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Pyzik
11 February 2015, 12:33
I received two Mission First Tactical mags through the WEVO T&E program. I'll use this thread as a running update along with a final written evaluation, at which point I'll update this OP with the final word.
This post has been updated as of 3/1/2015 to include all information and final thoughts.

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/11/d3d29d1e59c71d5546177742c6c94abb.jpg

To start things off I'd mentioned that I thought the mags felt ever so slightly smaller in dimension than Pmags. Computalotapus mentioned that he'd be particularly interested in dimensions since Gen 2 Pmags are tight in one of his receivers.

Below you'll find dimensional measurements from portions of the mags that are inserted into the receiver.

Spine to belly (A), thickness (B), thickness at receiver reliefs (C), thickness including maglatch stop (D) and thickness at the front ribs (E).

Mission First Tactical:

A: 2.5265"
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-do943JfeHtk/VNu2RfAA42I/AAAAAAAACJQ/IONaw7eGUeo/w491-h873-no/20150211_145449.jpg

B: 0.8755"
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-AZGBWV9nYNE/VNu2SNBGkPI/AAAAAAAACJY/Gt38C8KXxpU/w491-h873-no/20150211_145621.jpg

C: 0.851"
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9mwficaWSW8/VNu2SOF-ivI/AAAAAAAACJg/SFi2vqYqZ4w/w491-h873-no/20150211_145702.jpg

D: 0.875"
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-2pmUpoSJjd0/VNu2TzCdWtI/AAAAAAAACJo/FqDswwufzB0/w491-h873-no/20150211_150042.jpg

E: 0.9225"
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vhoqOf9CelI/VNu29zSuOMI/AAAAAAAACJw/-AHoRKW0dlE/w491-h873-no/20150211_145903.jpg

Magpul Gen2:
A: 2.529"
B: 0.889"
C: 0.869"
D: 0.875"
E: 0.9285"

Magpul Gen3:
A: 2.521"
B: 0.8805"
C: 0.844"
D: 0.8765"
E: 0.938"

Bushmaster Aluminum Mag:
A: 2.5375"
B: 0.879"
C: 0.850"
D: 0.882"
E: 0.918"

HexMag
A: 2.540"
B: 0.888"
C: 0.894"
D: 0.880"
E: 0.914"

As you'll see the Mission First Tactical mags are slightly smaller in all areas (except one, where they are the same) as Pmag Gen2s. Some areas of the Pmag Gen 3 are smaller yet.


Comparing Followers.

The anti tilt followers seem to be on par with what we'd expect. They don't have the same look as the magpul's we're used to but function the same. No tilt to the rear and similar tilting forward.

MFT
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AFUfk9aLy4o/VNzZYpDrLgI/AAAAAAAACL0/Q1kyY_FtCrA/w958-h539-no/20150212_114439.jpg

Pmag Gen2
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xD1of5OBn1Q/VNzZYhEXr5I/AAAAAAAACL0/kkV1sQHdfoA/w958-h539-no/20150212_114642.jpg

Here is a comparison of the mags broke down. Gen2 Pmag on top, MFT on bottom. For what its worth, the magpul follower will work in the MFT but not vise versa.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Oa6gsUUNgMI/VNzWoPuSYEI/AAAAAAAACLA/76s8VsxeNl8/s873-no/20150212_112821.jpg

Removing the toolless floor plate was easy as well as re-installing.


For anyone wondering, these will take a stripper guide.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ryaInPVRYok/VPNf8E8f_XI/AAAAAAAACPI/RnaGNPLx9sU/w865-h577-no/20150225_202538.jpg

Drop Testing

I took a mag out and did some drop testing, loaded and unloaded.
Mag performed fine unloaded. Performed fine when dropped on base and even feed lips. The mag did fail when dropped on it's spine however. These tests were performed in near zero degree (F) weather.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8577/16572991881_21d2348746_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rfuV6k)
MFT Spine Failure (https://flic.kr/p/rfuV6k) by Pyzik (https://www.flickr.com/people/83018433@N04/), on Flickr


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qm4m_zmDdoU

In response so a lot of hate that the MFT mag received, I decided to do the same test with a Magpul Gen2 mag and it failed in the same manner.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjK2zBB1UL8

After failing both mags had difficulty holding 30 rounds. They loaded and locked into the rifle.
The MFT mag loaded and chambered all 30 rounds even after failure. The Gen2 Pmag had a FTFeed at round 8 after failure.


Using the mag as a Monopod

I took the remaining mag to the range and shot from several positions. Using the mag as a brace against objects and as a monopod. The mag functioned flawlessly while being pressed upward into the receiver as a monopod and while being pressed forward and backward against obstacles.


MFT vs Car

I placed a loaded mag in the drive and ran it over several times. I had to run to the store and thought well, why not take a mag with me and toss it out of the car to simulate falling off a truck (or whatever).

The mag survived just fine, albeit some scuffs and scratches. The mag still locked up and functioned fine in the rifle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH59aD6Ug4k

There must have been a hairline fracture or a crack that I missed because after hitting the range again to shoot the magazine I noticed upon loading that the mag that there is another fracture along the spine.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8575/16063105244_5db462a55d_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/qtrByq)
Another Failure (https://flic.kr/p/qtrByq) by Pyzik (https://www.flickr.com/people/83018433@N04/), on Flickr

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8583/16499290129_791b75d7a6_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/r8Zb8t)
Final Failure (https://flic.kr/p/r8Zb8t) by Pyzik (https://www.flickr.com/people/83018433@N04/), on Flickr

Notice there are actually TWO fractures here.

So with that, this T&E is a wrap.

Final Thoughts
Would I buy these mags over others? Yes, though I am no brand loyalist. I will buy what is the cheapest so long as I can trust them. So if I can find these cheaper than other trusted mags, I'd buy them.

Duty use? That's for you to decide with the evidence presented and your own research. I'm no professional gun slinger. These would be used for mostly range/class use. The chances of my employing a long gun for defense are minuscule.

This was fun and I thank Weapons Evolution and Mission First Tactical for the opportunity to test and play with these mags!

toolboxluis00200
11 February 2015, 12:48
nice so there just small in the right areas so it will drop free interesting i like that

CK 187
11 February 2015, 13:02
They've definitely done their research if their tolerances hold true. A trial of two pieces may not be a true measure, but i like the improved drop ability if they all run that small


Somebody needs to measure the Hexmag now

Dstrbdmedic167
11 February 2015, 13:10
They've definitely done their research if their tolerances hold true. A trial of two pieces may not be a true measure, but i like the improved drop ability if they all run that small


Somebody needs to measure the Hexmag now

I can do it tomorrow if someone doesn't best me to it.

Pyzik
11 February 2015, 13:24
I can do it tomorrow if someone doesn't best me to it.

I've got one on the way but it won't be here tomorrow. Lemme know what you get!

Computalotapus
11 February 2015, 16:31
Sweet. Definitely interested to see if the MFT's will drop free. Like i said the Gen 3's work perfectly but options are always good to have

Sent from my Windows Phone 8.1

voodoo_man
11 February 2015, 16:48
scientific with the numbers.

now run over it with a truck and throw it out a 10th floor window, then do auto mag dumps.

;)

Pyzik
11 February 2015, 16:48
scientific with the numbers.

now run over it with a truck and throw it out a 10th floor window, then do auto mag dumps.

;)
Sooooon.

VIPER 237
11 February 2015, 17:43
I have been involved with a company doing a 10k round torture test this week and the MFT's are running right with the lancer awm's and Magpul M2 and M3 mags up to today which we cleared 6500 rounds. Other newer designs have not impressed as much, and others have failed miserably.

mustangfreek
12 February 2015, 02:15
So if i read that right there a hair shorter outside, did that decrease the inside number?

Just curious as us handloaders are usually on the long side for the heavy bullets, and some of my magpuls have been tighter the others..just curious, sense you broke out the calipers..lol

Pyzik
12 February 2015, 03:43
Good thought, I'll check today if I can get a good read.

Pyzik
12 February 2015, 08:41
I brought the mags with me again to work today, along with 5 factory Federal XM109 rounds.
EDIT: The rounds are factory loads, not the reloads I thought they were.

The 5 rounds measure out to 2.253, 2.253, 2.255, 2.256 & 2.256"
The best measurements I could get of the inside of the mags, where the tip of the bullet would be is 2.259".

Here you can see the rounds as compared to a Magpul Gen2.

MFT
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9pLkN-cfANk/VNzWoHvk7tI/AAAAAAAACK4/-cPorF4IQwY/w582-h873-no/20150212_113032.jpg

Pmag Gen2
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-VzmhHU_yXqo/VNzWoPKGMhI/AAAAAAAACKw/apcLAhtV2fE/w582-h873-no/20150212_113232.jpg

Dstrbdmedic167
12 February 2015, 08:45
Looks a little tight. (Insert joke here)

Pyzik
12 February 2015, 08:53
Comparing the mag followers.

The anti tilt followers seem to be on par with what we'd expect. They don't have the same look as the magpul's we're used to but function the same. No tilt to the rear and similar tilting forward.

MFT
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AFUfk9aLy4o/VNzZYpDrLgI/AAAAAAAACL0/Q1kyY_FtCrA/w958-h539-no/20150212_114439.jpg

Pmag Gen2
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xD1of5OBn1Q/VNzZYhEXr5I/AAAAAAAACL0/kkV1sQHdfoA/w958-h539-no/20150212_114642.jpg

Here is a comparison of the mags broke down. Gen2 Pmag on top, MFT on bottom. For what its worth, the magpul follower will work in the MFT but not vise versa.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Oa6gsUUNgMI/VNzWoPuSYEI/AAAAAAAACLA/76s8VsxeNl8/s873-no/20150212_112821.jpg

Removing the toolless floor plate was easy as well as re-installing.

CK 187
12 February 2015, 09:42
For what its worth, the magpul follower will work in the MFT but not vise versa.

That's actually a nice little piece of info right there

Dstrbdmedic167
12 February 2015, 17:26
Ok so here is what I came up with on the hexmag..

A- 2.540
B- .888
C- .894
D- .880
E- .914

Pyzik
12 February 2015, 18:32
Ok so here is what I came up with on the hexmag..

A- 2.540
B- .888
C- .894
D- .880
E- .914
Awesome! I'll update my post when I'm on my comp.

Pyzik
18 February 2015, 14:27
Sneak peek of some bad news.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8567/16572880331_2f052fd5c2_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rfukW4)
MFT Failure (https://flic.kr/p/rfukW4) by Pyzik (https://www.flickr.com/people/83018433@N04/), on Flickr

I had two cameras going so I hope I got some good footage. I'll be uploading them and will post them once they're together.
Probably won't be able to get it finished tonight (I'm not good at video editing yet)... If not they'll be done tomorrow.

voodoo_man
18 February 2015, 14:37
sweet, looking forward to it.

Pyzik
18 February 2015, 14:41
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8577/16572991881_21d2348746_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rfuV6k)
MFT Spine Failure (https://flic.kr/p/rfuV6k) by Pyzik (https://www.flickr.com/people/83018433@N04/), on Flickr

UWone77
18 February 2015, 14:43
Wow...

But hey... this is the kind of stuff I wanted to see come out of this program. The good, bad, and ugly.

Dstrbdmedic167
18 February 2015, 15:29
Interesting. Looking forward to see the footage.

Pyzik
18 February 2015, 15:29
Wow...

But hey... this is the kind of stuff I wanted to see come out of this program. The good, bad, and ugly.

Not to spoil the video but it was dropped onto icy, snowy concrete from chest height (5'?) onto it's spine, fully loaded.
Environment: 12° F, windy, sunny.

Naytwan
18 February 2015, 17:26
Wow, wonder if a Pmag would have held up to the same thing.

Pyzik
18 February 2015, 17:50
Wow, wonder if a Pmag would have held up to the same thing.
I'm going to do it tomorrow with one of mine. If it breaks, oh well.

MonkeyBomb
18 February 2015, 17:53
Mine did. I had two loaded gen 2's that were clamped together in blow out bag. A loop on the bag got caught on a shotgun as I took it out of the rack. The bag came out with the shotgun stuck to the front sight. The clamped mags fell out just over my head and dropped onto concrete on the top edge of one mag.

I inspected it and there was only a scuff. Threw it back in the bag cinched the top and put it back in the rig. No damage.

Pyzik
18 February 2015, 18:07
Not so great video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm4m_zmDdoU

Farva
18 February 2015, 19:14
I'm not sure there's a mag out there that wouldn't break fully loaded thrown on its spine. To me it's kind of a unique situation but still good testing to know about!

Pyzik
18 February 2015, 19:16
Hmm. I only did it cause everyone drops it on the base plate or the feed lips. Was trying to think of something different.

Farva
18 February 2015, 19:20
Hmm. I only did it cause everyone drops it on the base plate or the feed lips. Was trying to think of something different.

Hey I agree man I say send it to outer space and see if it makes it through the reentry in one piece! I'm not knocking your testing I'm just throwing my .02 out there. I would have done the same thing! 👍

toolboxluis00200
18 February 2015, 19:28
Not so great video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm4m_zmDdoU

good video very well done

UWone77
18 February 2015, 23:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qm4m_zmDdoU

Pyzik
19 February 2015, 07:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qm4m_zmDdoU

Thanks. Not sure what I am doing wrong so that it won't embed.

GOST
19 February 2015, 14:15
Nice video Pyzik.

FortTom
19 February 2015, 14:55
First Pyzik, great job with the video and review! Hope I can figure something out, when it comes time for me to do my review. I'm curious, though, how another brand would do under equally harsh conditions. 12 degrees F. and a full mag in a polymer mag. I'm guessing that other similar mags, weighted down with 30 rounds, dropped on concrete in "freezing your butt off" weather might perform the same. Guess we won't know, unless it's done. Anyway, excellent review.

FT

Pyzik
19 February 2015, 15:45
Well, I did the exact same test with one of my Gen2 Pmag and same exact failure.

Pics and video forthcoming.

FortTom
19 February 2015, 16:13
Well, I did the exact same test with one of my Gen2 Pmag and same exact failure.

Pics and video forthcoming.

Wow, I was thinking of that exact same "match up" when I posted. Polymers get hard when it gets cold. Well most thin polymers, not all. Really not that bad though. I mean, let's say SE MI had some kind of apocalyptic economic break down, and everyone went bezerk, and you had to actually take to the field and defend yourself. Far fetched, I know, but follow me here. What's the chance your going to be dropping your loaded mags at sub-freezing temps, on hard concrete. Still far fetched, but feasible. I'm assuming, what ever anarchy has taken over due to your states meltdown, that you're going to be carrying at least 5 or 6 more mags, and when you dump them, they won't be full of ammo, and on hard concrete, unless your motor skills are just permanently FUBAR. I'm just making a W.A.G. here, but I think that under the circumstances, the cold, the concrete, full mags, and dropping them from 5 feet, that the same results could randomly happen with any polymer mag. Therefore, I'd reserve judgement on the MFT until other mags of similar composition were put through the same "torture" test.

Pyzik
19 February 2015, 16:16
Both the MFT and the Gen2 Pmag broke on the second drop.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8609/16584031091_a6b312ce8e_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/rgtuEx)
Gen2 Pmag (https://flic.kr/p/rgtuEx) by Pyzik (https://www.flickr.com/people/83018433@N04/), on Flickr

toolboxluis00200
19 February 2015, 16:36
very interesting

Pyzik
19 February 2015, 16:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjK2zBB1UL8

toolboxluis00200
19 February 2015, 16:52
try a Glock mag but make sure you use hazard suite [BD]

FortTom
19 February 2015, 18:01
Kind of what I thought would happen. You have to admit, that's a tough test for a plastic mag, though. Good job.

FT

Pyzik
19 February 2015, 19:19
I'll be hitting the range again and plan on seeing if it would still function in an emergency scenario, like if it were your last mag.

FortTom
19 February 2015, 19:45
I'll be hitting the range again and plan on seeing if it would still function in an emergency scenario, like if it were your last mag.
That should be interesting. I'd hate to be in that situation, but I'm curious about how that's going to work out. I think the magpul failure definetly vindicates your initial experience with the MFT drop test. This is turning out to be a lot more interesting than I thought possible with a magazine test. Can't wait to see the results.

FT

MonkeyBomb
19 February 2015, 20:10
As much as I am a fanboy of the P-Mags it looks like it cracked in a spot that was thicker plastic than the MFT. Will it even lock it the magwell?

alamo5000
19 February 2015, 21:37
Well, I did the exact same test with one of my Gen2 Pmag and same exact failure.

Pics and video forthcoming.

I applaud you for trying this with various mags, especially the beloved PMAG. I think if the MFT mag busted because it's not up to snuff that's one thing... but your willingness to sacrifice a mag of your own was revealing and also fair to MFT.

alamo5000
19 February 2015, 21:38
That should be interesting. I'd hate to be in that situation, but I'm curious about how that's going to work out. I think the magpul failure definetly vindicates your initial experience with the MFT drop test. This is turning out to be a lot more interesting than I thought possible with a magazine test. Can't wait to see the results.

What he said.

Deadwing
20 February 2015, 00:01
I'll be hitting the range again and plan on seeing if it would still function in an emergency scenario, like if it were your last mag.

Great videos. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the PMAG will still feed and function a-ok. Might even still hold 30 rounds, albeit not very securely. Are you going to try and function check the MFT as well, or is it too far gone for that?

Pyzik
20 February 2015, 04:23
Great videos. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the PMAG will still feed and function a-ok. Might even still hold 30 rounds, albeit not very securely. Are you going to try and function check the MFT as well, or is it too far gone for that?
Going to do both. The MFT is having a hard time hanging onto rounds though.

Pyzik
20 February 2015, 07:48
I applaud you for trying this with various mags, especially the beloved PMAG. I think if the MFT mag busted because it's not up to snuff that's one thing... but your willingness to sacrifice a mag of your own was revealing and also fair to MFT.

What he said.
Thanks guys. I was considering doing the Hex mag too but I have a feeling it's just going to fair the same.

Pyzik
20 February 2015, 14:29
I don't think the internet is ready for this...

All rounds chambered from the broken MFT.

FTF on round 8 with the pmag...

toolboxluis00200
20 February 2015, 15:19
I don't think the internet is ready for this...

All rounds chambered from the broken MFT.

FTF on round 8 with the pmag...

[wow] the horror [BD]

Deadwing
20 February 2015, 15:33
I don't think the internet is ready for this...

All rounds chambered from the broken MFT.

FTF on round 8 with the pmag...

Are you trying to crash WEVO again?!?! [BD]

Pyzik
20 February 2015, 16:03
Are you trying to crash WEVO again?!?! [BD]
Oh, jeez no!

Pyzik
28 February 2015, 10:14
Well, the other MFT mag has gone to polymer AR mag heaven. (Same failure in a different manner).

I guess that wraps up my testing for these two. I'll update my OP with all my information and everything I've done.

Dstrbdmedic167
28 February 2015, 10:40
Well, the other MFT mag has gone to polymer AR mag heaven. (Same failure in a different manner).

I guess that wraps up my testing for these two. I'll update my OP with all my information and everything I've done.

Well that didn't last long..

UWone77
28 February 2015, 12:43
Best WEVO T&E Review so far. Well done.

toolboxluis00200
28 February 2015, 17:05
wow you have any pics of the after math

Pyzik
28 February 2015, 17:20
Yeah with partial video (I guess I turned off the camera with my finger [BD]).

toolboxluis00200
28 February 2015, 17:23
ohhh ok

Pyzik
1 March 2015, 10:49
OP has been updated to include all my information, pictures and videos.

If anyone has questions on function or performance I'd he happy to answer them.

Dstrbdmedic167
1 March 2015, 10:58
Excellent T&E and videos Pyzik!! Love that Ginger beard [BD]

Pyzik
1 March 2015, 11:58
Haha, thanks.

toolboxluis00200
1 March 2015, 12:33
love how you drove around and just chug the mag out the window that was awesome

WHSmithIV
1 March 2015, 13:28
This is an interesting review. One of my brand new P-mags had 3 failures to feed. My Hexmags though worked flawlessly. I have 2 Israeli military surplus mags I still need to test. It really does suck when a mag doesn't feed properly and it's better to find out with testing than it is to find out in the middle of a firefight when your life depends on the mag feeding the rifle.

Pyzik
1 March 2015, 14:02
This is an interesting review. One of my brand new P-mags had 3 failures to feed. My Hexmags though worked flawlessly. I have 2 Israeli military surplus mags I still need to test. It really does suck when a mag doesn't feed properly and it's better to find out with testing than it is to find out in the middle of a firefight when your life depends on the mag feeding the rifle.
For sure. The mag is usually the weak point in the system.

I've had all good luck with AR mags.

.223 AK mags are another story.

Pyzik
2 March 2015, 07:20
Best WEVO T&E Review so far. Well done.

Just realized I didn't reply. THANKS!

CK 187
2 March 2015, 08:28
Great review, and I love the testing regiment!!

CK 187
2 March 2015, 08:32
This makes me want to take some mags to work since I work in the plastics industry and do testing on them. I'd like to baseline test structural failures with brand new vs "used" equipment. Maybe heat cycle the polymers in our ovens and blast chiller to induce contraction and then do failure tests


I love this kind of stuff. I even took all of the measuremnets from this test and made an Excel table showing the values [BD]

Pyzik
2 March 2015, 08:34
Great review, and I love the testing regiment!!

Thanks! I really tried to T&E and not review the mags. It's probably a good thing I didn't get an optic or something. [BD]


This makes me want to take some mags to work since I work in the plastics industry and do testing on them. I'd like to baseline test structural failures with brand new vs "used" equipment. Maybe heat cycle the polymers in our ovens and blast chiller to induce contraction and then do failure tests


I love this kind of stuff. I even took all of the measuremnets from this test and made an Excel table showing the values [BD]

Had these not broken so fast from the cold already I was planning on filling one with water and freezing it to let it expand and see if it survived. Great minds thing alike.

mustangfreek
3 March 2015, 04:30
Nice job pyzik!!