Microtech MSAR no more...

[alamo5000]

I was looking at the Microtech Msar... I really liked it... better than the TAVOR...

But it looks like they are throwing in the towel...

http://www.msarinc.com/

| 3.20.15 |

It’s been quite the journey. We set out to share our passion for firearms with the industry and deliver an advanced, American-made bullpup rifle and accessories.

Knowing that our focus and energy lately has been directed towards the expansion and evolution of our 20-year knife line, we no longer felt it sustainable for MSAR to remain an active entity in our holdings.

That being said, we’ve begun to liquidate our remaining inventory. The existing inventory will be packaged into parts kits and sold on a limited basis. Contact and ordering information for those kits will be made available in the coming weeks. Repair services have been disabled with the release of this announcement. Rifles currently in our posession will be repaired and returned to the owners.

As the MSAR project comes to a close, arrangements will also be made to offer purchase options for our existing tooling to qualified buyers. Parties who wish to have their interests considered should submit a formal request, including a letter detailing qualifications and a minimum of three (3) industry references to tooling@msarinc.com. Please note that we will not be responding to any service inquiries or general questions sent to this account.

We learned many years ago that our customers are our lifeline; we thank you for your tireless loyalty and support of the MSAR line. You’ve given us the chance to explore the world of firearms on a new level, and for that, we’ll be forever grateful.

- The MSAR Team

[Thompson]

That's a bummer. Was really looking forward to this rifle hitting the market. Seemed pretty impressive from what I've seen.

[alamo5000]

I came really close to buying one. They are built like a tank. They felt really good in my hands. I like them a lot better than a tavor. I can say this much, it wasn't because their product was bad. I'm guessing the market is just too crowded.

[GOST]

Maybe another party will buy the rights to the design.

[GOST]

The Desert Tech MDR seems to be the one people are waiting for now.

[KevinBLC]

Well, it's a good thing someone else makes a gun almost like it....

seriously, that sucks.

[Thompson]

I'm guessing the market is just too crowded.
I was thinking something along those lines too. The bullpup market is a decent size, just not as big as the AR market is. With the Tavor pretty much dominating the bullpup side of the house (and soon to be MDR) I'm guessing they thought that the MSAR wouldn't stand a chance.

[alamo5000]

I was thinking something along those lines too. The bullpup market is a decent size, just not as big as the AR market is. With the Tavor pretty much dominating the bullpup side of the house (and soon to be MDR) I'm guessing they thought that the MSAR wouldn't stand a chance.

I don't know who makes the Tavor but if you are into guns you can't turn around without seeing one on the internet, at gun shows, in magazines or whatever. They seem to be a lot better funded and have a hell of a lot more PR in the game.

Microtech on the other hand was more of a mom and pop operation from what it looks like. Their work on those rifles looked absolutely fantastic. It was apparent when I was handling the MSAR that they took tons of TLC and put it into the gun. To me side by side the MSAR felt like it was way more solid, almost like a custom build whereas the Tavor didn't.

I guess they couldn't churn out guns en masse like other companies can. Even though I felt like their guns were better, they didn't have the business end right apparently.

[Thompson]

I don't know who makes the Tavor. They seem to be a lot better funded and have a hell of a lot more PR in the game.
Israeli Weapon Industries - they supply firearms for the Israeli Defense Force and have a US-based subsidiary here (located in Harrisburg, Pa).

So yeah, you could say that they are better funded have a lot more PR [:D]

[SINNER]

Notice the blurb about guns they have being repaired? These things failed left and right. There are more than a few that had the receivers crack and so far no replacements. Just a bad Steyr copy.

[UWone77]

Notice the blurb about guns they have being repaired? These things failed left and right. There are more than a few that had the receivers crack and so far no replacements. Just a bad Steyr copy.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Never knew what the appeal of these were. Never heard anything good about them.

[alamo5000]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Never knew what the appeal of these were. Never heard anything good about them.

Admittedly I never fired one or took it to the range or whatever... but I gave one the once and twice over at a gun show or two. It felt like a better fit for me than the Tavor but that is as far as I got. The guy selling one appreciated it waaay too much for my blood so I passed. I have way too many other things that I want a lot more than a bullpup...

I guess in the end the appeal is you can get the same OAL as an SBR with a 10" barrel without all the paperwork. Also you keep regular 5.56 ballistics as a 16" AR15. There is no ballistic penalty despite the short OAL. At least that's how I was thinking about it.

[GOST]

One thing to take into consideration is that some bullpups are really loud due to the end of the barrel being so close to your face, usually closer than a 10.3" barreled SBR. Also ergonomics are a little weird having your lead hand so close. It's also cheaper most of the time to SBR a rifle. Bullpups feel cool in shops, but I'd rather have a SBR.

[alamo5000]

The only bullpups I have any real experience with are the FN variety. PS90 and FS2000.

I am out of my element with some of this stuff but I am learning a lot.

[GOST]

The PS90 I do really like.

[alamo5000]

The PS90 I do really like.

Oh hell yes. I don't really like the FS2000 nearly as much. But the PS90 is on my list. Given my list is really long and my bank account isn't nearly as hefty. The guy I shoot with all the time is wild about FN stuff. He has a couple of 5.7 pistols and a couple of PS90s and about 10,000 rounds of ammo. I really like that little gun a whole lot.

[GOST]

Have you watched this yet?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ACX6ZcqTU

[alamo5000]

Have you watched this yet?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ACX6ZcqTU


"Enough talking about numbers. We didn't get to the moon on numbers. We got to the moon on testicles"


HAHAAAAA!!! That was awesome!!! LOL!

[velocity2006]

I've owned one, their support for the rifle had been dwindling in the last few years so it's not surprising to see them go back to knives full time. I never had an issue with my rifle, and it was just as good as the Styer I had.

[alamo5000]

I've owned one, their support for the rifle had been dwindling in the last few years so it's not surprising to see them go back to knives full time. I never had an issue with my rifle, and it was just as good as the Styer I had.

That is one thing that keeps me away from many different types of firearms. Even on AR's... piston systems or whatever... they often require some proprietary part or whatever...Its almost like buying a $99 printer... only to find out the ink cartridges are $50 a piece. That is one thing that attracted me to ARs.... is that if one company goes out of business then I can get parts somewhere else and they will work.

Of course there are exceptions to that. Pistols all have proprietary parts for the most part.

But I like the AR system where I can change things out and have options. At some point you don't have a choice though. You are just going to get what you get and hope for the best.

[2ATA]

I've got two MSAR' s. They're probably about 8 years old. Ran one of them through carbine classes and a few matches. It shot well enough and was different for a while. Probably have 7 or 8K through that one with no problems at all. The other is NIB and has just been sitting in the safe. Michigan previously had an old law where a rifle under a certain length was classified as a pistol in the state. The MSAR was nice as it was under that limit and being registered as a pistol it give me a legal vehicle rifle under my CPL.