Forward Controls Design ABC/R

[GOST]

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ABC/R (Augmented Bolt Catch/Release) with its angled and larger top paddle and lower paddle with increased surface area, is purpose designed for use with AR15/M16 receivers equipped with ambidextrous magazine releases. Specifically, it is designed to address the difficulty with accessing the factory bolt catch's lower paddle with an ambidextrous magazine catch, such as Norgon's Ambi-Catch, on the receiver. Many of the ambidextrous mag release's lower paddle is on the same vertical plane as the factory bolt catch lower paddle, making identification difficult by feel, especially with a gloved hand.

The ABC/R's chief effort is focused on that single issue. The lower paddle protrudes further, and is angled at 10 degree to give it even more surface area. These measures put the lower paddle and Ambi-Catch's paddle on different vertical planes. That done, we worked on the top paddle. While we don't use it ourselves, preferring to pull back on the charging handle instead to load and reload, we do recognize far more users use it, so the ABC/R's top paddle made slightly larger, and given a 5 degree angle at the lower 50%, and 10 degree angle at the upper 50% cant. The angled paddle makes it easier for the palm or thumb to access.

The notch immediately above the ABC/R’s lower paddle isn’t there by accident. As you run your finger down the bolt catch towards the lower paddle, the notch is meant to provide tactile feedback to indicate the beginning of the lower paddle. It is important be able to differentiate one control surface from another, all without diverting one's gaze to it. The

ABC/R's weight (0.445 oz) has been kept close to that of the factory bolt catch (0.401 oz) to avoid over tasking the spring.

Made from billet 17-7 stainless steel and Melonite coated, the ABC/R is proudly designed and made in the USA.

http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com

[GOST]

In-stock at Rainier Arms.

http://www.rainierarms.com/forward-controls-design-abc-r

[mustangfreek]

These look very nice ..next lower will need one of these..

[Deadwing]

I just ordered a couple to try out. These looks like they will be my new favorite.

[Tyrannosaur]

In-stock at Rainier Arms.

http://www.rainierarms.com/forward-controls-design-abc-r

Thank you for the heads up Gost

[Duffy]

Thank you GOST for posting the ABC/R :)

I can get a bit wordy in product description, because there's always so much that went into each product. Even so, there's a lot of information I had to omit in order to not make the description into a wall of text.

I go into greater detail in the Design in Focus section, please visit this page for info on design goals and execution :) http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Design-in-Focus_ep_45.html

[SINNER]

These are a fantastic upgrade over the stock design. Even more of an improvement with a ambi mag release. No more fighting to engage the bolt catch with the improved angle and height on these. Flawless in fit and finish.

http://i1167.photobucket.com/albums/q638/DonaldFink1/image.jpg1_zps9io52avh.jpg

[Duffy]

Thank you very much Sinner! :D

HVA's AMR paddle is thicker than that of the Norgon Ambi-Catch, we're collaborating on a new design with different paddles that use the same base. With the current HVA AMR, the notch above the ABC/R's bottom paddle can be used to press down to lock the carrier :)

[AaronP220]

I have them on all my AR's w/ Norgon Ambi Releases. This is a fantastic bolt catch. I was designing my own until Roger released this.

http://imgur.com/a/BWSmc

[Duffy]

I'd love to see your design :D

[Mecha_Arms]

I have a lower with a Norgon that currently has the Seekins Bolt Catch. I might have to do a Pepsi Challenge.

[titanse05]

ABC/R and EMR-C installed on my Rainier Arms RUC. Real nice additions.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee318/titanse05/Gun%20stuff/20150426_120024_zpszabvq0rd.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee318/titanse05/Gun%20stuff/20150426_120032_zpsxpqqltdf.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee318/titanse05/Gun%20stuff/20150426_12052901_zpsoutujw1q.jpg

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[SINNER]

Thank you very much Sinner! :D

HVA's AMR paddle is thicker than that of the Norgon Ambi-Catch, we're collaborating on a new design with different paddles that use the same base. With the current HVA AMR, the notch above the ABC/R's bottom paddle can be used to press down to lock the carrier :)

Perhaps this will address the clearance issue on the Mega MaTen as well?

[AaronP220]

I'd love to see your design :D

I assume I already have your email. Might send you some screen shots. :D


I have a lower with a Norgon that currently has the Seekins Bolt Catch. I might have to do a Pepsi Challenge.

I replaced my Seekins with the FCD. FCD wins.

[Duffy]

Titan, is that a bump I see on the third serration on the EMR-C? If it is, we should replace it, please email me roger@starsforward.com :)

We have the 308 spec bolt catch graciously donated by Richard Kim, and will be working on a 308 version of the ABC/R :D

[titanse05]

Titan, is that a bump I see on the third serration on the EMR-C? If it is, we should replace it, please email me roger@starsforward.com :)

We have the 308 spec bolt catch graciously donated by Richard Kim, and will be working on a 308 version of the ABC/R :Dlol......That would be H2O that has long since evaporated.

[Duffy]

Good to hear it wasn't a defect :)

[Duffy]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/MJabcr4_zpspam1c9jk.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/MJabcr4_zpspam1c9jk.jpg.html)

:)

[SINNER]

Wow. That is an awesome photo.

[Duffy]

Mark is a great photographer :)

ABC/R gallery page updated with customer/fan/reviewer pics :) http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/ABCR-Gallery_ep_49-1.html

[titanse05]

Roger, feel free to use my pictures if you wish.

[Duffy]

Thank you, I will! :D

http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/ABCR-Gallery_ep_49-1.html

[Duffy]

The new ABC/R-F (forged) is now shipping to distributors and dealers today :D
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/F_zpsw0x3rgru.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/F_zpsw0x3rgru.jpg.html)

The uncoated version at 12 o'clock is only available through Tacticalink, it's the same material (17-4 stainless steel), deburred, and of a dull silver finish.

The ABC/R (billet) version will be available again later this year :)

[mustangfreek]

Very nice..

Next lower i want to try one of these bad boys..

[velocity2006]

They are excellent, been loving mine.

[Duffy]

The latest ABC/R and ABC/R-F (forged) have sharper upper paddle serrations to provide better traction.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrf_zpswqodlk5f.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrf_zpswqodlk5f.jpg.html)

Most of the ABC/R-Fs are Melonite coated black, there are a few uncoated units out as well, Tacticalink will have the uncoated ABC/R-F this weekend.

The uncoated units look pretty good, even on a camo painted AR :)
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/abcrfoncamo_zpsktageqer.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/abcrfoncamo_zpsktageqer.jpg.html)

[DutyUse]

I dig it. Once my stash of seekins runs out I'll pick some up to try. Honestly didn't know these existed

[Duffy]

They were available in such small numbers, but there are some reviews out already :)
Here's military moron's http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/ar.access5.html#fcd

[Tyrannosaur]

Just got a back in stock notice that Rainier Arms has these back in stock

[Duffy]

I'd love to see more reviews and opinions from you guys :)

The ABC/R and ABC/R-F are both expensive to produce. War Sport produces the ABC/R-F and the initial small batch of ABC/R for us, the forged version shares a common forging with the bolt catch War Sport produces for itself http://warsport-us.com/shop/war-sport-manufactured-components/war-sport-lvoa-bolt-catch-in-the-white-64.html#.VfLzXijGIWE

The ABC/R-F is considerably more complex to machine than the War Sport version, it's more complex than any bolt catch in the market I think [BD] But every angle and cut has a reason and purpose, very little of the machine time is spent on looks :P

[Dstrbdmedic167]

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b548/Dstrbdmedic167/FCD%20ABC-R_zpsoqmtl6ea.jpg

[toolboxluis00200]

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b548/Dstrbdmedic167/FCD%20ABC-R_zpsoqmtl6ea.jpg

That looks nice

[Duffy]

Though it's completely coincidental, the ABC/R seems to look like it was specifically designed for pretty much any billet receiver it gets matched with :)

[velocity2006]

Any plans to do an ABC/R with any other textures? (Thinking about being able to match other lower parts installed on some ambi billet lowers.) Would be stoked on one that is golfballed.

[Duffy]

No other serrations at the moment, as the horizontal serrations are very effective for the paddles. Let me talk to Dennis at San Tan to see if he wants do dimple the ABC/R for his own use, I can send him some without the serrations, or he can dimple production units as he does the factor bolt catches he uses now.

[Cotton68spc]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/20/9a58a4546301fa16585a6f2f3a0e3b86.jpg

I can tell you that I used to avoid BC like the plague to me the normal catch is useless and I don't like the BAD type levers , so I would just run the charging handle
Your product has changed that the paddle is the right side and the angle on the bottom paddle is just right to make finding it with my finger very natural


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[velocity2006]

No other serrations at the moment, as the horizontal serrations are very effective for the paddles. Let me talk to Dennis at San Tan to see if he wants do dimple the ABC/R for his own use, I can send him some without the serrations, or he can dimple production units as he does the factor bolt catches he uses now.

Would love to get my hands on one of those if he does a run.

[Duffy]

Left a message for Dennis :)

The design called for the bottom paddle to be easily accessible when an ambi mag catch like the Norgon Ambi-Catch is present. The bottom paddle's angle and increase in surface area (close to 3X more than the factory bolt catch) deal with that. The upper paddle is also angled 10 + 15 degree to make it easier to use with a palm or finger when the bolt carrier is locked back.

Though low light and no light operations weren't taken into consideration at the time (they were not design goals,) that the paddles can be easily found and manipulated without a visual has benefits for these conditions as well. The user can run his finger on the receiver and easily discern the bolt catch from other control surfaces, without having to divert a glance at it. Which also means finding and manipulating the bolt catch is faster than before, as the user no longer wastes time fumbling to find the upper or lower paddle.

The ABC/R-F shares the same forging with War Sport's bolt catch (War Sport makes the ABC/R-F for us), these are, to my knowledge, the only two forged bolt catches in the market.

[Slippers]

Got to try out the ABC/R on one of Dstrbrd's rifles on Sunday. Definitely like it. I have never been one to go beyond the mil-spec controls, but I'd definitely use these bolt catches.

Wish all your parts weren't named with acronyms, too. :)

[Duffy]

Re: naming convention, it's easier to call them by their acronyms. Augmented / Angled Bolt Catch / Release is a mouthful, nothing sexy about it, it's just utilitarian.

I guess it sort of reflects on how I run the company, simple, effective and without drama. Duty grade stuff sans catchy names and scantly clad women [BD]

This is not to say I disapprove anyone that does it differently, if it helps them sell stuff, good for them. I did not like the product name BAD-ASS in my previous company, even if it's catchy, I only tolerated it because it is itself an acronym.

[Joelski]

A cross hatch would be nice to match up with the CMT stuff, just sayin'! :)

[Slippers]

Re: naming convention, it's easier to call them by their acronyms. Augmented / Angled Bolt Catch / Release is a mouthful, nothing sexy about it, it's just utilitarian.

I guess it sort of reflects on how I run the company, simple, effective and without drama. Duty grade stuff sans catchy names and scantly clad women [BD]

This is not to say I disapprove anyone that does it differently, if it helps them sell stuff, good for them. I did not like the product name BAD-ASS in my previous company, even if it's catchy, I only tolerated it because it is itself an acronym.

No offense was intended, hence the smiley face at the end of my post. Sorry if it came across as serious criticism. I really like the parts you make. I run my company the same way - simple, straight forward. We don't have catchy names or scantily clad women in our ads, either.

Edit: I'm not sure how it went from acronyms to scantily clad women, anyways!

[Duffy]

But does it work as well as horizontal serrations? The angle of approach (of the finger and palm) plays a role in this.

I am looking into having the billet ABC/R sport dimples instead of the original serrations, to differentiate it from the ABC/R-F (forged), but only if the dimples offer equivalent or better traction.

[Duffy]

Slippers, not at all, sorry if my reply came across as defensive, you may have known me from my Battle Arms days and that I take criticism and suggestions very well :P I appreciate all the advice you guys can give me, it's not easy to get better without it.

BTW, please send me an email and I will send you some parts to play with, professional courtesy and all that [:D]

roger@starsforward.com

Thank you :)

[Joelski]

Dimples are awesome.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/Guns%20and%20Knives/Strider%20Knives/Strider%20SnG%20GG/20150312_131432.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/Guns%20and%20Knives/Strider%20Knives/Strider%20SnG%20GG/20150312_131432.jpg.html)

[toolboxluis00200]

Slippers, not at all, sorry if my reply came across as defensive, you may have known me from my Battle Arms days and that I take criticism and suggestions very well :P I appreciate all the advice you guys can give me, it's not easy to get better without it.

BTW, please send me an email and I will send you some parts to play with, professional courtesy and all that [:D]

roger@starsforward.com

Thank you :)

Lucky!!!!!!!

[Duffy]

There's enough material in the upper paddle for dimpling, but I'm not sure about the serrations below the top paddle, and the lower paddle is too narrow to have the same dimples, it might look weird.

[titanse05]

I find that the serrations are more useful than any other patterns. A special run is one thing but I think that the ABC/R is perfect as is and retain the serrations.

[Duffy]

I think the aesthetics alone might be enough to put a halt on it. The ABC/R's serrations run on the top and bottom paddle, they also extend further down below the top paddle a bit. That section and the bottom paddle won't have the same kind of dimples, the whole look may appear inconsistent and messy.

Let's see if Dennis gets back to me and would be interested in taking this on..

[velocity2006]

I just think having options for it would be a good move. I generally build out a lower with small parts that match the existing small parts. I don't think there is anything wrong with the design, it was not my initial reason for asking. If anything you currently offer the best catch/release on the market.

It would simply be options for aesthetics, however I don't think that changing from the horizontal serrations would deter from it's function. I think the surface areas are large enough to be beneficial over a milspec with whatever surface you would put.

[Duffy]

If anyone wants to butcher one of the first ABC/Rs (billet) to try the dimples, I'll send it your way. The newer units have sharper and better serrations on the top paddle, so I don't plan on selling the few first run units left :)

If dimples offer as good, or better grip and traction, it still doesn't address that we'll have dimples AND serrations on the bolt catch. Unless we have larger dimples on top, and smaller dimples elsewhere.

[toolboxluis00200]

If I had a dremil. I. Take. U up on that offer

[Joelski]

I just think having options for it would be a good move. I generally build out a lower with small parts that match the existing small parts. I don't think there is anything wrong with the design, it was not my initial reason for asking. If anything you currently offer the best catch/release on the market.

It would simply be options for aesthetics, however I don't think that changing from the horizontal serrations would deter from it's function. I think the surface areas are large enough to be beneficial over a milspec with whatever surface you would put.

This. I kinda wish my Rainier/CMT lower came with serrated controls instead of the cross hatched design.

[velocity2006]

Forgive the crappy mspaint cad skills, but this is kind of the idea of the drill pattern. Obviously the upper part of the paddle would be even and tighter than my pattern, but around that size of dimpling I think would work really well on it.

I do agree that a crosshatch would be nice to match the Mod 3 lowers.

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt300/VI2006/Misc/1_zpsp0g6raxs.jpg

[Duffy]

Had a talk with Dennis at San Tan Tactical today, and will be sending him some samples for testing [:D]

[Duffy]

Just a quick follow up, the dimpled ABC/R is being worked on, I think you guys will like what you see.

Meanwhile, the ABC/R-F has a new finish option: polished :P

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/polished3_zps4b9nam1b.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/polished3_zps4b9nam1b.jpg.html)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Polished2_zpsee20adqj.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Polished2_zpsee20adqj.jpg.html)

[Deadwing]

I can't see the photos. When i click on them, i get the "sorry, this person moved or deleted this image" thingy. :/

[titanse05]

So will the serrated version be replaced by the dimpled version or simply an option?

[Josh S.]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Polished1_zpsgbo95wmf.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Polished1_zpsgbo95wmf.jpg.html)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/polished3_zps4b9nam1b.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/polished3_zps4b9nam1b.jpg.html)

[Deadwing]

I can see those. WTF, over... Thanks, Josh.

Looking good, Roger!

[Josh S.]

I've always stuck to either black or FDE parts for my AR's, but I'm thinking a polished ABC/R would go very nicely with some Rainier titanium takedown pins, nickel BCG, and stainless barrel for my new SMOS build. Decisions, decisions....

[DutyUse]

I'm really looking forward to trying out the ABC/R-F's on some new builds. I personally like the melonite coated ones, but I can see a polished one looking nice on some builds.

If I didn't have so many Seekins bolt catches I would switch over all my rifles to the FCD ones.

[Deadwing]

I'm really looking forward to trying out the ABC/R-F's on some new builds. I personally like the melonite coated ones, but I can see a polished one looking nice on some builds.

If I didn't have so many Seekins bolt catches I would switch over all my rifles to the FCD ones.

My Seekins bolt catches are collecting dust in my parts bin, some unopened and never used. They just don't do it for me. I like the Armalite bolt catches better, or even the good old milspec ones. The ABC/R-F is my new favorite though.

[DutyUse]

My Seekins bolt catches are collecting dust in my parts bin, some unopened and never used. They just don't do it for me. I like the Armalite bolt catches better, or even the good old milspec ones. The ABC/R-F is my new favorite though.

Sounds familiar...

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/14/e1b50a1dd85a0550adac1a2e3bd693de.jpg

I really should go through my parts and sell some stuff... Or better idea have a giveaway :)

[Deadwing]

Sounds familiar...

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/14/e1b50a1dd85a0550adac1a2e3bd693de.jpg

I really should go through my parts and sell some stuff... Or better idea have a giveaway :)

Giveaways are always fun. But then, so is cash. [:D]

[mustangfreek]

Nice pile of seekins goods there..need an address for one of them... lol

I did get a abc/r in the mail to try out, like the looks so far

[Tyrannosaur]

I would be interested in a couple seekins bolt catches... if you sell em let me know

[DutyUse]

Nice pile of seekins goods there..need an address for one of them... lol

I did get a abc/r in the mail to try out, like the looks so far

PM your address and I'll get one to you.


I would be interested in a couple seekins bolt catches... if you sell em let me know

Shoot me a PM, I'd be willing to sell the whole lot

[Duffy]

Sorry Deadwing, I had deleted the original pics (with incorrect finish description, should be just polished, not brushed / polished) and didn't update the original post [BD]

[Duffy]

Attention to detail isn't just about the product. We include instructions with every product we produce. On the ABC/R, we had to be as succinct as possible due to the available space on the back of the card.

Even on the EMR and EMR-C, there are installation instructions printed on the back of the card (stuff like about 8 turns before the tip of the shaft is even with the top surface of the mag release button)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/instructions_zpsdrwqegpt.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/instructions_zpsdrwqegpt.jpg.html)

I doubt if anyone here needs instructions, I think it is the manufacturers' responsibility to include easy to understand and detailed instructions regardless.

[titanse05]

So will the serrated version be replaced by the dimpled version or simply an option????

[Duffy]

ABC/R-F (forged) will continue as you see them today, and for 5.56mm ARs only.

ABC/R (billet) will undergo cosmetic changes (dimples replacing horizontal serrations), and for both 5.56mm and hopefully 7.62mm ARs soon.

So if you want serrations, go with ABC/R-F. If you want dimples, go with ABC/R :P

The dimpled version is still being tested. I'll show you guys pics once I have them ;)

[velocity2006]

Cool, looking forward to seeing how the dimpled ones turned out.

[Duffy]

It will resemble what you illustrated on page 4 in many respects [:D]

[titanse05]

ABC/R-F (forged) will continue as you see them today, and for 5.56mm ARs only.

ABC/R (billet) will undergo cosmetic changes (dimples replacing horizontal serrations), and for both 5.56mm and hopefully 7.62mm ARs soon.

So if you want serrations, go with ABC/R-F. If you want dimples, go with ABC/R :P

The dimpled version is still being tested. I'll show you guys pics once I have them ;)Good deal.

[Deadwing]

Sorry Deadwing, I had deleted the original pics (with incorrect finish description, should be just polished, not brushed / polished) and didn't update the original post [BD]

No problem, Roger. I thought it was me, since i was viewing on my phone and having trouble seeing pics in other threads as well.

Regarding the 7.62 version, will it be compatible with the Mega MATEN platform? And will it be available with serrations (dimples aren't my thing)?

[gatordev]

Regarding the 7.62 version, will it be compatible with the Mega MATEN platform? And will it be available with serrations (dimples aren't my thing)?

The MATEN uses standard AR-15 bolt releases, so it may not be necessary for that lower. 7.62 DPMS lowers need a special DPMS-style release that isn't compatible with the MATEN.

[SINNER]

Maten's use the DPMS/AR10 bolt catches. I made the same assumption as you but UWone77 corrected me. Lol

[Duffy]

7.62mm bolt catch has quite a bit more material on it than the 5.56mm bolt catch, so it should be less time to machine from bar stock. The lightening cuts on the ABC/R will be omitted on the 7.62mm version.

[Josh S.]

Any plans for polished EMR/EMR-C's?

[Duffy]

In polished raw aluminum? I can have some tumbled the same way the polished ABC/R-Fs are, but we're getting some Cerakoted FDE and grey as a test run for color options [:D]

[UWone77]

Roger, I'll have to hit you up after SHOT for some bolt catches. It was like crack, one sample, now I need more.

[Josh S.]

In polished raw aluminum? I can have some tumbled the same way the polished ABC/R-Fs are, but we're getting some Cerakoted FDE and grey as a test run for color options [:D]

Yeah polished raw aluminum. I'm thinking a polished EMR-C and ABC/R would go well with some titanium takedown pins and NiB bcg. It may end up being too much "silver" for my liking but I'll never know until I try it.

[Deadwing]

Roger, I'll have to hit you up after SHOT for some bolt catches. It was like crack, one sample, now I need more.

LOL! Roger the pusher man. I need more of them as well. I've replaced the bolt catches on a few rifles and absolutely love the ABC/R, forged or billet.

[Deadwing]

In polished raw aluminum? I can have some tumbled the same way the polished ABC/R-Fs are, but we're getting some Cerakoted FDE and grey as a test run for color options [:D]

I just so happen to have a set of Magpul furniture in grey that i'm planning on using on my MOS GFY build. I'll bet a grey EMR would look good thrown in the mix.

[gatordev]

EDIT below... Looks like I was wrong about what I bought...


Maten's use the DPMS/AR10 bolt catches. I made the same assumption as you but UWone77 corrected me. Lol

My MATEN would not accept a DPMS bolt catch. It's too wide (laterally). I had a DPMS-branded .308 parts kit and it no worky. I went and bought an AR-15 (nope, 7.62) catch and it was good to go. Also, from Mega's Compatibility page (http://www.megaarms.com/maten/compatibility/):


* MATEN not compatible with Armalite bolt catch.

Maybe they changed something and it's now compatible with the DPMS release, but historically it hasn't been and it seems currently, it's not compatible with an Armalite/AR-10.

ETA: Just looked at my catch because I was curious... Part in read above is incorrect. Apparently I bought a 7.62 catch, but it was NOT a DPMS one at the time because my DPMS kit didn't work. Soooo...not sure what I bought. Maybe they really have changed it back to being compatible with DPMS. Now I'm going to have to go on a Google search... Sorry for the confusion.

[Duffy]

Richard, please let me know what you need and I'll send them your way. The polished EMR and EMR-C may be a while, they've all been anodized, so we'll have to wait till the next production run to leave a percentage out for polished finish.

Thank you guys very much for the constant input and suggestions! Below are the suggestions over the last few months that will be (or have been) incorporated into production:

Polished EMR and EMR-C
Polished ABC/R
ABC/R with dimpled paddles
EMR-A's paddle (the new shape works better and matches the ABC/R, with dimpled and serrated paddle options)

:P

[Joelski]

Any thoughts on a crosshatch to match CMT/Rainer parts?

[Duffy]

I thought about it, but I'm not sure if the crosshatch is the best serrations for our application. I think it's the universal, jack of all trades type of serrations.

On the ABC/R and EMR, the direction of the serrations are quite specific, for they provide the best traction for the user's finger's angle of approach. For the LDFA, the angles of approach can vary, so the circular serrations from the original A2 have been retained to provide traction from all angles.

But, if we're doing the dimples, I don't see why we can't do the crosshatch, would you guys care if the serrations match CMT's and RA's?

[Joelski]

I thought about it, but I'm not sure if the crosshatch is the best serrations for our application. I think it's the universal, jack of all trades type of serrations.

On the ABC/R and EMR, the direction of the serrations are quite specific, for they provide the best traction for the user's finger's angle of approach. For the LDFA, the angles of approach can vary, so the circular serrations from the original A2 have been retained to provide traction from all angles.

But, if we're doing the dimples, I don't see why we can't do the crosshatch, would you guys care if the serrations match CMT's and RA's?

Personally, I'd love to find something that matched them. I'd prefer it be your product. I understand production costs can get away quick when trying to please the masses, and that may be a consideration for CMT; they should be the ones working this out. Non-matching stuff isn't a dealbreaker for some, but it can sure make the arrow point down if people are getting their fix off stuff that looks like it was made to work together.

[Duffy]

Can you post a pic of CMT and RA crosshatch serrations? I seem to be having a hard time finding pics of them [crazy]

[Joelski]

Here you go.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205413.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205413.jpg.html)
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205541.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205541.jpg.html)

[DutyUse]

Here you go.

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205413.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205413.jpg.html)
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205541.jpg (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/Joelski144/media/ARs%20and%20Pistols/RA-Recce/20151208_205541.jpg.html)

Hawt. That kitty is looking puurfect :D

(Sorry couldn't resist the bad pun)

[Duffy]

Thanks, the ones I can find are either horizontal or vertical serrations.

[Duffy]

Just a quick sneak peak to keep you guys in the loop that we have been working on things [BD]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-01%20at%207.57.41%20AM_zpsx3wqyq2k.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-01%20at%207.57.41%20AM_zpsx3wqyq2k.jpg.html)

[Slippers]

It's a golf ball! :)

[Duffy]

We are offering more color and aesthetics options on existing products. EMR-A (ambidextrous) will hopefully make its appearance this year as well. This is an experimental aesthetics option for the ABC/R ;)

Though this looks good, function has to come first, thus the final version might be somewhat different. The dimples must offer equal, if not better traction than the ABC/R's very effective horizontal serrations.

Many excellent patterns and designs already exist. The golf ball wasn't the goal (I don't / can't play golf, it didn't cross my mind), the design ended up looking like the pattern of one. If it works, that's all that matters. It may go through some more changes before it's finalized (deeper and or larger dimples, for instance.)

The ABC/R is a solid design, at its core, it's a duty grade component, a variation in aesthetics won't change that. ABC/R-F will continue to have horizontal serrations, the dimpled version is a no cost option [:)]

[Brahmzy]

Well I bit. Curious how these things enhance BC purchase. Wish I didn't have to pay $8 for RA's shipping!

[Dstrbdmedic167]

Well I bit. Curious how these things enhance BC purchase. Wish I didn't have to pay $8 for RA's shipping!

Join the apex program. Free shipping and discounted price too.

[Duffy]

USPS keeps increasing its rates [bash]

Please let us know how you like it. Do you run a Norgon or another brand of ambi mag release?

[UWone77]

USPS keeps increasing its rates [bash]

Please let us know how you like it. Do you run a Norgon or another brand of ambi mag release?

Tell me about it... $6.80 for a flat rate small box? Wow...

Anyone remember those old USPS commercials, when you could ship 2lbs for $2.95? I'm dating myself...

[Brahmzy]

USPS keeps increasing its rates [bash]

Please let us know how you like it. Do you run a Norgon or another brand of ambi mag release?

Hi Roger, I don't run an ambi. Just looking for a well-designed BC with better purchase on both the hold/release. I recently got a lightweight V7 BC and don't like it. There's not enough material contacting the actual bolt lugs and it takes 2-3x the pressure on the pad to release. Almost requiring a palm-slam to release. If I like the unit, I'll swap out all the rifles with em.
Keep up the great work and keep the parts as light as possible. :)

And yes UPS/USPS have gotten ridiculous. I still ship a lot of small parts First Class with good luck, but I understand the reasons why shops don't like offering FC.

[Duffy]

Brahmzy, though I can't prove it, I do believe you and I go way back on ar15.com throughout the years :P

Forward Controls isn't in lightweight game, though I do appreciate the weight saving. On my MRP, unless I turn down or flute this heavy ass barrel, no amount of LW component is going to move the needle in a meaningful way, but I digress.

On the ABC/R there are two lightening cuts. These are not fashion statements, or attempts to make the ABC/R a LW component. They serve to keep its weight (0.445oz) close to that of a factory bolt catch (0.401oz).

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/ABCRF_zpsrlutkdgw.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/ABCRF_zpsrlutkdgw.jpg.html)

On the EMR (enhanced mag release) and EMR-C (enhanced mag release, competition), there's a similar weight saving measure.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/EMR%20polished_zpssypxiitm.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/EMR%20polished_zpssypxiitm.jpg.html)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/polishedemrc2_zps28hi333y.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/polishedemrc2_zps28hi333y.jpg.html)

It's attention to detail, everything has a purpose [:)]

[cjd3]

We are offering more color and aesthetics options on existing products. EMR-A (ambidextrous) will hopefully make its appearance this year as well. This is an experimental aesthetics option for the ABC/R ;)

This is probably the number one item I'm holding out for. I've not tried the Norgon, but have a Troy and HVA, both have pros, both cons (like a walking out roll pin).

[Duffy]

cjd3, the only compromise I can think of is the EMR-A's lever pivots on the receiver, like the Troy and HVA (on which the EMR-A is based, we used the AMR's basic mag catch layout with HVA's provided drawings)

The Forward Controls specific modifications were extensive enough the EMR-A bears little to no resemblance to the AMR. One of the key features is that it can be used with a factory bolt catch without obscuring its lower paddle. The bolt catch's lower paddle being obscured by an ambi mag catch, as you guys may recall, was the whole reason for which the ABC/R was created.

EMR-A has a low profile lever that's happy with third party bolt catches like the ABC/R-F, and factory bolt catches with their tiny boot heel for lower paddles :P

For a combat or defense AR, receiver marring isn't an issue. It is for those with receivers to which they append investment like values. Hence the EMR-A isn't for everyone, but we're not known for making Gucci type products to begin with.

[Brahmzy]

Brahmzy, though I can't prove it, I do believe you and I go way back on ar15.com throughout the years :P


Yessir! [:)]

Appreciate your excellent CS and dedication to detail!

[Duffy]

Thank you! [adore]

[Duffy]

Can you guys tell what's different about this ABC/R-F? [:D]
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/308abcrf_zpsx11v07rq.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/308abcrf_zpsx11v07rq.jpg.html)

[Brahmzy]

The 308 version with no lightening cuts/holes?

[Brahmzy]

BTW, is there a discount code for us WEVO peeps? [:)]

[UWone77]

BTW, is there a discount code for us WEVO peeps? [:)]

If you PM Roger, I believe there is a code.

[Duffy]

Brahmzy, I will send the codes to you via IM. We have a few codes you can use [:)] As always, not for laziness, I recommend buying from our dealers and distributors such as Rainier Arms, Tacticalink, Red Barn Armory, Wing Tactical, High Velocity Arms, etc., it creates a win win for everyone involved.

I confirmed with Jason at Mega (he told me this last year) that our 308 ABC/-R will work, as it is based on the bolt catch they acquire for themselves.

[Deadwing]

Brahmzy, I will send the codes to you via IM. We have a few codes you can use [:)] As always, not for laziness, I recommend buying from our dealers and distributors such as Rainier Arms, Tacticalink, Red Barn Armory, Wing Tactical, High Velocity Arms, etc., it creates a win win for everyone involved.

I confirmed with Jason at Mega (he told me this last year) that our 308 ABC/-R will work, as it is based on the bolt catch they acquire for themselves.

I'm deffo going to need one of those for my MATEN...

[Duffy]

I'm trying to schedule the 308 spec ABC/R-F in the next run of AR15 spec ABC/R-Fs.

Dimpled AR15 spec ABC/R-F will be out in a few weeks! :P

I'm tempted to post pics of the rapid prototype, but I keep thinking I don't want the likes of Strike Industries to copy and clone them even before ours come out...

[Brahmzy]

Hmmm. Can BC dimples be patented? In the case of a barrel, KAC patented theirs.

[Duffy]

Design patent? I'm not sure if it's different enough, but I'll ask our attorney :P

The dimpled upper and lower paddles went through two design changes after the initial concept. I sure as hell didn't think it'd need that much work lol.

The horizontally serrated paddles offer great traction and friction to inhibit vertical movement of the finger pad, while dimpled paddles are more universal, and good from any direction of approach.

[Deadwing]

I'm trying to schedule the 308 spec ABC/R-F in the next run of AR15 spec ABC/R-Fs.

In the words of Monty Burns, excellent...

[Duffy]

It is confirmed, 308 ABC/R will be in this coming production run, in both serrated and dimpled versions [:D]

[SINNER]

Been waiting for the .308's. I need at least 6 to start. Lol

[Deadwing]

It is confirmed, 308 ABC/R will be in this coming production run, in both serrated and dimpled versions [:D]

You can put me down for two. I'll let you know if they're any good. [BD]

[Brahmzy]

Duffy, just got the 556 ABC/R-F in and installed. Wow - EXCELLENT! Beautiful piece of work - perfect! So functional, simple, great finish and elegant, lol. Nothing over the top as is so common these days.

Ordering 2 more right now!

[Brahmzy]

DANG - already got a shipping notice. LOL!

[Duffy]

Thank you very much! I have included some swag in the order. I am glad you're happy, and we've been able to live up to what's expected of us [adore]

A bit of news re: 308 ABC/R-Fs, forgings are in short supply, we'll start production of 308 ABC/R-Fs early next month. Considering I've been sitting on the 308 ABC/R-Fs for months, I guess another month isn't going to bring me financial ruins [BD]

Of the limited forgings that are available, AR15 ABC/R-F production takes priority, but there will be a limited number of dimpled bolt catches in this short run :P

[46and2]

I really can't say enough good things about the BC and FA. Excellent.

[Joelski]

Ordered an ABC-R last night and Roger sent a tracking number within minutes. This guy is on top of his business.

[Duffy]

Thank you guys for your kind words and support. Weapon Evolution was the first board where my new company established a presence. I have been here for years for Battle Arms (and before that, as a member) , it's only natural Forward Controls should take up residence here.

In the early and rather quiet and somewhat uncertain days of Forward Controls, you guys have ever been the encouragement that sustained me. With almost no budget for advertising, this board was and is still the place where we can count on lively and friendly discussion, it is without a doubt the easiest check for us to write for a membership.

This year, I think we will see pretty good growth, thanks in no small parts to you gents. We continue to pour all our resources into R&D and customer service. Profit has never been an objective, it doesn't need to be. If we can do the first two things well, we don't need to worry about profit. We are all about making useful and meaningful gear for fellow gun owners, door kickers, war fighters, and difference makers. Money will never be our compass.

[Stone]

Anything new coming down the pipeline?

[Duffy]

EMR-A, which concludes the EMR product line for the AR, and will be the last time we use the word Enhanced in our products [BD]

EMR-A is an ambi mag release for the AR. It went through several design changes, specifically to the lever/paddle, before it was finally put into limited production, no ETA at the moment but it will hopefully be this summer.

The lever/paddle is very low profile and will not obscure a factory bolt catch's lower paddle. The factory bolt catch's lower paddle is such an inadequate afterthought, just about the redeeming value it has is the notch immediately above the boot heel looking lower, which some aftermarket bolt catches leave out completely [crazy] The notch has a very useful function. Your finger can tell its position on the bolt catch, the notch serves as a clear demarcation between the upper and lower paddle. The ABC/R's notch has been enlarged to the point the user can press down on the lower paddle from the notch.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/DIF%20notch_zpsqrbckmae.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/DIF%20notch_zpsqrbckmae.jpg.html)

Anyway, the EMR-A will work with factory bolt catches without unduly making the lower paddle difficult to access, which was the reason the ABC/R was designed and made.

We work around the classic unintended consequence of AR component design. The very useful ambi mag release unwittingly masks the lower paddle of the bolt catch, the very useful ambi charging handle makes the forward assist's rim a liability (it catches on the user's finger if he uses the right latch to pull the CH back).

As you guys might recall, in another thread I had solicited opinion on something related to the EMR-A, namely its lever rocking/pivoting on the receiver. The consensus is if it works, most won't care.

We design and make stuff for combat, duty and defense ARs where scratches are a fact of life and quite inevitable. For those with receivers that are treated like investment, the EMR-A might not be a good fit.

[cjd3]

Nothing a little black marker can't fix, if it even needs fixing.

[Joelski]

All I can say about this outfit is WOW!

There aren't many companies that blend superior product and customer service as competently as Forward Controls. I placed an order on Friday evening my time and it was waiting for me today (the following Monday). I've had overnight shipments that couldn't make it here without an extra business day and while I'm not in Rwanda, you'd think shipping for some of these big guys was a dog sled outfit.

Great job and thanks for the swag!

Roger: Could you please put on a classes for some of the other west coast shops that take a week or two to get product 3/4 of the the way to the other side of the country?

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af93/Joelski144/ARs%20and%20Pistols/MK%2018/20160515_112438-1.jpg~original

[Brahmzy]

^^ Just checked my mail and I already got my stuff! Holy cow! You are the man Duffy! Thanks for the great products and service! And the shwag!!!

[Duffy]

Thank you gents for your kind words! We try to process and ship the day the order is received [:)]

That's true for every order we get. Joelski and Brahmzy only got special treatment in terms of swag, I recognized the email addresses and know who you guys are [BD]

The same swag offer is extended to every member here. If you guys don't mind, please email me for discount codes, and mention WEVO in the order [adore]

[Stone]

Very nice, thanks. I just received an ABC from a vendor but next time I will go through you!

[EO3]

Thank you gents for your kind words! We try to process and ship the day the order is received [:)]

That's true for every order we get. Joelski and Brahmzy only got special treatment in terms of swag, I recognized the email addresses and know who you guys are [BD]

The same swag offer is extended to every member here. If you guys don't mind, please email me for discount codes, and mention WEVO in the order [adore]

Wish I would've known when I placed my order with you a couple weeks ago! Will definitely be ordering again soon.

[Jerry R]

Duffy,

My two Form-1 SBR stamps cleared, and I installed your ABC/R on both. Very nicely done Sir !

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/NFA%20Pictures/Battle%20Kitty/Battle%20Kitty%20LR%20tonemapped%20Sized%201280_zp stfqobbz8.jpg~original

[Duffy]

Thank you very much!
I'm gratified to see ABC/Rs on many receivers sans ambi mag catch (for which the ABC/R was designed to work with). The impetus for more usable surface area, especially for the lower paddle, remains valid whether an ambi mag catch is present or not. The factory bolt catch's lower paddle is not much more than an afterthought, which I was constantly bitching about.

In other news, dimpled bolt catches (5.56mm version first) will be available in two months (probably less). As soon as we have the design patent filed, I will post pics :P

[Duffy]

I like this combination :P

Redi-Catch allows the user to lock the bolt back by using the mag release button, but its presence means there can be no ambi mag release, something we'll try to address [:D]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/redicatchabcrf5_zpsq9znqaz4.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/redicatchabcrf5_zpsq9znqaz4.jpg.html)

[cjd3]

I like this combination :P

Redi-Catch allows the user to lock the bolt back by using the mag release button, but its presence means there can be no ambi mag release, something we'll try to address [:D]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/redicatchabcrf5_zpsq9znqaz4.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/redicatchabcrf5_zpsq9znqaz4.jpg.html)
You're killing me with anticipation.

[Duffy]

The bundle can be found here http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Bundled-AR-Products_c_15.html

Redi-Catch can also be purchased by itself, if you already have the ABC/R. Don't forget to email me about a WEVO code [:D]

[Pyzik]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/26817150496_2cc161d859_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GRJUxJ)
Components (https://flic.kr/p/GRJUxJ) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[UWone77]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/26817150496_2cc161d859_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/GRJUxJ)
Components (https://flic.kr/p/GRJUxJ) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

Great photo Dave. The only question is, how did you even manage to get any photos of the receivers since you put it together so fast!

[Pyzik]

Great photo Dave. The only question is, how did you even manage to get any photos of the receivers since you put it together so fast!
Magic. :)

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

[schambers]

Just placed an order for a forged ABC-R. Very excited in testing it out!

[Duffy]

Thank you [:D]
Dimpled version will be out soon. We're filing the patent for it in a few days, then I can share some pics with you guys. There will be a titanium version down the road, as well. Both the 308 and Ti bolt catches will do away with lightening cuts. For the 308 version, we don't want folks to be concerned about its strength. For the Ti version, the lightening cuts are unnecessary :)

[Pyzik]

Dimpled version will be out soon. We're filing the patent for it in a few days, then I can share some pics with you guys. There will be a titanium version down the road, as well. Both the 308 and Ti bolt catches will do away with lightening cuts. For the 308 version, we don't want folks to be concerned about its strength. For the Ti version, the lightening cuts are unnecessary :)
Cool!

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[Duffy]

We filed the patent last Friday, so we can now show it to the public, I think most of you guys already have an idea how the dimpled ABC/R-F would look. I thought it was a straight forward design change, alas, nothing is ever as easy as it first appears.

This is the 7.62mm version.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-17%20at%208.08.42%20AM_zpsouo1kbt0.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-17%20at%208.08.42%20AM_zpsouo1kbt0.jpg.html)

I already knew that it wouldn't be as simple as replacing serrations with dimples. On the standard ABC/R-F, the serrations extend from the top paddle downward, and gives the user's finger more serrated surface to press on.

On the dimpled ABC/R-F, we used different sized dimples on the paddles and stalk. Large diameter dimples for the top paddle, and elsewhere, smaller dimples. The dimples are rounded at the bottom, but they're fairly steep dimples to provide better traction. We reworked the dimples dimensions and arrangement patterns several times until we were happy with it.

The end result is an ABC/R-F that offers good traction from all angles of approach. The standard ABC/R-F's horizontal serrations are best at offering resistance and traction at near vertical angle of approach, and very good when the angle changes, up to 50 degree or so. Dimpled paddles put up nearly identical amount of resistance and traction, regardless of the angle of approach.

The 5.56mm version of dimpled ABC/R-F should be out in a month in limited availability. When the 7.62mm ABC/R-F comes out, it'll have both the serrated and dimpled version ;)

[Josh S.]

Sweet! I can't wait to get my hands on one of these! I'm digging those beveled edges as well.

[Pyzik]

We filed the patent last Friday, so we can now show it to the public, I think most of you guys already have an idea how the dimpled ABC/R-F would look. I thought it was a straight forward design change, alas, nothing is ever as easy as it first appears.

This is the 7.62mm version.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-17%20at%208.08.42%20AM_zpsouo1kbt0.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-17%20at%208.08.42%20AM_zpsouo1kbt0.jpg.html)

I already knew that it wouldn't be as simple as replacing serrations with dimples. On the standard ABC/R-F, the serrations extend from the top paddle downward, and gives the user's finger more serrated surface to press on.

On the dimpled ABC/R-F, we used different sized dimples on the paddles and stalk. Large diameter dimples for the top paddle, and elsewhere, smaller dimples. The dimples are rounded at the bottom, but they're fairly steep dimples to provide better traction. We reworked the dimples dimensions and arrangement patterns several times until we were happy with it.

The end result is an ABC/R-F that offers good traction from all angles of approach. The standard ABC/R-F's horizontal serrations are best at offering resistance and traction at near vertical angle of approach, and very good when the angle changes to up 50 degree or so. Dimpled paddles put up nearly identical amount of resistance and traction, regardless of the angle of approach.

The 5.56mm version of dimpled ABC/R-F should be out in a month in limited availability. When the 7.62mm ABC/R-F comes out, it'll have both the serrated and dimpled version ;)
Interesting. I like that you give details in your updates.

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[velocity2006]

http://i.imgur.com/6csIhAT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nW47K2X.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gSGA8r0.jpg

[Duffy]

Wow, thank you for posting these pics, can we use them? [:D]

[velocity2006]

Wow, thank you for posting these pics, can we use them? [:D]

Would be great if you can use them. Thank you.

[Duffy]

Thank you very much!

[Duffy]

ABC/R, in all configurations (5.56mm and 7.62mm spec, serrated and dimpled) will be produced by Northtech Defense for us. Northtech already makes the serrated 5.56mm ABC/Rs for Forward Controls. ABC/R-F (forged) has ceased production, but may resume at a later date.

EMR-A (ambi mag release), and another SCAR project will be produced by Northtech as well.

Northtech and I go way back, we've been very pleased with the quality. With their support, we're able to bring forth more projects that were too complicated or expensive for others to produce, and I am very excited about that [:D]

[Aragorn]

Soooooo what you're saying is, if I want I ABC-R/F and redi-catch combo, I should get it now?

Is there any appreciable difference between the forged and not?

[Duffy]

I intend on resuming ABC/R-F production at a later date, we have a handful left, while dealers such as Rainier Arms and Tacticalink have more in stock at this point. So yes, if you want the forged bolt catch with Ambi-Catch in a bundle, that particular combination won't be around much longer, the ABC/R (forged) will be the only option.

Forged is stronger, but it's an overkill and we know it. In practical terms, there isn't noticeable and appreciable difference between the two, as both are precision CNC machined into shape, and not of unknown origin and quality of MIM.

I'm not at all concerned about the ABC/R-F. The original ABC/R was billet, and so it will be as the only version again till we get ABC/R-F going once more.

The good that came out of this is we'll have dimpled, and 7.62mm version soon, and they will be more consistent in machining than before :)

[Aragorn]

Gotcha gotcha. May hold out to see how the dimpled version turns out then.

I plan to use the combo on my newest project. :)

[velocity2006]

I have both (ABC/R-F and ABC/R) and honestly don't notice much of a difference once they are on the rifles, both are excellent. Hope your saving me a dimpled one [:D]

[fledge]

Just ordered 5 forged ones from Rainier. Looking forward to the 7.62 release! I hope we hear it first cause I've got needs.

[Duffy]

You guys will hear about the 7.62mm version as soon as we have them in our hands, we ordered more than we ever did in the past, in all caliber versions and paddle styles. Oh I forgot to mention the Ti version :P

I can't wait to show you guys the EMR-A [:D] I don't know if we'll file a patent on it this time, it sucks up a lot of funds we could have used to finance more projects. Speaking of which, both the LFDA and ABC/R patents will be issued in 3 weeks or so [:D]

[Aragorn]

So, anymore teasers for us?

Eager to see the dimpled version still. And ALSO want to know about this EMR-A.

[Duffy]

Soon :P

The EMR-A might see some minor changes, pending beta testing results. It's already on a second revised design, though the mag catch portion remains the same, the lever/pad is significantly changed in shape and size to have a larger usable surface area, better traction and grip, it also bears family resemblance to the ABC/R's upper paddle in some respect, though as usual, we worked on aesthetics last. Its shape is determined by its function. The ABC/R uses the same design language. Simple, elegant and effective, it is designed for a duty/combat weapon, not an eye candy for a wall hanger.

We worked with High Velocity Arms on the basic mag catch portion, the lever/paddle is not like anything in existence though, and the mag catch portion was heavily changed to accommodate it. Like HVA's AMR, the EMR-A's lever/paddle pivots on the receiver. This design has its pros and cons, we went with it because we can't infringe on Norgon's patent, and this design offers flexibility in areas we consider important. We deem the pros outweigh the cons, so the project moved forward.

That the lever pivots on the receiver will attract the ire of some potential customers, we accept that it's not for folks that want to preserve their $1000 receivers, it was always meant to be a component of a firearm that goes in harm's way, not a decoration or conversation piece.

[cjd3]

Hey, if you need more EMR-A beta testers...

[Joelski]

Will the new catch have the ability to lock the bolt open from either side (doesn't matter which) without moving your hand from the grip?

[Duffy]

Joelski, I was ready to incorporate the Redi-Catch feature into the EMR-A, but AXTS didn't want to license it so I stopped developing it. Boonie Packer pays AXTS royalties for the mag button actuated bolt lock, though my attorney doesn't see why. Josh Underwood and I go way back, I have no interest in starting a patent fight with him.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/redicatchabcrfwithtext3_zpskxxh6g3x.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/redicatchabcrfwithtext3_zpskxxh6g3x.jpg.html)

I like Redi-Catch and carry it in our store, it would have been a cool add on option for the EMR-A :(

cjd3, if we have enough test units, I'll be glad to send you one. It'd be in the white, probably not even deburred.

[SINNER]

Honestly the mag release pivoting on the lower makes no difference to me with the exception of issues I've ran into in the past. With some billet lowers having a thickened profile causing the mag catch to poorly engage on the magazine or in a few extreme cases not at all. Those lowers even cause issues with the Norgon catches being sunk so far past the surface it's hard to drop the mag.

No easy work around seems likely to me though.

[Duffy]

Sinner, it's the bane of AR components design. There is no way to make something to work with all of the receivers out there, given the numerous dimensions and tolerances used by manufacturers that often don't adhere to the TDP.

We can't make different spec EMR-As for receivers with different thickness and geometry, so the EMR-A is designed to work with receivers that follow TDP specs and tolerances. This isn't an unusual approach, I think it may be the only approach.

Back when I was still a Battle Arms partner, in the very early days, and also when Bill Geissele himself picked up the phone when you called, I had a conversation with him about making our selectors work with his DMR triggers.

He had put it well, and I'm somewhat paraphrasing here: it's not the trigger or selector, it's the receivers. When there were only a few major manufacturers, there didn't used to be problems, but when every Bob and John is making them, we started seeing compatibility issues.

Nevertheless you brought up a good point about compatibility with thicker billet receivers, we need to clearly disclose that it's made for TDP spec, forged receivers, and may not work on out of spec (for that's the thicker receivers are) receivers.

[SwissyJim]

got my stuff.. thanks and thanks for the extra goodies! Hopefully my Form1 comes back soon (aaaaaany day now) so I can assemble and get some pics for ya

[Duffy]

Hope you like it, thank you Jim! :D

[SINNER]

Sinner, it's the bane of AR components design. There is no way to make something to work with all of the receivers out there, given the numerous dimensions and tolerances used by manufacturers that often don't adhere to the TDP.

We can't make different spec EMR-As for receivers with different thickness and geometry, so the EMR-A is designed to work with receivers that follow TDP specs and tolerances. This isn't an unusual approach, I think it may be the only approach.

Back when I was still a Battle Arms partner, in the very early days, and also when Bill Geissele himself picked up the phone when you called, I had a conversation with him about making our selectors work with his DMR triggers.

He had put it well, and I'm somewhat paraphrasing here: it's not the trigger or selector, it's the receivers. When there were only a few major manufacturers, there didn't used to be problems, but when every Bob and John is making them, we started seeing compatibility issues.

Nevertheless you brought up a good point about compatibility with thicker billet receivers, we need to clearly disclose that it's made for TDP spec, forged receivers, and may not work on out of spec (for that's the thicker receivers are) receivers.


I missed your reply. I could not agree more with what you said. When you really start to pay attention to critical dimensions on lowers its scary how much variance there is in the market offerings.

[Duffy]

We had never figured that a small part like the ambi selector would encounter so many tolerance stacking problems, none of which of our making, but it was a learning experience that benefits me to this day.

We know the average receiver widths and the TDP tolerances. Even within these narrow confines there is enough variance to either produce a gap under the lever, or be just right, such is the reality of forged receivers. Throw in billet receivers, and those manufacturers that I swear, don't care or haven't heard of TDP tolerances and tolerance stacking, it sure honed my customer service skills lol [BD]

[Aragorn]

So how long until we get to see the dimpled ABC/R? I have important decisions to make! Like whether I'm going to buy the serrated or dimpled version. ;)

[fledge]

I have no decision to make as my ar308 just sits unfinished without a FCD bolt catch. I refuse to molest it with anything inferior.

[Duffy]

We're out of ABC/R, while our dealers still have some, soon everyone will be out of them till this incoming production run. The dimpled and 308 version will both be available this Fall, we have no more accurate ETA I'm afraid, but they're being worked on/made.

Meanwhile, we're working with Wiley Arms on a gas block. Nothing fancy or adjustable, it might have a twist nobody has done but we don't know if it's doable yet ;)

[Aragorn]

Gas block? You don't say.. I need one of those too...

[cjd3]

I didn't know I need an ambidextrous gas block for my lefty rifles.

[Duffy]

Gas blocks and other components, maybe other larger parts too. Forward Controls has been slowly expanding its online store to include products we like that are not of our own manufacture, in addition to new Forward Controls designed components we're always working on.

The latest products to be added are from Vltor and B5 Systems.

I doubt if we will ever become a fully fledged and staffed super store as Rainier Arms in either eCommerce or physical format (there probably will never be a brick and mortar store), we just have small and achievable goals to be more useful and convenient to customers :)

[Aragorn]

Big store... Little store... I like what you've got and what you come up with.

There's several (more) of your components I'll be purchasing when the time comes.

[fledge]

I like the approach of adding products that you believe in. The "endorsement" is worth extra value. Hoping the vltor will be A5 kits.

[Duffy]

A5 kits were ordered, they were out of everything we ordered last week. A shipment is in its way and I have no idea what they shipped me lol

[Duffy]

Thanks to the wonderful folks at Northtech Defense, we're showing the dimpled ABC/R (patent pending) prototype (5.56mm model) for the first time. 7.62mm ABC/R will be available in both serrated (standard) and dimpled (no cost option) as well. ETA is TBA (sorry), what we're asking of these dimples are not easy to do and we will not release a half baked product :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg.html)

[UWone77]

Thanks to the wonderful folks at Northtech Defense, we're showing the dimpled ABC/R (patent pending) prototype (5.56mm model) for the first time. 7.62mm ABC/R will be available in both serrated (standard) and dimpled (no cost option) as well. ETA is TBA (sorry), what we're asking of these dimples are not easy to do and we will not release a half baked product :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg.html)

I like what this is turning into.

[Pyzik]

Thanks to the wonderful folks at Northtech Defense, we're showing the dimpled ABC/R (patent pending) prototype (5.56mm model) for the first time. 7.62mm ABC/R will be available in both serrated (standard) and dimpled (no cost option) as well. ETA is TBA (sorry), what we're asking of these dimples are not easy to do and we will not release a half baked product :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg.html)
I like it.

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[Duffy]

The small dimples are still being worked on, as you can see, the lowest 3 small dimples are larger (correct size) and the rest of the small dimples are not.

Dimples offer good all around traction from all directions, but they need to be of sufficient size and depth, and the dimple wall needs to be more vertical (i.e. not golf ball type shallow dimples) to do it. It was a challenge early on, so it was worked on several times to get right in rapid prototypes.

[Aragorn]

Thanks to the wonderful folks at Northtech Defense, we're showing the dimpled ABC/R (patent pending) prototype (5.56mm model) for the first time. 7.62mm ABC/R will be available in both serrated (standard) and dimpled (no cost option) as well. ETA is TBA (sorry), what we're asking of these dimples are not easy to do and we will not release a half baked product :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimpled%20abcr_zpss0ivz681.jpg.html)

I need this in my life.

[velocity2006]

So... you gonna send me a test unit? :P

[Joelski]

What if you drilled holes all the way through, instead of dimples? Instant lighter weight and tactile traction.

[Duffy]

Joelski, I actually never thought about that. I'm not a fan of skeletonized control surfaces unless they serve a function other than light weight. Negative space adds nothing to the surface area, it does just the opposite. Though in this case, the paddles aren't skeletonized and surface area remains the same, with the paddles drilled all the way through, they most likely will lose structural integrity and not stand up to hard use. The upper paddle essentially becomes a perforated surface, like these perforated lines in paper to make it easier to tear [BD]

[Joelski]

Wow, okay I believe you, but I have a tough time grasping somebody could break these paddles, holes included. It's a robust chunk of metal!

The fireman in me understands though.

[mtdawg169]

What if you drilled holes all the way through, instead of dimples? Instant lighter weight and tactile traction.
Dimples > holes

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160812/8df82267ca0f859f38dff09db225084d.jpg

[Duffy]

Hahaha mtdawg169 [:D]

It'd be pretty hard to break the paddle even if perforated, the ABC/R's paddles are thicker than milspec. But it will draw criticism for trying to score fashion points, even if that was never the reason.

Removing material does weaken the object, often it's to the point where less rigid/strong part is still rigid/strong enough for its tasks and thus irrelevant. 5.56mm ABC/Rs have two lightening cuts to keep the weight close to that of a factory bolt catch, these cuts would fall into that category. I suspect a perforated paddle might still be strong enough, but that's removing a lot of material from a control surface many users use their palm to slap.

And the stigma of it being seen as a "life style" component is too much for me to bear [BD]

[fledge]

The dimples look difficult to get right. What's the advantage of this over the horizontal lines (which I like) or even a cross-hatch pattern?

[Joelski]

...And the stigma of it being seen as a "life style" component is too much for me to bear [BD]

Say no more!

[:D]

[Joelski]

I already asked about the cross hatch. It wouldn't make sense to do 20 to match the controls on the battle kitty ambi lower.
[:(]

[Duffy]

The horizontal serrations on the standard ABC/R are aggressive enough to be very effective, but they're good for only mitigating vertical movements. If your finger or palm approaches the paddle from the side (90 degree) or diagonally, horizontal serrations don't work as well.

Notice the widely spaced, and triangular ridges that differ quite a bit from the closely spaced and smaller serrations on a factory bolt catch. The difference they make are quite noticeable.

Photo courtesy of Nate, AKA NSZ85.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/nsz85abcr2_zpsed569tng.png (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/nsz85abcr2_zpsed569tng.png.html)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/nsz85abcr_zpsbj3atb0w.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/nsz85abcr_zpsbj3atb0w.jpg.html)

While dimples have less traction than straight serrations from a vertical approach, they're not one trick ponies. Regardless of angle of approach, they offer the same traction/resistance.

Re: cross hatch pattern, it remains to be an option we might pursue later, they just don't look very good to me, and kind of clash with the lines of an AR, but they do work well. We just need to find a way to make them look better :P

[din]

The horizontal serrations on the standard ABC/R are aggressive enough to be very effective, but they're good for only mitigating vertical movements. If your finger or palm approaches the paddle from the side (90 degree) or diagonally, horizontal serrations don't work as well.

Notice the widely spaced, and triangular ridges that differ quite a bit from the closely spaced and smaller serrations on a factory bolt catch. The difference they make are quite noticeable.

Photo courtesy of Nate, AKA NSZ85.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/nsz85abcr2_zpsed569tng.png (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/nsz85abcr2_zpsed569tng.png.html)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/nsz85abcr_zpsbj3atb0w.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/nsz85abcr_zpsbj3atb0w.jpg.html)

While dimples have less traction than straight serrations from a vertical approach, they're not one trick ponies. Regardless of angle of approach, they offer the same traction/resistance.

Re: cross hatch pattern, it remains to be an option we might pursue later, they just don't look very good to me, and kind of clash with the lines of an AR, but they do work well. We just need to find a way to make them look better :P

Yeah, but you could do matching checkering for all the 1911 guys who need to fashion-accessorize. :p

Seriously, Roger, I'm crazy stoked for the dimpled ones to be released so I can use them in my next couple builds. I've already replaced the bolt catches on all my rifles but one with the ABC/Rs. I know you probably don't have any plans to build a safety selector, but I wish you would. I'm not sure what BAD did with the latest revision to their short-throw selectors, but they don't work with Geissele or LaRue triggers, and if you contact BAD they act like it's your fault.

[fledge]

On "crosshatch": I actually think 20lpi checkering, like on a 1911 front strap, would not only be cosmetically subtle but give all the multi-directional texture you'd want.


Off topic: I talked to BAD too about that comparability issue with their selectors and I just got "they are made to milspec tolerances." So either their previous version wasn't or someone fell asleep at the machine. If Forward Controls had a short throw selector, I'd be all over it.

[Duffy]

Sorry to let you guys down, we will not be designing or making any selectors for the AR. We do have levers designed and redesigned for the SCAR, but not for the AR, unless you happen to have the Noveske selector center that uses SCAR selector levers. My name is on the selector patent (issued) and BAD-EPS patent (pending), and I'm still receiving royalties on them, so it's not in my best interest to compete with my old company, and myself to some extent.

Even if the settlement on which we all agreed didn't prohibit me from doing so, I still think the selector market is already crowded with very good designs, why bring another to the market that only has cosmetic and incremental differences? I'd have to compete with established brands and newer models, dilute the market with yet another model, and it'd just look bad for me and Forward Controls to do it.

RE: cross hatch like the 1911 front strap, I will look into it. ABC/R's larger paddles are excellent canvas on which to work, there's so much room. I'd have tons of fun naming it, it could have subtle or overt WEVO tribute if it gets made :P

[UWone77]

Sorry to let you guys down, we will not be designing or making any selectors for the AR. We do have levers designed and redesigned for the SCAR, but not for the AR, unless you happen to have the Noveske selector center that uses SCAR selector levers. My name is on the selector patent (issued) and BAD-EPS patent (pending), and I'm still receiving royalties on them, so it's not in my best interest to compete with my old company, and myself to some extent.

Even if the settlement on which we all agreed didn't prohibit me from doing so, I still think the selector market is already crowded with very good designs, why bring to another to the market that only has cosmetic and incremental differences? I'd have to compete with established brands and newer models, dilute the market with yet another model, and it'd just look bad for me and Forward Controls to do it.

RE: cross hatch like the 1911 front strap, I will look into it. ABC/R's larger paddles are excellent canvas on which to work, there's so much room. I'd have tons of fun naming it, it could have subtle or overt WEVO tribute if it gets made :P

Probably a good idea Roger. Like you said, the selector market is saturated, and I think personally the original BAD-ASS design has been surpassed by others.

[Duffy]

Richard, the BAD-ASS is the old guard that started it all. Other designs may use other means of lever attachment and different levers in attempts to surpass it, and some may have done so incrementally, there is nothing wrong with way the BAD-ASS and BAD-CASS levers look, work, and attach to the center, thus had I been able to design and make my own, I still wouldn't bring another to market with marginal and probably negligible improvements.

Troy and AXTS both use spring loaded detent to secure the lever, and both wobble. I do like the AXTS Talon levers though.

Our SCAR lever incorporate some changes to the shape of the lever, but they're still incremental. For the SCAR, they're better than anything in existence. The SCAR market is small enough these levers may be postponed again, but we are bringing out the SCAR charging handles that make much more impact to the way SCAR operates.

[UWone77]

My biggest issue with the BAD-ASS is, in my experience the screws back out over time, even with loctite. In fact I've had the lever come off completely during shooting sessions. The BAD-CASS is an improvement, but IMHO the AXTS Talon is a far superior design with the detents. I've slowly migrated to the Talon on newer builds. The downside is the Talon is slightly more expensive, but does offer 45 or 90 degree selectors without the lower having to be cutout for 45 degree selectors.

[SINNER]

I like the AXTS and the Noveske's the best. Curious to see the SCAR levers.

[Duffy]

Richard, that's not the typical behavior of the BAD-ASS, but it can happen, there are variables at play. With the Talon though there are no screws, the levers can't be tightened and so they wobble. Not a defect just the result of the spring loaded, detent secured levers. I do like the shape of their levers.

[Stickman]

Richard, that's not the typical behavior of the BAD-ASS, but it can happen, there are variables at play. With the Talon though there are no screws, the levers can't be tightened and so they wobble. Not a defect just the result of the spring loaded, detent secured levers. I do like the shape of their levers.

Don't listen to him Roger, he's lame. [:D]

[Duffy]

Lol :P
I talked to Josh Underwood at AXTS about the wobble, of course he's aware of it. He had graciously sent me two to play with. My conclusion is it doesn't affect the functionality of the selector, there's a slight slack before the dovetail interface is engaged and starts to move the selector center.

Anyway, back to the ABC/R. I like the 1911 front strap 20lpi pattern, and am considering doing a small run of them. The only drawback I can think of, and this may be overthinking it, is the pattern is rather fine, and has little tolerance of mud or snow. It doesn't take much for either to get on, fill in the grooves and render the surface smooth. The same could be said of any control surface with too fine a serration/checkering pattern, maybe it's not a big deal. Standard ABC/R's serrations are widely spaced and more tolerance of it.

[din]

Roger, do you have a link to the patent for the SCAR selectors, or any illustrations? The patent link on your site is dead.

[mtdawg169]

Roger, are you all out of forged models?

[din]

Lol :P
I talked to Josh Underwood at AXTS about the wobble, of course he's aware of it. He had graciously sent me two to play with. My conclusion is it doesn't affect the functionality of the selector, there's a slight slack before the dovetail interface is engaged and starts to move the selector center.

Anyway, back to the ABC/R. I like the 1911 front strap 20lpi pattern, and am considering doing a small run of them. The only drawback I can think of, and this may be overthinking it, is the pattern is rather fine, and has little tolerance of mud or snow. It doesn't take much for either to get on, fill in the grooves and render the surface smooth. The same could be said of any control surface with too fine a serration/checkering pattern, maybe it's not a big deal. Standard ABC/R's serrations are widely spaced and more tolerance of it.

You could always go a little bit bigger than 20lpi. Guncrafter Industries does some checkering in 15lpi, it's very comfortable.

[Aragorn]

I like the 1911 front strap 20lpi pattern, and am considering doing a small run of them.

You're not about making my decision making process any easier, are you?

[fledge]

I'm in for the front strap pattern. 15lpi or 20lpi or whatever. Glad you're at least considering it.

[Duffy]

Unfortunately yes, I'm sure what's happening at War Sports isn't news to industry folks that saw its rapid expansion, and wholesale replacement of the original crew with folks I never met or knew. We no longer have any business dealing with them. The forging dies cost a pretty penny, I can still get them if I can find someone to machine them. Till then, we are switching to billet, which was the original design anyway.


Roger, are you all out of forged models?

[Duffy]

din, the patent I was referring to is the BAD-ASS/BAD-CASS patent. I don't have a patent for the SCAR levers :) The link is fixed, it keeps getting whacked.

They're almost organic looking, but their looks are the results of their function: to fit the finger better and provide more surface area than a straight line can.

We'll bring them to market next year, they've seen several design changes and I like them.

15 or 20lpi it is, we'll see how they look on the ABC/R :P


Roger, do you have a link to the patent for the SCAR selectors, or any illustrations? The patent link on your site is dead.

[mtdawg169]

Who's got the ABC/R available currently?

[SINNER]

http://www.redbarnarmory.com/Forward-Controls-Design-ABC-R-Bolt-Catch-p/fcd-abc-r.htm

I've dealt with Red Barn in the past and always had good results.

[Pyzik]

I've ordered from then a few times with good results.

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[Duffy]

Rainier Arms, High Velocity Arms, Tacticalink, Wing Tactical, Red Barn Armory, and AIM
http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Dealers_ep_41.html

Some may have ABC/R-F still. High Velocity Arms got the last of the polished ABC/R-F (still had them last week) :)

[mtdawg169]

Rainier Arms, High Velocity Arms, Tacticalink, Wing Tactical, Red Barn Armory, and AIM
http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Dealers_ep_41.html

Some may have ABC/R-F still. High Velocity Arms got the last of the polished ABC/R-F (still had them last week) :)

Thanks. I scored an ABC/R-F from HVA and a few other goodies I've been putting off.

[Duffy]

We'll get our greedy hands on the dimpled ABC/R prototype soon, more pics to follow when it arrives :P

[Duffy]

Work in progress [BD]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimples2_zpsjrwftrzi.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimples2_zpsjrwftrzi.jpg.html)

[Aragorn]

Work in progress [BD]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimples2_zpsjrwftrzi.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimples2_zpsjrwftrzi.jpg.html)

Not bad, but you really got my attention mentioning doing a 20lpi checkered version ;)

[Duffy]

We're investigating the feasibility. We will turn our focus on new products after this [BD]

I'm kind of excited about this new project, I think I'm gonna call it 6315. That's it, no letters or words, a departure from our naming convention but the number means something cool and makes sense once its reason is disclosed :P

[mustangfreek]

Work in progress [BD]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/dimples2_zpsjrwftrzi.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/dimples2_zpsjrwftrzi.jpg.html)

I like...nice job!!

[Pyzik]

https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8437/29203661355_19b373d040_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/LuCp5F)
FCD Offerings (https://flic.kr/p/LuCp5F) by Damage Photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/damagephotos/), on Flickr

[din]

Damn it, Pyzik, this is why we can't have nice things.

[alamo5000]

Damn it, Pyzik, this is why we can't have nice things.

I know, right!? These assholes around here are half the reason I am broke! LOL

[Pyzik]

😔😔 If it helps.... I'm broke too. 😅😅

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[alamo5000]

���� If it helps.... I'm broke too. ����

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Don't worry, you're not the only guilty party with a camera! LOL

With any luck my part time job will be approved for full time soon so I can at least buy stuff and be broke rather than just being broke with nothing to show for it [BD]

[Duffy]

Thank you for the wonderful pic ;)
I like it a great deal, it shows the utilitarian nature of our products. Their construction method, material, and shapes all reflect a design philosophy centered around ergonomics for the user, performance and reliability, not uniqueness and life style.

The EMR-A's design also embodies the same principles.

A possible made-for-Forward-Controls upper receiver is in the works. If it happens, it'll mark the first time we put our logo on a product, but it will be discrete. There isn't much on an upper receiver that needs improvement, but I might have found a thing or two :P

[Aragorn]

�� fml

I'm never gonna get anything done.

[Pyzik]

Awesome. Glad to hear you're wanting to expand.

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[Duffy]

We have to, growth is a matter of course :P

Maybe a lower with some of our design influence too, but it won't have our name on it. I have no intention of becoming an FFL, but I have some ideas that can be put to good use on this lower [crazy]

[fledge]

Looking forward to those developments!

Someone needs to universalized where the lines of uppers and lowers meet. Is the left side pillar even necessary?

[Duffy]

Do you mean the bump above mag catch, to the left of the bolt catch?

[fledge]

Exactly. I understand the relief keeps the mag catch protected and aligned. But I don't see why the total vertical "bump" is necessary. And then the upper has a worthless bump continued to finish it off, which rarely lines up when mixing and matching lowers. It's like a vestigial organ.

[Duffy]

Good point, the top portion of the pillar on the lower can simply be chamfered, or gradually sloped into nothing when it reaches the top edge of the lower, there doesn't need to be a continuation in the form of a bump on the upper, which ends quite abruptly anyway.

[UWone77]

We have to, growth is a matter of course :P

Maybe a lower with some of our design influence too, but it won't have our name on it. I have no intention of becoming an FFL, but I have some ideas that can be put to good use on this lower [crazy]

I figured you'd never want to be an FFL... but that FCD logo would be sweet on a lower designed with your enhancements.

[din]

Awesome, Roger. Anything you can share about potential benefits that might go into the upper and/or lower if they come to fruition?

[fledge]

I think an FDC logo lower with installed FDC and FDC-approved parts would get some attention. Do a limited run for WEVO so we can get the party started.

[Joelski]

Get the Operators standing by. I'm ready to order up!

[Duffy]

Thank you guys, as always, you make this line of work satisfying and rewarding, there are so many knowledgeable folks with so many great ideas.

Soon I will receive the canvas with which to work. It's a billet upper, and that's a good thing because we're not so constrained by a forging's shape from which we can subtract but not add. I think there'll be a bit of both going on.

An upper doesn't have a lot of space for a logo, which suits me just fine. It'll be small and tasteful. If you guys have any requests and suggestions, please do share! Our good friend NSZ85 suggested that these uppers be serialized, so that's already under consideration.

[Duffy]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/Deplorable%20patch_zpsvys6ttst.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/Deplorable%20patch_zpsvys6ttst.jpg.html)

http://forwardcontrolsdesign.com/Deplorable-Patch_p_62.html

IRREDEEMABLE patches available soon.

Free with orders of $75 or more, and available separately for $6 with free shipping. We will make a contribution to a good cause with the proceeds :P

[Duffy]

I have a basket of deplorables too [BD]
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/basket_zpsebs69tqq.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/basket_zpsebs69tqq.jpg.html)

[GOST]

Looking like this election is the Deplorables vs the Deportables.

[Tyrannosaur]

Looking like this election is the Deplorables vs the Deportables.

Oh shit... zing! That's awesome

[alamo5000]

I have a basket of deplorables too [BD]
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/Duffypoo/basket_zpsebs69tqq.jpg (http://s75.photobucket.com/user/Duffypoo/media/basket_zpsebs69tqq.jpg.html)

I like that! I might pick up a few and give them out as gifts.

[SwissyJim]

LOL Just saw the post on FB and ordered it... wifely unit© saw it over my shoulder and yelled "BUY IT!" - even tho she's been after me for my 'spending habit'. [BD]

[din]

Roger, I frickin' love you, man.

[UWone77]

Looking like this election is the Deplorables vs the Deportables.

This needs to be a future WEVO patch.

[Duffy]

Thank you guys!

Jim, you shall find his and her DEPLORABLE patch within :P

The rate at which we give them away, and the postage required to mail them mean we're losing money on these, but I don't care [BD]

[GOST]

I bet these sell out quick.

[Duffy]

It's a matter of time before similar patches flood the market, I saw couple of them. I wanted something simple and to the point, there's no need to dilute the message any by adding anything else [:D]

Thus even what almost qualifies as swag sticks to the design philosophy lol. These patches are made by the fine folks in KY.

Also, IRREDEEMABLE patches are a few days away, but I think the DEPLORABLE patches will be more popular.