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SwissyJim
16 July 2015, 20:34
Anyone have experience with 9mm AR stuff? I'm contemplating building one for the wife. Since she has numerous health issues, and my stuff is too big/heavy for her, I was thinking a really lightweight build with a shorty 9mm barrel on it. She LOVES my Aero 'Pew' lower so I'm going to sacrifice that to her, but I don't even have an idea where to begin - I've never looked at 9mm AR stuff. But I would think the light weight and no recoil might be just what she she needs. Of course it would be SBR'd and suppressed [BD]

Anyways, with all the knowledge in here, someone might be able to tell me what to get/avoid...
Thanks!

Dstrbdmedic167
16 July 2015, 20:47
Following with interest... Would love to have something that slings 147gr's.

GOST
16 July 2015, 20:53
I've played a little with 9mm AR's and they were fun, I don't own one though they belonged to a guy I worked with. For a light rifle with very little recoil I'm a very big fan of the PS90. It's my favorite bullpup.

RogerRonas
16 July 2015, 21:00
Following to gather info as well

Roger

toolboxluis00200
16 July 2015, 21:05
http://shop.masdefense.com/9MM_c41.htm

VIPER 237
16 July 2015, 21:06
If you want to SBR it I would take a serious look at the Scorpion Evo.

alamo5000
16 July 2015, 21:12
If you want to SBR it I would take a serious look at the Scorpion Evo.

His wife running around the a SBR Scorpion... yeah... I think that weapon would get 'borrowed' a whole lot LOL!

I know I would want one...

SwissyJim
16 July 2015, 21:38
http://shop.masdefense.com/9MM_c41.htm
Ahh... that helps. Thanks. As far as the other mentions, she really likes my AR's, just can't really handle them. And I have enough parts all I'd need was the 9mm specific stuff... barrel, BCG and mags/adapters.

I do have a Ruger 10/22 in a bullpup stock but she really dislikes it for whatever reason (I love it). And the Scorpion is awesome... but again, she really likes my AR's. But might be worth pushing a little and see if she bites. It would suit her somewhat better possibly. She does play with my M&P15-22, but wants something ' bigger' [BD]

let the jokes begin... [pop]

toolboxluis00200
16 July 2015, 22:00
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/akx-9r-black-poly-fixed-stock-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/akx-9s-side-folding-stock-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

toolboxluis00200
16 July 2015, 22:02
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/tavor-sar-b17-9-dedicated-9mm-detail.html?Itemid=0

Computalotapus
17 July 2015, 04:50
If you want to do a dedicated 9mm build...

http://www.quartercircle10.com/

alamo5000
17 July 2015, 05:38
If you want to do a dedicated 9mm build...

http://www.quartercircle10.com/

Now that's what I'm talking about right there. Nice.

Now you got me thinking!

BoilerUp
17 July 2015, 06:36
Anyone have experience with 9mm AR stuff? I'm contemplating building one for the wife. Since she has numerous health issues, and my stuff is too big/heavy for her, I was thinking a really lightweight build with a shorty 9mm barrel on it. She LOVES my Aero 'Pew' lower so I'm going to sacrifice that to her, but I don't even have an idea where to begin - I've never looked at 9mm AR stuff. But I would think the light weight and no recoil might be just what she she needs. Of course it would be SBR'd and suppressed [BD]

Anyways, with all the knowledge in here, someone might be able to tell me what to get/avoid...
Thanks!

Sig MPX-P https://www.primaryarms.com/Sig_Sauer_MPX_9MM_8_Pistol_30RD_p/mpx-p-9.htm

UWone77
17 July 2015, 08:14
A Sig MPX is on top of my list as well. I'm going to order a factory SBR shortly.

However, when it comes to 9mm AR's you have a couple of options. You can build one up like your typical AR, such as the Angstadtarms, which only uses a handful of proprietary parts, and uses Glock Magazines. You can buy a stripped receiver set and build at your leisure.

http://angstadtarms.com/

Another option is Quarter Circle Ten. Also based off of Glock Mags. I believe Rainier is also working with them to bring their own branded 9mm carbine/PDW to market.

https://www.quartercircle10.com/

Or if you can find one, you can just buy a factory Colt 6951.

Kopis
17 July 2015, 09:47
lone wolf makes a dedicated 9mm lower that takes glock mags. Very favorably reviewed. You have to machine just a slice off your BCG but they will do the work if you send it to them.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/10/jeremy-s/gun-review-lone-wolf-g9-ar-15-lower-receiver-for-glock-magazines/

Pyzik
17 July 2015, 10:44
A 9mm carbine is on the want list. Looking forward to what you come up with.

SwissyJim
17 July 2015, 11:29
Thanks all... as much as I'd like a new, complete gun - that's out. As is a dedicated 9mm lower, simply due to cost. I have most of what I need so I'm trying to keep the cost down. Truthfully, I wonder how much she would use it, even as much as she says she'd want to. She has a hard enough time with my .22 pistols, she can't rack the slides on my Glocks... health issues SUCK. Pretty much anything she has will be a bench rest shooter anyways.

But the info on the barrels and whatnot helps... I have some reading to do, and maybe some more work with the wife on what I have, to see what might be possible. Maybe I can talk her/me into the dedicated lower from Quarter Circle... that would be awesome as it looks so much better than a standard AR lower with the block installed in the magwell.

JoshAston
17 July 2015, 12:00
9mm ARs aren't exactly low recoil. The rearward recoil isn't too bad, but the forward recoil from a heavy bolt and buffer slamming into the rear of the barrel extension can be pretty jarring. If it's just a fun gun, I'd look at a .22 over a 9mm.

9mm can be kind of finicky as well. You may have to tune mags, adjust your mag block, play around with different buffers, etc. I'm using a dedicated CMMG lower and Metalform mags. All of my mags had to have the follower adjusted.

Other issues, the 9mm bolt likes to break bolt catches. There's a lot of over travel present in the 9mm, so it gets a good running start on the bolt catch and will snap it in half. You can either use a longer buffer to limit the over travel or a spacer behind the buffer. A stack of quarters works well.

If you use a non ramped bolt it can be harsh on hammer pins. And with the non ramped bolts you have to make sure you're not using a notched hammer. Ramped bolts are pretty common these days though and they're much easier on the hammer pins and allow you to use pretty much any hammer.

SwissyJim
17 July 2015, 16:30
well nuts... she was reading over my shoulder and saw the recoil mention. Now she's not so sure. Have to find some reviews and/or videos.

toolboxluis00200
17 July 2015, 17:26
If not just go 22lr u can get a 4.5 inch barrel add a suppresor and your done

found a few pis and videos
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff509/Flipz79/IMAG0282.jpg (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/Flipz79/media/IMAG0282.jpg.html)
http://js415.smugmug.com/Other/22LR-Upper-build/i-dwPnG5x/0/M/IMG_20150227_180243_325-M.jpg
https://youtu.be/rqyHKRrnSBc
https://youtu.be/qS5TiUrU_c8

rob_s
21 July 2015, 03:14
IME the 9mm AR recoil is harsher than the 5.56, although neither are particularly bad. But if your wife's issue has to do with the recoil, I'd be looking to go as light as possible on a 5.56 and try to tune out the recoil with adjustable gas blocks, muzzle brakes, etc.

BoilerUp
21 July 2015, 06:51
A Sig MPX is on top of my list as well. I'm going to order a factory SBR shortly.

I was planning on getting a pistol and then SBR'ing it in the future, but given the current state of Form 1's in WA I'll probably also just order a factory SBR. Probably not until next year, though. Still need to set up a trust.

SwissyJim
21 July 2015, 08:13
yeah, things are on hold for her... typical indecisive women (LMAO). Says she'll play with my M&P15-22 more, so I'm going to use the funds to redo and reorganize my optics between the rifles. Plus I get my PewPew lower back to plan something with [:D]


IME the 9mm AR recoil is harsher than the 5.56, although neither are particularly bad. But if your wife's issue has to do with the recoil, I'd be looking to go as light as possible on a 5.56 and try to tune out the recoil with adjustable gas blocks, muzzle brakes, etc.
weight and recoil...

Soisauss
21 July 2015, 10:30
If you want to do a dedicated 9mm build...

http://www.quartercircle10.com/

Whoa!! That site is awesome!

Thanks!

Computalotapus
21 July 2015, 12:13
yeah, things are on hold for her... typical indecisive women (LMAO). Says she'll play with my M&P15-22 more, so I'm going to use the funds to redo and reorganize my optics between the rifles. Plus I get my PewPew lower back to plan something with [:D]


weight and recoil...

I will say this out of all the rifles I have and have shot.. my wifes UCWRG build has the lightest felt recoil and little to no muzzle rise. It comes in at right at 7lbs. This could be lightened up with a different rail and optic (currently sports a 3x9... I know I know you can flog me later). The down fall is that the Phase 5 muzzle brake is the loudest thing I have ever heard and the concussion off it actually makes me nauseas. I can literally feel my internals shake around every time she pulls the trigger. I know there are tons of other brakes on the market that show the same results but this is the only one I have experience with. Would love to get my hands an a lantac dragon with a shroud and compare it. But she wants nothing to do with changing what she has.

Computalotapus
21 July 2015, 12:17
Whoa!! That site is awesome!

Thanks!

Yeah I got a dream sheet made up for one of these as well :)

UWone77
22 July 2015, 11:24
Jim,

I'd just build her a SBR .22LR upper and call it a day if she doesn't like recoil. That's the direction I'm leaning towards on my wife's gun.

However, you should still build a 9mm for yourself.

SwissyJim
22 July 2015, 22:00
Jim,

I'd just build her a SBR .22LR upper and call it a day if she doesn't like recoil. That's the direction I'm leaning towards on my wife's gun.

However, you should still build a 9mm for yourself.

I've been reading up on the M&P forum... I may get another M&P15-22 and SBR that. I have a standard one and love it. And a 9mm for me is probably my next build, but before that I am going to completely redo my optics between all my guns as I'm not totally happy with the route I took to this point. Now that I have a few more rounds thru my guns, I can correct the misconceptions I had as a 'new' black rifle owner and make them all sing that much better for me.

GOST
23 July 2015, 02:22
What direction are you going with your optics Jim?

SwissyJim
23 July 2015, 14:18
I've got mostly PA red dots, and one EOtech. My plan is to get a 1x4 or 1x6 scope for the 6290, put the EOtech and magnifier on the Tavor, get a COMP M4 for the 5.56 SBR for battery life/SHTF fun, and put the red dots on my 300BLK SBR, M&P15-22 and 10/22. And probably a fixed set of irons for the 458Socom upper. Maybe something different for the 300BLK, not sure. Since I plan to try and take it caribou hunting, probably another 1x4/6 scope - but with a good mount I can swap the 6920 and 300BLK with a day to re-zero it. As I get older, my astigmatism is really playing hell with the red dot stuff... altho the EOTech is not bad with glasses for some reason. However the PA dots are getting to be not as much fun but should be fine on the .22's for what I use them for.

Also as I get more of a higher round count under my belt, my ideas on distance, ammo, targets and so on, the choices I made initially (red dots, magnifier) are not quite cutting it. Now, if the red dots were crisp and sharp to my eyes, the dots would be good. But since I see them as more of a small drop of jelly all smudged out on the edges of the glass, I'd like to sharpen things up. That, and I've always had hunting guns and optics until the black rifle bug bit me, so I thought the red dots were the 'tacticool' thing to have. Well, yeah, but... practicality is now starting to win me over. I like my hunting scopes and I'm good with them so I'm going to incorporate that into my builds, and since they are sharp to me, why not go with what I know.

Just need to soak up some OT to pay for plan A. Plan B is just to wing it as I have been and try to snag a good deal here and there[BD]

WHSmithIV
23 July 2015, 20:39
I like those dedicated 9mm lower receivers better than using a milspec lower receiver with the 9mm mag adapter inster. They just look so much cleaner.

SwissyJim
24 July 2015, 23:26
I like those dedicated 9mm lower receivers better than using a milspec lower receiver with the 9mm mag adapter inster. They just look so much cleaner.

I would have to agree... the dedicated lowers do look much leaner. If/when I do one, I'll have to seriously look at getting one