Forward Controls Design ABC/R

[GOST]

Looking like this election is the Deplorables vs the Deportables.


This needs to be a future WEVO patch.

I often get mistaken as a deportable. One time at Disney World Snow White was greeting people and telling hello as they walked by, she leaned over to me and said hola.

[SwissyJim]

Thank you guys!

Jim, you shall find his and her DEPLORABLE patch within :P

The rate at which we give them away, and the postage required to mail them mean we're losing money on these, but I don't care [BD]

You rock! I was worried she was going to confiscate mine, and I should have ordered a couple - but with her complaining on my spending lately I didn't. I can't wait to give her hers and tell her to leave mine alone [:D]
And I'll get a picture of them with my 'Everybody Sucks - We're Screwed' yard sign.

BTW, once I get my stuff back from cerakoting, I'll get pics of my Battle Kitty 458SBR with your parts on it

[Duffy]

Jim, your significant other did have a hand in you ordering it, though I suspect you didn't need any encouragement :P

My wife is finding the first paragraph of the deplorable patch product description I wrote hard to follow, so I guess I'll be rewording some of it [crazy]

[SwissyJim]

Jim, your significant other did have a hand in you ordering it, though I suspect you didn't need any encouragement :P

My wife is finding the first paragraph of the deplorable patch product description I wrote hard to follow, so I guess I'll be rewording some of it [crazy]

Very true... I was out moose hunting, and upon my return (unsuccessful, dammit) her first comment to me was not ' I love you', 'I missed you', or 'so sorry you suck as a hunter' but rather 'OMG you won't believe what Killary said...' and filled me in on the deplorables comment. I knew then I was gonna have fun with it in SOME way shape or form. Now I know it's with this patch... [:D]

[Duffy]

Her over confidence hasn't done her any favors. Calling the other guy's supporters names says she doesn't care how it's perceived, because, "at this point, what difference does it make?"

I wasn't offended, I know how we're looked at (right wing backward gun nuts), and I also know what we're made of in real life.

The patch is a fun way of showing we don't care how we're perceived by the other guys either, and we don't care for their taking what's not theirs to take.

[Deadwing]

These are awesome, Roger! These ought to go great with the Ammosexual patches Pyzik had made up last year!

[Duffy]

Thank you! Word is sure spreading fast, to places I never frequented before lol. I think you guys may have something to do with it [:D]

[Deadwing]

I guess i'd better order some before they're gone!

[Duffy]

As promised, first of many :P

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/donation_zpsxmvsdkez.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/donation_zpsxmvsdkez.jpg.html)

[GOST]

Roger did you get one of them hats?

[Duffy]

Nope I didn't, I think you have to buy it separately. Around here I'd be clubbed to death for wearing that [BD]

I'm discovering what some have been saying to be based on truth. The patches are almost completely gone within 24 hours of announcing them. There are many pissed off people that haven't made their voice heard yet, but they will on a certain November day.

[Joelski]

As promised, first of many [emoji14]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/donation_zpsxmvsdkez.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/donation_zpsxmvsdkez.jpg.html)
I got the same message.

[velocity2006]

Have been super busy, but just backordered one out of the next batch.

[titanse05]

That patch is awesome Roger!

[Duffy]

Thank you [:D]
IRREDEEMABLE patches will be here tomorrow http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Irredeemable-Patch_p_63.html

[Joelski]

Roger,

I'm looking at doing up my Recce in all AC bits, however the ABC-R is black oxide, the FA is DLC and i'm not sure what the mag release is finished in. Are these different versions and will there eventually be a consistent finish across the line, or is there a reason for the difference?

[Duffy]

Joelski, LDFA is available in black oxide like the black ABC/R. EMR and EMR-C are aluminum and anodized.

Different metals, different coatings, but the anodized EMRs are fairly close in appearance to the black oxide :)

[Joelski]

Makes sense, if I'd have taken a second to think that thtough, duh! Thanks, Roger!

Save me two of each tab for my order, please!

[Duffy]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_1657_zpsh0mpwstm.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_1657_zpsh0mpwstm.jpg.html)

[BD]

http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Irredeemable-Patch_p_63.html

[SwissyJim]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_1657_zpsh0mpwstm.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_1657_zpsh0mpwstm.jpg.html)

[BD]

http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Irredeemable-Patch_p_63.html

I think you're having fun with this! Love it!

[Duffy]

Yeah no more patches, I don't even want to do patches with our logo on them, I want to have swag that's actually useful.

This isn't what we do for a living, but like you said, we're just having fun :P

[Joelski]

Order placed!

[Deadwing]

Good stuff, Roger! I placed my order for the "Irredeemable" and backordered the "Deplorable". These are all the better given your donations to help stop the psycho hose beast from taking the White House.

[Duffy]

We'll keep making these donations from the proceeds of the patches, if the pit viper gets elected to the POTUS, we're all screwed!

In other news, dimpled ABC/R will be ready in 4 to 5 weeks ;)

[din]

In other news, dimpled ABC/R will be ready in 4 to 5 weeks ;)

Schwing!

[Duffy]

It's a long story, but we're where we want to be. Products will be reliably on schedule, and new projects are being worked on, finally. We have a host of new things to bring out, it's largely possible because of our alliance with a heretofore little known company in TX, I will tell you guys all about it.

I was thinking of making some bandanas with a subdued Forward Controls logo (Cygnus) as swag, to give to folks like you guys, and repeat customers. Patches with our logo are kind of self serving (so is anything with our logo on it), but at least bandanas can be useful.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_1659_zps1dkxsk4m.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_1659_zps1dkxsk4m.jpg.html)

[fledge]

If the TX company is SOLGW, I'm anticipating lots of good things...

I'm thinking I want a "deplorables" paint theme on a rifle now. My patch arrived today.

[Duffy]

Not sure if I can say which it is or isn't, but soon [BD]

We're anticipating lots of good things too, including things I never thought I'd get into, like uppers, lowers, etc. We're not an FFL and have no intention of becoming one, the lower, if it comes to life next year, would be sold under their name and FFL, it may just have a subdued and discreet variation of the Forward Controls logo somewhere to denote our input. The same goes for the upper, except we'll be able to sell them ourselves.

It's made possible because these folks are super nice and easy to work with, and they share our views on silly things like form follows function, customers always come first, etc.

Presently the receivers look very good as they are, we're adding our customary ergonomics and sensible touches that won't drastically change the way they look, but will make them more user friendly.

[Deadwing]

Not sure if I can say which it is or isn't, but soon [BD]

We're anticipating lots of good things too, including things I never thought I'd get into, like uppers, lowers, etc. We're not an FFL and have no intention of becoming one, the lower, if it comes to life next year, would be sold under their name and FFL, it may just have a subdued and discreet variation of the Forward Controls logo somewhere to denote our input. The same goes for the upper, except we'll be able to sell them ourselves.

It's made possible because these folks are super nice and easy to work with, and they share our views on silly things like form follows function, customers always come first, etc.

Presently the receivers look very good as they are, we're adding our customary ergonomics and sensible touches that won't drastically change the way they look, but will make them more user friendly.

I love having stuff like this to look forward to! And the bandannas are a great idea. I know i'd get some use out of them.

[Joelski]

My Saturday basket of deplorables! [:D]

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160930_120013-1.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160930_120013-1.jpg.html)

[Pyzik]

My Saturday basket of deplorables! [:D]

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160930_120013-1.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160930_120013-1.jpg.html)
Awrsome.

Hey what are those three knives that look similar?

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[Joelski]

Striders. I just pulled them for sharpening and they photobombed my pic. :)

[Deadwing]

My Saturday basket of deplorables! [:D]

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160930_120013-1.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160930_120013-1.jpg.html)

This ought to be the standard issue EDC kit for deplorables.

[Duffy]

That, and a Trump button. I think it's time we fought back and started harassing Clinton supporters on sight.

[GOST]

As much as I dislike Hillary, I do not think her supporters should be harassed. We should be a good example for them to follow and pray for them. What they want is for us to sacrifice our morals to fight with them, we are better than that. Would be nice to see America united rather than divided.

[Duffy]

You're right. The best revenge is for her to lose, there'll be enough self recrimination to go around :P

[Joelski]

I got the perfect HQ:

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/Hobbys%20abd%20Miscellaneoun/20150324_163746-1.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/Hobbys%20abd%20Miscellaneoun/20150324_163746-1.jpg.html)

[Deadwing]

As much as I dislike Hillary, I do not think her supporters should be harassed. We should be a good example for them to follow and pray for them. What they want is for us to sacrifice our morals to fight with them, we are better than that. Would be nice to see America united rather than divided.

Well said. Plus, it's just not nice to pick on folks with disabilities (i can only imagine that those who support the beast have got some sort of mental illness).

[Joelski]

One-upped! LOL!!

http://images.bigcartel.com/product_images/185956079/DA2.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000

[GOST]

That one has her name on it, I prefer Roger's patch.

[Duffy]

A few patches existed with the word deplorable in them, but I wanted something simple and direct, a Spartan, laconic approach if you will.

In my view, the patch needn't have anything else in it, just the pejorative word she used to describe us is all it needs.

Around 350 BC, King Philip II of Macedon started invading the crap out of Greece. After he had several key footholds under his command, Philip decided to start putting pressure on Sparta, and sent them the following threatening message: “If I win this war, you will be slaves forever.”

The Spartan’s sent back a single word in reply: “if”.

[Aragorn]

Because y'all didn't already know this...

Roger is awesome. I hit him up for a WEVO code last night and he hooked me up. I place my order. Got a shipping notification at 3 FREAKING AM! Who does that?!

Roger does that. Because he's awesome.

[Joelski]

Roger's so fast, I got my order before I finished hitting "send". [:D]

[fledge]

Hahaha He so awesome he puts things in my order I didn't know I needed, but did.

[Duffy]

Thank you gents! WEVO members have always supported us from the day I changed my avatar and signature to reflect my affiliation with my new company.

Please do contact me for WEVO members discount codes if you order directly from us, and mention WEVO in the comments section when checking out. You never know what gets thrown in with the order :P

[GOST]

Careful Roger they may already be obsessed with you.[BD] If your products and service get any better they may Buffalo Bill you. The Roger puts the lotion on the skin.

[Duffy]

I've observed when customers are loyal to a brand or company, it's chiefly attributed to the loyalty the brand or company shows to the customer in return. To us, this loyalty isn't a means to an end, it's not done for a reason. We're grateful and blessed, and show our appreciation with more than words.

You guys had no reason or anything to gain personally by supporting a company that nobody had seen or heard of, and I never forget that. We're still a small company, and likely to remain so by design so we never turn into a corporation staffed with bean counters and only care about profit and bottom line.

[Joelski]

The voice of experience speaks the loudest.

I always advise friends to charge "professionaly" when giving a good buddy discount, and to only work with people as enthusiastic about their craft as they, themselves are.

Doing less will turn your passion into a job you will hate.

Most people with a talent or creative streak tend to price themselves out of business when it comes to two things: friends and growth.

[Pyzik]

Yep, Roger is awesome. He's got a loyal user here.

Stock bolt release paddles just look weird to me now.

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[Tyrannosaur]

Roger's so fast he made Chuck Norris say "what the f*#k was that"? Seriously though the abc/r is amazing

[Josh S.]

Roger, got an ETA for the dimpled ABC/R's? Can't wait to get my hands on one.

[fledge]

And the AR308 version please, while you're at it.

[GOST]

Happy birthday Roger.

[Duffy]

Thank you! It's our wedding anniversary too [:D]
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/14642226_10208084979538085_7811460728709377533_n_z ps90bgs6ul.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/14642226_10208084979538085_7811460728709377533_n_z ps90bgs6ul.jpg.html)

[UWone77]

Way to cut your gifts in half Roger. [:D]

[Duffy]

Crap! [BD]
It worked out on that date, also that way I won't forget our anniversary, though leave it me to almost forget about it this year lol. Flowers already bought and on her office desk [:D]

Both serrated and dimpled, in both 223 and 308 versions, will be available. We're really behind on production, hindered by the problems of one shop after another. Thankfully, both of these will be behind us, and a reliable production schedule will be norm.

[Duffy]

Even when used in a role for which it wasn't intended, it's still better than the factory option :P Photo courtesy of Kyle Chanko.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MK8_3774_zpszr64e7mo.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/MK8_3774_zpszr64e7mo.jpg.html)

[din]

Roger, any updates on either the dimpled ABC/R or any of your projects?

[Duffy]

din,
The dimpled 223 will be prototyped next week, approved and in production soon after. This should have been done already, but we had several changes (none we could do anything about, but we're glad they happened) that impacted production and development schedule which put everything back by a few months.

But the good news is that the new ABC/Rs in any version will be nearly flawless in machining and coating. As good as the ones we've been making in the last 1.5 years so far, I could not believe the quality of the new incoming units from our partner in TX, which will be producing most, if not all of our toys.

There are no tool marks or little imperfections in machining that used to bother me sometimes, these show up in macro photography. Though they're rare, a little bit inside me dies when I see them.[BD]

[din]

Yes! I have two current SBR builds in progress that I've been wanting to use these on.

Nothing wrong with being being persnickety when your name is attached to something. I haven't noticed anything off about any of the FCD products I've purchased, but I don't really worry about that most of the time. All I care about is that they function well, and they always do. I'm super excited to see what the little embellishments are that you plan on adding to the upper receivers.

[Duffy]

There were designed to go on defense/duty/combat weapons, not for beauty contests. Even so, we can't / don't use the Soviet/Russian "crude but works" as a model [BD] A high level of fit and finish is expected of them.

About 50% of the first batch of EMRs and EMR-Cs were rejected during QC for anodizing imperfections, those were given away as swag, not sold as blemished units. Once installed, these tiny spots are completely invisible, and I don't think anyone would care. But we know they're there, and we care. When we painstakingly craft instructions cards for a magazine release button that requires no explanations and instructions, and say we pay attention to details, we show this in deeds, not just words [:)]

[Joelski]

Crap! [BD]
It worked out on that date, also that way I won't forget our anniversary, though leave it me to almost forget about it this year lol. Flowers already bought and on her office desk [:D]

Both serrated and dimpled, in both 223 and 308 versions, will be available. We're really behind on production, hindered by the problems of one shop after another. Thankfully, both of these will be behind us, and a reliable production schedule will be norm.

Just a word of warning: Don't EVER make the "It's just another day" comment so many people say in referrence to their birthdays! Of course, if your nuts went into a jar in the dresser on your weeding night, proceed.

[:D]

[Duffy]

Cool and low maintenance as my wife is, I don't think she'll be ok with me forgetting our wedding anniversary [BD]

[Duffy]

Finally! The latest prototypes that will go in production :P

These are prototypes that have some imperfections that will be worked out in production units.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ABCR%20All%20Angles_zps2lnzqjbv.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ABCR%20All%20Angles_zps2lnzqjbv.jpg.html)

The name (ABC/R) describes both serrated and dimpled paddle variations, and both 223 and 308 versions. I'm thinking about calling the dimpled version ABC/R AA for "All Angles", to contrast the serrated ABC/R paddles that are very effective at providing traction for vertical movements, but not as well when the finger access them from an angle.

[Pyzik]

Finally! The latest prototypes that will go in production [emoji14]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ABCR%20All%20Angles_zps2lnzqjbv.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ABCR%20All%20Angles_zps2lnzqjbv.jpg.html)

The name (ABC/R) describes both serrated and dimpled paddle variations, and both 223 and 308 versions. I'm thinking about calling the dimpled version ABC/R AA for "All Angles", to contrast the serrated ABC/R paddles that are very effective at providing traction for vertical movements, but not as well when the finger access them from an angle.
Hey hey! Looking cool.

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[Joelski]

I like! Any chance of a matching mag release? I know.... I want, I want, I want.

[EO3]

Any chance you'd let go of some of the prototypes for a discounted price? [BD]

[Duffy]

The mag release and LDFA were considered for similar treatment early on, but their serrations (horizontal and circular, respectively) were chosen because they are the best for their application, where dimples won't bring much benefits.

Circular serrations won't work very well on a bolt release paddles, but are versatile for the FA's plunger cap.

A later variation of ABC/R may likely see 20LPI serrations as suggested by WEVO members, because they too, are "all angles" and not biased for a single direction.

EMR-A (ambi-mag catch) will have vertical serrations due to the angle from which a user's finger will be accessing it.

Re: prototypes, we usually end up giving some away at a later date. They're not perfect, but they have sentimental values to us. I still have the very first Battle Arms ambi selector prototype made, it didn't live on to be the production model but it's one of a kind :P

[UWone77]

Finally! The latest prototypes that will go in production :P

These are prototypes that have some imperfections that will be worked out in production units.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ABCR%20All%20Angles_zps2lnzqjbv.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ABCR%20All%20Angles_zps2lnzqjbv.jpg.html)

The name (ABC/R) describes both serrated and dimpled paddle variations, and both 223 and 308 versions. I'm thinking about calling the dimpled version ABC/R AA for "All Angles", to contrast the serrated ABC/R paddles that are very effective at providing traction for vertical movements, but not as well when the finger access them from an angle.

Can't wait to try these out!

[din]

I still have the very first Battle Arms ambi selector prototype made, it didn't live on to be the production model but it's one of a kind :P

You can't tease us with something like that and not cough up a photo! Also the new ABC/Rs will be going into my next two builds.

[Duffy]

On the ABC/R AA (dimpled paddles), there are no fewer than three different dimple dimensions.
We've started to go beyond pattern uniformity to get the best results, this is the first such example.

This is a prototype ABC/R AA, and contains imperfections.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ABCRAA%20angled%20profile_zpsp8mubs08.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ABCRAA%20angled%20profile_zpsp8mubs08.jpg.html)

[din]

The only imperfection I see is that it isn't on one of my rifles.

[mustangfreek]

Damn those look good!!!

I have one of your std ones and I really like it, ..WANT..

[Pyzik]

Damn those look good!!!

I have one of your std ones and I really like it, ..WANT..
Will need.

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[velocity2006]

Looks good, nice to see it finally come into existence.

[Duffy]

Should be available for shipping next week :P

[velocity2006]

You know you want to just loose a few in a package with my mailing address on them... Then loose that in a mailbox of course.


:P

[Pyzik]

Should be available for shipping next week :P
Just in time for starting another rifle. 😈

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[Duffy]

3/4 of the ABC/R-AA (All Angles) is spoken for by Tacticalink, we won't have that many in stock this time around.

The 20LPI WEVO pattern is waiting in the queue, once we're get done with the flash suppressor, brake, gas block, and a multi-purpose sling/equipment tethering mount.

A little on the brake. I never wanted to develop a brake, all of them pretty much perform similarly enough to make functional distinction impossible. So this was done for our partner in TX, then I liked it so much we might carry it under Forward Controls brand as well. At this point, the functional part is done, we'll work on aesthetics.

[GOST]

You got any pics of the brake and other stuff?

[Duffy]

Not for the brake, you wouldn't like the way it looks now lol. The flash suppressor/comp is called 6315, and sling/dummy cord loop isn't finalized yet.

[GOST]

Look forward to seeing what they look like, especially the brake.

[Duffy]

The 6315 is a pet project, no particular reason other than I wanted it to be on my ARs and SCAR. Its dimensions and specs are based on the A2 comp, so it is compatible with sound suppressors that make use of A2s.

I have a collection of comps and brakes, and fancy flash suppressors. All were on my guns at some point, most are in a bag now, replaced by the venerable A2. I needed more, so I designed a better A2.

The 6315's wall is slightly thinner, and the slots are larger, but no longer than those on the A2, and the slots are more European than American. We are proceeding to make these, no ETA at the moment, here's a sneak preview that reveals only a small part of 6315 [BD]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Capture_zpsy3tpxty7.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Capture_zpsy3tpxty7.jpg.html)

So now the inevitable question: how does it work better than the $8 A2? Performance wise, it will be close to, and slightly better than the A2. The A2 comp itself is a masterpiece in function and reliability, so we aim straight at it as a goal to equal or surpass.

The 6315 will cost six to seven times that of the A2, but it will not work six or seven times better, that math just doesn't work in most of modern day product comparisons. But consider this, even at seven times the cost of the A2, it is still less expensive than many comps/flash suppressors in the market.

It's meant for folks that want something simple and effective, and tastefully different. For most, it won't catch and call out for attention, and is somewhat stealthy unless you look for it.

[UWone77]

Roger, I'm kind of confused on this one......

It's slightly better in performance for merely 7 times more in cost? Sounds like it'll fit right into the market place. [:D]

[din]

Can't hardly wait for the new bolt catch, hopefully I can order from you directly instead of TL since I need another Redi Catch too.

[Duffy]

My dear friend Alan's Battle Comp is $149, it doesn't work 18 times better as a comp or flash suppressor, I still like my BC 1.0 and 2.0 :) But the list only goes on from there. 8 times the cost is decidedly on the cheap side [BD]

Thus the math doesn't work, comparisons can rarely be linear.

[UWone77]

My dear friend Alan's Battle Comp is $149, it doesn't work 18 times better as a comp or flash suppressor, I still like my BC 1.0 and 2.0 :) But the list only goes on from there. 8 times the cost is decidedly on the cheap side [BD]

Thus the math doesn't work, comparisons can rarely be linear.

I've never purchased a Battle Comp.

The only muzzle devices I've purchased tend to be suppressor mounts, which are rackets in themselves, but I get you have to pay for R&D. When I'm asked what muzzle device you should buy, uneless you have a can, I always recommend the A2.

Interested to see what yours looks like.

[din]

Duffy, any chance we'll be able to get hands on one of the new AAs before Christmas?

[din]

Nevermind, just saw that they're up on your site. Order in.

[Duffy]

din, yours is the very first shipping ABC/R-AA (dimpled), I haven't announced it yet since USPS just delivered it 90 minutes ago, we're still up filling Tacticalink orders when we saw yours :P

I'll take better pics tomorrow [BD]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_1952_zpswlu9ioqm.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_1952_zpswlu9ioqm.jpg.html)

[din]

Yes!

[Pyzik]

Ooooh

https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5562/31598448302_29ee9f69b5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Q9fiNN)
FCD ABCr-AA (https://flic.kr/p/Q9fiNN) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[Josh S.]

Awesome shot David!

[Pyzik]

Awesome shot David!
Thanks sir!

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[mustangfreek]

That looks good, I need to get one

Pic is good also


Ooooh

https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5562/31598448302_29ee9f69b5_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Q9fiNN)
FCD ABCr-AA (https://flic.kr/p/Q9fiNN) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[Duffy]

As folks that have received a copy of the ABC/R-AA have most likely noticed, the texture of the dimpled ABC/R is more grainy than smooth. This batch of ABC/R-AA has been individually bead blasted to take on coating better. It's a time consuming process that doesn't yield a better performing product, it's strictly for the sake of black oxide.

Next year we're switching to black nitride coating, it'll cost us more per unit but there will not be a price increase.

[din]

Roger, I noticed on the packaging for the AA it lists Grade 2 Ti and DLC as potential options; are those in the works?

[Duffy]

17-4 SS is back on the table, Ti and DLC coated Ti are being delayed and may get cancelled. 17-4 SS is a good material for corrosion resistance, Ti is just too trendy.

But all is subject to change we may see a Ti version down the road, but we're actively working to get 17-4 ABC/R back in production again.

[UWone77]

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[SpartyME]

Any chance of a WEVO group buy?

[Pyzik]

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Your dimples seem shallower than mine. Must be the angle?

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[fledge]

Pyzik, I thought yours was a prototype. Yours also has no spacing between dots. In fact, one in the center dots looks like the wall is eroded.

[UWone77]

Any chance of a WEVO group buy?

Just PM Duffy for the WEVO code.

[Pyzik]

Pyzik, I thought yours was a prototype. Yours also has no spacing between dots. In fact, one in the center dots looks like the wall is eroded.
Nah, probably my lack of post processing skills. I had to clean up the images a bit and you're probably seeing my errors. The machining is clean.

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[Tyrannosaur]

Roger any progress in the 308 variant of the ABC/R?

[Duffy]

308 was pushed back a bit to make more ABC/R-AAs, but that batch was just delivered. Next in line is the much delayed EMR-A.

308 was going to be next, but I'm prioritizing EMR-A, it's the hardest one and takes the longest to work on, which gives our checkbook a break, we spent tons of dough on R&D this year [BD]

[Duffy]

The pic Richard posted looks like it has very shallow dimples, it appears it's just the lighting, they pretty much all look like this :P

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_2012_zpsefydcmll.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_2012_zpsefydcmll.jpg.html)

[SINNER]

That one Richard posted is clearly different. The remaining flats between the dimpling shows that.

[Duffy]

Richard, can you have a look at your ABC/R-AA and confirm?

So it appears Richard got one that's a reject, the correctly dimpled ABC/R-AAs are on their way [BD]

[Duffy]

ABC/R v2 is in production, first in 17-4 SS, available with bead blasted or polished finishes, ETA is 4 weeks.

V2 changes:

For 8620 ABC/R v2s, coating is changed to black nitrided finish, they will no longer be black oxided. It's an extra cost procedure but there will not be a corresponding increase in MSRP. 17-4 SS is available in bead blasted or polished finish.

Deletion of lightening cuts. This isn't a cost issue, in v2, the weight saving is done differently. The lightening cuts were somewhat controversial, they're not worth the machining time.

Decrease of upper paddle thickness by 10%. Upper half of the upper paddle is further tapered to better clear wildly thick upper receivers.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpsrvo3xt8d.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpsrvo3xt8d.jpg.html)

The original ABC/R (v1) will continue to be sold along side v2 units until stock is exhausted, thereafter ABC/R v2 will be the only ABC/Rs in inventory.

[Slippers]

ABC/R v2 is in production, first in 17-4 SS, available with bead blasted or polished finishes, ETA is 4 weeks.

V2 changes:

For 8620 ABC/R v2s, coating is changed to black nitrided finish, they will no longer be black oxided. It's an extra cost procedure but there will not be a corresponding increase in MSRP. 17-4 SS is available in bead blasted or polished finish.

Deletion of lightening cuts. This isn't a cost issue, in v2, the weight saving is done differently. The lightening cuts were somewhat controversial, they're not worth the machining time.

Decrease of upper paddle thickness by 10%. Upper half of the upper paddle is further tapered to better clear wildly thick upper receivers.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpsrvo3xt8d.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpsrvo3xt8d.jpg.html)

The original ABC/R (v1) will continue to be sold along side v2 units until stock is exhausted, thereafter ABC/R v2 will be the only ABC/Rs in inventory.

The taper at the top of the paddle is a nice change. Not that it affected function, but my sample hit every single upper I own, and they're all forged.

[Duffy]

Will, I've seen and heard of it. If the 10 degree (lower 50% of the upper paddle) and 15 degree (top 50% of the upper paddle) angled paddle hits the upper, how does a factory, non-angled bolt catch fare?

[Slippers]

Will, I've seen and heard of it. If the 10 degree (lower 50% of the upper paddle) and 15 degree (top 50% of the upper paddle) angled paddle hits the upper, how does a factory, non-angled bolt catch fare?

On the lower in question (which is a forged BCM), a normal bolt catch comes *very* close to hitting the upper.

It seems that QC varies wildly on lowers as far as bolt catch placement is concerned. I have a Noveske Gen 2 that only works properly if I grind off about 0.030" from the spot where the plunger contacts, or else it can't rotate enough to reliably catch the bolt.

[Duffy]

Thanks, I have a feeling this has something to do with the lower. Some lowers allow the bolt catch to pivot a great deal more than others, they still work but they will give the impression the bolt catch paddle is hard to press when the BCG is locked back, since there's more surface area in contact under spring pressure.

[Slippers]

Thanks, I have a feeling this has something to do with the lower. Some lowers allow the bolt catch to pivot a great deal more than others, they still work but they will give the impression the bolt catch paddle is hard to press when the BCG is locked back, since there's more surface area in contact under spring pressure.

Yeah, this describes my BCM lower quite well. The new v2 will probably provide enough clearance. Too bad you don't make a bolt catch for the LMT MWS. The stock one feels so clunky.

[Duffy]

We will, it keeps getting pushed back, by the v2 223 version actually [BD]

[Slippers]

We will, it keeps getting pushed back, by the v2 223 version actually [BD]

Screw the v2 223 version. Everyone knows the MWS is a much bigger market.... :)

[Duffy]

The ABC/R v2 is now quite similar to the 308 version, when it comes out I'm sending it to a few MATEN and LR308 users to play with :)

[Tyrannosaur]

Can't wait for a 308 version to be released

[Pyzik]

Can't wait for a 308 version to be released

With a .308 set coming this weekend, I am in the same boat as you. :)

[Duffy]

ABC/R v2, first to be available in 17-4 SS in walnut polished or bead blasted finish. This spring v2 will be in 8620 and black nitrided, replacing 8620 black oxided v1 units.

These ABC/R v2 in 17-4 SS are awaiting second ops.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpssagq3rou.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpssagq3rou.jpg.html)

[Deadwing]

The ABC/R v2 is now quite similar to the 308 version, when it comes out I'm sending it to a few MATEN and LR308 users to play with :)

I'm really looking forward to the 308 version. The factory MATEN part is definitely lacking.

[UWone77]

Finally had a minute to photo a couple of ABC/R's

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[Stone]

So which one do you prefer? The lines or the dimples? I had the choice a few weeks ago and decided to go with what I have on the other rifles, lines.

[Duffy]

One of my good friends is a lefty, he owns and runs The Victor Company. He was skeptical about the dimples, specifically, our reasoning behind the dimples, the "AA" aspect, but he now likes the dimpled version better :P


I don't disagree with his initial assessment (before he tried one), that since the bolt catch only pivots up or down, serrations perpendicular to these motions are best. The serrated ABC/Rs are very effective for that reason.


Military moron also stated similar sentiment.

I do find myself accessing the paddles from angles other than 0 to 180 (or perpendicular to the bore), where horizontal serrations haven't worked as well, and dimples (or other cross hatch serrations) have worked better, as the angle of approach is far less important.

We've done dimples so far, cross hatch will be coming later this year, as soon as we get ERM-A, 6315 and 1815 out to the market. So far, EMR-A and 6315 are both weeks away, so we'll be seeing the cross hatch serrated ABC/R soon, and it'll be in the ABC/R v2 form factor.

As the cross hatch idea came from WEVO, the sub category will be name accordingly, like ABC/R-WEVO or something, we haven't decided [BD]

[UWone77]

So which one do you prefer? The lines or the dimples? I had the choice a few weeks ago and decided to go with what I have on the other rifles, lines.

Honestly, when I'm manipulating the weapon, I don't notice, so I think it's whatever you like the looks of best. The increased surface area is what I can really tell that makes a difference.

[Duffy]

The cross hatch serrated ABC/R-WVO (or something close to the designation) will make it to the 308 AR version as well. With many product lines to juggle, 308 products usually get delayed in order to bring something else to the fore, but 308 ABC/R will make its appearance this year. We'll take a break on new product development while we bring all of the designed but as yet unmade projects to actual products, there are at least 2 of those that I wish I had as we head to AZ for Cola Warrior West this week: a simple, lightweight sling loop/equipment tethering point, and a compact cleaning/ramming sectional rods.

[JoshAston]

as we head to AZ for Cola Warrior West this week

Don't die. [BD]

[Duffy]

My wife will be upset with all of you if I croak :P

[fledge]

Crosshatch... no!

The 20 lpi checkering is what we want!! Make it fine like wine like a 1911 front strap.

[Tyrannosaur]

How about dragon scales... Itty bitty dragon scale texture. Joking... just waiting for that 308 sweetness to drop. I'm starting to like the dimpling...

[Duffy]

Fledge, I lumped 20 lpi in with cross hatch, cross hatch doesn't have to be of diagonal pattern [BD]

But 1911 front / rear strap pattern is what I meant but didn't specify. I don't like the diagonal cross hatch pattern. I'm not sure if 20lpi is too fine though, but may not have a choice for the lower paddle, the upper paddle has plenty of canvas area in which to work.

The dimples will grow on you. I think the pattern will look even better on a 17-4 SS ABC/R v2.

We've had so many inquiries and request for 17-4 SS ABC/Rs, we had to bring it back. The cost went through the roof so 17-4 SS ABC/R prices went up as well, but not as much as it should, we just reduced our margin to keep the prices down.

[GOST]

Roger I like Fledge's idea of 20 lpi checkering. I don't think 20 lpi would be to small, 30 lpi like on nice 1911's may be to small though. To me the other companies that have done checkering have done it for aesthetics, their checkering was to large. Checkering larger than 20 lpi doesn't provide much traction in my opinion.

[Duffy]

Uniform 20lpi would be easy, I was thinking of using different patterns for the upper and lower paddles as we had done with the dimples (2 different sizes, 3 different depths) due to the different available surface area [BD]

[din]

Guncrafter does 15 LPI checkering on some of their stuff, and I think it's just about perfect for the upper paddle. I do know that a lot of 1911 shooters have very delicate hands and complain about 20 LPI and coarser hurting their dishwater soft mitts.

Roger, can you tell us anything else about the sectional rods, e.g. material, etc?

[Duffy]

The sectional rods had been put on hold, as we couldn't make them inexpensive enough. They can be made, but they'd be too expensive and have very limited audience. As expensive as our products are, they're never intentionally so, we're a small company and have small production runs, unit cost is high.

When EMR-A, 6315 and 1815, and 308 ABC/Rs have all been made, I'd like to see about having it made, the design was completed last year. But if we can't bring it to market under a reasonable price, then it won't be made. All the while, I need to find out if there is a demand for it, I know I'd want it and find it useful, but others might disagree [BD]

[Slippers]

We were going to do a really nice sectional cleaning rod but ran into the cost issue as well, and dropped it. Hopefully you can manage it. I'll buy a couple. :)

[Duffy]

What would you guys be willing to pay (forget that you have WEVO discount for a moment) for it? It's a tough question because I can't reveal its design yet.

GI issue cleaning rods work. Rods don't need to be machined from bar stock, though it'd be nice to have an ultra straight rod when assembled, but that part isn't one of the design objectives.

[UWone77]

What would you guys be willing to pay (forget that you have WEVO discount for a moment) for it? It's a tough question because I can't reveal its design yet.

GI issue cleaning rods work. Rods don't need to be machined from bar stock, though it'd be nice to have an ultra straight rod when assembled, but that part isn't one of the design objectives.

Hard question to answer without seeing it, but I'd say somewhere in the 5x-6x over a GI Rod.

[fledge]

Roger, thanks for clarifying. Good to see the 20lpi variant is still on the table.

On a sectional cleaning rod, it may help if you throw out numbers first to see the response.

Are we talking "as good as a Sain Defense rod but at lower cost!"? I'd be interested.

[Duffy]

$250? Good god, nowhere close to that, thankfully. It's designed for combat carbines, as a ramming rod first, cleaning rod second, because it can do both.

It's not for high end target and sniper rifles, never thought about $250 rods would sell, but that may be just enough indication for us to move forward with it :D

[Slippers]

Hard question to answer without seeing it, but I'd say somewhere in the 5x-6x over a GI Rod.

This. $50 for a high quality sectional rod would be acceptable. But also don't be surprised when people complain that it's twice the price of a dewey.

[Duffy]

I'd like to keep it below $50. Some will bitch, but they aren't our target audience. We will never compete in price, only in quality and innovation.

[UWone77]

I'd like to keep it below $50. Some will bitch, but they aren't our target audience. We will never compete in price, only in quality and innovation.

$50 would be great. I never thought there would be a market for a $99 Reaction Rod, but there it is, the best upper tool in the market.

[Deadwing]

I'd like to keep it below $50. Some will bitch, but they aren't our target audience. We will never compete in price, only in quality and innovation.

I'd be in if it were in the $50 range.


$50 would be great. I never thought there would be a market for a $99 Reaction Rod, but there it is, the best upper tool in the market.

Considering how much those craptastic clamshell and other plastic/nylon vise blocks cost, $99 for a reaction rod is a relative bargain.

[UWone77]

I'd be in if it were in the $50 range.



Considering how much those craptastic clamshell and other plastic/nylon vise blocks cost, $99 for a reaction rod is a relative bargain.

Never really had any issues with the clam shells from Brownells myself. The only limitation the clamshell is if you used a billet upper. Then it was useless.

[Deadwing]

Never really had any issues with the clam shells from Brownells myself. The only limitation the clamshell is if you used a billet upper. Then it was useless.

They got the job done so long as your upper was milspec. I had (still have someplace?) a DPMS panther claw for building non-milspec uppers. Again, it did an acceptable job. But you've got to admit, the way the reaction rod works, by transferring all the torque to the barrel extension, is superior to the others (especially when trying to disassemble an upper with a stubborn barrel nut). Since getting a Geissele Reaction Rod, i haven't used either one of the others. Even my Magpul BEV block is used strictly for holding lowers. Good, quality tools are worth their weight in gold. Given the quality of everything else Roger put to market, $50 on a sectional rod would be money very well spent.

[Duffy]

When did everything become so expensive [crazy]
17-4 SS ABC/R was brought back due to demand. The cost went through the roof, we lowered our margin in order to sell them at a reasonable price. Little did I know there appears to be an acute shortage, or near total absence of SS bolt catches, and the closest thing is selling for almost $10 more than the new 17-4 SS ABC/R (in v2 guise).

I think the small run of 17-4 SS ABC/R will not last long [BD]

Re: rods, ours wasn't designed to be a system of any kind. It has a simple mission, and it never deviated from it. We're not a tool maker, this might be the only tool with our name on it. I never mentioned this project till yesterday, I should have asked you guys for opinion long ago, but timing seems to be just right, we'll finish doubling our product offering this year, and it's a good time to bring it to the fore again.

[Duffy]

We are green lighting the project. Now I need to shop for a pouch manufacturer :P

[Deadwing]

We are green lighting the project. Now I need to shop for a pouch manufacturer :P

Right on. I look forward to seeing these.

[Duffy]

The concept is super simple, it's something I've always wished I had. The pouch will be optional, but more about that later. Part of the handle tip was just redesigned with I am Dan's input. Honestly this project is so dusty I couldn't quite remember all the details until I looked at it again, based on Dan's suggestion.

There was one crucial thing I overlooked as well, the number of rods needed for a 14.5" or 16" barrel, vs that for a 20" barrel. The carbine version has one fewer rod, and that right away brings the price down to a pleasant level.[:D]

[Pyzik]

The concept is super simple, it's something I've always wished I had. The pouch will be optional, but more about that later. Part of the handle tip was just redesigned with I am Dan's input. Honestly this project is so dusty I couldn't quite remember all the details until I looked at it again, based on Dan's suggestion.

There was one crucial thing I overlooked as well, the number of rods needed for a 14.5" or 16" barrel, vs that for a 20" barrel. The carbine version has one fewer rod, and that right away brings the price down to a pleasant level.[:D]
Did i miss it, how compact will these be?
Only cleaning rigs I've ever used cam in a cleaning box (generic) and the one on an AK.

I'd love to replace the 10"x 5"x1.5" kit in my range bag with something smaller.

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[SINNER]

With the high quality bore snakes available now I thought the cleaning rod market was shrinking quickly? Other than restoring a barrel that was neglected not sure why anyone would even use a rod anymore. Especially for routine maintenance.

[Pyzik]

With the high quality bore snakes available now I thought the cleaning rod market was shrinking quickly? Other than restoring a barrel that was neglected not sure why anyone would even use a rod anymore. Especially for routine maintenance.

I don't use mine for routine maintenance but I have helped guys get stuck cases out and one guy had a squib in a class. Bore snakes don't help much there.

[IamDan]

The concept is super simple, it's something I've always wished I had. The pouch will be optional, but more about that later. Part of the handle tip was just redesigned with I am Dan's input. Honestly this project is so dusty I couldn't quite remember all the details until I looked at it again, based on Dan's suggestion.

There was one crucial thing I overlooked as well, the number of rods needed for a 14.5" or 16" barrel, vs that for a 20" barrel. The carbine version has one fewer rod, and that right away brings the price down to a pleasant level.[:D]

"Input" that's a polite way of saying I had a coherent point in the middle of a rant

[IamDan]

I don't use mine for routine maintenance but I have helped guys get stuck cases out and one guy had a squib in a class. Bore snakes don't help much there.



That's really the whole point. Stuck cases are a pain, especially when you are renting out machine guns. Getting the gun up and running again quickly is important.

[SINNER]

I use a solid brass rod for the occasional stuck case. Never did like using a threaded rod as a impact tool.

[IamDan]

I use a solid brass rod for the occasional stuck case. Never did like using a threaded rod as a impact tool.

There is nothing wrong with using threaded rods for impact, as long as you fully seat each section so you have full support at each threaded joint.

That being said I regularly use threaded fasteners for both push and pull operations. Over in a 10,000 lb load cell equiped press for doing crush and pull-apart testing of various components.

You would be surprised at the strength of a threaded fastener, especially when you have full engagement.

[Duffy]

Gents, the core mission of the SSR (it's what we're calling it for now) is a ramming rod. I don't need to clean my ARs when I'm out in the field or range, but do occasionally need to extract a stuck case, and I never have the dime a dozen el cheapo USGI cleaning rods with me because it's bulky.

So happens a rod, regardless of its reason for being in this case, can also be a cleaning rod, so the head attachment is made to do both.

[Duffy]

2015, original ABC/R design on top, ABC/R v2 (17-4 SS in this picture) below.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpsmuiibvt6.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpsmuiibvt6.jpg.html)

Upper paddle is 10% thinner and tapered to clear wide receivers, lightening cuts have been removed.

First available in 17-4 stainless steel in bead blasted or polished finish (uncoated), ABC/R v2 will be available in 8620, black nitride finish in 2 months.

[Pyzik]

2015, original ABC/R design on top, ABC/R v2 (17-4 SS in this picture) below.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpsmuiibvt6.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpsmuiibvt6.jpg.html)

Upper paddle is 10% thinner and tapered to clear wide receivers, lightening cuts have been removed.

First available in 17-4 stainless steel in bead blasted or polished finish (uncoated), ABC/R v2 will be available in 8620, black nitride finish in 2 months.

Didn't realize 10% and an angle made that much difference. Very apparent with them together.

[Duffy]

The original design's upper paddle is way thicker than it needs to be, and the weight penalty is unjustified, so it's 10% thinner. The tapering will make it more tolerant of super wide billet receivers. ABC/R was designed for milspec receivers, and 15 degree cant (instead of the straight upper paddle) was deemed adequate for these wide receivers, but apparently it wasn't. We don't usually concern ourselves with wild cat receivers and components that are way out of TDP specs, but since we were doing v2 changes, it didn't cost anything to incorporate these modifications, why not :)

[Deadwing]

2015, original ABC/R design on top, ABC/R v2 (17-4 SS in this picture) below.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpsmuiibvt6.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpsmuiibvt6.jpg.html)

Upper paddle is 10% thinner and tapered to clear wide receivers, lightening cuts have been removed.

First available in 17-4 stainless steel in bead blasted or polished finish (uncoated), ABC/R v2 will be available in 8620, black nitride finish in 2 months.

Looks good, Roger.

[Duffy]

The difference 10% thinner and tapered upper paddle makes, ABC/R v2 weighs 0.001oz more than the original design with lightening cuts. Same weight saving, more compatibility with wide receivers, and looks better to boot.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_2305_zpswrxamltc.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_2305_zpswrxamltc.jpg.html)

[UWone77]

I'm with Pyzik, I didn't think 10% would make much of a difference. Looking forward to these Roger, they look like a nice improvement over the original... not that the original had any issues IMHO.

[Duffy]

The ABC/R product improvement program is the first major redesign of the line, the lightening effort of the product has been moved to the top paddle, the thickness of which prevented the first gen ABC/Rs from being installed on a few thick receivers, and is the perfect candidate to put on a diet.

8620, black nitride coated (more durable) are already in production. Being we've had some challenges in getting the 17-4 ABC/R v2s with bead blast and polished finishes done to our satisfaction, the release schedule is closer than we had expected.

Black nitride coating costs $1 each, but MSRP of the 8620 black nitride coated ABC/R v2s remains the same as before. 17-4 ABC/R v2 MSRP has gone up to $52, but there's no helping that, we lowered the margin of 17-4 units to keep them affordable.

[Duffy]

There had been minor changes made in 2015 (sharper serrations), and major change in ABC/R v2 in 2017.

In this photo you can clearly see the flat serrations of the original ABC/R, and the far more aggressive serrations on the v2, these sharper serrations were incorporated after the first tiny batch was produced.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_2310_zpsc96zkhuw.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_2310_zpsc96zkhuw.jpg.html)

[Duffy]

17-4 SS ABC/R v2 in polished finish will be available this Saturday, back order has been enabled. Bead blasted finish will ship next week [:)]

http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/ABCR-v2-Augmented-Bolt-CatchRelease-for-AR15M16_p_77.html

[Duffy]

17-4 SS ABC/R v2 in polished finish now available http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/ABCR-v2-Augmented-Bolt-CatchRelease-for-AR15M16_p_77.html

[:D]
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ssonpaintedar_zpstc50n9nd.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ssonpaintedar_zpstc50n9nd.jpg.html)

[Pyzik]

Just waiting for the announcement of the 308 version. :D

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[Duffy]

Though .223 spec ABC/R v2 functionally checks out with DPMS LR308 pattern lowers, it's the uppers, specifically, the width of the uppers that the ABC/R's upper paddle may have problem clearing. Most of the uppers I've seen have a relief for the oval shaped bolt catch paddle. While the v2 is thinner and tapered on the back, there's no guarantee it'll clear all of them.

308 spec bolt catches have more material in some areas that I don't think does much of anything, so while there's no stopping anyone from using the v2 on a 308 receiver, they would be using it for a platform for which it was not intended.

[Pyzik]

Though .223 spec ABC/R v2 functionally checks out with DPMS LR308 pattern lowers, it's the uppers, specifically, the width of the uppers that the ABC/R's upper paddle may have problem clearing. Most of the uppers I've seen have a relief for the oval shaped bolt catch paddle. While the v2 is thinner and tapered on the back, there's no guarantee it'll clear all of them.

308 spec bolt catches have more material in some areas that I don't think does much of anything, so while there's no stopping anyone from using the v2 on a 308 receiver, they would be using it for a platform for which it was not intended.

Hmm! I do think I'll be popping this one out to see if it fits the 308 CMT set. If so, I'll leave the dimpled one on the 308 and get another standard for this rifle.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3715/33330861645_6403e19046_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/SMknWn)
CMT (https://flic.kr/p/SMknWn) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[Duffy]

The CMT upper has a generous relief / cutout for the bolt catch's upper paddle ;) DPMS's upper, not so much.

[Evintos]

Any ETA on the 8620 ABC/R v2?

[Duffy]

No ETA at the moment, but it'll be this year. As it is, ABC/R v2 works with DPMS LR308 pattern 308 ARs. This somewhat depends on the thickness of the upper receivers though, v2 has a thinner and tapered upper paddle that fits inside the DPMS LR308 upper's cutout for the bolt catch, but we haven't tested it on other 308 AR receivers like LMT and KAC.

David (Pyzik) will test a v2 on his CMT, the upper has a generous cutout for the bolt catch, I don't think it'll be a problem [:)]

[Tyrannosaur]

Which one for a Mega Maten. 308 build Roger? Final piece of the puzzle so to speak

[Duffy]

If you guys can't wait, 17-4 ABC/R v2 should work with the MATEN. The 308 bolt catch has more material where I can't see would make it stronger. 17-4 is harder than 8620, and should more than stand up to 308 use. We'll still proceed with the 308 version, at this point, it just has more metal, even the original ABC/R would have been compatible with it, but I didn't want the 308 ABC/R to have lightening cuts, which the v2 already has done away with.

[Josh S.]

Thank you once again for an outstanding product, Roger!
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4158/34461851212_581253ae99_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UvgZJu)
ABC/R v2 (https://flic.kr/p/UvgZJu) by NFI Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139771595@N03/), on Flickr

[Duffy]

Just saw the pics of the 17-4 ABC/R v2 and 6315, great pics as usual, thank you! Reminds me to start rotating our home page pics to include new products, the same ones have been there for quite a while :P

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Dem dimples though... I thought I'd share with wevo before posting elsewhere.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/44664fd81c4016d801e54d28ff9e6397.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/717521c9482c769703b7a5228a51e7f3.jpg

[Duffy]

Thank you [:D]

These dimples are hard to get right. We rejected a good percentage of the first batch, and even more on the 17-4 ABC/R v2s, as in more than 50% [BD]

[mustangfreek]

Those look great..

[tact]

Personally, I think two different sizes of dimples makes it look odd.

[UWone77]

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[fledge]

Love that shot, UW. Bold and beautiful.

[Duffy]

Here's an old 17-4 SS ABC/R v1 with EMR-A. It also shows off the EMR-A's standard lever with its multi-contoured shape. 17-4 SS ABC/R v2 has been out since April, 8620 black nitrided v2 will be available in 2 to 3 weeks ;)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/emralance_zps5s9lecle.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/emralance_zps5s9lecle.jpg.html)

[UWone77]

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[Duffy]

7.62mm ABC/R coming out this Summer.

7.62mm ABC/R is based on the new, 2017 ABC/R v2, it's compatible with LR308 patterned receivers. As the 7.62mm ABC/R was never made available in v1 format, 7.62mm ABC/R doesn't carry a v2 moniker.

ABC/R v2 for 5.56mm did away with the lightening cuts, and has a 10% thinner, and tapered upper paddle. 7.62mm ABC/R never had any lightening cuts to begin with, so it simply inherited 5.56mm ABC/R v2's new paddle design. This was done to save a bit of weight, but mostly to make it more compatible with thick billet receivers.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/7.62mmabcr_zpsyvzmopxh.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/7.62mmabcr_zpsyvzmopxh.jpg.html)

Production version is 8620 heat treated, black nitrided 8620, with either serrated or dimpled paddles. No plans to offer 17-4 SS 7.62mm ABC/R at the moment, but it's a possibility.

For upper receivers with a generous bolt catch cutout, 7.62mm ABC/R will work beautifully. On a DPMS receiver with an oval cutout for a factory bolt catch, the thinner and tapered upper paddle will clear it as well.

[fledge]

Great to see. What differences are there between the 556v2 and the new 7.62 version? In your description it sounds like the same piece.

[Duffy]

7.62mm has more material on the "shelf" the mag follower pushes up and pivots the bolt catch. There's also a notch in the corner of the 7.62mm version.

I'm not certain what the extra material there does, as the mag follower works with the 5.56mm ABC/R already. The notch's purpose is similarly unknown to me, maybe a bit of weight saving.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/7.62_zpsg8bpfqlp.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/7.62_zpsg8bpfqlp.jpg.html)

5.56mm ABC/R v2 works with LR308 pattern receivers, and I'm pretty sure the 7.62mm ABC/R works with 5.56mm receivers as well.

[Tyrannosaur]

Damn can't wait for that .308 version. I'm holding g out

[fledge]

Thanks, Duffy, for the explanation. I'll be in line when it's released.

[Jerry R]

Duffy, thank you for the Father's Day sale. I ordered a 17-4 SS ABC/R v2 polished and dimpled. I know they are not in yet, but looking forward to receiving it when available.

[Duffy]

Thank you Jerry, we do have polished dimpled 17-4 SS ABC/R v2, it's the bead blasted, dimpled 17-4 we don't have yet [BD]

I'm glad you mentioned your order, I just opened up your package to throw extra swag in it ;)

[Duffy]

Thank you!
DPMS originally used AR15 spec bolt catches on the LR308. The subsequent 7.62mm specific bolt catch is somewhat different, in that it has more material on the aforementioned "shelf" which doesn't appear to have much of a purpose, and the notch in the corner.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Untitled_zpsjdmxizfk.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Untitled_zpsjdmxizfk.jpg.html)

The rear leading edges of the upper paddle slightly come in contact with the DPMS's upper receiver, not enough to make any difference other than it'll make two minor scratches. We will make this fully known in the product description.

There is no way to guarantee it'll work with every LR308 pattern upper receiver in the market, I'm beginning to suspect why there's such an absence of 3rd party 7.62mm AR bolt catches [crazy]


Thanks, Duffy, for the explanation. I'll be in line when it's released.

[SINNER]

I've been running the 5.56 version on two .308 platforms. 0 issues or unusual wear marks after about 250 rounds through 1 and maybe 600 through the other.

[Duffy]

Sinner, v1 or v2, and what brand of upper receiver?

We know v1 works if there's a large enough of a bolt catch cutout on the upper receiver, even with the original thicker upper paddle design. Never tried a v1 on a DPMS LR308 upper though.

[Jerry R]

Duffy, thanks for the SWAG - very much appreciated [adore]

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3702&d=1498065559

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3712&d=1498150186

http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3711&d=1498150140

[Duffy]

Thank you, I hope you like it! 17-4 SS ABC/R v2 is about to go out of stock, most of the polished, serrated 17-4 SS ABC/R v2s went to Tacticalink, and it'll be months before we have them in stock again, I'm glad you got yours [:D]

[SINNER]

Sinner, v1 or v2, and what brand of upper receiver?

We know v1 works if there's a large enough of a bolt catch cutout on the upper receiver, even with the original thicker upper paddle design. Never tried a v1 on a DPMS LR308 upper though.

Completely missed this. Mega Maten's and not sure on the version. One of them is the one you gave me that looks like a blasted finish.

[Duffy]

If it has two lightening cuts, it's v1. If not, it's v2 ;)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/IMG_2305_zpswrxamltc.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/IMG_2305_zpswrxamltc.jpg.html)

[Duffy]

8620, heat treated, black nitrided ABC/R v2 with either serrated or dimpled paddles is now available :P
308 version to follow in a month or so.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrv2_zpscxjzv9k2.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrv2_zpscxjzv9k2.jpg.html)

[Tyrannosaur]

Need one of these 308 versions. Could someone let me know what the WEVO discount Is?

[Evintos]

http://i.imgur.com/gJBmoha.jpg

FCD - EMR-A Standard, ABC/R V2 Serrated.
2A Armament Balios Lite Gen 1 Receiver set

[GOST]

Great looking rifle, the 2A and FCD go well together.

[Duffy]

We're running a sale this weekend, code is SBCG [:D]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/20663992_738899949645070_2524849245254895899_n_zps 0utgor6g.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/20663992_738899949645070_2524849245254895899_n_zps 0utgor6g.jpg.html)


Need one of these 308 versions. Could someone let me know what the WEVO discount Is?

[Evintos]

http://i.imgur.com/AZsEF8U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XzOnKSD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8Tnq1LU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NBw5JLg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2R5jazu.jpg

ABC/R V2 556 version on a 2A Armament Xanthos - great fit!

Also shown EMR-A standard length.

[UWone77]

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[Pyzik]

V2 installed. Really bummed the ambi mag release didn't work on the 308. :(

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4343/37088676525_8b58a124ee_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Yvpao6)
FCD ABCr (https://flic.kr/p/Yvpao6) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[Duffy]

Oh well, you'll have another receiver that doesn't stray from the original spec I'm sure [BD]

EMR-A relies on the mag well to not deviate too much from the TDP specs. The Magpul/ARFCOM style "finger rest" isn't compatible with it.

[Pyzik]

Oh well, you'll have another receiver that doesn't stray from the original spec I'm sure [BD]

EMR-A relies on the mag well to not deviate too much from the TDP specs. The Magpul/ARFCOM style "finger rest" isn't compatible with it.

Yes I will (and do). Just haven't put it together yet. Somehow I keep getting new, fancier rifles that I jump on. :D

[Duffy]

We'll be introducing 2 new products this fall, the least expensive and most expensive in the line up. SBCG is coming along and near completion, it is the most expensive product that bears our name, and the other one you know about that costs $2 :P Both are pretty fancy I guess, though that's the last thing on my mind, I'd hate for our products to be called fancy [bash]

[GOST]

I'd hate for our products to be called fancy [bash]

Roger, we'll just call you Fancy then.[BD]

[Duffy]

Noooooo [wow]

[Slippers]

Fancy Controls Design.

[GOST]

I like, Cygnus needs a gold chain added to the logo.

[Duffy]

Nooooo [wow]

How about Fashion Controls Design? [BD]

SBCG's taking longer because we rejected the size of the logo on the carrier, it was too big and ostentatious. We're not out here selling a brand, the logo needs to be far more discreet and small, or not be there at all, the logo has no active role other than an identifier. We'll laser engrave it so the lines can be thin and the size between 0.25 and 0.35.

That's about as much fashion as I can handle ;)

[Slippers]

You should sell the first ones that have the big logo with a gold embossed card that says Fabulous Controls Design. Hee hee!

[Joelski]

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[Duffy]

The first one was just a rendering. I had specified that it be no larger than 0.25 in diameter, the logo ended up being 0.45 [crazy]
Thanks to Gost's urging today, we'll get off our butts and start working on the upper project again, both with and without FA, which goes along with our SBCG project nicely :P

[UWone77]

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[UWone77]

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[Duffy]

I need to send you the current production AB/R-AA to replace the one you have :P

These dimples were a pain to get right, the dimple pattern on the current version is larger and more closely positioned dimples, they're at at a point where they offer even more traction than serrations, even at serrations' optimal access angle.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/762abcr2_zpschp1sixe.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/762abcr2_zpschp1sixe.jpg.html)

EMR-A, AA (All Angles) will be out later this month to complement ABC/R-AA.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/EMR-A%20AA%20LP_zpsv3grn3gb.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/EMR-A%20AA%20LP_zpsv3grn3gb.jpg.html)

[UWone77]

Heh, the joke is on me. I thought I was running the current version. [BD]

[Duffy]

There were some inconsistencies with the dimples as pointed out by others last year during their introduction. These were simply tossed or returned to the shop, not too many of them made it out, we were hand picking each and every dimpled bolt catch after we realized the inconsistencies.

These inconsistencies have been eliminated :)

[Pyzik]

Dimples.
I actually need to pic up another serrated so I can put the dimples on my .308.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4699/28341822419_b5c51e1399_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/KbtfoF)
SPR (https://flic.kr/p/KbtfoF) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[UWone77]

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[Duffy]

Customer submitted pic :P

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/30550908_316032775593318_1706547608_o_zpson8dafmb. jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/30550908_316032775593318_1706547608_o_zpson8dafmb. jpg.html)

[cjd3]

Really looking into going all AA on my next build. Any time frane when they will be available on the SLCF?

[Duffy]

We're working to buy some serrated and dimpled v2s back from dealers that have more than they need and can part with some, so SLCF will be back in stock again in a week or so, with serrated and dimpled ABC/R v2 options [BD]

Speaking of AA, the dimpled surface took a little more than a year to become popular. For a long time, serrated outsold dimpled by a large margin. Then in 2018, folks realized the AA surface has more traction than serrated, and is more versatile, the initial resistance to change the classic horizontal serrations melted away for them.

We made our projections based on existing sales numbers, and due to the popularity of the serrated surface (on bolt catches and ambi mag releases), we didn't order that many dimpled units, which combined with the AA's surge in demand, will mean a constant shortage till we catch up on dimpled production mid 2018.

[Joelski]

Roger, you need in stock alerts! I've been looking, but every time they come in stock, I've found something else to blow my stupid money on. [:D]

[Duffy]

Ammozone still has quite a few serrated in stock :P

[UHF3]

Ammozone still has quite a few serrated in stock :PThey have two less now.

Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

[Duffy]

Thank you ;)

[UWone77]

Roger you coming to TRIGGRCON this year?

[Duffy]

Neat pic :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/FCDshotglass_zpslkiknxpa.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/FCDshotglass_zpslkiknxpa.jpg.html)

Re: Triggercon, we now have enough products to justify a booth, but I'm just obstinate and don't like going to trade shows. We don't have any booth equipment, not even a banner. If we do go, I won't want a folding table with a woobie draped over it, but a proper setup. Being I don't like running a booth, or just walking the floor even, the chances of us being in a trade show, even something as awesome as Triggercon, are remote.

It'd be nice to see you guys, but we can do that in other venues (not in SHOT, I made my last appearance in 2015 and don't plan on going again), we have too many new products in development and production, my focus is on these guys [BD]

[UWone77]

I still feel OG with the dimples!

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[DISCOM]

I still feel OG with the dimples!

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I will see your bolt catch and raise you a upper. . . [BD]

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[UWone77]

I will see your bolt catch and raise you a upper. . . [BD]



Heh, I'm too cheap to buy anymore AR stuff. [:D]

Cool NTD Lower.... especially since they're not making them anymore.

[Duffy]

Are they in business still?

[UWone77]

Are they in business still?

Just making small parts and barrels. Also OEM for your old com padres at BAD.

[Duffy]

Yeah if George was more active he might tell you a thing or two, but you know the story.

The reason FCD has seen such a growth in product offerings in 2018 has to do with easy access to competent and reasonable shops that can prototype and manufacture our designs. We don't make any secret about the fact we're primarily an R&D company, we don't make anything in house.

BTW, ABC/R v3 has been finalized. V2 has ceased production, v3 will be the mainstay once it goes to production later this year.

You guys remember the post where I asked for things you wanted to see? Nobody posted anything, but v3 has some cool changes. The most obvious is its lower paddle, it has more surface area, but it won't interfere with an ambi mag catch [:D]

[PJD642]

Happy to see that the SBCG (http://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com/SBCG_p_132.html) now has a placeholder on the site....

[Duffy]

More than half has been allocated for OEM and dealer commitment, if we had enough capital, we'd start another run already. I predict they'll be sold out in one day lol.

[PJD642]

Just remember to drop me a line when they're available, eh?

[fledge]

Would like to see a pic of the v3. I like the v2 narrow lower paddle.

[Duffy]

I've posted in in private FB groups, didn't want to post it on public forums lest outfits like Strike would steal it and come to market first, but we're pretty close to production, so here it is.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ABCRv3_zpsiqtirdis.png (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ABCRv3_zpsiqtirdis.png.html)

[UWone77]

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[UWone77]

Tried to Jam as much FCD as possible

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[Duffy]

Thank you :) ABC/R v3 will be available in couple of months.