappointing to see the downgrade without the price dropping.
Stone
15 April 2018, 17:32
Sad... Glad I got all I needed before the dumbing down began. I thought Zev was known for quality parts...
Default.mp3
15 April 2018, 22:36
Hopefully the Hodge variations will still be available; otherwise, I'll probably just switch to the V7 handguards, as the Geisseles just don't do it for me (if only they released the MK16s for sale).
Edit:
OP has 10.75s in stock now. Tooling up for more 11.5s and 13.65s....bout a month out on those.
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