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toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 14:54
ok guys i can use the help in this one i have the lower all ready made just need an upper
build a very simple one to use for T&E like light,red dots,variable zoom scopes,BCG ect....ect..... you get the idea
or just buy an inexpensive upper and i an done

and this are a few ones that i found
https://www.hardenedarms.com/ecProduct_172_27
https://www.hardenedarms.com/ecProduct_215_27
https://www.hardenedarms.com/ecProduct_233_27
and all opinion will also be taking in to account :o


EDIT i do live next to spike tactical but before they move to there new location and management change i use to get amazing discount but know they just trow u under the bus :mad: that is why i don't buy from them that much that is why i did not trow any of ther stuff in this post

UWone77
8 April 2015, 15:04
Budget?

Dstrbdmedic167
8 April 2015, 15:04
Budget?

The infamous number one question! Lol

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:06
Budget?

less than what GOST makes as a MOD [BD][BD]

if i build one i am looking mabey $600 to $650

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:07
The infamous number one question! Lol

lol

Ride4frnt
8 April 2015, 15:34
Damn. For $650 you should be able to get a solid BCM upper with bcg

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:38
Damn. For $650 you should be able to get a solid BCM upper with bcg

that is not a bad idea i will look in to that

i was looking at some of the AP they have a nice upper 14.5 upper but i will have to find some one to unweld the bird cage so i can use the comp i want :(

UWone77
8 April 2015, 15:43
For $650, I'd go BCM all day, everyday, twice on Sunday.

Computalotapus
8 April 2015, 15:45
Damn. For $650 you should be able to get a solid BCM upper with bcg



For $650, I'd go BCM all day, everyday, twice on Sunday.


+1 to both of these

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:46
For $650, I'd go BCM all day, everyday, twice on Sunday.

what no spike love LOL [BD][BD]

Ride4frnt
8 April 2015, 15:47
what no spike love LOL [BD][BD]

I have a spikes upper that I'm very happy with and has served me well since 2010, but I cannot speak for their quality now.

UWone77
8 April 2015, 15:50
what no spike love LOL [BD][BD]

Zero

Dstrbdmedic167
8 April 2015, 15:51
Yea I think it's already been said. If I was buying a built upper in that price range it'd be a BCM. That a good amount to get you a very nice upper with cutting corners or settling for whatever.

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:51
I have a spikes upper that I'm very happy with and has served me well since 2010, but I cannot speak for their quality now.
to be honest whit you i dont blame u i have rifle from spike sins 2007 and i had to use the warranty 2 times and it has less than 1000 round true it :( i only take it out 1 ever 2 years to shoot it but my other spike stuff run like beast

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:52
Zero

ouch

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 15:53
Yea I think it's already been said. If I was buying a built upper in that price range it'd be a BCM. That a good amount to get you a very nice upper with cutting corners or settling for whatever.

yes i will look in to BCM i was looking in to there 14.5 uppers and the are NOT pinn and welded so i can use the comp i want

SINNER
8 April 2015, 16:01
I have a few of the spikes barrels made by FN. They were a steal.

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 16:04
I have a few of the spikes barrels made by FN. They were a steal.

i herd dose are some nice barrels

Ride4frnt
8 April 2015, 16:27
I have a few of the spikes barrels made by FN. They were a steal.

That's what makes me like my spikes upper. LW FN barrel and spikes bcg is all it is really.

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 16:30
That's what makes me like my spikes upper. LW FN barrel and spikes bcg is all it is really.

that remind me i have to take out my spike rifle and oil it lol i have not touch it in over a year

DutyUse
8 April 2015, 17:47
Check around the equipment exchanges if your not in a rush


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toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:22
lol uwone77. got the market corner on that

Thompson
8 April 2015, 19:31
yes i will look in to BCM i was looking in to there 14.5 uppers and the are NOT pinn and welded so i can use the comp i want
Luis - where was this post a couple months ago, when BCM still had a deal of getting a free BCG and comp (I think) with any upper purchase. :P

UWone77
8 April 2015, 19:32
lol uwone77. got the market corner on that

Here Luis,

14.5 upper on a Noveske N4 Barrel unfired. [BD]

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/IMG_3191_zpsmrp88uze.jpg (http://s849.photobucket.com/user/UWone77/media/IMG_3191_zpsmrp88uze.jpg.html)
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/IMG_3193_zpsogrqyqkz.jpg (http://s849.photobucket.com/user/UWone77/media/IMG_3193_zpsogrqyqkz.jpg.html)

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:35
Luis - where was this post a couple months ago, when BCM still had a deal of getting a free BCG and comp (I think) with any upper purchase. :P

i got a Glock :(

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:37
Here Luis,

14.5 upper on a Noveske N4 Barrel unfired. [BD]

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/IMG_3191_zpsmrp88uze.jpg (http://s849.photobucket.com/user/UWone77/media/IMG_3191_zpsmrp88uze.jpg.html)
http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab55/UWone77/IMG_3193_zpsogrqyqkz.jpg (http://s849.photobucket.com/user/UWone77/media/IMG_3193_zpsogrqyqkz.jpg.html)

was that like $1000 to $1500[BD][BD]

Thompson
8 April 2015, 19:38
i got a Glock :(
Glock? You mean Pizza 19? [BD]

UWone77
8 April 2015, 19:38
was that like $1000 to $1500[BD][BD]

$500... but you still have to find a BCG [:D]

Ride4frnt
8 April 2015, 19:40
BCM still offers free BCM mod0 comps and $69 bcg with uppers. That's my vote.

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:41
Glock? You mean Pizza 19? [BD]

lol i forgot about that yes the P19

Thompson
8 April 2015, 19:42
BCM still offers free BCM mod0 comps and $69 bcg with uppers. That's my vote.
Yep, still a good deal in my book ... just not as great as a few months prior.

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:42
$500... but you still have to find a BCG [:D]

yeah it suck all i have is $300 right now have bin poor :(

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:44
BCM still offers free BCM mod0 comps and $69 bcg with uppers. That's my vote.

but at that time i was hoping for a KINO upper and they have not gating in stock for like 2 years now :(

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 19:45
Yep, still a good deal in my book ... just not as great as a few months prior.

yeah that other deal they had was awesome

UWone77
8 April 2015, 19:50
yeah it suck all i have is $300 right now have bin poor :(

It's time to make payments! LOL

Dstrbdmedic167
8 April 2015, 19:57
It's time to make payments! LOL

What about payments in Pizza and Chinese food? Bc I know he eats it at least once a week lol

UWone77
8 April 2015, 19:59
What about payments in Pizza and Chinese food? Bc I know he eats it at least once a week lol

$300 and 10 Pastrami Sandwiches and a case of Diet Coke. [BD]

Dstrbdmedic167
8 April 2015, 20:00
$300 and 10 Pastrami Sandwiches and a case of Diet Coke. [BD]

That's a heck of a deal there. I'd jump on that Luis!

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 20:02
It's time to make payments! LOL
yes i am trust me 6 more payments and i am FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What about payments in Pizza and Chinese food? Bc I know he eats it at least once a week lol

no my mom gets Chinese [BD]

i only get pizza ones a month

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 20:04
That's a heck of a deal there. I'd jump on that Luis!

i know lol

UWone77
8 April 2015, 20:08
Luis, if you actually want this, you can pay me later and I'll ship Monday.

Dstrbdmedic167
8 April 2015, 20:09
Luis, if you actually want this, you can pay me later and I'll ship Monday.

That just shows how awesome of a guy you are!

Thompson
8 April 2015, 20:25
Luis, if you actually want this, you can pay me later and I'll ship Monday.
The world could use a lot more folks like you UW!

toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 20:32
That just shows how awesome of a guy you are!


The world could use a lot more folks like you UW!

i did PM him but i had to turn him down not becose i don't want to buy it i need to payoff my CC and i think i can do it in 4 months

Txfilmmaker
8 April 2015, 20:55
Very nice, UWone77. Wish you could get it Luis, but getting out of debt is wise.


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toolboxluis00200
8 April 2015, 21:06
Very nice, UWone77. Wish you could get it Luis, but getting out of debt is wise.


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i now its cool what he try to do
but at the same time i fill bad it is a nice upper but i do have to pay off that CC off

Computalotapus
9 April 2015, 05:08
i did PM him but i had to turn him down not becose i don't want to buy it i need to payoff my CC and i think i can do it in 4 months

take care of the CC that way later down the road you got more $$ to throw at parts :)

toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 10:15
take care of the CC that way later down the road you got more $$ to throw at parts :)

lol thanks comp i was thinking the same thing but baby step first

Txfilmmaker
9 April 2015, 10:26
If haven't already, check out Dave Ramsey's stuff.


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toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 10:36
If haven't already, check out Dave Ramsey's stuff.


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just did interesting guy

Txfilmmaker
9 April 2015, 10:54
Yes


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toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 11:23
Yes


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it looks like he is bin around a long time

Txfilmmaker
9 April 2015, 14:12
Yes. I took his course many years ago.
If it weren't for my medical bills I would not have any debt right now. Fortunately I have a very small mortgage. We did not over buy.

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GOST
9 April 2015, 14:18
Does Dave Ramsey build rifles?[:D]

toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 14:27
Yes. I took his course many years ago.
If it weren't for my medical bills I would not have any debt right now. Fortunately I have a very small mortgage. We did not over buy.

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good to know glad you are douing well and your family

toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 14:28
Does Dave Ramsey build rifles?[:D]

lol so guffy Gost

SINNER
9 April 2015, 15:33
Guffy?

toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 15:44
the auto correct is crazy some times. I ment to say goffy

GOST
9 April 2015, 16:36
Autocorrect doesn't make that many mistakes.

toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 17:30
but I do lol

alamo5000
9 April 2015, 17:31
His corrected auto correct correction is STILL wrong. LOL

Txfilmmaker
9 April 2015, 18:19
Does Dave Ramsey build rifles?[:D]

I bet he owns a few. His "lower" has to do with "lower" bills. 😎


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GOST
9 April 2015, 18:48
But not rifles.

toolboxluis00200
9 April 2015, 19:06
I bet he owns a few. His "lower" has to do with "lower" bills. 😎


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lol ;)

SINNER
9 April 2015, 19:26
His corrected auto correct correction is STILL wrong. LOL

LMAO

Txfilmmaker
10 April 2015, 09:30
But not rifles.

No - Just great personal finance knowledge. I have followed his advice for years. It has helped a lot. Although, I need to get more serious and disciplined about it.


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DutyUse
11 April 2015, 00:25
No - Just great personal finance knowledge. I have followed his advice for years. It has helped a lot. Although, I need to get more serious and disciplined about it.


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I didn't know about Dave, but I agreed with the little I had time to read when I did a google search. One of the smartest finical moves I ever did was ditching the plastic and now paying almost everything in cash. Lots more $ at the end of the month for gun parts when you don't have interest piling up.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack, back to topic. Luis you said you were planning to use this upper for T&E, but would it ever be pressed into a defensive role? Home built uppers are fun projects and often amazing shooters but I would never depend on them personally. On the flip side though, if it's purely a recreational upper building it allows you to piece it out slowly instead of having one big investment. If I was you though I'd be whipping out 10 pastrami sandwiches and panhandling for 300$ :D

BoilerUp
11 April 2015, 07:59
Home built uppers are fun projects and often amazing shooters but I would never depend on them personally.

I used to feel this way until I learned how stupid easy it is to assemble an AR, upper included. Granted, I wouldn't necessarily trust one that an anonymous someone else built as I never underestimate the ability of people to screw up even the simplest of things, but I trust my Aero Precision (that I built) as much as my factory LMT. The one caveat is gas block pinning - that's one thing that I have to outsource, so to speak, but it's easy to source barrels with that bit of work already complete. I have invested in the proper tools, including a torque wrench, which is important, but beyond that it ain't rocket science nor does it require the skills of a surgeon or Swiss watchmaker. For me, though, building is as much of a hobby as shooting so I can't really imagine buying a factory built AR anymore. I love the fact that I'm not beholden to a gunsmith in a time of need which is a big reason why I've become an AR fanboy instead of the HK roller-lock fanboy that I used to be.

toolboxluis00200
11 April 2015, 09:28
I didn't know about Dave, but I agreed with the little I had time to read when I did a google search. One of the smartest finical moves I ever did was ditching the plastic and now paying almost everything in cash. Lots more $ at the end of the month for gun parts when you don't have interest piling up.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack, back to topic. Luis you said you were planning to use this upper for T&E, but would it ever be pressed into a defensive role? Home built uppers are fun projects and often amazing shooters but I would never depend on them personally. On the flip side though, if it's purely a recreational upper building it allows you to piece it out slowly instead of having one big investment. If I was you though I'd be whipping out 10 pastrami sandwiches and panhandling for 300$ :D

all ready have one
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x151/toolboxluis/tree1of1-11_zpsf4873550.jpg (http://s183.photobucket.com/user/toolboxluis/media/tree1of1-11_zpsf4873550.jpg.html)

UWone77
11 April 2015, 09:32
I didn't know about Dave, but I agreed with the little I had time to read when I did a google search. One of the smartest finical moves I ever did was ditching the plastic and now paying almost everything in cash. Lots more $ at the end of the month for gun parts when you don't have interest piling up.

Sorry didn't mean to hijack, back to topic. Luis you said you were planning to use this upper for T&E, but would it ever be pressed into a defensive role? Home built uppers are fun projects and often amazing shooters but I would never depend on them personally. On the flip side though, if it's purely a recreational upper building it allows you to piece it out slowly instead of having one big investment. If I was you though I'd be whipping out 10 pastrami sandwiches and panhandling for 300$ :D

I can see both sides to this. I've seen plenty of jacked up factory uppers as well as home built. Far more home builds than factory though.

Lots of people have told me that they can build their own uppers, and upon closer inspection, they are crap.

BUT... this isn't putting together the space shuttle. I would and do trust my own builds as much as factory ones when I have enough down range with any upper. At least 500 minimum without malfunctions.

toolboxluis00200
11 April 2015, 09:32
I used to feel this way until I learned how stupid easy it is to assemble an AR, upper included. Granted, I wouldn't necessarily trust one that an anonymous someone else built as I never underestimate the ability of people to screw up even the simplest of things, but I trust my Aero Precision (that I built) as much as my factory LMT. The one caveat is gas block pinning - that's one thing that I have to outsource, so to speak, but it's easy to source barrels with that bit of work already complete. I have invested in the proper tools, including a torque wrench, which is important, but beyond that it ain't rocket science nor does it require the skills of a surgeon or Swiss watchmaker. For me, though, building is as much of a hobby as shooting so I can't really imagine buying a factory built AR anymore. I love the fact that I'm not beholden to a gunsmith in a time of need which is a big reason why I've become an AR fanboy instead of the HK roller-lock fanboy that I used to be.
i build my own lowers :) i dont have the space to add more tools or stuff to build any uppers so i just buy them flat out

DutyUse
11 April 2015, 15:15
I used to feel this way until I learned how stupid easy it is to assemble an AR, upper included. Granted, I wouldn't necessarily trust one that an anonymous someone else built as I never underestimate the ability of people to screw up even the simplest of things, but I trust my Aero Precision (that I built) as much as my factory LMT. The one caveat is gas block pinning - that's one thing that I have to outsource, so to speak, but it's easy to source barrels with that bit of work already complete. I have invested in the proper tools, including a torque wrench, which is important, but beyond that it ain't rocket science nor does it require the skills of a surgeon or Swiss watchmaker. For me, though, building is as much of a hobby as shooting so I can't really imagine buying a factory built AR anymore. I love the fact that I'm not beholden to a gunsmith in a time of need which is a big reason why I've become an AR fanboy instead of the HK roller-lock fanboy that I used to be.

I completely agree that there isn't the black magic, secret sauce, or any special formulas any company is using to assembly their guns.. regardless what their pr campaigns would have most believe. And if you invest in proper tools, parts and have the patience to follow quality build standards anyone can produce BCM level rifles at home, no outsourcing required.

I'm trying to get there myself, but luckily I had most of the basic tools before I got into ARs.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/11/d3fad544b46931a372d57e1de7964bda.jpg

I guess what I meant to say originally, is how many home builders are really going to invest that much into tools when they average guy is already skimping on ammo to just fire their build? I just would steer the average home builder against depending on one unless they really knew what they were doing.

UWone77
11 April 2015, 15:27
BCM doesn't even pin their gas blocks from what I've seen. [BD]

toolboxluis00200
11 April 2015, 15:30
I completely agree that there isn't the black magic, secret sauce, or any special formulas any company is using to assembly their guns.. regardless what their pr campaigns would have most believe. And if you invest in proper tools, parts and have the patience to follow quality build standards anyone can produce BCM level rifles at home, no outsourcing required.

I'm trying to get there myself, but luckily I had most of the basic tools before I got into ARs.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/11/d3fad544b46931a372d57e1de7964bda.jpg

I guess what I meant to say originally, is how many home builders are really going to invest that much into tools when they average guy is already skimping on ammo to just fire their build? I just would steer the average home builder against depending on one unless they really knew what they were doing.

cool set up il ike the smoking cow

toolboxluis00200
11 April 2015, 15:31
BCM doesn't even pin their gas blocks from what I've seen. [BD]

is the good or bad ??

SINNER
11 April 2015, 16:10
I will put my uppers against any factory built ones out there. Jacked up head spacing and cocked gas blocks from a few very well known is why I got serious about building them myself in the first place.

DutyUse
11 April 2015, 16:27
cool set up il ike the smoking cow

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/11/8cd4b7b632bb21c13ba9e2f5e450e402.jpg

It's a deer... lol thanks tho

SINNER
11 April 2015, 16:35
I saw a guy post a photo of that on a blanket. Lol Awesome

tact
11 April 2015, 16:36
BCM doesn't even pin their gas blocks from what I've seen. [BD]

WOA doesn't either...I had to send it off to ADCO.

toolboxluis00200
11 April 2015, 20:21
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/11/8cd4b7b632bb21c13ba9e2f5e450e402.jpg

It's a deer... lol thanks tho

it's a cool poster sorry for the mixup lol

DutyUse
12 April 2015, 05:15
Lawl. Thanks Luis :)

toolboxluis00200
12 April 2015, 10:07
Lawl. Thanks Luis :)

:)

UWone77
13 April 2015, 15:50
is the good or bad ??

I suppose that depends on who you ask, but for me a pinned gas block is a must. Do gas blocks back out for the most part? Not really, but I've seen it happen, and pinning a gas block isn't going to break the bank. Some manufacturers like Noveske pin their gas blocks for you. In fact the only uppers without pinned blocks that I owned are BCM and a Ballistic Advantage 10.5.