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Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:04
What are the parts on your AR15, what options did you consider, and why did you go with your decision? This should become a good resource for people who are interested in building a weapon, and might be facing similar decisions.

Army Chief started a question in another thread asking why I went with certain specific components on a weapon. Taking the Chiefs idea, I figured why not take it a step farther, and explain the layout of your weapon, or weapons.

The below carbine is a recent configuration. I wanted something suppressed that was somewhat short, and usable as a jack of all trades.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_7918%20A%201028%20Stick.jpg



I'll start from front to back, and top to bottom.

The first thing on the front is obviously the suppressor. I kicked around a few different ideas for this project. I am an AAC fan, so I didn't look any farther than the AAC SPR/M4, Ranger II, and M4-1000/ SCAR Light can. AAC cans have fully welded cores and since a can means ATF paperwork and a taxstamp, I don't plan on buying anything that isn't going to yield max durability. I think that at this time, AAC is the only one fully welding cans, the rest are spot welded. That doesn't make them bad, but I'm a fan of good welds.

Each can offers different pros and cons. The SPR/M4 installs over the barrel, and decreases blowback. The Ranger II screws onto a threaded barrel, and is the most affordable. The AAC SCAR Light is a can which I've obviously used and abused. Its similar to the M4-1000, which is a rapid attach can, and middle of the road in cost, but high on the quality scale.

The can I choose was the AAC SPR/M4. One reason for this was that it is a top of the line can, and doesn't extend out super far. The lack of blowback means that I don't need to run a gasbuster charging handle. For people who haven't run a can on FA, or done rapid fire, the heavy ammonia smell is enough to make your eyes close involuntarily and water heavily if you have the right wind or are creating a heavy volume of fire.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AAC/IMG_7979%201028%20Stick.jpg


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Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:13
Moving up the weapon we run into the flash suppressor, and since that is part of the rapid attach for the can, there isn't much else to say about it. Its worth noting that the AAC open end FS reduces flash at least as well as anything else I've ever used when evaluated during night fire drills.

The next thing is the barrel. For this, I went with the Noveske 12.5" SS barrel. The SS barrel profile is a little heavier than its 4150 counterpart, but it wasn't a concern for this project. The Noveske barrels aren't the run of the mill SS blanks, and tend to last much longer than many of their SS competition. Noveske also hits the chamber to create a sweet spot that allows for solid accuracy, while maintaining reliability. Its an issue that I'll never need to worry about because this isn't going to be fired with hand rolled ammo, or given the tend love and care that a marksman/ sniper imparts on their steel child.

After the barrel, we hit the gasblock. For this, we are looking at the exposed block of the Noveske Rifleworks adjustable gasblock. I'm usually not a fan of exposed gasblocks, and in general feel that they are best left covered by a rail for protection. In this case, the Noveske is a pinned unit, as well as setscrewed and there is no concern about it coming loose or getting knocked out of alignment. The adjustable feature is still a pretty new creation, and its designed for compatibility with cans. Since this carbine is going to wear a can much of the time, the adjustable gas block seems like a good way to do things.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AAC/IMG_7953%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:24
Next we hit the rail and front sight. The rail is a choice that is governed by several things, and in this case I went with overall durability over cost considerations. Thats a theme that continues pretty much throughout this carbine. The Vltor VIS is a continuous rail that extends from its heavily reinforced upper. This upper is a complete Noveske build, and is one of the few uppers I have which I didn't build myself. While I'm a fan of other rail systems which tend to be a little lighter, the VIS is a highly durable piece that has little flex in just about any condition I can imagine.

The front sight is going to be a little disappointing. The front and rear sights are on there simply because that is what came with the upper from the factory. The Noveske BUIS are Troy Battlesight variants. I like the Troy well enough, but I've broken mine twice, so I'm not as in love with them as some people on the internet. Good sights none the less, but my personal experiences tend to form my opinions more than the comments of others.



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_7971%201028%20stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:33
Next we reach the optic. Selection for the optic came down to the proverbial handful (shown below). I decided on the Aimpoint T-1 in the ADM mount. The reason for the T-1 is that I like its low print on the weapon. The optic is highly durable (I've killed Eotechs), and battery life is high. The small size reduces weight, though lets not kid anyone, this isn't a light weight carbine.

The American Defense Mfg mount was choosen for a few reasons. I like the ability to adjust a mount without needing tools. I tend to swap optics back and forth quite a bit, and will often pull optics off my weapon to let students use them in classes. The lack of tools means it can adjust in the middle of the range in seconds. Did you know that the US Military requires a tool free adjustment in their current solicitations for mounts? The next reason is that ADM uses a mount that increases surface area and tension without camming directly against the rail surface. This prevents rail damage. Discoloration and scuffs aren't an issue in my book, but anything more serious is. The military considers the rail and surfaces to be expendable, I don't. Most people will probably never even take their QD mounts on and off, and with that in mind, there are loads of good options for you to choose from with your mount search.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Parts%2C%20Mags%20%26%20Bayonets/Weapon%20parts/IMG_7984%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:37
On the back end we obviously have the stock. There are a LOT of great stocks to choose from, and if people can't find a stock to make themselves happy, they need to get off the internet and go shooting more. Shown below are a few of the options that I had for this project. I choose the new Magpul ACS stock. The stock is new, has loads of battery storage that I'll never completely fill, a QD socket, a locking cam that prevents wobble on the receiver extension (buffer tube), is light weight, and most importantly, a fantastic cheek weld.

If those reasons aren't enough, its brand new, its Magpul, and everyone wants one. I'm honest, any of these stocks would work well, but the ACS has really grown on me over the past few months of playing around with the prototype.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_7965%201028%20stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:42
Working to the underside of the carbine we see a few things. First, most people will probably notice that the A2 pistol grip is removed, and a Magpul MIAD grip is used. I have no qualms about saying that I should have used the Magpul trigger guard as well on this lower. In the future, I'll be fixing that as my finger will thank me in the long run.

The next thing that may be of interest is that little extra pin. The lower used is a Noveske Full Auto (FA) lower, commonly referred to as a M16 lower. Why did I go with this lower for this build? I would be lying if I said it was for any noble purpose, its here because you don't see many Noveske M16 lowers. I think that will change as SRT/ SWAT and other agency teams start understanding the overall quality level that comes with the Noveske weapon systems.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_7972%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:47
Next we see the magazine, and in this case its the Magpul EMAG, which is considered the export version of the PMAG. Its great for this picture, but I'll be sticking with PMAGS for most of my work. There are certainly other options out there, and I still have gear that is loaded with USGI magazines. In all of those mags I've rebuilt them and dropped in new followers (Magpul), which has made a nice difference. For people who have never had a feed problem with a black or green follower, you lead a charmed life. I've had multiple problems with both, including a real world failure to feed off a green follower mag. That was the last time I tried to save a couple bucks on magazines or mag parts.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Noveske/IMG_7975%201028%20stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:50
Now we are down to the Vertical Fore Grip (VFG). Shown below, you can see there were a few different option for this one, as well as other which aren't shown (too lazy to dig them out of the garage). The Bobro Shorty VFG is on this one because its a little shorter and thinner than the others. I like and use the others, but the Bobro seemed to work nicely on this one.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Parts%2C%20Mags%20%26%20Bayonets/Weapon%20parts/IMG_7981%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 16:54
Lights are next, and simply put, the Surefire M600C-TN Kit 01 that showed up at my house has shown itself to be the brightest, smallst and lightest of any of my lights. The larger Surefire may or may not put out a little more juice, but when you consider the size and weight, the little 600 wins hands down. The little adjustment knob locks up tight, and it comes with a tape switch that I'll never use. I've seen too many tape switches get hit on accident, and at the worst possible times. I know the color doesn't match the rest of the weapon, but somehow I'll get over that. If it really offends me, God made Krylon.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Parts%2C%20Mags%20%26%20Bayonets/Weapon%20parts/IMG_7980%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 17:01
We conclude this parts selection with the sling. Since a sling is nothing more than a holster to a long gun, its easy to see why there is no excuse for skimping on quality. Ever watch a slung weapon hit the deck when it comes undone? Its not pretty, and if it happens to you, drop and push em out, there is no excuse for letting your weapon hit the ground.

You can see that I've got quite the pile of slings, and the image below is only a portion (once again I was too lazy to get the rest out). The current offerings that I'm a fan of are Gear Sector and Blue Force Gear, with upcoming models from Magpul and ARMS that look to be well made also.

Out of the pile, I go with the Gear Sector GS-2P. My reason is simple, its the same sling that I carry on my duty weapon. This allows thought free simplicity, and for me, thats a good thing. The GS-2P can be configured as an adjustable two point, and within seconds can switch over to an adjustable one point. This makes it a win win sling from my view. The Gear Sector is also modular, which means its attachment stubs can be used for multiple slings from the Gear Sector family.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Parts%2C%20Mags%20%26%20Bayonets/Weapon%20parts/IMG_7985%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stickman
28 January 2009, 17:05
Last but not least, here it is in its final configuration.


Thoughts, comments, concerns are all welcome.

Hopefully other people are willing to explain why they built their carbine up the way they did also. I doubt anyone will be as long winded as me, but thats probably a good thing, anything is welcome. [:D]



http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AAC/IMG_7976%201028%20Stick.jpg

Ryo
28 January 2009, 17:47
That was beautifully done... now I want your rifle. Too bad I can't get your lower since it's a contraband item for me.

Man.. I'm drooling..

jmart
28 January 2009, 20:58
On the back end we obviously have the stock. There are a LOT of great stocks to choose from, and if people can't find a stock to make themselves happy, they need to get off the internet and go shooting more. Shown below are a few of the options that I had for this project. I choose the new Magpul ACS stock. The stock is new, has loads of battery storage that I'll never completely fill, a QD socket, a locking cam that prevents wobble on the receiver extension (buffer tube), is light weight, and most importantly, a fantastic cheek weld.

If those reasons aren't enough, its brand new, its Magpul, and everyone wants one. I'm honest, any of these stocks would work well, but the ACS has really grown on me over the past few months of playing around with the prototype.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20III/IMG_7965%201028%20stick.jpg

Uhhmmmmm....oh really? And all those off-line inquiries, they just, just.......

In all seriousness, do you have an all-up weight on the final config?

Army Chief
28 January 2009, 22:30
Quite simply, that is the best, most engaging, and most informative such post that I have ever seen anywhere, at any time, by anyone. Had it been in a hardcopy magazine format (i.e. Stick's Guide to Fighting AR Configurations), I would have bought a half-dozen copies on the spot. [:)]

Will surely have more to say about this later in the day, but for now, thanks very much, Stick -- beautiful work and exceptional reasoning, as always!

AC

Ryo
28 January 2009, 23:25
Okay I'm out of drool.. now I'm just jealous.. Especially for the the one 2nd from the left. What a beauty!

Paulo_Santos
29 January 2009, 03:54
I'll give it a try, minus the nice Stickman style pics. Here is my Personal AR:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f376/paulosantos/100_5195.jpg

Living in NJ, I cannot have any of the evils that most of you guys can, but I have found a couple of ways to make the best of it.

UPPER:
I wanted a platform that allowed me to quickly change barrels and caliber. I checked around and it was between the Robnson Arms XCR or the LMT MRP. I finally settled on the MRP because I am very familiar with the AR platform. SO far I have the LMR 16" Piston Upper and a 16" Chrome lined 6.8SPC MRP barrel. I plan on getting a 16" 5.56 Stainless Steel barel in the future.

Muzzle Device:
Since I must have a permanently attached Muzzle brake on my barrels, I had to find a muzzle brake that was not obnoxious as most brakes. I have been using the FSC556/FSC30 and they are the best combination brake that is also very good at reducing he flash

Stock:
In NJ, you can't have a collapsible stock, but you can have a collapsible stock that is pined so it doesn't collapse. I decided on the Vltor E-Mod for many reasons. Very Comfortable, good balance, decent price. I sent the stock to ADCO Firearms and they pinned the stock in the position that I wanted and it is impossible to tell it is pinned because you can't see the pins.

Magazines:
I use the PRI 15 Round magazines for the 6.8SPC an the C-Products 10 rounders. I would definitely prefer the PMAG's if given a chance.

Trigger:
I'm a big fan of 2-stage triggers. I bought a WOA Tuned RRA last year and I keep telling myself that once it craps out on me, I will get the Geiselle SSA or Hi-Speed. 12+K wounds later and the WOA tuned RRA is running strong and still feels as good as when I got it.

Optics:
I wanted a multi-purpose AR, so I wanted a sight to match. After trying several optics, I settled on the Swarovski Z6i Illuminated Circle Dot. I've had it for over a year and it is a great scope.

BUIS:
I went with the Troy front and rea because I needed the BUIS, to be low-profile enough to fit under the scope. I also prefer the Same Plane Aperature Rer BUIS, so the Troy was a no brainer for me.

Slings:
I have tried nearly every sling outthere and there are only a couple of slings that fit MY SHOOTING STYLE. I want a sling that adjusts quickly, easy to transition weapon to the weakside, and can be used as a shooting aid. After trying many sings, the only ones that I like are the:
1. Vikings V-Tac.
2. Specter Gear CST Sling.
3. Gear Sector GS-2P, if it had more slack for me because of the way I shoot.

Weaponlight:
I went with the Pentagon Stealth light, which is very good.

Accessories:
Harris 6-9" BRM-S bi-pod on QDM QD Mount. I don't care for the VFG's, so I have the Tangodown Rail Covers and use the tape switch to activate the weapon light.

caporider
29 January 2009, 09:32
Here's my go-to carbine in 5.56:

http://www.visuality.com/personal/556/556_sbr_1000.jpg

Since I wanted a handy size for maneuverability, but wanted to maximize the fragmentation range of my 75gr 5.56 TAP rounds, I chose a 12.5" barrel length - this barrel is an Operator from Global Tactical (1:7 twist, heavy under the handguards). This also allowed me to mount a Surefire reflex adapter in combination with the LT 9.0 handguard. The Surefire can itself is a rugged unit and has not given me a lick of trouble. You do need to clean the adapter of carbon fairly frequently to ensure the can doesn't stick to the mount. No big deal.

The gas block is a cut-down pinned FSB, as I wanted the gas block to stay put. Adco Firearms did a great job of cutting it to fit under the LT handguards. The upper is a CMT with extended feed ramps. The lower is a Mega Gator. The bolt carrier is an FN contract unit, and the bolt is a BCM unit. The charging handle is a PRI Gas Buster.

Front and rear BUIS are Troy units, with the front being the M4 configuration. IMHO these are the best BUIS out there and all my rifles wear them. The Aimpoint T-1 rides on an LT low mount, which in turn is locked onto a DD offset rail mount. I have the T-1 zeroed at 15 yards, since past that I just use the TA33. Acquiring the T-1 just takes a quick tilt of the rifle - there is no change in cheekweld. For longer range work, the TA33R-8 is pretty ideal. I have the TA33 zeroed at 100 yards to make use of the BDC ladder. The flip cap is there to allow the use of the ACOG in OEG mode, although this requires the shooter to adjust for offset. The 3x fixed mag is a good match to this carbine's intended max range of about 300 yards, and you just can't argue with the very generous eye relief. Both the TA33 and the T-1 offer an always-on, daylight visible reticle, which continues to make shooting on a snap reticle picture much easier than with a non-illuminated reticle. This optics combo replaces a S&B Short Dot, which I found much too heavy and much too large, in addition to finding the FFP reticle at 4x not as usable due to the illuminated dot being very large.

The light is a Surefire G2L with a Malkoff drop in LED and Surefire clickie tailcap. The mount is a Larue LT606 offset, which in its current position puts the light at 11 o' clock, which is just about ideal. The reach up for my thumb is also perfect, as I use the VFG as a handstop instead of a handle. The VFG itself is a TD stubby mounted to a Larue #17/ARMS rail combination. I'm thinking about cutting the VFG down to a stub handstop -- I've already done this on another carbine and am continuing to experiment with how it works.

http://www.visuality.com/personal/556/556_sbr_cu_1000.jpg

The MIAD grip is sort of self-explanatory by now, as is the Magpul extended trigger guard. The stock is a milspec CTR, which is my go-to stock on all my carbines. It does what it needs to do, locks up solidly, and weighs next to nothing. The endplate sling mount is a KAC unit, although I tend to run my VTAC 2-point sling mounted to the CTR, with the QD attachment on the right side of the stock (try it sometime to see how it stops your sling from being shoved into your shoulder by the buttpad).

Mags are all PMAGs. Nothing else comes close, and I have a bunch of them.

All-up weight of this configuration with a full 30 round mag is 9.5lbs. I could take a pound off by reprofiling the barrel under the handguards to be lighter. I may yet do this, but the weight and balance have not been an issue (especially coming from the Short Dot). The can does extend the length and put a bit over a pound exactly where you don't want it, but overall the compromises of shooting suppressed are minimized in this configuration.

OUTLAW-ONE
29 January 2009, 10:27
Stick I love it! awesome set up.
This is my AR. The only thing I still want to get for it is the MBUS in FDE and the Magpul sling in FDE.
It is a Vltor MUR upper, Spikes 416 style lower, 10'' Troy rail, Sabre Defense barrel, ARMS 40L BUIS, Troy front BUIS, Pmags, UBR stock, AAC flash hider & can, T-1 micro/LaRue mount, Tango Down grip, MIAD & Xiphos NT light.

http://media8.dropshots.com/photos/254538/20090129/b_134033.jpg


http://media7.dropshots.com/photos/254538/20090129/b_133435.jpg

Ryo
29 January 2009, 11:39
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn14/Ryo_Ohki2/IMG_1931copy.jpg
OLD PICTURE, will update later

Upper: VLTOR VIS-2A
The monorail system provides me with a very stable platform. Structurally stable, no worries of the rails being skewed. Free floating barrel system is perfect for my Lothar Walter barrel for repeatable shots. Plus it looks great

Barrel: SS Lothar Walter 18" barrel, 1/8 twist
Selected for it quality and accuracy. I wanted a long range shooter, but not a extremely long length barrel. The twist ratio gives me a wide selection of bullets. It's able to stablize 55 gr to 70 gr bullets in flight. I haven't tried heavier round yet. Groupings can be under 2" at 200 yards to the best of my ability. (I'm not a expert) Barrel is heavier than the standard barrel. Blued to keep it matching the rest of the rifle.


http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn14/Ryo_Ohki2/JRARRRGH.jpg
(View for lower side. Optics are on a different rifle)

Lower: Originally was the LMT lower (SOPMOD), but changed out to the Tom Sawyer Mfg Pirate Lower.
The lower and the upper made a better fit than the LMT. Extremely tight where I could barely get the rear takedown bolt in. No wiggle room. Also selected it as a talk about piece at the range. Sadden that I can't ever use the Plunder mode. (Ends up this was originally Stickman's.. bought it from someone else though.. what a small world!)

Trigger: Geissele DMR
Geissele.. that says it all. The absolute best trigger ever. Replaced a CMMG 2 stage, which is really a great trigger, for the Geissele to see what the rant was about. It's very clean, crisp trigger. Haven't tried it with long range shooting yet due to the weather, but expect it to improve my grouping. (I hope)

Trigger Guard: Magpul Enhance Trigger Guard
Got it because it looks great. But it does add the ability to wear gloves.

Grip: Falcon Enterprise Ergo Sure Grip
Just feels comfortable, easy to hold, no slip. Best grip I've ever used. Haven't tried the MIAD, but thought the MOE grip was pretty good.

Buttstock: Magpul UBR
Even though I liked the LMT SOPMOD, I found the UBR was much more sleeker, and had less of a cheek weld which interfered with me getting to my scope. The weight on the UBR nicely balanced out the weight of the Lothar Walter barrel weight. It also feels very sturdy, and I like the ability to pull a trigger on the stock to adjust it to a preset length without even having to guess if I'm in the right lock position.

Scope: Bushnell Elite 4200 Series - 6242P (4-24x, 40mm)
Very clear optic, price within my budget. Variable zoom allows me to shoot farther out as well as act like a scope to view where my shots are grouping. Eye relief is great at low power magnification, but for 24x you have to get into the sweet spot.

Scope mount: LaRue LT-104
Great mount. Stable, easy to remove compared to my old Armilite mount. I haven't tried repeatibility of accuracy from removing the mount and putting it back on, but I heard it's pretty close to be back on zero.. but that's hearsay.

Rail Covers 1: Magpul XTM
Multi color to get the digital camo look. I have to give credit to Stickman for showing me how good it looks in his photos. I got to stop buying everything he show me pictures of..

Rail Covers 2: Ladders
Used to protect the rails from damage, but at the same time give me marker locations where to put all my hardware back on the rifle. Usage on the upper side only.

Rail Cover 3: Magpul XT
Used for under side rail to complete a circular grip around handguard. (Also not waste my investment in buying them. They are very nice.)

Bipod: Bobro bipod
Light weight, durable, easy to deploy and easy to adjust leg height. The durabiliy has been tested where I actually extend the legs out even when in the closed position to protect my barrel/FH from getting hit in the dirt when doing some training. Note I rarely have it hit, but there's time when having to move to prone position quickly where I appreciate the extra safety. No dirt has ever gotten in the barrel. Quick to deploy due to adding paracord and a handle to pull both legs out at the same time. Easy to adjust since all you have to do is unscrew the leg, and move the screw up and down, rather than unscrew, grab the leg to adjust (think of tripods where you use the release lever and then have to grab or shake the leg to get it to the right height).

BCG: National Match Y/M, Spike's Tactical
Great BCG. Easy to clean being chrome. Good quality build so very reliable. And very cool Spike's Tactical spider logo instead of the standard Y/M logo.

Flash Hider: Smith Enterprise Vortex
Just a nice looking flash hider, but may move to getting a AAC blackout with threads for suppressor. Recently placed it on so haven't had range time with it.

Magazines: Exclusively Magpul w/ Ranger Plate
What can I say.. Magpul makes a great product. Added Ranger Plates to make it easier to pull out of pouches.

Future upgrades:
Daniel Defense push button QD rails mount
Butler Creek Flip covers for Bushnell Scope
Backup Sights - Need to find some that will fit under my scope. Have a Troy rear sight, but it's on my MPL MOE setup.

Stickman
29 January 2009, 18:56
Here is a picture from awhile back. In fact its long enough back that the AWB was in full swing. This weapon was built up as a basic carbine, and ended up being rebuilt numerous times. In this configuration, I wanted something basic that I could use for iron sight drills, and something along the lines of a truck/ trunk gun.

This weapon served as a duty weapon at one point, but it wasn't in this configuration for long, and I'm not sure that it stayed on the streets for much time at all in this form (it would have at least had a sling).

The upper is a Bushmaster, with 1/9 twist barrel, which shoots any of the issue 55 grain softpoint ammo well enough. The upper came as an A2, which was switched out for a flattop. Yes, I understand the comedic value of getting rid of the A2 and mounting a carry handle to the weapon... feel free to laugh.

The lower receiver is a preban Olympic Arms. The lower is tight in the magwell, and the rear take down pin needs to be tapped (HEAVY taps). It was fine with the upper that came on it, but when I switched over to the above, it didn't seem to like it.

The rail is an early YHM 2 piece drop in rail. It was ultra tight to drop the rails in, and I am still convinced that harsh language is what finally convinced it to go. However, as tight as it was, it loosened up quite a bit (too much for use with a VFG). Eventually I gave the YHM rail away to a LEO buddy after I no longer had a need for it.


The over all basic value of this weapon was high, but it points out a good concept. Its almost always more expensive to buy a weapon and convert it to your liking. In this case, it was a preban weapon during the AWB, so values were a lot different back then.

If you want a flattop, don't settle for an A2. If you want a Forward Assist (and you should), then make sure you get one. You aren't saving any money by swapping out those parts later on unless you got a great deal.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AR15%20Carbines/P1010051-Stick.jpg

Stickman
29 January 2009, 19:03
Here is a picture of the above weapon a little later on in its life. You can see that the A2 pistol grip was switched out for a MIAD. The MIAD gives me much greater control over the weapon when I am using it one handed. While we obviously never want to one hand the gun, there are times when you are opening doors, looking under beds, or doing similar things that you are going to have to use one hand. When my hands are wet and cold, the MIAD really makes a differnce.

The ARMS 40L BUIS was brand new IIRC, and it was a great upgrade from a previous BUIS which I had problems with on a call. I dumped the old one and have had great results with the ARMS 40L, which I still use today on my duty weapon.

The Eotech is a 552 model, it works well, but the main sticking point for me at that time was price. The Eotech was much cheaper, though it certainly goes through batteries quicker, and its not quite as durable as the Aimpoints.

The VFG is the Tango Down, and was the only grip at the time that I could trust not to break. There were probably other good ones out there, but I wasn't going to chance it. You never hear of the TD VFG breaking, which isn't something all other companies can say.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/AR15%20Carbines/P1132148-a-900-web-Stick.jpg

Army Chief
29 January 2009, 22:56
The day got away from me quickly over here, and I'm pressed for time, but here are a few thoughts that came to mind as I went back and re-read the initial series of posts.


The can I chose was the AAC SPR/M4. …The lack of blowback means that I don't need to run a gasbuster charging handle … the heavy ammonia smell …

I was not aware of the SPR/M4's improved blowback characteristics, but consider this an extremely important detail. As a LH firer, I'm accustomed to a certain amount of blowback anyway, but in a suppressed configuration, or under a heavy volume of fire, this can be positively brutal. While I may run a Badger Ordnance ambidextrous charging handle at some point, I generally don't use Gasbusters, so the point here is a relevant one.

As for the heavy ammonia smell, well, all I can say is that once you have experienced this first-hand, you can obviously see a whole host of associated perils -- it effectively renders you useless until you can clear your vision. In retrospect, I find it odd how such a detail is so often overlooked. Great point, Stick, and if the SPR/M4 offers improved characteristics in this area over the M4/2000 or competing cans, then there is certainly a strong argument to be made in its favor. Doubly so for a portsided operator.


The SS barrel profile is a little heavier than its 4150 counterpart …

Obviously, "a little heavier" isn't really a measurement, so I'm curious what the reverse/sleeve portion of the SPR flash suppressor can accommodate (dimensionally) in terms of barrel profiles. Does it fit the Noveske SS barrel better than it would a standard tapered N4 barrel, for example? Which barrel profile(s) would simply involve too much material to be compatible? I am presuming that a standard Colt M4 barrel is the standard here, but given the design of the suppressor, I'm just curious how which profile provides the best possible "fit" in this regard. Silly question, I know, but if this particular FS were being used as a permanent install for a non-NFA 14.5" build ... well, it looks as if John's stainless profile is just about "best in class," no?


… we are looking at the exposed block of the Noveske Rifleworks adjustable gasblock …

I'm still not terribly familiar with the Switchblock, but the concept intrigues me. Does this really make suppressed/unsuppressed reliability concerns go away with the flip of a lever? I realize that is the clear intent, and John knows his craft, but how well does this perform in actual practice? More to the point, how poorly does the typical AR gas system work without any compensatory gas block when transitioning from suppressed to non suppressed operation and back again? My guess here is that what the Switchblock gives you more than anything else is just a very consistent recoil pulse, whether the can is mounted or not. Would this be correct?


While I'm a fan of other rail systems which tend to be a little lighter …

Given the integral construction and rigidity, the VIS still strikes me as an optimal solution; that said, what kind of weight penalty are we talking about -- not in terms of ounces, but rather, in terms of heft and balance? I noticed that it apparently wasn't so much as to make you wish for the UBR in lieu of the ACS, which is encouraging.


The front and rear sights are on there simply because that is what came with the upper from the factory

This begs the question -- and I apologize if I just wasn't paying attention if/when you've addressed this elsewhere -- what BUIS combination tops your list of favorites, if the Troy has been problematic for you? I recall the ARMS reference (above), but what about up front? LMT?


… the A2 pistol grip is removed, and a Magpul MIAD grip is used.

Now that Magpul effectively offers us an almost infinite number of grip configurations to choose from, why would one choose the MIAD over the MOE+, for example? Granted, I'm not talking about availability, since I see that you've got a prototype MOE+ already; given the choice between the two, would you still opt for the MIAD? If so, why? I have it in the back of my head that the surface treatment of the MOE+ is going to make it an extremely popular alternative, and since my experience to this point is largely with stock Colts and USGI configurations, I'm not really up-to-speed on the nuanced differences.

Again, Stick, I can't even begin to describe how much I enjoyed your opening series of posts, and in many ways, you unwittingly created a rifle I've been building in my head for quite some time. In that sense, if an apparent clone manages to pop up later in the year, just keep in mind that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, since I won't be able to prove that we have been parallel thinkers all along. One could certainly do a lot worse than emulating one of your setups, so I guess I'm not especially concerned. LOL

Great thread, great contributions (from all), great carbines -- this topic is really just a delight to read.

AC

Army Chief
30 January 2009, 00:41
I was fully prepared to offer the suggestion that this thread be converted to a permanent "sticky" ...

... when I realized that Stick was apparently way ahead of me.

Again.


AC

Army Chief
30 January 2009, 00:52
Since both Stick and Ryo have VIS-based setups, and I have the same configuration sitting in the backorders queue at Grants Pass, what optics mounting solutions seem best suited to this rail?

I am presuming, of course, that the typical LaRue SPR-E overhang mount is unnecessary, since it is possible to use rail-mounted rings (fore and aft) given the rigidity of this configuration. My question is this: which products -- preferably with QD capability -- are really best in class for VIS applications?

Since I am still slowly, if inevitably, moving in the direction of a Short Dot (being in Germany, I can alleviate at least some of the sticker shock), where should I be looking for a direct-mount 24mm solution?

AC

Ryo
30 January 2009, 18:07
I picked LaRue for my scope. Works very good. I would assume the Bobro would be very good, but they didn't see any 1" rings available at the time I bought my LaRue.

I think Stickman uses on the first gun posted, a American Defense Mfg mount. Never used them.. for my AP T-1 I use the LaRue mount that AP sells with it as a set.

Whether on a VIS or not, it's still just a rail system.. I would use the same mounts.

Army Chief
30 January 2009, 23:58
I definitely follow your logic Ryo, though I'm really looking for a QD ring solution. The VIS is just a rail system, true, but it's a rail system that provides full-length rigidity, which opens up new possibilities when mounting longer optics, i.e. those that overhang the Delta Ring.

I'm not especially interested in going with a conventional offset base mount (like the SPR-E) when the rail lends itself to direct attachment. Granted, this would only make sense with a VLTOR VIS or an LMT MRP, but since we're talking about the former, I figured it was a question worth asking.

AC

Ryo
31 January 2009, 09:10
Sorry AC, I don't follow what your asking for then.

Stickman
31 January 2009, 09:52
Chief,

My thoughts on it are as follows.

If the optic will stay dedicated to the VIS railed weapon, no offset mount is needed as it would only take up more space without yielding any benefit. If the optic will possibly be used on other platforms, you might want to give serious thought to going with an offset mount so you can swap it to other weapons. Bobro and ADM would be solid choices, and the upcoming ARMS adjustable mounts may be worth taking a look at as well. Noveske Rifleworks uses ADM mounts on their gear, and ADM makes a custom Novekse optic mount as well.

Army Chief
31 January 2009, 10:06
There is every possibility that I'm just not being very clear. My impression was that you were talking about the LT-104 or another conventional mount which is designed to accommodate optics which are longer than the upper receiver.

If we use the SPR-E as an example, when we attach the base of the mount to the receiver, a significant portion of the mount is actually offset well forward, leaving a relatively small "block" connecting the upper half of the mount to the base. That's an effective and largely trouble-free arrangement for a conventional upper, but when you have the full length of the rail to work with (as we do with the VIS/MRP), and when the entire surface is monolithic and torsion-free, then would it not make even more sense to just direct-mount the optic to the rail, without a highly-engineered and unnecessarily costly mount?

The answer would seem to be yes, provided extremely high quality medium/high QD rings were used, and those are really what I'm asking about here -- that, or an integral mount that doesn't necessarily use an offset base design, as this is a solution to a problem that we don't have.

I'm trying not to be over-the-top here, but does this explanation make a bit more sense?

AC

Army Chief
31 January 2009, 10:08
Stick, we "crossed in the mail" here, but your point is a good one: if I'm dedicating the optic to the upper, then this approach would seem to be a sensible one. If not, or if I'm simply not sure, then it would make more sense to invest in a mount that is more compatible with a conventional upper. Makes perfect sense -- and I appreciate the leads.

AC

Stickman
31 January 2009, 10:59
Chief,


You can see from these images that the optics are pretty far forward on these extended rails. Using an optic that required it to be forward mounted is going to force you to decide one way or the other. I really like the non-extended mount on the VIS or CASV, but the same mount shows itself useless if I try to use it with the same optic on an AR15 upper receiver.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/American%20Defense%20MFG/IMG_7552%201028%20Stick.jpg


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/American%20Defense%20MFG/IMG_0907%201028%20Stick.jpg

Army Chief
31 January 2009, 11:07
Precisely, and I mean precisely, the sort of thing that I was after -- thanks!!

AC

Ryo
31 January 2009, 13:36
I get it now. Since I only main experience is with monolithic rails (until I got MPL MOE). Guess I have been spoiled. Any case my thought process is get stuff to be compatible for multiple platforms even though it doubtful for me to move the optic to another rifle due need of rezeroing. As long as the mount is stable and reliable is my main concern.

Globemaster
31 January 2009, 14:14
I built this setup early last year; and well before the madness set in on the market place; and I chose to use the parts listed below because of their product quality, exemplary reputations, and affordability.

I acquired the Charles Daly Defense® lower assembly from Mike himself, shortly after he launched his Forum Board; and he listed a batch of his lower assemblies on ‘ModulARWeapons’ shortly after we invited him to visit and join our board.

So far I have only function checked the assembly with ten rounds of live fire; and have yet to dial in the build as I’m still in search of an optic and mount combination … but I’m leaning towards another Gen II DMS-1w/ AD-Recon, as I have this combination paired up on another unit.


Upper: Mega Machine Shop® A3
Lower: Charles Daly Defense® w/ LPK
Rear Sight: Yankee Hill Machine / part # 9680
Front Sight: Yankee Hill Machine / part #9627
Handguard: Olympic Arms® / Rifle length F.I.R.S.H.
Barrel: 16in. 416 Stainless Steel Bull Barrel / OA Part #ARB16
Chambering: 5.56 NATO
Twist Rate: 1x9
Muzzle: 11deg. Crown
Stock: ACE® AR-15 ARFX Skeleton w/ pad.
Grip: Ergo Tactical Target / OA Part #F10
Length/Weight: 34.5in. / 9.5 lbs

Miscellaneous items:
Bi-Pod: Shooters Ridge® Rock Mount / 6in. x 9in.
Bi-Pod: adapter for F.I.R.S.H. OA® Part #BPM
Rail Covers: Magpul® XTM™ Rail Covers mixed with ladders.
Barrel Finish: bead blasted to a Satin finish.



http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/globemaster_oly/DSCN7592.jpg


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/globemaster_oly/DSCN7589.jpg

SERT103
31 January 2009, 19:33
This is my complete LMT Defender 2000 that I purchased and setup over the summer. I set this one up as my patrol carbine that rides in the trunk. It came from the factory with the SOPMOD stock. This is my first and I find it a very nice addition and saved me a few dollars by getting it pre-installed. The only upgrade I did to the carbine itself is replace the standard CAR buffer with a H buffer.

For the rail, I decided to choose the Troy Industries MRF-DI. I felt there was no need for a free float rail for this application. It also came with QD swivel holes built into the rail as most others do not. It mounts very solid with 4 allen screws into the bottom and is very secure with no movement.

The light that I originally had on was a Surefire M951. I decided to sell it off for the M600A scout light. I wanted the durability, battery life, weight reduction and brightness that the LED offered in this package.

The optic mounted is a Aimpoint ML3 in an ADM 68C. I choose the optic for its renowned reliabilty and extremely long battery life. Since I'm running a fixed BUIS, I liked the cantilever mount to push the optic out as far as possible.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm192/mamartin043/Picture005.jpg

Eric
1 February 2009, 05:01
I'll add one of mine into the mix. This particular AR is the one that rides with me daily as a patrol carbine. In 1995 I had the opportunity to get a rather good deal on a Colt 6721, which is also known as their AR15-A3 Tactical Carbine (http://colt.com/law/ar15a3.asp). If I recall correctly, the purchase price with a couple mags was just under $700. At the time I was just starting to look at accessories that would make my carbine more user friendly; items such as a white light and EOTech optic. Prior to the 6721 my duty AR had an A1 style upper and lacking the flattop upper, it didn't readily support the addition of optics. The 6721 was a logical choice, as the Colt 6920 wasn't available at the time. Yes, the 6721 has the overweight HBAR, but I wasn't planning on humping it around for hours on end. This is the current configuration.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/Colt%20AR15/IMG_5861.jpg

Starting at the rear, the old style CAR collapsible stock was updated with a Magpul CTR. I like somewhat longer footprint of the stock, which helps bring the weapon up nice and high. It also locks up solid and I doubt I could break it if I tried. For the longest time, I had a Tactical Tailor 3 point sling. Within the last year, I finally gave in and tried a Gear Sector GS-2P two point sling. This is the sling that I wish I had years ago. It does everyting the 3 point did and with more flexibility. The rear Gear Sector QD snaps right into the CTR stock and a Daniel Defense mount is used on the front rail for the other QD.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/Colt%20AR15/IMG_5899.jpg

For optics I've gone with an EOtech 512. The Rev F has adequate battery life, especially with the lithium batteries. I had problems with earlier versions, but not so with this one. Squeezed in behind it is a Troy same plane BUIS. The front fixed iron sight was left in place and is my preference for most applications. The standard A2 grip was replaced with a Magpul MIAD with trigger guard. I like the aggressive texture and the trigger guard covers the annoying and painful gap left by the factory part.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/Colt%20AR15/IMG_5869.jpg

For a rail system, I went with the Daniel Defense 12.0FSP M4 Free Float Handguard. This rail is unique in that it protrudes past the front sight base, which allowed for the light to be mounted far forward. The light itself is an old school Sure Fire that was recently upgraded with an LED emitter. The A2 flash suppressor was replaced with a YHM Phantom 5C1, only because I managed to scrape the heck out of the original one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/AR15forme/Colt%20AR15/IMG_5873.jpg

I have other AR that could easily be put into service as my duty carbine,but this one has worked well.

Topmaul
1 February 2009, 07:29
I will post a picture shortly when my M-4 style is finished. I am in agreement with that motivational speaker that says always "begin with the end in mind" unfortunately we are not always able to do that. Shooting and guns are a hobby of mine, having a wife, my son in college, a daughter who is into horses and a younger high maintenance daughter, some times money gets a bit tight.

My use for the rifle is for mostly multi-gun shooting matches, I just don't have the money to pure into a rifle. Early on I found I needed an AR so I picked up a copy of the trading post and thumbed to fire arms, an found an Olympic Arms Plinker for $400 the gun has an A-1 upper and a 16 inch barrel. After getting home I found that Olympic has less than a stellar reputation on the Internet. Still I had the gun and took it to the range and was very impressed with how accurate it was. A few weeks later I went to a 3 gun match and had that barrel smoking it ran flawlessly.

Sorry this is a long story let me get back to my point this Cast Plinker is the basis of my rifle, I am very happy with the barrel and reliability of the weapon but needed to do a few upgrades about all I did was to add a forward handle and a different stock right now it has a fixed Ace stock. I have tried to dress up the weapon a bit but not much.

Last year I bought a Stripped SNS Lower and put that together it was my first attempt an an AR I'll build my uber-cool tactical rifle on that chassis as funds are made available from the WAR DEPARTMENT (wife). I find you can do cool things if you just do a little at a time. Which is what I'm doing.

jmart
1 February 2009, 09:22
Is there a general consensus about where the balance point ought to be on a GP carbine? Looking at many of the setups in this thread, many look very front heavy -- extended rails, lights, heavyish optics, and either a LW CTR or M4 stock at the rear.

I've been considering making some mods to my current carbine, but to go in the other direction, more rear heavy. Current config is a BM A2 lower, w/A2 stock, mated to a BM 16" Patrolman's carbine upper. The barrel countour is light under the HGs, pretty much std M4 in front of the FSB, except it's 16".

Eotech 512 and Larue BUIS for optics and BUIS.

My thoughts were to send the upper off to ADCO and have them shorten barrel to 14.5, recontour to pencil weight from FSB forward, and permanently attach a YHM Phantom.

I'm not sure about HGs, whether to leave things bone stock, or swap out with a FF rail (Omega or MI two piece). The only addition I'd make would be to add a light, probably a G2 or something along those lines, and I understand there are a number of options for adding short rail sections to composite HGs to accomodate light mounts. I'm not really thinking about adding a VFG or any other front end add ons, so I'm leaning toward keeping things stock. I also like the diameter of the carbine (not M4) HGs, and if I went with a rail, by the time you add covers, you've got a larger diameter forend to grab onto.

And for the stock, I'm still trying to figure out between a Sully or an ACS, once they're released. ACS is listed at 1.25 lbs, Sully is comparable, but if you add the 1" spacer, then it becomes several ounces heavier. The few times I've tried friends' telescoping stocks, I just keep it at the 2nd position, so I question the need for a telescoping stock, the only value I see is if you go prone, you can lengthen it a couple of notches, but for all other positions, everyone pretty much lives at notch 1 or 2, and this is pretty much equal to a bone stock Sully or a Sully w/added spacer.

If I go with a lightened front end and a Sully/spacer combo, that would defintely tip the balance more to the rear, completely opposite what many here are posting. I'm just asking for everyone's thoughts, are you happy with the handling characteristics of your current rigs, or would you prefer lighter front ends?

Stickman
1 February 2009, 19:23
Jmart,

I typed out a long reply, and evidently it didn't upload. I don't think you will find anyone who "wants" a nose heavy carbine, especially if they carry it on a regular basis. However, we are often forced to deal with what we have, and to make the best of it.

For a patrol carbine, its hard to think about clearing a building without a light, and lights add weight. Some people are going to shoot much better with a VFG, and that adds weight as well. The farther out you push your light, the better your chance of eliminating the shadowing off you barrel. Longer rails help do that, and they also add more weight.

Balance tends to be more important than simply the weight factor, but like most things, its only part of the story. A stock that fits you well may overshadow the other parts, the same with a pistol grip, or sling. The overall set up of the weapon, and how well it fits you are going to be what matters most.

Ryo
2 February 2009, 11:34
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn14/Ryo_Ohki2/IMG_2137mod.jpg
For a light carbine I went with the following (pretty much stock)

Lower: Magpul MPLA - Great lower, came stock with the MPL MOE. Love the right button for bolt release.

Grip: Magpul MOE (stock)
Debating whether to change it out for my Falcon Enterprise Ergo grip. Probably keep it stock.

Trigger: CMMG 2 stage
Changed out the stock trigger.. can't stand it. Been treated to the good life of the Geissele that I couldn't stand standard stock triggers. I placed in the CMMG 2 stage, which is a great trigger, until I get a replacement Geissele.

Upper: Noveske Upper (stock)
All I know about this is that it's forged by Cerro Forge.

Barrel: 14.5" with pinned FH (stock)
Noveske has great barrel, no changing this one. The FH is a AAC blackout with threads for a M4-2000 suppressor. Very nice touch by Noveske.

Charging Handle: PRi Gas Buster
Evaluating it for gas blowback.

Handguard: Magpul MOE (stock)
Great handguard. Was originally thinking of changing it out for a rail system.. but considering the barrel was pinned and the MOE really feels like a sold handguard. I'm keeping it the way it was made to be.

Optics: Aimpoint T-1
Since this is to be a light gun, I felt the T-1 would suit it's purpose. I plan to use this with either the Eotech magnifier or a NV scope.

BCG: National Match Y/M, Spike's Tactical
Great BCG. Easy to clean being chrome. Good quality build so very reliable. And very cool Spike's Tactical spider logo instead of the standard Y/M logo. (on order)

Stock: Magpul CTR
Changed the MOE stock to the CTR stock since it has push button holes and has a extra locking mechanism to keep it from moving.. but it was mostly changed for the push button. The MOE feels just as sturdy as the CTR.

Magazines: Exclusively Magpul w/ Ranger Plate
What can I say.. Magpul makes a great product. Added Ranger Plates to make it easier to pull out of pouches.

Backup Site: Noveske/Troy rear backup site (stock)

Other:
I was thinking of adding some rails to be able to put on a VFG and/or flashlight.

Hojutsu
3 February 2009, 17:02
I like 'em simple

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2269/m4le693390002ze8.jpg

Colt 6933, SBR version of the Colt Commando.
11.5" Lt Weight 1/7 barrel

Aimpoint CompM4
So much battery life, I leave it one all the time and change the battery out every January 01

Surefire M952XM
Bright white light with plenty of throw

Advanced Armament Corp M4-2000 Suppressor
Makes the rifle "Hearing Safe", no "Ears" needed

Other points of interest include the Blueforce/Vickers Two Point Sling, Surefire M73 Rail, ARMS 40L BUIS, TD Pistol Grip, Magpul CTR Stock and a supply of PMAG magazines

JustMatt
8 February 2009, 08:03
Ryo, I love the MagPul lower, I fiddled with one at the SHOT Show and they are very nice and bound to be a collectors item I would think. Is it the one with the asian girl giving the bird on the right side?

My pesronal gun is a LWRCI M6A2
I chose a piston gun for the added benefits of less heat and dirt/debry/gas in the bolt area. Besides, a million AK's and FAL's can't be wrong? Can they...
-Barrel is 16" - no questions on legality and accurate while still be compactish.
-Railed forend came with the gun, I don't have anything to hang on it yet but a Larue FUG and/or weapon light is in the future. Magpul Foliage rail panels.
-Non windowed PMags for reliability and at the time they were inexpensive and plentiful.
-Ergo Grip from Falcon Inds. in Foliage. It's the soft one and feels great in the hand
-Replaced the CTR with a Vltor Foliage EMod for storage and cheek weld purposes. In truth it's mostly for looks. I plan to get a MagPul UBR soon.
-GG&G Spring Acutated BUIS front and back. Prob gonna change em out for some Troys.
-Aimpoint Comp M4s in a Larue 'tall' mount. The M4s cause I wanted a multipurpose optic that leaned torwards CQB for home defense purposes. I also wanted the extended battery life and ease of battery replacement(a single AA) the M4s offered. I don't like where the battery is on the M4 so I went with the M4s. The Larue mount for there outstanding reputaion and customer service, plus I got some Dillo Rub and a Dillo TBED to boot! Thats how she stands at the moment.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x148/mjs876/AR%2015%20build/LWRCIMA2.jpg

Army Chief
9 February 2009, 04:54
Matt,

Magpul lowers are definitely going to fall into that "collector's item" category, and the only way for the masses to get their hands on one is to be fortunate enough to pick up one of the limited run Noveske/Magpul rifles -- which Ryo and I both did on the latest MOE release. To date, this Noveske/Magpul collaboration has resulted in the release of exactly 100 of these A series lowers. More may be in the offing, but how many more -- and when -- is anyone's guess. There are no guarantees.

The China Doll lower (C series) is not available at any price, nor in conjunction with any particular run of rifles. It is reserved strictly for gift purposes from Magpul execs to selected individuals who have made "substantive contributions" of one sort or another in the eyes of Magpul management. In other words, you may someday be able to earn one if you're extremely fortunate, but you will never be able to purchase one. I believe Stickman has a bit more about this lower posted in his WEVO Guide to Billet Lowers (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755).

AC

Army Chief
9 February 2009, 05:09
I chose a piston gun for the added benefits of less heat and dirt/debry/gas in the bolt area. Besides, a million AK's and FAL's can't be wrong? Can they...

Perhaps not, and while I'm not second-guessing your selection, it is probably worth noting that the AR is neither an AK nor a FAL. Here's what John Noveske had to say about the matter (http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1167), once upon a time ...


Also, we should mention the poor choice of platform for the piston conversion on a round receiver bore as found on the M16/M4 system. All other piston type systems out there utilize a railed receiver design, like the M14, AK-47, M249, FAL and so on. The round receiver bore design used on the M4 is only acceptable for the standard op system. The carrier and bolt expand on axis with the bore under the normal gas impingement cycle, but on a piston gun, you run into off center impulse issues with carrier tilt and incorrectly designed carrier contact points. Some designs attempt to address the carrier tilt problem with over sized carrier tails and rollers. I do not believe the receiver extension should be used in this manner. I know many people are very happy with their piston weapons. This is not meant as a knock on the piston conversion systems out there, but as a philosophical dialogue focused the new physiological relationships applied to the M16/M4 platform through the introduction of an operating system which has traditionally been applied to receivers with rails for the bolt and/or carrier. I would rather see an entirely new weapon system designed for the piston from the ground up.

My point? Pistons are certainly worthy of consideration, but I always pause a bit when they are represented as the ultimate solution to the ARs woes, because the basic geometry of the weapon just doesn't really seem to support that assertion. Not that you ever made such a claim, of course, but I think that we're all served by a better understanding of this issue, regardless of what we happen to favor.

AC

Ryo
9 February 2009, 09:55
No, I wish I had the China Doll. I would definitely pay mroe to get that one.

I know someone who has one, and they told me roughly what Army Chief said. China dolls (MPLC) will never be sold unless one of the people who received it decides to sell it. Highly doubtful anyone will sell it.

As for pistons, they have their own problems, but I think they are working it out. I think the AR platform should get a redesign if they are trying to fix the shortcomings... oh wait.. they are.

Army Chief
9 February 2009, 11:23
I think the AR platform should get a redesign if they are trying to fix the shortcomings... oh wait.. they are.

Which, I suppose, leads us right back to the ever-elusive Masada/ACR -- or the SCAR, if you're so inclined. Here's hoping that we actually get a chance to see them (in quantity) in civil trim.

AC

JustMatt
9 February 2009, 13:26
I agree with you both. Thats why im in the process of building 2 more AR's. One for me as a back up and one for my father. Any machine made by men that explodes and has moving parts will NEVER be flawless. Heres hoping the Masada/ACR makes it before the commies...oops I mean Democrats try to take our 2nd Amend. rights away.

Army Chief
9 February 2009, 21:51
Matt,

Not a bad idea by any means; especially where long-term parts availability is likely to be concerned for the piston gun -- though I think you did quite well on the LWRC, too.

All-too-often we build guns according to some obscure TEOTWAWKI standard that we know (or at least, pray) that the gun will never see, and I see no reason to criticize a piston selection, given the kinds of applications you're likely to need it for. I'm happy with DI guns, but if money and availability were no object, I would probably be out there experimenting with the concept myself. OK well, maybe that's untrue: I would probably be reclaiming some lost ground in the Class III world, first ... but you get the idea. LOL

AC

JustMatt
10 February 2009, 08:40
Chief,
I hear you on the Class III thing. I wish I had some funds to throw that direction.

Ryo
10 February 2009, 09:51
Wish I had laws that would let me throw funds in that direction. Well guess the laws are saving me money. [bash]

Cameron
16 February 2009, 19:42
Great thread guys, it is an insight to see how people thought through their AR layouts.


I wanted three carbines for my last builds that would handle and feel similar but be used for different roles. Effectively my interpretation of a Recon Rifle, a Close Quarters Battle Carbine and a high volume General Purpose Carbine that can do both, and survive high volume use as a trainer.


DANIEL DEFENSE RECON RIFLE
For the Recon Rifle I wanted a 16" mid-length that I could use as a 3 gun carbine, and as a precision rifle. For this I decided to go with a Daniel Defense SPR Complete Upper (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=94) that has a 16" tapered 1in7 twist LW50 Lothar Walther stainless barrel with a Wylde chamber, with the excellent Daniel Defense 12.0 Lite rail that would not only free float the barrel but would give a generous sight radius for the BUIS and allow for attaching a QD bipod farther out as I prefer. The DD SPR upper comes with a hand matched Bolt Carrier Group from DD. I preferred the DD upper to the LaRue equivalent simply because I prefer the DD Lite rail and the reduced weight of the tapered LW50 barrel, which in my hands makes the carbine move and balance better. A Leupold MK4 MR/T 1.5-5x20mm illuminated SPR reticle scope I love the optics clarity but really like the SPR reticle and the M2 Bullet Drop Compensating turret, I ordered two extra turrets from Leupold so I have data and zeros for 5.56 55gr, 62gr and 77gr loads. I mounted this in the LaRue SPR QD mount simply because has a rep for being the best, less to worry about. For a lower receiver I picked a LMT Defender 2000 with the 2 stage match trigger which allows me to make the most out of the Lothar Walther barrel. I covered the exposed rail with Magpul XTM panels. Troy BUIS simply because they are of excellent quality and once loctited in place I can forget about them.

Lastly I added a Magpul UBR stock, Magpul MIAD grip and the Vicker's Padded Combat Applications sling. I am glad I removed the LMT SOPMOD and went for the UBR it is the best collapsing stock I have tried and it really balances the rifle out.

I am really happy with the way it turned out and the way it performs, it balances well offhand, even with the bipod, and is amazingly accurate, producing sub 0.5 MOA all day with quality ammo.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4581938341_f46c6e22f5_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/4585211700_50d5885572_b.jpg



LMT CLOSE QUARTERS BATTLE CARBINE
The second AR is intended to be my take on a MK18 CQBR, so I purchased the LMT CQBR 10.5" 1in7 twist 5.56NATO upper, departing from the actual MK18 design I immediately had the front sight post milled off and installed the Daniel Defense 10.0 Lite rail, I used an LMT Bolt Carrier Group and an H2 buffer to slow the bolt down in this beast, and a Noveske KX3. A single stage mil spec trigger is in this SBR registered LMT Defender 2000 lower receiver, I added the Magpul Battery Assist Device. Since this is for close range carbine I find the EOTech to be my fastest CQB optic and went with the EOTech XPS mounted on the LaRue QD EOTech riser with the Troy front and rear BUIS for a lower 1/3 co-witness. Magpul UBR feels great on this shortie, I thought it might not balance a really short barrel like this but is lively and feels great, especially with the Magpul MIAD and Magpul Angled Fore Grip and a Surefire X300 make this SBR a great home defense carbine!


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3315/4582618770_96d1a65b56_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4585440117_e28da5a5db_o.jpg





COLT GENERAL PURPOSE CARBINE
The third carbine was to be a "beater" high round count, general purpose rifle that I wouldn't mind using for "hard use" shooting with a more flexible twist rate to take advantage of the cheapest ammo that may be available, so I went with a complete upper from a Colt AR6721 with the chrome lined HBAR 16" 1in9 twist 5.56NATO chambered barrel and again used the excellent Daniel Defense 12.0 Lite rail, I added an Bravo Company Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group for reliability with a carbine buffer. Lower receiver is an LMT Defender 2000 with a 2 stage match trigger and Magpul UBR stock, with the welcome addition of the Magpul Battery Assist Device. With the optic I can mount an EOTech 552 in the LaRue QD riser as it is so damn fast for close range shooting, the Troy BUIS gives me a lower 1/3 co-witness. I am also able to switch out to the Leupold MR/T 1.5-5 if necessary, and with the trigger and stock it feels just like the DD Recce above. Magpul MOE Grip and Magpul Angled Fore Grip out front to get a good handle on the 16" HBAR and long rail.

Even with the HBAR this carbine balances much like the DD upper above... the funny thing is this Colt barrel has been very accurate, and may give the LW50 a run for it's money...

This layout feels great and moves and points very naturally for me.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4581940009_f9e328840b_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4031/4584586307_2d40a7a442_b.jpg


The end result is three carbines that have a common look and feel, but more importantly perform really well for their niche. My wife used to like the DD Recce, because she could shoot sub MOA groups all day at the 100yard line, until she tried the CQBR....

Now I am on the hunt for a Class III full auto lower that will work with these 3 [:D]

Cameron

Stickman
17 February 2009, 14:43
Outstanding post, and lots of good info. I like those setups!

bates
6 March 2009, 05:39
Here is my latest AR build that is still in progress

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p59/cbbates3/P1011126.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p59/cbbates3/P1011125.jpg

I will admit, i am not a true ar nut. For the past few years i have and still love bolt rifles, particlarly precision long range rifles.

the build above started over a year ago, i wisely bought a lower, lpk and started ordering mags. it sat in the safe until i went to shot show this year and got the ar bug.

I have kept things pretty simple. I went with the moe stock, it is solid, and didnt see a need for the ctr lock up, i do wish it had the flush cups though.
for the grip i bought the miad kit and tried them all, i found out that i prefer no front finger groove, so i then ordered a enhanched trigger guard.

i bought the upper from bravocompany usa, and its a rock river bcg, i did swap out the bolt for a jp bolt.

i wanted a solid rail that did not weigh a ton so i went with the daniel defense 10in lite rail, my paperwork has been submitted and i will be ordering a white oak 11in ss lightweight barrel for it, i will top it off with kx3.

opitcs: i plan on getting the mbus once i can find a set, i am also currently looking at red dot sights. currently favoring the aimpoint micro t-1.

overall when this is done i will have a soild ar, i will keep this under the back seat of my truck and also carry it around in the woods to shoot a few hogs.

i wanted a handy rifle

my second ar

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p59/cbbates3/P1011124.jpg

nothing fancy just a bushy varminter with a nikon 6.5-20 scope. i bought this for and use it for prarie dog hunting. i recently had the fore end dura coated as i banged it up pretty good when it rode in the roof racks of my polaris ranger.
i plan on adding a fde prs stock in the future.

rob_s
11 March 2009, 18:04
I started here

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1762-Small.jpg

and then the brown gun became this

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BIB-port.jpg

Then I spent an entire year shooting this

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/ak-complete.jpg

I am finally learning that for my purposes I have no need for rails, vertical foregrips, SBRs, silencers, magnified optics, expensive stocks, gas pistons, etc., etc. Taking that year off from all the gadgets and gizmos, and shooting a more "back to basics" setup in the AK, I got a much better feel for what I need and what I don't.

I still enjoy "playing" with all those other things, but after literally $10k+ sunk in doing so, the below carbine is the essence of the elusive "general purpose" rifle that I see discussed so much on various forums. "Form follows function", "everything you need and nothing you don't", "keep it simple, stupid", all apply.

complete list of specs & rationale (http://tacticalyellowvisor.net/8343/59827.html)
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BCM/DSC_2955.jpg

Paulo_Santos
11 March 2009, 22:27
I started here

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_1762-Small.jpg

and then the brown gun became this

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BIB-port.jpg

Then I spent an entire year shooting this

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/ak-complete.jpg

I am finally learning that for my purposes I have no need for rails, vertical foregrips, SBRs, silencers, magnified optics, expensive stocks, gas pistons, etc., etc. Taking that year off from all the gadgets and gizmos, and shooting a more "back to basics" setup in the AK, I got a much better feel for what I need and what I don't.

I still enjoy "playing" with all those other things, but after literally $10k+ sunk in doing so, the below carbine is the essence of the elusive "general purpose" rifle that I see discussed so much on various forums. "Form follows function", "everything you need and nothing you don't", "keep it simple, stupid", all apply.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/BCM/DSC_2955.jpg

Keep it simple? What? Is this the same Rob_s from M4Carbine? Just kidding bro. I can't tell you how much money I spent on stupid crap, just to come back to the basic things. Nice to see you post here.

Army Chief
11 March 2009, 22:54
You're entirely on-the-mark, Rob. One of the more interesting ironies I've noticed in my career is that some of the most competent operators I've encountered (think LAV's buddies) run some of the simplest M4 configurations I've seen.

Optimization for the mission is still the operative principle here, but many of us -- particularly in civil applications -- really tend to over-estimate our needs. Often, a simple carbine with a basic light is the best possible tool for the job. By the way, it's nice to have the TYV in the house. :)

AC

Lancelot
13 March 2009, 11:31
I am in the process of building out a new patrol rifle. Sadly my camera is down so I can't join in.

Right now I'm running a BCM midlength upper. Plain handguards. Fixed rear sight, (LaRue for now - its what I had.) Older Aimpoint CompM in a straight up LaRue mount. I am very interested in either the DD or the Troy fixed rear but haven't tried one yet.

I am relegated to the plain handguards and straight up mount due to restrictions in how the gun mounts in the car. Our cars are small, and our antique electric gun locks - in the trunk - do not afford us the space needed for rails. I have to use the straight up mount to keep the optic aft of the leading edge of the upper receiver. Its a clearance thing. A T1 would solve my problems but money and wanting to keep my marriage intact prohibt that add on.

If Magpul ever made the MOE handguards in midlength it would solve some of my issues.

For now I'm running my souped up Surefire G2 in a one inch scope ring. Its hanging off a MI FSB rail mount. That gets it forward off the handguards and out of the way.

My sling is mounted at the muzzle end in a Colt M4 style side sling swivel. Yes the MI mount and light clear the swivel. Its a two point. At the aft end the sling is in a QD swivel. The stock is a MagPul CTR, the grip is a MIAD and the trigger guard is a Magpul.

Its very plain, but ver functional. I'm an old guy. My eyes suck. On another board there was a thread about being able to hit a grapefruit offhand at 50 yards. I can do that consistently with the irons, and with my glasses off, so it will probably do what I need it to do.

socal80
13 March 2009, 16:26
Hi everyone! I am new to AR's and shooting in general. Just been reading lots of the threads here that have been very helpful! Thanks for everyone that has contributed to this site.

I do not yet have a completed AR. Still in the process of building it. My goal with this first AR is to have a simple dependable rifle to take to 1-2 training classes a year. I eventually would like to be able to learn to be a long range precision shooter.

So far I have put together a CMMG lower with CMMG lpk. Last week I was very lucky my gf notified me that the BCM mid length I wanted was in stock. I was able to purchase one which I will be receiving next Wednesday!!! Also, just picked up a LMT standard m14 bcg. I have the main important parts now just need a few more items. Trying to decide still either to get the CTR Mil Spec stock or ACE Skelton stock. After that the only other thing I will need for the rifle is hand guard, charging handle, BUIS, a few mags, and lots of ammo.

I am still learning so if anyone has any suggestions/recommendations please feel free to let me know. Again, my goal is to keep this really simple as possible. Thanks everyone and I will post a pic once I have it completed!

Steve

Lancelot
14 March 2009, 20:06
Managed to dig a picture out of my camera.

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/BCM_002_c40a.jpg

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/BCM_003_c40.sized.jpg

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/BCM_016.sized.jpg

ballistic
24 March 2009, 18:19
I built this rifle for home defense and as a "trunk gun" to carry broken down in a Cavalry Arms Discreet Rifle Bag, along with a Mini-Sneaky rifle bag for spare mags.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZtefsH8f-P8/SclK1O4kMmI/AAAAAAAAAaM/B75h_HxMtpg/s800/P1030071.jpg

A Territorial Gunsmiths SLR15 Lower provides the foundation. I added KNS Anti-Rotational FCG Pins to keep everything secure. A Norgon Ambi-Catch allows for weak-handed mag changes (I'm a lefty but shoot righty and am ambidextrous). I had Mike LaRocca tune the trigger to crisp glass rod breaking goodness at 4.5 pounds. I prefer the feel of the Ergo Grip along with a Sully Trigger Guard to make extra room for a gloved trigger finger. The Ace ARFX-E Entry Stock keeps it MA AWB compliant and I like the short length. YHM EZ-Pull Take-down Pins are used for quick assembly/disassembly in and out of the CavArms bag.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ZtefsH8f-P8/SclKwZxyiSI/AAAAAAAAAaI/vPVfuR78Bms/s800/P1030074.JPG

For the upper, I wanted it to be relatively light weight to give the rifle a neutral balance. I used an A3 upper from a previous build, which works perfectly with the Sabre Defense 16" CVM 1/7 Midlength gas barrel. Mike LaRocca dimpled the barrel under the MI Low Profile gas block. The light weight of the PRI Rifle Length Forearm makes it a perfect candidate. It has enough rail for a MI Front Folding Sight and a Streamlight TLR-1 C4 on top in front (not shown), and I wanted a round forearm profile for this build. The rifle length also covers and protects the low profile gas block.

The pinned and welded PWS DNTC Aggressive Compensator keeps it MA AWB compliant while offering excellent compensation, with an added bonus of looking bad ass. Moving back, inside there's a G&R Tactical Bolt Carrier Group which is HPT/MP tested, extractor with black insert, Crane O-Ring, properly staked chrome lined and heat treated gas key, chrome line bolt carrier, and fully shrouded firing pin.


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZtefsH8f-P8/SclK8XTvxSI/AAAAAAAAAao/y5gtXRoeyNs/s800/P1030080.JPG

For optics, I went with an Aimpoint C3 2MOA with See-through covers and Tenebraex Kill Flash mounted in an ADM AD-68H Mount. The C3 is perhaps the best value of the Aimpoint line. A MI SPLP Folding Rear Sight provides back-up. 50,000 hour battery life allows me to leave it on all of the time, and the see-though covers provide instant deployment.

I went with a single-point bungee sling due to the rifle being assembled from inside the CavArms Bag. Anything more than one mounting point would create a tangled mess and slow down assembly and deployment.

The thermal properties of the foam cheekpiece on the ACE stock and the carbon fiber PRI forearm will be appreciated on hot and cold days.

Unloaded weight (without TLR-1) is 7lbs 10oz, OAL 34 1/8".

Army Chief
29 March 2009, 04:48
Ballistic,

I like your overall configuration, but was curious to what extent your AWB-concerns colored your choices. You didn't really address it, but I take it you're in one of our blue states?

AC

ballistic
29 March 2009, 05:35
Ballistic,

I like your overall configuration, but was curious to what extent your AWB-concerns colored your choices. You didn't really address it, but I take it you're in one of our blue states?

AC

I live in Massachusetts and our AWB went into effect in 1998 and mirrors the wording of 1994 Federal Assault Weapons ban with the exception that ours didn't expire in 2004. Anything built after the effective date must conform [bash].

My main concerns were to find a fixed stock and "permanently attached" BATF approved muzzle device that suited my needs. I wanted the shortest overall length possible and prefer short stocks, so it came down to the Sully or ACE entry stock as my final candidates.

I wanted a mid-length upper for this build and contemplated a 14.5" barrel with permanently attached muzzle device to make it non-NFA. My top choice was a Noveske 14.5" Afghan, but availability played a role when I called Rainier Arms and they had the Sabre Defence in stock and Afghans are and have been as rare as hen's teeth in this climate. The DNTC compensator has excellent recoil and muzzle compensation but isn't as loud as other compensators. I'll be using this rifle in Carbine classes, so I wanted to be kind to my line-mates.

Army Chief
29 March 2009, 05:48
Well, I think you've effectively proven with this build that "compliant" need not mean "neutered."

Nicely done!

AC

ballistic
29 March 2009, 06:09
Well, I think you've effectively proven with this build that "compliant" need not mean "neutered."

Nicely done!

AC

Thanks Chief!

OfcPowder
5 April 2009, 19:35
I will post pics when I get them taken - but here's my current patrol setup:

Bushmaster XM15
Magpul CTR Stock
Magpul MIAD grip
Daniel Defense 12" Omega (I ground down my FSB and repainted it)
Midwest Industries flip up BUIS: rear is same plane low profile, front is HK style hooded
Aimpoint Comp ML3 with Bobro 150 mount (this is a sweet mount)
Tango Down QD VFG
Surefire Millenium 6V light, with constant thumb switch AND pressure pad in the VFG
Vortex flash hider
Vickers Combat Sling

The furniture is Foliage green. I know it doesn't really give me any kind of advantage in an urban setting, but it looks cool. CDI factor is important to keep in mind when building a rifle [:D]

This is all held firmly in place in my patrol car in a Santa Cruz mount behind the front seats. It looks sweet and scares people. :P

This rifle is finally set up the way I want it. I went through a lot of "good enough" parts and wasted a lot of money. I'll briefly talk about what I had and why I changed:

CAA Stock; this is an okay stock and had CR123 battery storage. I switched to the CTR for the firmness when locked and the CDI factor.

Eotech 512 rev. F; nothing wrong with this sight. I bought it because that's what everyone else seemed to have. I shot a few Aimpoints and discovered I liked them a lot more. A single dot was easier on the eyes than the Eotech reticle. Plus I can leave my Aimpoint ML3 on and change the battery once every Presidential Election.... Actually I'll probably change it once a year or so just to be safe.

Daniel Defense Omega 7.0; Great rail, and I'd probably buy it again if I didn't shave my FSB. I prefer flip up front sights to get out of the way of my optic. So I had a FSB with a 7" rail and a flip up sight. This looked kind of tacky and shortened my sight base just slightly. The 12" rail looks way cooler on there, plus the 12" puts my light out further and gives me more fore-end real estate to grab onto.

Tango Down VFG (non QD); I liked the Tango Down because it was firm, has a pressure pad pocket, and parts storage. I hated it because it was a pain in the arse to put on and take off the rail.

I simply swapped the A2 birdcage hider out for the Vortex for flash suppression purposes and CDI factor.

GG&G rear flip-up BUIS; I loved the sight, it was the push-button spring loaded sight with night sights. I hated it because it was not same-plane. After thinking about it, I never could figure out why someone would NOT want a same-plane sight.

The only thing I am considering changing at this point is buying a Colt 6920 and swapping it all over (and yes I would grind the Colt FSB as well) :o

I have to take some pics and get them posted. I'll try to make them look as cool as Stickman's and zero7one's photos. Probably not [adore]

Eric
5 April 2009, 20:59
GG&G rear flip-up BUIS; I loved the sight, it was the push-button spring loaded sight with night sights. I hated it because it was not same-plane. After thinking about it, I never could figure out why someone would NOT want a same-plane sight.
I'm sure with you on that. I think that a lot of BUIS are equipped with the standard A2 type peep, simply due to cost and many folks not understanding the difference between the two configurations. For the vast majority of shooters, the same plane aperture makes a lot more sense.

sadmin
6 April 2009, 08:50
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/American%20Defense%20MFG/IMG_7552%201028%20Stick.jpg

Stick,
If you have the time, would you mind breaking down whats in this rig? Since you posted it, it has become my end all rifle. Awesome.
I got magpul stock and grip.
is that 10.5?
Vltor upper?
Who sells that ready mag setup?
Optic? Looks pricey [:)]
Thanks...

Army Chief
6 April 2009, 11:01
From what I can see, it looks like an AAC SPR/M4 flash suppressor, VLTOR CASV handguard w/Ergo/Falcon Ind. rail section(s), ADS mount and a Trijicon 1-4x AccuPoint.

AC

sadmin
6 April 2009, 11:25
From what I can see, it looks like an AAC SPR/M4 flash suppressor, VLTOR CASV handguard w/Ergo/Falcon Ind. rail section(s), ADS mount and a Trijicon 1-4x AccuPoint.

AC

thank you sir.

Ryo
6 April 2009, 11:42
To add on to AC's comments on Stickman's equipment:
Extra Mag holder: Redi-Mod (Blue Force Gear's modified Redi Mag).

Flash Hider: Looks like the AAC Blackout.. which probably is the other name for what AC called it.

Stock: Magpul UBR

BUIS: I'm not sure.. but you can tell the front and rear are fold downs. The front is combination gasblock & folddown front sight. The rear fold down.. I keep wanting to say Midwest Industries, but don't think that's it. Probably can find out what they are in Stickman's post on the different front & rear BUIS thread he wrote.. lots of good pics

The trigger is a Geissele.. great trigger.. personally own 3 of them.

Charging handle looks like a PRi Gas Buster.

Hmm.. Don't know who manufactures the upper.. top rail looks funny to me.. like the rail was added on top of another?? Definitely doesn't look like a monolithic rail..

Army Chief
6 April 2009, 11:51
Clarification:

AAC SPR/M4 is a Blackout suppressor; merely one that is designed for the SPR/M4 suppressor.

The VLTOR CASV handguard accounts for the extended rail appearance. Take a look at this unit, and you will see what I'm talking about -- the extended portion mounts atop the standard upper's rail, which both mounts the handguard and presents a contguous rail.

AC

OfcPowder
7 April 2009, 11:20
Alright, as promised, here are pics of my above mentioned layout. Nothing fancy, just me and my camera shooting my zombie killer.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1199.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1200.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1201.jpg

In the rack of my popo car:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1194.jpg

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/rack.jpg

People driving behind me see this:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1196.jpg

And for the lucky customers who get a free ride [BD] :
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1198.jpg

Ryo
7 April 2009, 11:54
Personallized squad car.. very nice.

OfcPowder
8 April 2009, 15:32
Personallized squad car.. very nice.

Yes we are fortunate enough to have assigned take-home cars on our department. It's great because I don't have to pay for gas, I don't have to unload stuff at the end of shift, and it can be a crime deterrent. It sucks when it breaks down and you have to be without it for a few days while in the shop (not that I've ever dropped a transmission or blew the bearings on my rear axle or anything [:D] )

zero7one
8 April 2009, 20:33
OfcPowder - What is that on your PMAGs? It looks like some sort of gritty tape, maybe skateboard tape?

Ryo
8 April 2009, 21:01
OfcPowder - What is that on your PMAGs? It looks like some sort of gritty tape, maybe skateboard tape?

It's EMG (Enhanced Magazine Grip)
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=792

Description:

Rainier MFG™ has teamed up with Gaylean Tactical to bring you the EMG (Enhanced Magazine Grip). The EMG designed for the channels of the Magpul PMAG provides superior grip on the magazine surface which allows for faster reloads when speed matters mosts. The EMG rubberized textured panel features an industrial strength adhesive with pressure application which adheres stronger the harder you press. The EMG can be used on USGI mags as well as any other mission critical item that needs superior grip.

Features:

* Industrial Strength Pressure Adhesive
* Rubberized Textured Panels
* Designed for the channels of your PMAG

OfcPowder
9 April 2009, 11:09
OfcPowder - What is that on your PMAGs? It looks like some sort of gritty tape, maybe skateboard tape?


Exactly. I went to the local SK8 shop at the mall and bought a big sheet of it for $6. Then it was a painstaking process with a pair of scissors. But well worth it, very easy to grab and provides super grip with gloves or bare hands. Don't get too carried away with bare hands or you'll wanna stock up on neosporin. :P

OfcPowder
9 April 2009, 11:10
It's EMG (Enhanced Magazine Grip)

It is not the EMG, it's just skateboard tape. Personally I like this better than the EMG, which I have also tried. The skateboard tape has a better grip and is WAY cheaper.

zero7one
9 April 2009, 11:25
Exactly. I went to the local SK8 shop at the mall and bought a big sheet of it for $6. Then it was a painstaking process with a pair of scissors. But well worth it, very easy to grab and provides super grip with gloves or bare hands. Don't get too carried away with bare hands or you'll wanna stock up on neosporin. :P

Good thinking. I have the EMG on a few of my PMAGs. Do you know if the skateboard tape comes in any other grain than what you used? I like how the EMG is more course than skateboard tape and feels a little more aggressive.

Thanks for the tip though!

socal80
9 April 2009, 13:09
Posted before but didn't have any pics at the time. Just received the LMT BUIS today and will be taking it out next week in AZ & NM. Very excited as this is my first AR. My plan is to keep this as light and simple as possible. The only thing that will still be added will be aimpoint C3 w/ cantilever mount and surefire x300 which will go under the handguards. Plan to go to first training course in November once my girlfriend has her AR built.

Just wanted to say this site is great and appreciate all the info that is available.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/SoCal80/DSC_2270.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b341/SoCal80/DSC_2282.jpg

OfcPowder
9 April 2009, 14:37
Do you know if the skateboard tape comes in any other grain than what you used? I like how the EMG is more course than skateboard tape and feels a little more aggressive.

I actually found the skate tape had better grip than the EMG did. They do make it in 2 different "grip" grains, I got the more agressive, but the lighter grain would probably work just as well.

Venom
9 April 2009, 15:05
I'd post mine..but its still a work in progress. cant wait to have it finished :)

Titleist
12 April 2009, 12:31
To begin explaining my config is to explain that that this is my first AR. And as such I convinced myself that I’d only snag one, so might as well make it as reliable as possible. The setup turned out great, but the excuse of this being my only AR turned out to be utter rubbish.

I opted for a piston setup, again under the umbrella of pre-black rifle disease, and chose to go with the Lewis Machine and Tool MRP 16” piston; mainly for ease of maintenance and improved reliability.

Moving from front to back I chose to use the PWS FSC556, for it’s incredible combination of flash-hider and compensator all wrapped up in a cool looking package. Because I wanted to retain the functional nature of a battle rifle I installed a set of Magpul MBUS front and rear sights.

Because I’ve participated in more than a few night shoots, as well as being an avid IR gear whore I installed an Insight Technology AN/PEQ-2A IR laser on the rifle. This gives me the ability to not only aim the rifle but to cast out a wide swath of infrared light for the night optic. Below the PEQ I opted for a set of Tango Down panels and a Tango Down Stubby forearm. Since I learned a long while back to not broom handle the gun, but rather use the vertical grip as an “index” for my left hand the Stubby was a perfect choice. I also selected a Tango Down panel with a tape switch pocket so that I could activate the laser using my weak side hand without changing my grip. Also on the left side of the rail, up towards the gas black I decided to use a CQD sling point.

Moving further back I made a decision that this rifle would be most useful for mid-to-long distances and went with a Trijicon TA01NSN ACOG on a Larue Tactical RCO mount. I opted for the RCO over the 4XDOS because of it’s simpler design and better profile. For the grip I used a Magpul MIAD grip. I have average sized hands so I find the larger back strap to be a more natural fit. Combined with an AA Battery Core this gives me the ability to carry back-up batteries for the PEQ.

Finally I used an LMT SOPMOD stock, which works well for improved cheekwelds. Though this may be swapped out to a Magpul ACS stock when that becomes available.

http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/LMT_01.jpg http://lawndartdesign.com/guns/LMT_02.jpg

SKULL
16 April 2009, 20:30
been a lurker for quite sometime. i love the work of stickman and he owes me a new keyboard for the drools i have looking at his pix. ;)

just a noob... but here goes..

DANIEL DEFENSE M4

after the endless waiting for my new Daniel Defense M4 she is finally home.

I was looking for an AR15 that is lightweight and has the reputation of being robust. After flipping the internet and several hours of reading AR15 forums one rifle really caught my attention.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd002.jpg

SKULL
16 April 2009, 20:31
FLASH HIDER

DD m4 comes with a regular birdcage flash hider but i'm not that of a fan of it's design. So i opted to replace it with AAC 5.56MM M4-1000 Flash Hider. I have to be honest it's mainly for aesthetics since i have no experience with this type of flash hider, however i heard a lot of good things about it.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd007.jpg

Lights mounted on guns is always a must. Specially when you are planning to use it as a home defense rifle. I wanted my rifle to be lightweight so opted to use Surefire X300. It's a small light but will do it's job in the dark. Easy to manipulate and had a very bright aura when it's on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd003.jpg

Vertical Grip and Rail Panel

The DD M4 already comes with DD Grip. Honestly.. not really fond of it but it kinda grows on me. I install a LARUE FUG but the color did not match that well and it makes the DD M4 bulkier. So the DD Grip stays as it is.

Rail Panel... i have trouble on selecting which rail panels to use. I installed Magpul XTM panels but it just doesn't look right. So i choose Tango Down SCAR rail panel. It's lightweight, very solid and it's thinner compared to the regular Tango Down rail panel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd005.jpg

SKULL
16 April 2009, 20:33
Optics and Pistol Grip:

I mounted an Eotech 552 and Acog but it doesn't sit right to me. So opted for an Aimpoint Comp M3 for more slick look. Eotech and Acog are good stuff but i wanted my DD m4 to look slick and lightweight so the aimpoint is my choice.

For the pistol grip... DDm4 comes with a regular pistol grip so i changed to a MAGPUL MOE grip. it already comes with a very nice trigger guard so a Magpul MIAD is not necessary. For some reason i'm a magpul whore. lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd008.jpg

Magazine and Butt stock:

Well.. it's a no brainer for me to install a Magpul UBR and use a PMAG magazine. The original DD M4 comes with a regular magpul MOE stock. it's nice really but i wanted a solid based butt stock and can provide balance to the rifle so i opted for a Magpul UBR. It's makes the rifle sexier. lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd004.jpg

Slings:

I have several slings in my stash but i choose the Magpul MS2 sling. I wanted my DD M4 to be an all around rifle so the best choice would be the MS2 sling that can be converted from single point to 2 point.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/dd009.jpg

jeeves915
16 April 2009, 20:39
Skull:
Where are you mounting the MS2 sling? By putting on the UBR, you covered the integrated QD plate at the castle nut. Since the sling was designed to be used with an ASP (or just ring connector point), what is your plan?
-Adam

SKULL
16 April 2009, 20:46
Skull:
Where are you mounting the MS2 sling? By putting on the UBR, you covered the integrated QD plate at the castle nut. Since the sling was designed to be used with an ASP (or just ring connector point), what is your plan?
-Adam


you can use a swivel and insert it near the pistol grip of the UBR. it doesn't give you a 360 degrees like the ASAP plate but it works..[:D]

Stickman
16 April 2009, 21:33
Good layout, good pics, good info.

RyanS
17 April 2009, 08:40
Managed to dig a picture out of my camera.

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/BCM_002_c40a.jpg

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/BCM_003_c40.sized.jpg

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/gallery/albums/bbadmin-Album-1/BCM_016.sized.jpg

Lancelot,

How is the light mount and sling mount working out together? I've always thought that the two would not work together so I've never tried it, but after seeing it done, I would like more details. Thanks.

rob_s
17 April 2009, 10:00
I'm curious about that too, as I'm going to be putting that sling mount on this gun (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/6933-04.jpg).

Lancelot
18 April 2009, 09:29
Rainier Arms sells sticky pads with a grip surface to them that fit in the depressions in the PMAGS.

Or it could be skateboard tape.

Lancelot
18 April 2009, 09:43
I'm curious about that too, as I'm going to be putting that sling mount on this gun (http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/6933-04.jpg).



So far its working out well. The sling mount is the Colt mount and I got it from PK firearms. The cheapest price I found around $29 and they were in stock.... The MI mount I got from Bravo Company.

I do not like the ring the light is in. Its a cheap scope ring I got from Wally World. It works fine, but its bulky. I'm thinking of trying one of the Vltor rings or something similar.

The swivel clears the light and ring as it sits. The ring is in like the second slot back on the rail. If you pushed it back any further, with the sling the way it is, the two will bump into each other. A lower profile ring would probably fix that. I have tried an M3, and similar lights like the TLR1 on the rail. They work fine. They don't work fine on the side with the sling.

I shoot with either my thumb up, or my forefinger pointing along the hand guards pointing forward. As such I can reach the switch on the light. If I put a light like the M3 on the other side, I can reach it with my index finger as it wraps around and under the handguards.

Now, it does add some weight to the muzzle. Its not much and I don't notice it much. I have had people tell me that they needed a generous amount of loctite to hold the MI mount in place. On one forum it was suggested that you should use red loctite if you shoot the gun a lot, or run it until its hot. I haven't shot it that hard yet. But I do have a little blue loctite on it.

Another option is to ditch the Colt style swivel and use the UWL sling mount from Blue Force Gear. Get the short length for this application. And be prepared to do some fidgiting to get the UWL on . Once its on its works well and under the FSB won't interfere with anything.

So I like it. Again the standard handguards are a necessity for my work car / gun rack. As a result all of this is a series of compromises. They are inexpensive changes, and can be made to issue guns without getting in trouble with your armorer. If Magpul made the MOE handguards for a midlength it would solve a lot of my issues.


Updated pic with sling removed for clarity.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj159/rkh316/BCM%20Middy/middy2nosling40.jpg



http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj159/rkh316/BCM%20Middy/middy6nosling40.jpg



http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj159/rkh316/BCM%20Middy/middy4nosling40.jpg



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OfcPowder
18 April 2009, 13:54
I just picked up a new AR lower - just doing my job trying to support the economy. Actually I'm impressed with this lower, it's got bullet markings instead of safe/semi. I'll probably get them color filled. And it was a good price, just under $150 out the door and made by Aero Precision in Tacoma, WA. I guess they used to make lowers for some other big name manufacturers. The finish is very nice and clean. Now comes the expensive part of building it up... :o

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1322.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1324.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1325.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1326.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1327.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z91/jwilliams028/DSC_1328.jpg

rob_s
18 April 2009, 14:34
FWIW, this is the Vltor light ring on the other MI FSB rail.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/IMG_2870Medium.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/IMG_2867Medium.jpg

Lancelot
18 April 2009, 16:45
FWIW, this is the Vltor light ring on the other MI FSB rail.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/IMG_2870Medium.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/IMG_2867Medium.jpg



Great pics thanks! Which ring is it? I know Vltor makes more then one size, right?

rob_s
18 April 2009, 18:21
It's the one meant for the G2 ;)

I really don't remember which model number or whatever.

Lancelot
18 April 2009, 19:42
[:)]

SKULL
19 April 2009, 09:54
Here's my MAGPUL VLTOR CASV CONCEPT ...

attempting a TRI-TONE COLOR AR15 ...[BD]


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor022.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor025.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor026.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor027.jpg

SKULL
19 April 2009, 09:54
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor023.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor024.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/ehrljohn/vltor029.jpg

note: wrong placement of the swivel on the UBR.. lol

bigcoastie
19 April 2009, 17:13
Noveske N4 Light Recce
Aimpoint Micro T-1 w/ LaRue 660 mount
LaRue VFG
LaRue offset flashlight mount and Surefire L4 Lumamax
VTAC 2 point padded sling
VLTOR Emod
TD battlegrip
Magpul XTM Rail covers and Ergo ladder covers on top rail
Troy BUIS

I wanted a decently lightweight setup so I tried to keep everything as minimal as possible. Starting with optic choice and the T-1 I didn't think it could be beat for weight and speed. Light setup I went with a vfg and offset mount on the flashlight to allow easy use. For the light I went with the Lumamax because of the output as well as pretty good battery life with it being an LED. I'll update more with further range use to let ya'll know how everything is working and what gets changed.

http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii328/bigcoastie/CIMG0603.jpg

http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii328/bigcoastie/CIMG0601.jpg

Stickman
19 April 2009, 18:59
note: wrong placement of the swivel on the UBR.. lol



Nothing wrong with using the front mount on the UBR, its where I use it on mine.

SKULL
19 April 2009, 19:06
Nothing wrong with using the front mount on the UBR, its where I use it on mine.


thanks for the tip stick. i was under the impression that the front mount can only be used in a single point configuration.

Lancelot
23 April 2009, 08:57
Nothing wrong with using the front mount on the UBR, its where I use it on mine.

I'm to poor to own a UBR but ditto. I like the sling there much better then on the butt end of the stock.

Ryo
25 April 2009, 01:45
Any specific reason why it's better for the button to the front of the UBR? I'm thinking it's easier to pull a tighter fit, but I don't have much experience in 2 sling configurations

DesertYote
25 April 2009, 15:19
My current setup:

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj33/DesertYote/Rifle3.jpg

'Yote

adrenaline151
25 April 2009, 17:08
Here is my rifle:
http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/evanrackley/ddm42.jpg
It is a DDM4, with a few changes made. RA was kind enough to install a FSC556 and Magpul MIAD for me, and I added the rest. I changed the MOE buttstock for a Vltor modstock, added a PRI gasbuster CH, a VTAC flashlight mount, with a Surefire G2(LED). I adjusted the VFG to fit me a little better(I have short arms), and cut the rail cover so I have a little stretch just ahead of the VFG. Now I'm just keeping my eyes open for an optic and a sling... and ammo.

Venom
25 April 2009, 23:32
is the gasbuster worth its money? and which version would you recommend?

Eric
26 April 2009, 00:10
is the gasbuster worth its money? and which version would you recommend? I find that it's a worthwhile addition when shooting a suppressed weapon, but that's about it. I do like the PBI Big Latch, but that can be purchased separately for about $20 and installed on the existing changing handle.

Venom
26 April 2009, 00:13
check.thx.

rob_s
26 April 2009, 03:49
I use the PRI, both the "military latch" by itself and the Gas Buster on suppressed guns.

Pat Rogers has been reporting a rather disturbing number of these latches causing the roll pin to snap, presumably due to the change in geometry caused by the extended lever. There also doesn't appear to be a way to predict when the failure may come.

This certainly isn't a scientific report, and I still use mine, butb I thought I'd put it out there as a side note.

TehLlama
26 April 2009, 15:54
I don't think that's attributable to the added leverage the handle gives you, instead that when the latch is fully opened, it allows the latch itself to make a first class lever with the hand exerting force on the lever rearwards, the side of the handle acting as the fulcrum and the roll pin having to absorb all the shock.
This condition is nonexistent in the stock geometry - so the roll pin wouldn't need to able to withstand hundred of pounds of force. My guess is that the M84's run above-spec roll pins because this is expected.

Lancelot
30 April 2009, 15:17
I used a Badger Tac Latch for a while. After it ripped out my appendix and broke several of my ribs I took it off. It was always poking into me or getting hung up on something. I have never tried the PRI.

In other news, the mail man just brought me a black EMOD yesterday. I'll give it a shot and see if I like it better then the CTR.

FlashMC
3 May 2009, 14:52
Here is my AR. It is a DPMS Panther™ AP4 Car. Miculek Comp. model. I have added an EOTech 557 w/ EOTech 3X Magnifier, Magpul rear MBUS, Magpul MOE Hand Guards, Magpul MIAD Pistol Grip, Command Arms Short Vertical Grip, Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard, Magpul MS2 Single Point Sling, Magpul ASAP. I also have an inexpensive bipod, but that is not on the rifle regularly.

http://www.flashmc.com/images/rifle/ar15/final/1.jpg

Jerry R
9 May 2009, 20:14
First things first – I will apologize in advance for the backdrop and promise to do better in the future.

Now, what I have and why. Once upon a time, in my infinite wisdom, I thought the best way to learn about an AR-15 was to build one from scratch. So, April 11, 1984 I received into inventory a pre-ban A2 matched upper and lower receiver from SGW – Schutzen Gun Works. They later became Olympic Arms. I won’t say they were just getting started, but the receiver has a four digit serial number, and the first digit is a one.

I also ordered a 16 inch heavy match barrel in Stainless Steel with a one in nine twist. I planned to use 55 or 60 grain bullets only and thought that was the best twist for me. The barrel came with the front sight / gas block installed in carbine length. That is the only component I did not install myself. I used all Mil-Spec parts for the assembly, most purchased at a gun show, or ordered as a "kit" from SGW with the rifle.

I installed an A2 full stock instead of a collapsible stock. My knuckles do not drag the ground, but there are some occasional bare spots around the third joints. I like the extra length of the rifle stock. I am looking at the VLTOR stock in the rifle version – but I want to shoulder one before I buy.

Below is a picture of the completed (for now) upgrades that were recently done.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0875RifleEditofJPEG.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0872CentralGroupEditfromJPEG.jpg

Some may question the Pachmeyer grip, but it was installed when I was really into revolvers, and I like the way it feels. It is slightly sticky and is their Decelerator composition. I would have used the word tacky instead of sticky, but you would have laughed and agreed for the wrong reason. Picture also shows the MagPul enhanced trigger guard.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0883PachmeyerEditfromJPEGrev2.jpg

I am getting a little old for “clearing” exercises, but wanted a light on the AR anyway. I am a fan of SureFire lights. I have an E2 Defender, 6P Defender and a 9P; all with lamp upgrades. The downside is battery life. So I went with a G2 LED. The lumen output is 80. The 6P was 60 until I installed the 120 light upgrade, so 80 is right in the middle, but the burn time is estimated at 12 hours instead of 60 minutes. I wanted to be able to reach the on button with my thumb from the FAB Defense Vertical Grip, so I used a Daniel Defense Offset Light Mount shown below. After reviewing the photos, I will probably move the light back the last eighth of an inch for better reach.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0859FlashlightEditfromJPEG.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0895FlashlightEditfromJPEG.jpg

I had an AimPoint 2000 Red Dot Sight, but never got used to the dot thing. I’m just a cross-hair kind of guy. I wish the scope was matte, but the Leupold 1.5 x 5 was in inventory, and is (in my opinion) a perfect scope for the AR class of rifle. The Carry-Handle rail is GG&G which allows use of the iron sights and slightly hoods the rear A2 sight. That seems to cut down on glare just a little. Shown below from the right side.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0860ScopeRightSideEditfromJPEG.jpg

Next up was a sling. The Gear Sector link looked to have quality products, and had what I wanted, so I ordered a black 2-point with an extra QD tab for the front.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0864FrontSwivelEditofJPEGrev2.jpg

I really don’t like the buttstock sling mount, so I ordered a Daniel Defense A2 Burnsed Ambi loop. You can also see the left side of the Leupold in the shot below.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0865RearSlingEditfromJPEG.jpg

Top down view of the DD Burnsed.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0879BurnsedEditfromJPEG.jpg

I chose the Midwest Industries front sight rails, and their heavy duty QD sling swivel mount.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0887FromFrontEditfromJPEG.jpg

I selected the FAB Defense Vertical Grip primarily because of the country of origin. The Israeli’s seem to know something about building weapons and components, and it has a life-time warranty.

I selected the GG&G front hand-guard rail because it was tapered and leveled the mount points. I also picked the UTG rail cover because it fit without cutting. It is soft rubber and very comfortable against the top of your hand when gripping the vertical.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/pdogkilr/Firearms/AR-15/IMG_0894HandguardRailEditfromJPEG.jpg

It has been a fun project, and the old girl shoots (on a real good day) between ¾ and 1.5 MOA with Remington 60 grain match and my hand loaded 55 grain V-Max. Sorry to be so long winded but the thread title was “Explain your AR-15 Layout”. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

103m 95g
10 May 2009, 04:50
My issued patrol rifle
Colt 6933
TLR-1 mounted on a rail bottom of the M4 handguards, EOTech 512, GG&G BUIS,
2pt sling
issued w/2 20 colt mags, Pmag in for the photo.
No changes authorized
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd2/103m95g/DSCN1760.jpg

pneutin
11 May 2009, 03:28
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3521859320_a1cc096049_o.jpg

This was my first build and I intended to use it for home defense. I wanted to choose components as light as possible while still achieving the purpose. Here goes:

Magpul CTR
Extremely light, but very durable and no wobble.

Magpul ASAP plate + MS2
Allow me to swing the rifle to either side as quickly as possible, and to switch from 1-point to 2-point and back.

Magpul MBUS
Light, affordable, and easy operation.

Magpul MIAD
Gave me a fatter grip than the standard A2 grip (I have long fingers), and gave a nice tacky feel with no slip.

Aimpoint T-1
Switched my Comp ML2 and haven't regretted it one bit. Much lighter, and the smaller diameter has not bothered me.

Larue 11.0 rail
I wanted as little clutter as possible in my sight picture, so I decided to go with flip-up sights instead of the standard FSB. The 11.0 was the shortest length that would cover the gas block. The Daniel Defense Lite Rail 12.0 is lighter than this 11.0, but the weight would reside farther from the center of gravity.

Tango Down QD VFG
I wanted a quick detach VFG to switch between future builds. I had not discovered Larue's FUG yet when I purchased this. :) I have one on backorder now.

Surefire X300
This is the lightest solution I found while still being plenty bright and having enough throw for home defense situations. I use a thumb-high grip so the 12 o'clock feels most natural to me. I can use my thumb to operate the switch or to deploy the front sight without much drama.

AAC Blackout
Least amount of flash is good.

BCM Upper
Durable, with a relatively light gov't profile barrel. Didn't really need sub-MOA precision.

Magpul PMAG
Bombproof.

Magpul enhanced trigger guard
In case I ever need to use gloves, I have more room.

LMT Charging handle
You can't see it in the pic, but the bigger latch makes it much easier to do one-sided pulls.

rob_s
11 May 2009, 04:25
Lots of photos in this thread with no "explaining". Thought the point here was to post the picture AND say why you chose what you did.

pneutin
11 May 2009, 09:59
I had meant to type up an explanation but it was late at night when I posted the pic. Updated my previous post :)

nthwsthntr
16 May 2009, 01:42
No pics yet, but here's what I'm working on (back to front):

Magpul UBR Stock (backordered)
Tactical Innovations T15 BDX lower
Mega A3 upper and charging handle w/ Badger Tac Latch
Fail Zero BCG
Timney Drop In Trigger Group (4 #'s)
Magpul MIAD Grip
Daniel Defense Lite Rail 9.0
Adams Arms Mid-length Piston System
18" SS Cut-rifled barrel from Satern Barrels (On order)
Tromix Shark Break (Will be ordering very soon)
Bobro Vertical Grip
YHM Flip-ups

I haven't decided on optics or mounting systems yet, but I'll get there. Also, I was hoping to acquire a Vltor MUR upper and have one on backorder (I'm not about to pay $400-500 for a part that usually sells for 1/2 that!) In any case, it's one step at a time...I hope to have it shootable by Christmas. Wish me luck! =)

Stickman
16 May 2009, 11:14
No pics yet, but here's what I'm working on (back to front):

Magpul UBR Stock (backordered)
Tactical Innovations T15 BDX lower
Mega A3 upper and charging handle w/ Badger Tac Latch
Fail Zero BCG
Timney Drop In Trigger Group (4 #'s)
Magpul MIAD Grip
Daniel Defense Lite Rail 9.0
Adams Arms Mid-length Piston System
18" SS Cut-rifled barrel from Satern Barrels (On order)
Tromix Shark Break (Will be ordering very soon)
Bobro Vertical Grip
YHM Flip-ups

I haven't decided on optics or mounting systems yet, but I'll get there. Also, I was hoping to acquire a Vltor MUR upper and have one on backorder (I'm not about to pay $400-500 for a part that usually sells for 1/2 that!) In any case, it's one step at a time...I hope to have it shootable by Christmas. Wish me luck! =)


What made you decide to go with those parts?

Globemaster
16 May 2009, 15:25
I built this Retro’ish carbine last year utilizing mostly 'used' parts along with a newly released Olympic Arms barrel and bolt in the .221R / 5.54x39mm chambering … the build pretty much came together in one afternoon; other than the final process of pinning and welding of the 5.5in flashhider [:)]

XM-177 Retro Parts List

Olympic Arms SS .221R barrel assembly 1:8 twist rate.
Complete 5.45x39mm bolt w/ firing pin.
A1 upper receiver w/ tear drop forward assist and w/o case deflector. *
OA barrel 16in / cut to 11.5in (pinned and welded) with 5.5in. Slotted Flash Hider.
Gas hole on the barrel was opened up .002 larger.
MAX-15 Skull lower receiver.
Olympic Arms (LPK).
CAR style (3) position collapsible buttstock. *
A1 USGI pistol grip *
semi-custom triangle handguards w/ aluminum liner. *

( * ) denotes used part:

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jp0319
27 May 2009, 08:46
ok let me preface this by saying none of this is done and it is just a plan. I have a S&W VTAC waiting for me when I get back from Afghanistan, and below is my plan for it.

Vltor EMOD in FDE
Magpul MAID in FDE
Magpul enhanced trigger guard
Larue LT 15-10 10" Tube
Troy Front and rear BUIS
Magpul XTM Panels in FDE
Tango Down Stubby in FDE
PRI Gas Buster Charging Handle
Magpul ASAP
Blue Force Gear UDC Sling
AAC Blackout 51T
Trijicon TR24G 1-4x in a Larue LT-104 Mount
and plenty of FDE P Mags [:D]

m24shooter
31 May 2009, 09:54
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1206.jpg

14.5" 1:7 M4 profile: Wanted a short barrel for getting in and out of vehicles/doorways without the SBR hassle. I like the lightweight M4 profile over a standard medium/HBAR profile. On the BCG I added the bolt extractor upgrades to ensure positive extraction and function. I run an H buffer as well since I'm using a short gas system. No problems out of them.

Phantom: Good comp/flash hider. Would have gone with an AAC Blackout but it wasn't out at the time. Didn't like the "ping" with the Vortex. May replace it with an AAC.

MIAD: Best grip size/shape for me. My perfect grip was an A2 with a Hogue sleeve over it. Perfect swell, great texture/grippiness. But after a very short while they would tear on gear or whatever and I'd have to replace them. I wish the MIAD was a little wider, but it is the best I've found. The storage isn't a big deal to me, although I keep some extractor parts, a FP retaining pin, and a bore reflector in there. The integral guard I like far better than the GI version. No middlefinger knuckle wear/torn gloves.
Vltor Modstock: Battery storage (I can hold 2 AAs and 3 123s), very rugged, wide surface for cheekweld, doesn't wobble. Room for foamies left over. Tethered the storage caps on my black Modstock but I haven't done it on this one yet.

Troy Battlesight: The default apeture when the sight is pulled up is the large one. I didn't care for always having to flip to the large ap on the ARMS unit that I used to have. The sight is well-built, and both aps are same-plane so I don't have any considerations for adjusting aim when switching between the two. My biggest concern is that the sight locks in the up position. I would be more worried about this out in front but I don't think it will be a serious issue on a rear sight.

EOTech: AA battery, long battery life (hopefully), rugged, A65 reticle which as a long-time Aimpoint user I am liking more and more each day, auto-off. Considering the Accucam and the lens-cover. I liked the peace of mind of a sacrificial lens on my Aimpoint and I'd like the same thing on the EOThingy.

DD Omega: Great rail. Light, freefloat, easy install, no mods needed to stock parts, low profile. I had an RASII for a long time that worked great with my Aimpoint, but the hump cost me real estate up top. The Omega is a little slimmer, although taller. The pseudo monorail allows me to push the EOThingy out a little farther leaving room for my Aimpoint magnifier and BUIS without having to have the optic planted out on the forward rail, which I would rather avoid. Integral QD holes at the rear of rail mean I don't have to have the DD QD mount as on the RASII. I can also switch my EOThingy out for an ACOG on an ADM mount and keep my BUIS mounted. Couldn't do that with my RASII as the ADM mount was just slightly too long.

SureFire 6P converted to 9V: Calvin helped me out with this one. I carry SF 6 and 9V handhelds of various sorts, so I wanted some commonality. Calvin set me up with a weaponlight head and rear battery adapter so I could run a 9V lamp assembly. He also got me the pushbutton tailcap with the guard around it to prevent accidental discharges. I don't care for tape switches, so this was a must for me. With the common parts between pretty much all of my lights, I can swap pieces back and forth between my lights. If I need to use a 6V lamp assembly all I have to do is remove the rear adapter and change the lamp assembly. I may eventually switch out for the VFG light.

XTM panels: I used to use the KAC panels on my RASII. It made for a great protection for the rails and from heat, but was very wide. I also had to slide them on from the end. The XTM lets me put the panels on from anywhere. they are a slimmer profile and have held up well. For those that want to improvise camo the color choices allow that. The raised ribs proivde a great, slip-resistent surface.

PRI Big Latch: I like the extra grip surface of the latch without it being overly large as with some of the others that snag and stab. The latch is big enough to be easily hooked when needed but out of the way when not.

SPRE: I like the low profile sling loop. It is out of the way for manipulations and the 1" Gear Sector webbing allows for the smaller protrusion. Webs that are wider require more loop width which means it has to stick out farther. I am not a fan of the ambi loops and the loop/HK hook combo mounts. I'm thinking about mounting one of the QD capable end plates or clamp units.

GS-2P: Great sling, I've used Gear Sector stuff for a long time. I've got a review on the GS-2P here if you want all the reasons I like it.

TD QD VFG: If you have big hands this grip will fit your mitt. I like the width of the VFG and it provides a good anchor point for my support hand while allowing me to hit the tailcap on my light without contorting my hand. I don't use a tapeswitch currently so I don't utilize the switch pocket. I do keep a pair of AAs in the storage compartment. The QD feature bypass some of the problems previously found on the non-QD VFGs. If I need to take the grip off, obviously the QD feature allows me to do so without having to remove any panels.

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newyork
31 May 2009, 20:35
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt134/rslamiroult/PICT0001-6.jpg
cmmg lower
DD A2 burnsed loop
Sully stock
Gear Sector 2 pt sling
miad grip
Noveske N4 basic upper
Aimpoint ML2 with Larue LT-150 mount
DD 7" Omega Rail
Surefire 6p in a Larue offset mount
Surefire muzzle brake
started out as a NY compliant n4 basic upper from Rainier Arms. i wanted a simple go to gun for casual shooting and defense. sully stock was a natural choice for me being in a ban state and this stock is the perfect length and is bomb proof. added the light and the Omega and a vfg after realizing i wanted rails. decided on the ml2 because it was inexpensive and tough and larue's mounts are tough and repeatable. got rid of the vfg and tried out the gear sector and loved it. a great light weight rifle.
http://i605.photobucket.com/albums/tt134/rslamiroult/PICT0001-5.jpg
Noveske N4 Light Lopro
Sully stock
DD A2 burnsed loop
Vicker's/Larue 2 pt sling
miad grip
Aimpoint T-1 in a Larue LT-660
Surefire by G and R Tactical in a Larue offset mount
Surefire muzzle brake
bought this as a complete rifle. n4 light lopro. it came with a vltor a1 clubfoot. i added the sully and DD a2 burnsed loop. aimpoint t-1 in a larue and found the t-1 to be awesome . i love it! the Surefire is from G&R tac. its customized by Grant. I had it in my safe after selling the bushy it was on.it's also in a larue offset. Vicker's/Larue sling is padded and comfortable although a little busy. this gun also had a vfg that I took off recently. both rifles have magpul rail covers and Badger tac latches.
i'm really loving the longer rails, clutter free sight picture and balance of the N4 light lopro. If the SHTF, i'll be grabbing the N4 Light and the girlfriend (if she dares) will have the N4 Basic

m24shooter
1 June 2009, 09:07
Good post. I have one of Grant's lights too. Good little light.

newyork
1 June 2009, 13:22
Thanks m24shooter! Now I just have to get these noveskes, my G19 and my lazy ass to a class to learn how to use them a lot better.

iamjonscranium
2 June 2009, 21:12
Magwell grip - This was just a novelty item I put on, but I ended up liking it. It's ideal if you are shooting over a barrier and need a close grip on your rifle.

Stark SE-1 Grip - I posted a review under the ar-15 discussion forum.

This is my first gun. It has a 21" heavy barrel. It was made by PWA, which I've heard is an excellent company that has since gone out of business and been bought by another great AR manufacturer.

My plan for this gun is to get a medium weight 16" barrel and do a 'dissipator' design so I have less weight and length with max sight radius.

Edit: Eh, I'm going to bed. I'll post my pictures once I get them on my photo site.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/3596574192_e7b0ce394d.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3595765123_a5fb31e05d.jpg?v=0

If someone could explain why my pics show up as links and not images, that would be great.

nthwsthntr
3 June 2009, 13:18
What made you decide to go with those parts?

Hey Stick,
Let’s try this again. I had typed up damned near full page before and in the process was timed out on the site – losing the whole page. I’m gonna have to remember that for later when lengthy posts.

So the reason for this build is to fulfill my def of the consummate SPR weapon. A truly versatile weapon that has the ability to reach out and touch someone yet is also lightweight and quick enough to be handled in tight quarters.

That being said I’ll try to tackle this like I did the initial post, back-to-front:

Magpul UBR stock – I was originally gonna go with the PRS, but it doesn’t lend itself as readily to that versatility that I’m lookin for. I also looked at the Vltor EMod and CAA SRS. The EMod is a great stock, but I feel the UBR is stronger and has better overall feel to me. As for the SRS…there is just WAY too much goin on there…I like to keep my guns simple.

T.I. T15 lower – I like billet. I would have gone with another brand such as LaRue, POF or Sun Devil if they had presented themselves and the price was right, but it just so happened that a local shop had 3 of the T.I’s in stock when I was looking. So T. I. it was.

Mega upper – I would like a Vltor MUR, but I refuse to pay the inflated prices that they are currently going for or LaRue if I could get one and actually, I have each of these backordered. I went with the Mega over the standard key hole uppers simply because I know Mega as a sure and worthy manufacture of AR parts.

2nd gen Mega charging handle and Tac latch - I like 2nd gen Tac latch cause it is solid and not hollowed out like the gen I’s, which I believe results in a stronger part. The 2nd gen Mega charging handle has those great little grooves milled into it…lol. Aside from that it just matches the upper. I don’t require a gasbuster as I’m not likely to be shooting suppressed and this is not a SBR.

Fail Zero BCG – I love this BCG! If it proves to be as reliable and it runs as clean as it states…who wouldn’t. I looked at the YM’s SS BCG’s and at JP BCG’s, but when I realized that the Fail Zero was only a few dollars more…it was a no brainer.

Timney trigger – I went with the Timney simply because I know them. I have Timney’s on several of my bolt guns and they leave me worry free. Also, I like the drop in style. I have two just in case something happens to the one is use…it’s a quick simple change out.

Magpul MIAD – It’s magpul quality and it’s the most adaptable grip out there.

DD lite rail – I like the feel of this rail. It’s comfortable and doesn’t feel out of proportion in my hands. I thought about the DD Omega rail, but I’d rather have a 1 pc over a 2 pc just for strength and stability. Also it doesn’t require milling for the AA piston system that I’ll be using.

AA piston system – I looked at TNW, PWS and ARES systems before settling on the AA. The TNW and the ARES I found to be very similar to the first gen LWRC system that was discontinued and the PWS is basically the AA system which is similar to the LWRC 2nd gen system. Another great feature is that a layman can work on the AA system – relatively speaking that is. I understand that CMMG also has a retrofit system that I haven’t looked at this point.

18” custom barrel – I had planned on using Sabre Defenses’ SPR barrel, but a buddy told me about a nice little custom shop that offering cut-rifle barrels for a competitive price with a shorter wait. It was a no brainer after that. I’ll add that I ruled out the Noveske 18” barrels on the same grounds as the MUR upper – great product, but inflated prices.

Tromix shark break – Have you seen this thing? I love it! In a word – WICKED. I like to call this thing the squealer…if I dug this thing into you leg and gave it a twist you’d squeal like a pig and then tell me anything I wanted to hear.

The rest is just dressing really…LaRue this, Bobro that or Yankee Hill whatever. It’s basically Ford vs. Chevy to me. I will add that you won't find a bunch of gear hangin off my weapon. I like the High-speed / Low-drag angle of things.

So that’s it. I’d be happy to answer more questions or clarify in greater detail if asked.

Cheers! And stay low…

Jerry R
5 June 2009, 08:06
If someone could explain why my pics show up as links and not images, that would be great.

Your hosting site should offer a link that starts with [IMG] that is the one you want to copy into your posts.

SKULL
6 June 2009, 12:17
Final Concept:

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa182/modestoairsoft/noveske001-1.jpg

Upper Receiver:

14.5 Noveske N4 Afghan with stainless steel 5.56 barrel with pinned Smith Vortex flash supressor. It also comes with VLTOR MUR upper reciever. Very solid design and a top notch quality product. I choose the 14.5 length to decrease the overall length of the rifle.

Rail Panels:
Magpul XTM with different shades to give the rifle a unique look. Easy to install but pain in the ass on removal.
Magpul ladder FDE/Black Top/Bottom

BUIS:
Troy Folding Battle Sight FDE - i choose these over the Magpul MBUS for it's robust nature and quality and it gives the rifle a low profile look.

Vertical Grip:
Tango Down Short Vertical Grip - lightweight and better than Larue FUG IMO. No wobble or play compared to the FUG.

Lower Receiver:
Kaiser Defense - hate the logo but really good quality not to mention it's made in San Diego California.

Optic:
Trijicon ACOG 4x32 TA01ECOS Sight - gives me long distance view and Doctor Red Dot for close quarters. The best of both worlds all in one. My only complain is it's eye relief.

Grip:
Magpul MIAD Grip FDE - better grip compared to others even when m hands are wet or using gloves.

Stock:
Magpul UBR FDE - very solid and sturdy except it's quite heavy but i still love it. it gives better cheek weight compared to the CTR.

Sling:
VCAS Padded 2 point sling - it gives better weight distribution and can easily be adjusted even when wearing a body armor. I tried the Magpul MS2 but i feel like i'm being choke in single point configuration. The rifle is a tad heavy and gives me problem when i transitioned to my secondary. So opted or the padded 2 point.

Light:
Surefire X300 - lighweight and easy to manipulate.





http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1222

^^^^
more pix on the link above.

nthwsthntr
8 June 2009, 16:35
That's some damned fine iron you got here.





These were explained earlier in the thread:

Daniel Defense SPR
Colt HBAR
LMT CQBR




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iamjonscranium
9 June 2009, 17:25
I copied the location from properties and pasted it in the 'insert image' thing that gives it the . when i go to edit my post the img's are there.

puffy93
15 June 2009, 21:29
Current cheepo setup:

-Stock DPMS lower
-16" heavy Del-Ton upper
-YHM Specter gas block
-cheap 3-9 scope

Still to go

-Vltor Emod
-Vltor MUR
-Noveske 12.5" Crusader barrel
-Noveske QD endplate
-Larue lo profile gas block
-Trijicon TA31F on Larue mount
-Trijicon RMR on DD 1 O'Clock mount
-Larue 11" Free float Rail
-Surefire suppressor
-Magpul MIAD
-Magpul MS2 sling
-Magpul XTM rail covers
-Magpul MOE trigger guard
-TangoDown VFG

Beaux
16 June 2009, 17:59
Newbie here .......... I acquired my first AR 8 months ago. It's a stock Stag 2TL (lefty) with .......

A.R.M.S. 40L rear sight
Standard front post
Ambi safety selector
LMT collapsible mod stock
Samson Star C quad rail
Ergo ambi suregrip pistol grip
Ergo VF grip
EOTech 557
Safariland RLS

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/gmsssi/AR/P1020650.jpg

Then I got into some builds...........


Rock River lower and LPK
M1 Sales 16" carbine upper in 5.56
Magpul MOE collapsible stock in FDE (Dark Earth)
Magpul Pmag(s) FDE
Ergo ambi Sure Grip FDE
Midwest Industries 4 rail handguard (non-free float) FDE
Midwest Industries flip up rear sight FDE
Ambi safety

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/gmsssi/AR/P1020442.jpg

And then a throw together mutt .............

Rock River lower
MA Parts LPK
M1 Sales 20" rifle upper in 5.56
Stag collapsible stock (leftover from the 2TL)
Cammenga 30 rd EasyMag ........ I need to get some 20's
Stock grip and handguard
I've since put a Rock River carry handle on it.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/gmsssi/AR/P1020448.jpg

I just got my hands on a Stag 20" 4L (lefty) upper and the plan is to put it on a Stag lower, Stag LPK, standard front post and carry handle, Furniture in Foliage Green with a A2 fixed stock. Any suggestions guys?

m24shooter
16 June 2009, 18:38
You got the BRD bad bro. My suggestion would be learn how to hide/justify expenses with the wife and get a side job if you've managed to get this deep in 8 months!
If you're going to run a 20", why not put some good glass on it for a distance shooter? Your others look GTG.

Beaux
16 June 2009, 18:52
My wife gave up long ago, she doesn't know half of what I got in my safes. I shoot competition skeet and sporting clays. If I put into AR's like I have shotguns and Sig pistols, Oh my!

Speaking of glass, how well would a removable scope setup hold zero on a railed upper if I wanted to swap with a CH or should I dedicate a scope to the gun? I have thought of putting a Bushnell Elite I have on the righty 20".

m24shooter
16 June 2009, 19:25
Depends. With a good mount? No problem. It boils down to just how much accuracy is acceptable. A good QD mount will let you return within 1MOA or less if you can do your part. If you are wanting to put holes in holes at 500M that's another issue.

Mr.Goodtimes
18 June 2009, 04:59
-Spikes Tactical 16in Upper (carbine gas system)
-CMMG Lower
-VLTOR EMOD
-H3 Buffer
-MOE Grip
-Winter Trigger Guard
-MI SPLP BUIS
-American Defense Eotech Mount
-Eotech 512
-Larue 11.0
-MI Front BUIS
-DD Low profile GB
-Surefire MB556K
-Gear Sector two point sling

http://i40.tinypic.com/nmg31g.jpg


The rifle has been setup as sort of a do it all rifle. I wanted a rifle that could handle anything from CQB to medium range engagements. I also wanted a rifle that would shoot and handle very well, and this rifle puts out.

Its balanced extremely well, and with the Surefire brake and H3 buffer, is an extremely smooth shooting rifle with almost no recoil. The recoil and muzzle climb this rifle produces is comparable to a .22 LR.

spamsammich
22 June 2009, 23:04
I'd been scheming about a build with a Noveske barrel ever since my FFL transfer guy showed me the line of SS barrels he was able to get from NRW. His own gun was built around a beautiful 18" barrel and got me hooked instantly after he related some of his results.

My reasoning for the Afghan was it would make the shortest barrel to legally own in Washington state once the flash hider was permed. We're not allowed to have SBRs in this state and even worse than that, we cannot fire suppressed weapons. We are fully within our rights to own silencers, and mount them on our weapons, but we cannot actually use them! As a F U to the legislators I wanted a rifle that would be fully legal in this state, handle well, and be suppressor ready in case laws changed or people in the capital finally pulled their heads out of their asses.

Of course, the post-Obama hysteria put a damper on the plans and the economy did me no favors so I concentrated on a lighter, cheaper build that resulted in this LMT carbine:
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4033.jpg
An X300 is now mounted at 12 o'clock in front of the BUIS.

As things came back into stock, Rainier provided the barrel:
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_3998.jpg
Which went together with a 10" Lite rail, and a Rainier forged upper receiver.

I had a chance to try some new building techniques for me like staking the gas block set screws and using Rocksett:
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_3995.jpg

Here's the gas block under a 10" rail:
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4002.jpg

http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4005.jpg

Not being able to buy a Noveske switchblock as a stand alone piece seemed like a big problem at first until I realized that AAC made a silencer in the SPR-M4 that would help reduce blowback. John and Mike at Rainier assured me that the combination of Afghan and this suppression system would work great together so this was the result:
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4014.jpg
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4025.jpg

The rest of the parts list yielded some interesting finds like the possibility that the Young Mfg phosphated bolt carriers are from FN:
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_1572.jpg

I also discovered that the CTR I had sitting around just doesn't do much to balance out the rifle, I may go with a Modstock or UBR to balance it out. I have an EMOD on another Lower but I don't necessarily want to break up that lower since it is for sale. For now the CTR stays.

http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4032.jpg
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4035.jpg
http://web.me.com/supermarkus/iWeb/Site/Noveske%20Afghan%20build_files/IMG_4037.jpg

Eventually it will get better glass than a PoBoy/2MOA ML3.
The upper sits on a B-series Noveske lower receiver I got from Ten Ring Enterprises Prior to last year's election. The lower is stuffed with a G&R Tactical lower parts kit, LMT H buffer, spring, and receiver extension. It is by far my favorite lower, best single stage trigger, and the cleanest lower I've built to date. The only change I would make to it if I could do it over would be a MOE grip and trigger guard to save a few clams.

Being a rather small guy, this build is a touch heavier than I would like, but for now I'm pleased with it. This is my ideal precision AR, I would have liked a MUR or perhaps a VIS-2A for this build but I refuse to be gouged for one.

I put 50 rounds through it to function check and get the sights on paper. I only shot on a 25 yard range but it was nice to see the gun put rounds right on top of each other or 5 shot groups touching each other despite me pulling the trigger. As they say, it shoots better than I ever will. I had a major scare after testing it with my CMMG .22 conversion. I had actually forgotten how much it can foul up a barrel and my first 5 shot group after switching back to centurion ammo were spread all over creation! After another 10 rounds it tightened back up. No malfs of any kind. I'm really looking forward to shooting the hell out of this rig.

Thanks to everyone that helped me out on this build and my other rifles: Stickman, the Rainier crew, gotm4, grant, and Jason at Ten Ring.

Buckeye67
23 June 2009, 00:28
http://content.imagesocket.com/images/T1bdc9.jpg

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/T1aad6.jpg

My intent was to build a "general purpose" (home defense/SHTF/ZA) rifle. I was out of the AR business completely for about 15 years, so after researching what was out there, I decided that a 16" BCM midlength would best suit my needs. So far I've put about 700 rounds through the gun with zero problems.

So there it is:

Upper:
16" BCM Midlength upper
BCM FA BCG
LMT Charging Handle (the new type w/tac latch)
LMT Rear Sight
Daniel Defense Omega 9.0 w/Magpul XTM Panels
Streamlight TLR-1
Aimpoint T-1 on a LaRue LT-660 mount.

Lower:
CMMG Lower
BCM milspec RE
Magpul Enhanced Trigger Guard
CMT/Stag LPK (the Stag trigger was soft, so it was replaced with a Colt)
Magpul MOE Grip
Magpul MOE Stock

VCAS Sling.

I'll be replacing the lower with one of the Bravo Company complete lowers as soon as funds become available. I also intend to replace the MOE stock with the Magpul ACS stock when they become available. I'm also replacing the LMT rear with the Magpul MBUS and plan on picking up a LaRue Po' Boy magnifier when funds allow. The last thing I'm considering is a Tango Down short VFG.

With those last changes and additions, I don't think I could ask for a better rifle for me.

CCK
23 June 2009, 21:22
(I wanted to take real photos tonight but forgot good camera at work, so its iPhone for now)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9947/ar1w.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4430/ar2n.jpg

Armalite ar15 mid length: Got it during the recent craziness, its what the gunstore had on the shelves.

Replaced upper with Les Baer upper without forward assist: Never used the forward assist on last rifle and I’m a lefty and the FA just gets in the way when going to charge the weapon with my right index finger and thumb.

Had ADCO re-profile barrel to as light as possible and cut and re-crown at 14.2”

Silver soldered Surefire MB556 muzzle brake: With the barrel shortened this makes it 16.1” and works with the can I am getting shortly.

Magpul CTR (awaiting ACS): Off another rifle, just waiting on the new stock. In FDE obviously!

PRI Gen III rifle length free float carbon tube. I like handguards over the gasblock and don’t need a whole lot of rail space. It was beautiful can’t believe I painted over it.

Shaved FSB: Took Rob S. recommendation that the best gasblock is this because of the taper pins.

ARMS 40L rear BUIS, front MBUS: I’m not real fond of the way the ARMS works but it is of a smaller width than the magpul rear, this helps when grabbing charging handle. The front I don’t care about the size. I don’t plan on using either of these a whole lot.

Armadynamics Charging handle: Have I mentioned that I’m a lefty?

Gear Sector right side receiver end plate and GS2P sling: Best in the business.

Trijicon TA33-8 in a ADM mount. This is my GP rifle, so accurate fire at distance may be necessary. And its relatively quick for closer shooting too.

Ergo Grip: I like the santoprene feel.

Gen I Redimag modded by a friend of mine: Still undecided on this. Clint Smith makes a point on a DVD that people only bring the gun and the ammo that is there to a gunfight. I thought if that’s the case, I’ll take as much on the gun as I can carry and have reliably work (hence no Beta C). Keep in mind I have a chest rig set up in a bandoleer guise, but just in case… Some day hope to be as fast with it as Mr. Haley in AotTC. Got it for cheap and my buddy didn’t charge me to hack on it.

Battery Assist Device : Very necessary if running the “Redi-Mod”

Brownells Alumahyde 2 coyote done by a friend and me: Living in the desert I have noticed how quickly a black rifle gets too hot to touch from the combination of sunlight and barrel heat. Obviously the light color has some concealment benefits too in AZ. Also CDI.

Soon to follow:

Streamlight TLR1: I like where I can place it and very bright for its size and price.

Surefire 556-212 FDE: My good friend has one (the guy who helped with paint). I love the (verified by me) zero POI shift.


Thanks for looking,

Chris

rob_s
28 June 2009, 11:46
Might generate some controversy...

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/HD-nosights.jpg

Stated purpose: Home Defense
Kept in a locked safe in the bedroom. Intended for use at oh-dark-thirty when there is no time for holsters/chest rigs/armor/etc. This would be the one and only defensive tool in hand, and is likely to be employed at contact distance indoors.

A Glock 19 is also stored in the same location with a light as well and is an alternative option in a defensive scenario, or something that the significant other (SO) can operate if needed. Having both guns available means options, and options are a good thing. Either the SO can run the carbine from the bedroom while I retrieve the kid with the Glock, for vice versa, or we can each take a gun and exit the house if the situation dictates.

Base Rifle: Colt 6933
The Colt 6933 is a factory registered short barreled rifle that is identical in it's factory form to the 6920 except that it has an 11.5" barrel instead of a 16" and said barrel is a .625" diameter "pencil" barrel instead of an M4 profile. It offers a perfect compromise between ballistic effectiveness at short range, light weight, as well as compatibility with the chosen suppressor.

Rail: Daniel Defense M4 9.0
Lighter than virtually any rail system on the market, and mates perfectly with the suppressor chosen in that it stops at the front edge of the shaved FSB which is the same place the suppressor stops. Slimmer than the Lite rail and lighter than the Larue rails. The 9.0 legth means that as much of the barrel is covered to protect the shooter from heat, as possible and allows the light to be mounted as far forward as possible.

Gas Block: Shaved FSB
The single best option for a low-profile gas block. Period.

Optic: Aimpoint ML2
Larger 30mm Aimpoint size chosen in lieu of the micro, in spite of heavier weight, due to increased flexibility in head placement. My experience has shown that the dot in the micro, while easy to find, can be harder to find than in the larger tube.

Optic Mount: Larue
Secure, locking lever. May mar the finish but who cares. Less small parts than some other designs and well proven over the years. No magnifier used with this carbine so no need for cantilever.

Rail Covers: Ergo & Magpul
Ergo at the sides to protect from heat should rail start to heat up, XT covers forward of the vert grip where weight of the gun rests on support hand to distribute the load.

Grip: Magpul MIAD set up to match size of MOE
Allows storage of NFA paperwork and is sized to match grips on other AR pattern firearms used for other purposes. Allows me to get my hand up higher than other grips as well as keeps my hand a little further to the rear making the interface of trigger and finger a little more natural.

Stock: Magpul CTR
Matches feel of MOE on other carbines but adds QD sling loop. While this carbine generally does not wear a sling, having the option to add one for training purposes when slinging up is required for admin purposes is a good thing. No need for any kind of battery storage etc. in a carbine of this use as if the light goes down there would be no time to change them.

VFG: Tango Down Stubby
Smaller size than original, and works well as a hand stop and reference point for placement of support hand to activate light. No need for QD, and light weight.

Light: Streamlight TLR-1
135 Lumens for 2.5 hours. Inexpensive. Plenty bright for intended use. Allows 12 o'clock mount with works perfectly with either hand for support-side shooting. Easily detached to reduce weight during long training evolutions or to attach to a handgun if needed.

Suppressor: Ops 15th Model
Perfect mate to 6933 11.5" barrel and M4 9.0 rail system. With the intended use of this carbine being indoors, having a suppressor is a good thing not only for the shooter but for any family that may be in proximity when the gun has to be used. The suppressor can also be removed if needed to lighten the load for long training evolutions, but the muzzle break mount is not something you'd want to fire off indoors.

Other: BFG Redimod & SDI BAD Lever
With no secondary on my person, emergency reloads and malfunction clearances become key. Key to both of these is actually having the spare magazine as well as being able to rapidly perform the action without losing the firing grip. With this setup I have a spare magazine on the gun even if I'm in my pajamas AND I can get to it faster than any other setup whether in a reload or malfunction clearance situation. The BAD allows the bolt to be locked to the rear and a double feed cleared faster than without. With no secondary, time for performing these tasks is critical.

Sights: None
No need. Should the optic go down I will simply shoot to the light point. I have fired an AR using only the Aimpoint tube at under 5 yards and using the light as an aiming point and while less than ideal it is faster, for me, than going looking for iron sights. If iron sights get added to this carbine they will be the Daniel Defense fixed front and rear. For now, if needed for training, a cut down carry handle and YHM fixed front sight can be added and both can be attached via thumb-screw requiring no tools.

Sling: None
No need. With no secondary to transition to and with time being of the essence, a sling is unlikely to make it around my body and in that case becomes a liability as a snag point as well as something an adversary could grab or otherwise use against me. If needed for training purposes a sling, BFG Vickers, can be added at the QD points in the stock and at the MI mount attached to the rail at the barrel nut.


Fully equipped:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/HD-nomags.jpg



Fully equipped less can:

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/HD-nocan.jpg

GriffonSec
28 June 2009, 15:17
Rob,

Thanks for that as I'm in the middle of an 11.5 build now, with the same purpose in mind.

Cameron
30 June 2009, 07:29
Might generate some controversy...I don't think it is controversial, it looks good, and makes sense for it's intended use.

Cameron

Stickman
5 July 2009, 14:24
A question was posed on another board asking what you considered to be an ultimate carbine if you could only have one AR15, while I could have gone a few different directions, here was my reply.


If I could only have one, and it would have to serve as a jack of all trades, for LE, MIL, SHTF, or any other uses, this is what it would be.

Noveske upper- An upper is an upper as long as its in spec, the only reason to change would be for a reinforced upper like a MUR if needed.
Noveske N4 barrel- HIgh quality, more accurate than needed, stellarlongevity, etc etc... the 12.5" provides a combination of handling and lethality for a reasonable distance.
Noveske BCG- High quality M16 BCG.
Noveske lower- FA isn't a requirement for very many things, but its a nice option to have, and I like both their people, and products.

KAC rear sight- High quality durable sight that can be adjusted as needed.
KAC front folding sight- Pinned folding sight that isn't going to come loose.
KAC Aimpoint Mount- Rock solid heavy duty mount.

Insight AN/PEQ 15- Actual needs for this are debatable for many scenarios, but in the world of " haves" and "have nots", its better to "have".

AAC SPR/M4 FS- Since the can that goes along with it is in another picture, it makes sense to have the mount. No can needed for some scenarios, very needed for others. This mount also does a great job in killing flash when the can isn't being used.

Geiselle SSF trigger- Fantastic trigger that has proven itself with some of the most elite of units. In the world of ultimate combat triggers, this is it in my book. I run mine with a slightly heavier disco spring.

Midwest Industries QD Sling Mount- This sling mount works great, locks up tight and is low profile.

Surefire Scout Light- Very bright, very durable, very simple.

Magpul PMAG- Reliable magazine that takes a lot of abuse, windowed or standard, I have no preference, they work and thats what matters.
Magpul MIAD- This configuration fits my hand perfectly, and yes I like the front strap with the finger nub.
Magpul ACS Stock- I have an entire review with a loads of pictures that explain why I consider this the ultimate stock ACS Stock Review (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1277)

LMT 40mm Grenade launcher- There is more to life than 40mm HEDP, but while they are useful, flares aren't as fun. Besides, the 203 on this takes me back to my days of being a M203 gunner complete with cadence.....


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_9794%201024%20stick.jpg

Cameron
24 July 2009, 12:00
A question was posed on another board asking what you considered to be an ultimate carbine if you could only have one AR15, while I could have gone a few different directions, here was my reply.


If I could only have one, and it would have to serve as a jack of all trades, for LE, MIL, SHTF, or any other uses, this is what it would be.

Noveske upper- An upper is an upper as long as its in spec, the only reason to change would be for a reinforced upper like a MUR if needed.
Noveske N4 barrel- HIgh quality, more accurate than needed, stellarlongevity, etc etc... the 12.5" provides a combination of handling and lethality for a reasonable distance.
Noveske BCG- High quality M16 BCG.
Noveske lower- FA isn't a requirement for very many things, but its a nice option to have, and I like both their people, and products.

KAC rear sight- High quality durable sight that can be adjusted as needed.
KAC front folding sight- Pinned folding sight that isn't going to come loose.
KAC Aimpoint Mount- Rock solid heavy duty mount.

Insight AN/PEQ 15- Actual needs for this are debatable for many scenarios, but in the world of " haves" and "have nots", its better to "have".

AAC SPR/M4 FS- Since the can that goes along with it is in another picture, it makes sense to have the mount. No can needed for some scenarios, very needed for others. This mount also does a great job in killing flash when the can isn't being used.

Geiselle SSF trigger- Fantastic trigger that has proven itself with some of the most elite of units. In the world of ultimate combat triggers, this is it in my book. I run mine with a slightly heavier disco spring.

Midwest Industries QD Sling Mount- This sling mount works great, locks up tight and is low profile.

Surefire Scout Light- Very bright, very durable, very simple.

Magpul PMAG- Reliable magazine that takes a lot of abuse, windowed or standard, I have no preference, they work and thats what matters.
Magpul MIAD- This configuration fits my hand perfectly, and yes I like the front strap with the finger nub.
Magpul ACS Stock- I have an entire review with a loads of pictures that explain why I consider this the ultimate stock ACS Stock Review (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1277)

LMT 40mm Grenade launcher- There is more to life than 40mm HEDP, but while they are useful, flares aren't as fun. Besides, the 203 on this takes me back to my days of being a M203 gunner complete with cadence.....


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_9794%201024%20stick.jpg


WOW! [adore]

Rated21R
24 July 2009, 23:37
all kinds of really good info in here. it will help me in my decision process for sure. thanks.

HMFIC
25 July 2009, 00:02
Very informative thread. I can only view the last page, the first 4 pages I get:
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I seem to be getting this message on about 25% of the threads on WE. ?????

Juicebox
26 July 2009, 18:18
http://i42.tinypic.com/s5fzi0.jpg

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http://i43.tinypic.com/vudso.jpg

Purpose: Duty Weapon

Bushmaster Lower:I wanted to build something from the bottom up, and I needed something that was on the approved weapons list. Bushmaster was listed as one and a friend found me a deal on a pair.

Changes to lower: Magpul MIAD grip. The Trigger guard needed to be replaced with the Magpul Trigger guard to eliminate the annoying gap. After a few range trips overseas, I've learned how annoying the gap was. The KNS Anti-rotation pins were just because.

Magpul UBR: I wanted a solid, no rattle stock. I loved the idea of the cheek piece being stationary so its the same feel no matter how extended/collapsed the stock was. QD sling mounts were a plus.

LaRue Stealth Upper: Trusted it to be in specs.

LaRue 10" Free Float Rail: QD sling mounts and just enough rail space.

16" Noveske Hammer Forged N4 Light Reece Barrel: Wanted a midlength gas system. It's more then accurate enough. 16" so I could change the F/H myself if I wanted.

PRI Big latch: More to grab.

Young MFG BCG: It was available. Diamond Black coated.

Magpul XTM Rail Covers: Thin. Short.

LaRue FUG: I wanted something simliar to the KAC VFG in diameter with a QD.

Surefire X300 w/LaRue QD: After carrying an M4 with Surefire's M910A attached to it, I knew I wanted a pistol light on my personal weapon. Surefire quality and enough light. Love the push tailcap feature to activate the light.

Troy BUIS: Had them on my previous weapon. Durable and lo-profile.

Aimpoint Comp M4S W/LaRue QD: Used the Comp M4 overseas, loved how easy it was to operate. Loved the battery life. Aimpoint repositioned the knob to the bottom, it never bothered me before, but Aimpoint thought it was important enough, so I gave it a try. LaRue QD; even though Aimpoint improved the QRP mount, it still fell off at times. The LaRue is a little slimmer and doesn't have a knob protruding from its side.

Magpul PMAGs: Haven't failed me yet.

Vikings Tactic's VTAC: Not a fan of the single point, though they have their purpose. I haven't found one I liked.

Cameron
26 July 2009, 20:25
Nice rifle, looks well thought out and from the components we know it will perform.

Cameron

Juicebox
27 July 2009, 12:28
Nice rifle, looks will thought out and from the components we know it will perform.

Cameron

Thank you, it gave me a headache trying to figure out what I wanted. I doubt I'm done with it, its nicely balanced but I think its on the heavy side.

The second AR.

http://i40.tinypic.com/t8234y.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/mtbe6s.jpg

Purpose: A beater/loaner/theme/test rifle

Bushmaster Lower: Approved for work if I ever wanted to use it for work.

Changes to lower: Magpul MIAD; this configuration fits my hand better, but I find it a little harder to move the selector back to safe. Magpul Trigger Guard to eliminate the gap. KNS Anti-rotation pins just because.

CMMG 2 stage trigger: I wanted to see what the hype was about 2 stage triggers, I can say I'm not too impressed. It'll stay in the carbine til I break it.

LMT SOPMOD: The CTR was too light for this particular carbine and made it front heavy. The SOPMOD balanced it out.

Noveske QD Endplate: If I wanted to run a single point sling. QD mount.

CMMG 14.7" M4A1: I wanted an M4 profile barrel. I like the A2 compensator so a 14.7" barrel was necessary to get to 16.1". The heavy barrel was the only option available at the time, I was trying to build this one on a time restraint. I'm not sure if I'm regretting that choice or not. The weapon is still lighter then my other rifle. I wanted to resemble an M4 I carried in Iraq so a fixed FSB was needed. Installed BCM's extractor spring, black extractor insert, and O ring.

Troy Drop in rail: QD sling mounts. I liked how the top and bottom halfs were tighten together by screws unlike the KAC's lower half that wobbled. I've gone to reach for my M4 out of its rack and only have the lower half of the KAC/Surefire in hand... Nothing wrong with KAC products just wanted something different. Inexpensive.

KAC VFG: Thin and lightweight.

KAC Rail covers: Thin and lightweight.

Streamlight TLR-1: Another Deputy sold it to me for cheap. Its enough light and another lightweight option.

Matech BUIS: I like the small peep hole and range elevation. Sticking with the USGI theme. ;)

EOTech 551 w/LaRue riser: Small, lightweight. I like the EOTech Reticle. The battery life however needs improvement. This may be replaced with a Comp ML2. LaRue riser: QD, LaRue quality.

LMT enhanced CH: More to grab.

Vikings Tactic's VTAC: Adjustable Two point.

NHMTG Mags: Magpul Ranger Plates and followers. It works.

Fontaine
3 August 2009, 22:50
http://www.pbase.com/image/115419822.jpg

Civilian shooting enthusiast. I like running rifles at weekly rifle league nights, and have just been introduced to the beauty of a monthly practical rifle match in the Portland area.

The top rifle is my primary fun gun, and I built it with reliability, light weight, and budget in mind. This is probably the 5th or 6th AR i've put together, and I learned that it is true what they say: buy quality once, cry once. I've definitely had my fair share of non-premium parts, and i've noticed i've always just ended up replacing them and losing even more money in the long run.

Upper/Barrel/Bolt Carrier Group: Noveske N4. Taken from a Magpul MOE edition rifle, this upper has had about 6-7K flawless rounds through it, most of it being my 55 gr FMJ reloads. The AAC M4-2K flash hider is welded on, and I appreciate the extra durability this affords. The accuracy and weight of the barrel profile is quite nice. I've never put on a dedicated magnified optic to see its accuracy potential though, nor have I put many precision hand loads through it. I get around 2 MOA with the ammo i feed the rifle, and optic i use with it when sand bagged. Longest distance i've fire it has been 250 yards at the June Practical Rifle match in the Portland area.

Lower: Standard CMMG. A lower is a lower is a lower in my book

FCG: Geiselle SSA. Durability and quality of trigger pull makes this trigger a real winner. It's even better I scored it for the original asking price of $145 before the price was increased to account for materials and QC costs.

Grip: Magpul MIAD. Feels great man

Stock: CTR. Very light and solid feeling.

Optic: Aimpoint T-1 with Larue mount. Great optic and mount straight from the Aimpoint factory. Bought this combo to replace a Aimpoint M4 which I found to be over built and too heavy for my tastes.

Sling: I alternate between the padded VTAC and Vickers sling. My slender body build makes it so 2 point slings don't really hinder me when switching shoulders ala Magpul Dynamics

Light: Surefire G2 with TNVC drop in high intensity bulb, mounted on VTAC mount. Added a surefire red lens filter to bring down light intensity. A very light weight combo that throws light well with decent battery life. I strongly prefer push button activation to handgun light rocker switches. The red lens filters lets me use the light as a "normal" light. The lens is easy to flip away to access the full 265 lumens though.

Rail: Omega Rail with standard TD shorty VFG, and magpul XT rails. XT rails are light and easy to customize with razor blades and dremels. The Omega rail is free floating, and was chosen so I didn't have to cut away the pinned AAC flash hider... but I would have strongly preferred a LITE rail if I didn't want to burn $200. The standard VFG is chosen over the QD version because its lighter, and I don't really see a need for QD. Installation was easy personally... just set the rifle down and use both hands to hold down locking tabs when sliding the VFG in place.


The only problems i've had so far with this rifle is 3 short strokes. I run a Sprinco "super duty" buffer spring as recommended by Mike Pannone, and used a H2 buffer because I thought more is better. My reloads are 24.5 gr of AA2230 behind a 55 gr FMJ-BT, and are closer to the lower end of the power spectrum for increased life of brass and overall safety.

I've suffered only 3 short strokes out of nearly 6K rounds, 4K of which were reloads, but decided to go with a H buffer instead, and found that there was no perceptible change in felt recoil. Hopefully, reliability will increase as well.

m24shooter
11 August 2009, 20:19
This is the starting point of my current project.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1373.jpg

This is going to be my first midlength. Here's what's in it now:
LRB Rainier group buy lower
BCM 16" barreled upper
BCM bolt carrier group
M68 in Railgrabber
CCH rear sight
CTR
TD Battlegrip
Standard handguards

Here's what I'm looking at:
MIAD
ACS
Trigger upgrade
DD Lite or M4
DD low pro gas block
Burris XTR 1-4x30
ADM mount
Magpul MBUS

Here it is currently:
A few more changes-

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1417.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1419.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a391/m24shooter/100_1421.jpg

JustMatt
2 September 2009, 06:14
Nrthwstrn, Did you ever finish your build with the Adams Arms kit? I finished my build using there mid lenght system a few months back and kind of forgot to post it on here. I'll get some photos and put something together tonight. The parts you decided on sound alot like mine.

JustMatt
6 September 2009, 16:47
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x148/mjs876/AdamsArmsbuild.jpg
This is my first but definitely not my last AR build. I wanted to go with high end parts and didn't cut any corners for cost sake. I started with a SLR15 lower and a Stag lower parts kit. I used a Daniel Defense Lite Rail and a Vltor MUR upper (thanks to Noveske for hooking me up with that). From there I was able to get a MagPul UBR after a little wait time. I talked to the guys at Adams Arms at the SHOT show and decided to use there mid length piston kit for this build. I already have a LWRC M6A2 and wanted to continue the piston theme into this build. Besides, Adams Arms is homebased only 15 minutes from me and they appeared to have a great product and offered to assist me with the build (update-they do have a great product and they were great in helping me with the build.) I was able to pick up a Melonite'd 18" barrel (I cant' tell you what kind cause I don't know. I was promised that it was top shelf by the people I got it from but they said it was kinda hush hush) and put a PWS FSC556 on it. And I matched the Adams Arms one piece Melonite carrier with a LMT Enhanced bolt. It all went together smooth and I am pleased to say that it went bang the first time and every time since. I recently completed a Acton Rifle match and 50% of the guns in my group malfunctioned at least once. But my frankengun functioned flawlessly. And I had little problem ringing steel plates at 200m using a Aimpoint M4s. Not bad for zeroing on a 50 yard range a few weeks before. I will hopefully get some better pictures up soon.

Prophet911
10 September 2009, 01:45
This is my DPMS AR-15.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/Prophet118/Pics4-24-09217.jpg

I started with a no frills DPMS AP4. I then added: CAA G27 pistol grip (I had a CETME and I was used to the feel), YHM Phantom flash suppressor and flip up rear BUIS (heard they were good products).

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/Prophet118/mydpms4.jpg

Later I added: Magpul CTR stock (heard it was solid and I liked the look), YHM scope riser ( I was pleased with the other YHM stuff), Barska 3-9x42mm Illuminated Reticle scope (didn't have much money to spend), UTG RIS and Ergo foregrip( again, money issue), MI Quick detach front and rear sling swivel ( heard MI made heavy duty stuff), and a Badger Tactical Latch ( I didn't like the original, seemed awkward).

Since the new pic I've gotten a PMag and I just ordered a MOE pistol grip.
I'd like to make it a rifle length in the future and add a flip up front sight either on the rail on on a gas block; still undecided.

Ryo
10 September 2009, 02:01
This is my DPMS AR-15.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/Prophet118/Pics4-24-09217.jpg

Explanation on your layout choice?

magpul_556
10 September 2009, 12:01
This my 1st build .I finished it this week after a few months of building.Told everyone i spend my graduation money on college,guess not. Let me know what you think. Any future parts ideas? Upgrades?


Barrel: Noveske 16.1 in Stainless- Best barrel made, Long life, Stainless

Flash Hider: AAC SPR Black Out Miter Mount- Liked that it gave the illusion of a shorter barrel because it overlaps a couple inches.

Railed Forearm: Daniel Defense 12" LITE Rail- Love the bolt up system, and light weight, trying to make up for that heavy barrel

Upper Reciever: Black Rain Ordnance Stripped Upper- new company, but has really nice sharp edges, comparable to a MUR

Bolt Carrier Group: Spikes tactical

Sights: Magpul MBUS- mostly price, but also look good, and magpul polymer is ausome

Charging Handle: VLTOR/BCM Gunfighter- looks great, and very functional, saves on broken pins

Lower Reciever: POF Gen 1 Billet- billet, not integral trigger gaurd, flared magwell

LPK: Armalite- loved the trigger,high quality

Stock: Magpul UBR- weights a ton but, seems like a good combo of the emod and the ctr, good storage

Pistol Grip: Magpul MIAD- felt good, liked storage

Trigger Gaurd: Magpul MOE

Sling: Magpul MS2 FDE

Mags: All PMAGS

S391
22 September 2009, 16:47
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I built this Retro’ish carbine last year utilizing mostly 'used' parts along with a newly released Olympic Arms barrel and bolt in the .221R / 5.54x39mm chambering … the build pretty much came together in one afternoon; other than the final process of pinning and welding of the 5.5in flashhider [:)]



That thing is just plain slick!

HERRON223
24 September 2009, 11:48
Sorry for the extra stuff in Pic but i'm at work and this is all i got ..lol..but here is a brief rundown

Purpose: it was my first build (range weapon , home defense) working on # 2 now

EA Shaw 16inch Stainless Bull barrel 1-9 twist ( Got it from a Friend for Cheap planning on switching entire upper for something lighter and use this barrel for a SPR sniper build )

A.R.M.S S.I.R Rail #50 system ( Mil Version) - ( Came with upper and barrel but its rock solid )

Primary ArmsM4 red dot ( It was affordable and I have read nothing but good things about their products, on a personal note I have grown to love this red dot super rugged and has NEVER lost zero )

Magpul M.I.A.D grip and trigger guard ( it offers adaptability for future configurations )

Tapco vertical fore grip ( I really only use this as a reference point and storage but it is rock solid no problems thus far )

Voltor Mod Stock & FDE Butt pad

Redi-Mag

Phase5Tactical EBRv2 (extended Bolt release) I have this and the Magpul B.A.D....I just like this unit better

Magpul ASAP sling plate & MS2 sling

(Internals)

RRA LPK

A "Bill Springfield" 3lb trigger job ( single stage)

Failzero BCG w/ Bravo Co Firing Pin

Spikes ST-T2 Buffer ( this thing is nice )

Sidearm is a Ruger p89 w/20 round clip

Chest rig : Voodoo Tactical

Magpul P Mags






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Quib
10 October 2009, 07:07
I’ve owned weapons with quad-rails, Aimpoints, EOTechs, various BUIS’s, ect, ect. Being old school…having served in the military before those types of accessories were even standard issue, I have to fall back on what I was originally trained on, and quite simply feel more comfortable operating. And that would be a basic carbine.

I feel for HD.... my needs, this weapon is perfect.

Weapon consists of:

- DPMS 16” Chrome-lined barrel with A1 FH.
- Bushmaster A1/C7 upper receiver.
- Rock River Arms lower receiver.
- CAR hand guards with attached Weaver rail section.
- Streamlight TLR-1 with Red Filter.
- Midwest Ind. Side Sling Swivel
- GI two-point sling.

http://quib.weaponevolution.com/WEVOCarbine.png

rob_s
11 October 2009, 05:09
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/DSC_3832.jpg

Colt 6933s seem to be cropping up more and more. These are hands-down the best of the best in my opinion. .625" diameter, 11.5" barrel, flattop upper with the correct front sight base. They ship with double-shield M4 handguards and a detachable carry handle, M4 stock, and A2 grip. I was lucky enough to find two back when they cost no more than a 6920 plus tax stamp. Some of you may recall my suppressed 6933 that people were so outraged had no sling or iron sights.

The first thing that has to go is the A2 grip. Yes you can install a gapper or a foam plug but that does nothing to address the obnoxious finger groove, which is the real problem with the stock grip. The stock is more than serviceable, but I like having a low-profile rubber pad. The double-shield handguards are good, but they are fat and if you want to attach anything to them it can be problematic or require drilling, and the handguard cap gets damn hot.

I elected to go with Magpul MOE furniture all around. Good guy pricing through Brownells is $17 for the grip, $48 for the stock (which comes integral with a rubber buttpad for slippage), and $25 for the handguard (which feels more like a FALK and covers the handguard cap in front). They sell a triggerguard for $7 too but I am using one of their metal triggerguards that I had left over from something else. If you're wondering about the colors, I use them to differntiate my rifles from each other at a glance in the safe. Black also gets hot in the sun. I have a green handguard to put on as soon as I'm done prototyping my sling and mount (more on that below). If I were doing it again I might do tan instead due to the heat issue.

Primary sighting is through an Aimpoint T-1 that currently sits in a Larue tall mount, but since I have little to no need to quick detach it I'll be swapping that for a Daniel Defense which is lighter and matches the rear sight which recently replaced a Larue as well for the same reasons. I prefer to use a higher optic mount and run fixed iron sights that I can see through the bottom of the optic if I need to for whatever reason. Commonly referred to at "lower 1/3 cowitness".

The sling is a Blue Force Gear Vickers Combat Applications Sling that I modified with a few parts to act like a much better version of the Magpul MS-2 to remedy most of the shortcomings of that product. It is easily capable of switching between a single- or a two-point sling depending on the need simply by moving the snap hook from the ring at the rear of the webbing to the ring on the forend. The rear attachment point is a Daniel Defense Rear Receiver QD Swivel Attachment Point that replaces the receiver endplate and accepts the QD sling swivel. The front attachment is a dremeled-down Mesa Tactical Adapter Mount Hook Loop. I cut a slot in the handguard and drilled a hole further to the rear, and attached it through the back of the handguard, which also required cutting down the heat shield inside. None of which was anywhere near as difficult as it sounds.

The light is a Surefire X300 which mounts to a Midwest Industries MCTAR-04 on the front sight base. No, the mount does not come loose and with the way the screw is captured by the light itself if it ever were to back out with the light on it it can't be lost. Yes, the light "only" puts out 110 lumens and is designed as a pistol light, but this is an SBR not a long-range precision gun (even though it can easily hit out to 200 yards with a red dot sight).

The charging handle is a BCM Mod4 that Paul was nice enough to send me to try out. I absolutely love this CH and the only thing I'll be changing about it is to add some RTV for those rare times this gun takes a can (that's an Ops, Inc' 15th mount on the barrel).

Finally is the Magpul BAD Lever, which allows the shooter to operate the bolt catch with the trigger finger. Is it necessary? No. So right there it fails the test for a lot of shooters self-imposed restrictions. However it is very nice to have for administrative purposes and it does certainly shave time off of an emergency reload if you like that sort of thing or have the need. No, it does not require your finger to extend into the triggerguard to operate it.

The gun, without sling or light, is 6.5 lbs. Even with the light it is still under 7, and with the sling it is just over 7. This gives you a carbine that is every bit as capable as any full-railed, latest and greatest, billy badass gun. I have used this in matches and classes in one guise or another for several years, and used it in Randy Cain's Carbine class with an older Aimpoint to ring the 8" steel at 200 yards with XM193 (a feat the internet tells me is impossible, but there you go). I used it in Bill Jeans' carbine a few weeks ago almost exactly as it sits in these pictures and the complete setup ran fantastically, even with Wolf ammo.

This is what works for me as a non-LEO civilian hobby shooter that attends 2-4 training classes a year and runs and shoots in local monthly carbine matches and drills nights. I typically go through approximately 4k rounds a year +/- depending on number of classes attended. While I hate the term "general purpose rifle" because it usually means people don't know what they really want, this carbine really has achieved that through no set intention. I just find that when it comes time to reach in the safe and take a carbine out, the green one is the one that I grab most often. Yes, I lose some ballistic effectiveness using the short barrel, but with good ammo (I like Black Hills 75 grain) it is more than capable of having the desired effect at any range I'm likely to be able to defend in court.

This is the AR I didn't know I was looking for when I assembled my first one from a Bushmaster complete upper and lower in the midst of the ban 10+ years ago.


Parts list:

Aimpoint T-1 (http://www.aimpoint.com/products/aimpoint_product_lines/aimpoint_micro_t-1)
Larue LT660 Mount (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=150)
Daniel Defense A1.5 rear sight (http://www.danieldefense.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=146)

Magpul MOE handguard (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=81&products_id=303)
Magpul MOE pistol grip (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78_125&products_id=286)
Magpul MOE stock (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=70_124)

Blue Force Gear Vickers Combat Applications Sling (http://www.blueforcegear.com/product.cfm?type=cat&cat_id=5&prod_id=112)
Mesa Tactical Adapter Mount Hook Loop (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=164668)
Daniel Defense Rear Receiver QD Swivel Attachment Point (http://www.aimpoint.com/products/aimpoint_product_lines/aimpoint_micro_t-1)

Surefire X300 (http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main.pl?pgm=co_disp&func=displ&strfnbr=6&prrfnbr=24462&sesent=0,0&search_id=1669287)
Midwest Industries MCTAR-04 (http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=94)

Magpul B.A.D. (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=81&products_id=362)
BCM MOD4 Charging Handle (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-GUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-4-p/bcm%20gfh%20mod%204.htm)



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Quib
11 October 2009, 05:53
Rob, that is an interesting fwd sling attach point you have there. It's giving me ideas..........[:D]

tac40
15 October 2009, 19:16
Colt 6920 16" bbl. DD 12" inch rail, Bobro Aimpoint mount and VFG, Magpul backplate, sling & MBUS, crane stock, & Surefire X300 light. (Worked related block cover to going inside.) The Colt BCG has been enhanced for reliability with BCM parts. This Colt rocks and shoots well.


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Kahlendrrari
19 October 2009, 17:56
Buy once, cry once. that pretty much sums it up for me. I kinda messed up with my bolt gun and I'm not gonna do that again.
If it means not getting a new "TOY" evey couple of years, then so be it. It will give me the opprtunity to
get more familiar with the ones I have first.I did my homework and
the Noveske offered everything I wanted: high quality.

Noveske N4 lower with stag LPK
Magpul MIAD
Magpul UBR
EOTech 557
Noveske N4 light 14.5" Cold Hammer Forged Barrel, 1 in 7" twist, 5.56mm
--Made of Mil Spec M249 Machine Gun barrel steel, with heavy M249 Chrome Lining
--Extended Feed Ramps
--Mil Spec Phosphate finish
--MP HP tested barrel
--Carbine length gas system
--Forged charging handle
--Shot peened and MP tested bolt
--Auto carrier group with properly staked carrier key
--Forged Vltor MUR upper receiver featuring an anti-rotation interface with the handguard
--9" SWS railed handguard
--Low-profile gas block pinned to barrel
--Flip-up front and rear sights


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/kahlendrrari/P9170737.jpg
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beavo451
18 November 2009, 13:34
I'll play... Duty rifle
I like high quality, good value, and cheap (although I don't mind paying for quality). I also like having my stuff be aesthetically pleasing. [:D]

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1p95TE_GGXLtAvCqrHDDZiDNCXhxQYQj6UyawmgMVe_jS55iu gj0v59OJvQkyGOUJFgp7kimukWc_SipFsF5hsmw/DSC_3006.jpg

Base Rifle: Colt 6920
Great rifle with all the "right" things out of the box. Also required to be Colt or RRA by policy. I use Magpul windowed PMags with Ranger plates.

Suppressor: Surefire FA556AR
I wanted a reflex style can and I found the SF model to be the best combo of aesthetics, length, weigh, and of course sound suppression. Not used on duty though. :( I needed to use a H2 buffer for the bolt to lock back on the last round when firing suppressed. I'm going to try a 9mm buffer in the future.

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pl_x5q1pU5JOjB9tmuv-RtPLxVMNCLLIZahw0dLpu23474MQKXdABkWVW8We1iXr6hknj0 7YZcjpa8WVfKUWPPg/DSC_4355.jpg

Rail and sights: Daniel Defense 12.0 Lite FSP + PRI Front Sight/Gas Block combo + PRI rear sight
I wanted a long rail for maximum space. Having lots of placement options for support hand and accessories. The main reason for the FSP rail + PRI sight combo is because I bought the rail at a smashing deal and I already had the PRI sight laying around. I like the full circle hood of the front sight. I bought a PRI rear sight so the front and rear would "match". [:D]

Rail accessories: Surefire M600C + XT07, LaRue FUG
Excellent weapon light. I put it in a Surefire M76 offset mount so that it is close to the rail and more "over" the barrel to minimize shadow. Tapeswitch on top rail allows for ambi activation as well as preventing accidental activations. I ziptied the cable to the rail covers to minimize the possibility of snagging. I'm thinking of adding a X300 to the 12 o'clock position as a backup light since I am using a tapeswitch. I like the way the FUG feels and even though I use the "reference point" hold, I changed the end plate to the medium plate to hold 2 spare batteries for the weaponlight.

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pzsyirQNHY9cLaGkwbKebZaWRl296nqsgLIusmDXsVBhfnmH o7qOJBi7Rkmf1vrijqodxbzefmYkwBbeuUoJQHw/DSC_2855.jpg

Optic: Aimpoint T-1 in a LaRue LT660HK
Featherweight optic. I leave it on setting "10" all the time. I found that this setting is bright enough to see during the day. In low-light, it blooms like crazy, but when I turn on my weaponlight, it goes back to normal. At any lower setting, the weaponlight would wash out the dot. I chose the HK height mount because it was the closest to an absolute co-witness that LT offered.

Sling and mounts: Gear Sector GS-2P + Daniel Defense Rear QD + Gear Sector GS-3040
Jason gives LE discounts. :P The rear QD mount allows for transitioning shoulders easily. The Gear Sector front mount is extremely low-profile and does not interfere with my support hand. The sling mounts are at the front and rear of the receiver for a good combo of freedom of weapon manipulation and stability while slung.

http://i769.photobucket.com/albums/xx332/beavo451/AR15/Gear%20Sector/DSC_3439.jpg

Other stuff: Magpul CTR, Magpul MIAD, Magpul BAD, Blue Force Gear Redi-Mod, PRI M84 GasBuster
I use the no hump frontstrap and smallest backstrap on my MIADs. I store a small bottle of Machinegunners Lube, a pair of foam earplugs, and a spare Aimpoint battery in the grip. Once again, I got a smashing deal for the Redi-Mod. It gives me peace of mind knowing that I have a spare mag available when I deploy the rifle. Since I use ranger plates, I can rip a magazine out of the rifle with the second mag in place. The BAD is a natural extension when using a Redi-Mod and it makes weapon manipulation much easier in general. Both the BAD and Redi-Mod needed some filing to work reliably (both were fighting for the same space in the trigger guard area. The GasBuster busts gas. [BD] The larger handle also makes weapon manipulation easier.

http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pRzpwQoHLPZYSEMdYAMTbgFZjFE0iBktTuKwBGU3au3-fXkeBPtaEfFCIxHrZpPQWVD-WFS1DHpUKfNUk2AjS9Q/DSC_4200.jpg

Raven_Thunder
27 November 2009, 18:22
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f370/raventhunder/P5290351.jpg

I try to keep my rifle basic for the most part. I am still experimenting on what my ideal setup is. I notice I always go back to a "clean" hand guard. I've put lights, lasers and VFGs on this rifle before but I always end up taking them off. I do enjoy my Redi-Mag a lot but I may DIY it to a Redi-Mod down the road.

It's a constant give and take. I have a few accessories to experiment with when I get back home. Expect an updated post soon.

lmtrocks
30 November 2009, 08:06
This is a great thread.
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/PB300001.jpg
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/PB300002.jpg

I hope my photos did not ruin it...

My AA 6.5G upper was purchased earlier this year for $595 complete. No shots fired thru it by the previous owner. I also put a Badger Tac Latch on the CH. It attached to my Essential Arms "Dragon" Lower with zero fuss. I wanted it on my Essential because I did some trigger polishing on it. Not a 3lb JP or Timney or CMC, but a little better than factory. It will likely never be deployed as a HD weapon as I enjoy it on a bench.

The upper is a 19.5" Hunter with a rifle length gas system. In the future it may be replaced with a lo-profile gas block as I will never put a sight on a gas block.

The SOPMOD stock is supremely comfortable to shoot from. As Stick mentioned at the beginning, great cheek welds and battery storage. I can fall asleep on this stock :) I have no batteries in this one, but in one of the tubes I have a printout of ballistic information for the Grendel 19.5---so, I can make adjustments in the field if necessary. Right now, this gun is for game, not 2 leggeds.

My girlfriend surprised me about a month ago with the Leupold Rifleman 4-12x40 scope. I found a 1pc mount at a store for what I feel is a reasonable $25. I know it's not a Larue or ADM, and I will have a one, but right now it serves purpose well. I forward mounted it to allow for proper eye relief, only because I have the additional rail space provided by the Troy MRF-R. Some people think I need a riser on it. In my experience the height is just fine for me. Benched or prone I have a great time shooting this expensively fed animal...

The pistol grip is an Ergo. I think most of you can tell this is fashioned nearly identically to an LMT SOPMOD lower. Well, since my first AR is my LMT SOPMOD Standard 5.56 I found it to perform extremely well, and fell in love with the stock and pistol grip. Unfortunately the gun as we know it is no longer---
It has been stripped down and the 5.56 barrel, bolt, gas tube, block, FH and pins were sold recently. The upper, lower and CH are down in Alabama getting cerakoted. I have yet to find the 6.8 barrel that will be going on this weapon, but I am ready to get that build started.......

GutWrench
11 December 2009, 16:54
LMT
Bought as complete rifle direct from LMT back in 2005.

CQB - MRP 16" chrome lined barrel
Standard collapsible stock, TD grip
Larue/POF Iron sight combo. (Dept. only allows irons)
Vickers sling
Custom scout type light.

Great shooting little gun. Best AR investment I have made. Someday I hope to go SBR with her. Here are a couple pics.

http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx186/GutWrench/Gun%20Stuff/LMT-MRP_0002.jpg
http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx186/GutWrench/Gun%20Stuff/LMT-MRP_0001.jpg

aceat64
12 December 2009, 19:04
Ok, I tried taking a picture but all I had was my phone. So until my gf gets back in town to take a picture, you'll just have to settle for text.

Colt LE6920
Magpul CTR
Magpul MIAD (F4 front and B2 back)
Magpul B.A.D.
Magpul MOE Handguard
Magpul MBUS Rear
Magpul ASAP - Sling attachment plate
Magpul MS2 - Sling
Magpul Enhanced Butt-pad
Magpul PMAGs (MagLevels)

Yup, this is basically a shrine to Magpul, I realize and accept that. This is my first AR, in fact, it's my first rifle and my 2nd firearm. I wanted to get a quality AR-15 and wasn't sure I could build one myself. After a bit of research I decided on the Colt LE6920 and 10 PMags.

My primary goal with this AR has been to keep it light and simple. The only other things I plan on getting are an Eotech, an AFG and maybe a flashlight. No quad-rails, no laser, no bi-pod, etc. I'm just a Linux admin, so I don't depend on this gun everyday. That's why I like the MS2, normally I keep it set as a two-point sling so if need be I can grab my AR, put it on my back and go. If the need ever arose (riots, zombie apocalypse, British collecting back taxes, etc), I could switch it over to single-point.

I'm tempted to remove the front sight and put on a railed gas block so I can use the MBUS front sight that I bought with the rear. I also need to stake the castle nut, but I'm not confident that I can stake it properly or that I've even put the plate in right. So for now it's in what I consider an unacceptable state because I'm a perfectionist.

Quib
12 December 2009, 19:10
I'll play... Duty rifle
I like high quality, good value, and cheap (although I don't mind paying for quality). I also like having my stuff be aesthetically pleasing. [:D]


Nice pics Beavo......I like the addition of the "slippage marks" on your accessory hardware. I’ve done the same in the past with a black paint pen.

Cameron
12 January 2010, 21:17
Since originally posting in this thread I just added a Magpul AFG and BAD

I am very impressed that Magpul keeps produces such well thought out and effective quality products.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/4294231466_05b5d7afd0.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4294254398_ae78235923.jpg

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Sir Zach of R.
13 January 2010, 20:45
Hey all first post here at WE.com, I won't pollute the board with my bio. You guys can check my profile for that, anyways here's two builds from my post-deployment Christmas leave. I made a few changes after taking this photo, but nothing too drastic.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/6668/img0431i.th.jpg (http://img62.imageshack.us/i/img0431i.jpg/)

1st rifle: SBR. I built this as my first truly custom project built from the ground up. I'd never installed an LPK in an AR lower before and wasn't even sure if I could do it. 7 pages of internet instructions later and the biggest hurdle conquered the rest was all down hill. My inspiration for this project was a full tactical rifle with practical application and the ability to actively modify (Eotech x3 magnifier), relatively light weight, and be aesthetically pleasing to the eye and ear (at least to the shooters on my left and right.)

TM15 lower
DPMS LPK
MIAD
CTR
BAD Lever
CMT bolt group
Badger Ord. charging handle
VLTOR MUR
Noveske 12.5" Crusader bbl w/ VLTOR LPGB
Noveske pig
Troy flip ups
Troy MRF-MX
Magpul ASAP
VTAC Lula
Bobro VFG
VTAC light mount
Surefire G2
Eotech 551

2nd rifle:

This was a bit of a revamp of a previous rifle I'd customized. It was originally a stock HSA-15 Carbine. I retained the lower/upper and barrel, everything else was basically added from there. The idea for this one is an intermediate length rifle I can use for medium range targets, and varmint hunting. It's surprisingly light considering barrel length and the rail platform I mounted on it.

HSA-15 carbine w/ 16" bbl
Troy midieval flash hider
MIAD
VLTOR clubfoot modstock
Troy flip ups
Brownell's bipod adapter
Harris bipod
Troy 13.8" MRF-RX
Surefire 6 volt weapon light (this actually came from my rifle in Iraq)

Further mods were made after I went to the gun show at the KS Coliseum the weekend of the 2nd-3rd of January. Osprey 2.5-10x40 scope, Larue SPR mount, and I have a Magpul PRS sitting in my parts box waiting to be installed. Eventually I'd like to fit a Noveske SPR barrel to it but that's another paycheck.

Again it's good to be here, hopefully I'll be able to share more projects here in the future.

~Rob

Stickman
13 January 2010, 21:01
Nice setups, is there a reason you went with those parts, or built up that configuration?

Welcome to the board.

Sir Zach of R.
13 January 2010, 22:26
As far as the SBR goes, I went with a 12.5" bbl because it was a good intermediate length between 10.5" (which is too short imo) and 14.5".

I used an Aimpoint throughout my deployment and realized I couldn't keep both eyes open when shooting. It might just be my eyes but reflexive shooting feels more comfortable with an Eotech.

I've fed Hornady 77gr TAP ammo through it before with good results. It was kind of a crap shoot whether or not it'd be able to perform at longer ranges, considering I'd never worked with anything below 14.5", but I was able to wring out a 3/4" group at a hundred yards from a bench rest.

In the end if need be, I think I've built a decent self defense rifle.

Chewiee108
16 January 2010, 13:38
Hey guys, here are the specs and picture of my rifle.

Noveske 16.1" Recce low profile upper
Noveske Lower with geissele ssa trigger
Troy Flip up sights
Aimpoint Comp M4S Optic
Magpul MIAD grip
Troy VFG
Magpul AFG (testing it out atm)
Viking Tactics L4 Light with mount
Magpul MS2 Sling
Magpul ACS stock (love it)

http://i780.photobucket.com/albums/yy82/Chewiee108/rifle1.jpg

Quib
16 January 2010, 13:40
Pic is not showing.......:confused:

Chewiee108
16 January 2010, 13:52
Pic is not showing.......:confused:
Hopefully it's working now. I chose this setup because I wanted an excellent all around rifle. I went with the ACS stock because of cheek placement and performance. The MIAD grips in my mind are a must simply because you can customize it to suite you. The Troy VFG is awesome simply because I'm not a fan of plastic and i like the water proof chamber it has. I went with the COMP M4S due to its battery life, durability and performance. The Magpul MS2 Sling is an awesome sling in my opinion.

Quib
16 January 2010, 14:11
Good to go now...pic is up!

Welcome to WEVO. [:)]

Globemaster
16 January 2010, 16:08
I’ve thoroughly convinced myself that I’m going to hunt with my 6.8SPC this coming 2010 Deer Season [:D]

68spc.FAQ (http://demigodllc.com/~zak/firearms/6.8SPC/faq.php)

my Olympic Arms™ 6.8SPC® [:D]

Upper: Olympic Arms® A3
Charging Handel: Olympic Arms®
BCG: Olympic Arms®
Barrel: Olympic Arms™ 16in. M4 contour.
Front sight: YHM® Model 9394™
Chambering: 6.8SPC
Bore: SS Button cut, long-life non-chromed.
Twist rate: 1:10
Muzzle: A2 flash suppressor.
Handguard: Hogue® Free Float w/ OverMold™
BUIS: Rear YHM® Model 9680™
Scope Mount: Model 1 Sales®
Optics: 6.5-20x50mm Simmons® Whitetail Classic™

Lower: Mega Machine Shop™ Gator®
LPK: DPMS®
Trigger Guard: Magpul® Winter™
Stock: Magpul® CTR™
Buffer: Olympic Arms®.
Buffer Spring: David Tubb’s® CS Flat Wire™
Grip: CAA® G27™
Magazine: C/Products® 6.8SPC™ (20 round).

Sling: Homemade® by GM™

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/DSCN1595.jpg


http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/DSCN1594.jpg



I recently changed out the CTR™ for an ACS™ because of the longer L.O.P.

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/DSCN1809.jpg


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Globemaster
16 January 2010, 16:24
my Olympic Arms™ 5.56 Pistol [:)]

Upper: used DPMS® A3
Charging Handel: used DPMS®
BCG: used RRA®
Barrel: Olympic Arms™ 11.5in
Front sight: Elevation adjustable post, w/ bayonet lug
Chambering: 5.56 NATO
Bore: Button cut w/ Durachrome® lining.
Twist rate: 1:7
Muzzle: Noveske® KX3™
Handguard: Magpul® M.O.E. ™
BUIS: Rear Magpul® MBUS™
Optics: Barska® 50mm Red-Dot Scope

Lower: blemished Olympic Arms™
LPK: Oly-Arms™
Stock: used RRA® buffer tube
Buffer: used Enidine® Hydraulic Buffer
Grip: Stark® SE-1™
End Plate: CQD® ambidextrous sling mount.
Sling: single-point / Homemade® by GM™

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/globemaster_oly/DSCN9574.jpg



I recently picked up a ‘lightly used’ AR15 pistol grip the other day; "the Stark® SE-1™" and IMO, the grip is an ascetically attractive (pretty cool looking) ergonomically designed, and quite a comfortable grip at that, and unlike the other aftermarket grips that I have used; i.e. Hogue® OM™, Magpul® MAID™, CAA® G27™ and as you can see from the images below, when this Stark® SE-1™ grip mounts, it fully covers the aft trigger guard ears of the lower receiver when installed.

The grip originally comes fitted with a slotted screw fastener for locking down the incorporated trigger guard; so beings that I dislike slotted screws, I quickly headed over to the local hardware store, ‘Tacoma Screw Products, Inc’ and picked up an allen-wrench replacement fastener; as this is a much cleaner, and much more secure mounting fastener.

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/DSCN1612.jpg


http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/DSCN1636.jpg


http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/AR15_Oly1/DSCN1638.jpg

knguye11
25 January 2010, 18:14
This is my one and only AR. This rifle came about for couple of reason. One, is for range practice and two, training courses. The origin was consists of 14.5" LMT upper with 7" Larue hand-guard. Lower is LMT Defender 2000 with LEO marking. This was an AR project build so the lower came stripped, but upper came complete.

Upper - Recently I have acquired a new LMT 16" piston upper. The reason I chose this piston upper b/c of its new technology for AR. Also, because of the MRP, this allows me to mount more than one optics. This piston upper will allow me to shoot more rounds with less cleaning time. This piston system has only one gas setting, this means I don't have to mess with more or less gas regulations. Whereas other systems have more settings to mess with. Finally, not only the MRP looks great, but also will match up with my lower perfectly.

Lower - Lower is LMT Defender2000 with LMT 2-stage trigger group. I picked with this lower since it was only one available at the time of purchase. Also, LMT is a reputable brand among ARs.

Flash Hider - On the front, the Vortex Smith is the flash hider. This is my choice b/c it reduces flash almost 100%, and the looks match up great to the rifle overall.

Front/Rear Sights - Troy is what I picked. Both front and rear sights low profile allow the sights sit nicely on the rail when folded. Also, I love the adjustment knobs integrated within the sight. No knob hanging out.

Light - I had Surefire 900A/Larue mounted on the weapon. Although this might be bright and easy to handle, but the weight is not ideal for holding in the shooting position for along time. I recently swapped this light out with M951X07.

Optics - Both optics are Aimpoint. Front is the red dot model Comp4Ms 2MOA, and rear is magnifier 3X. Both sit on Larue mounts. Reason for Aimpoint is that not only the battery life is amazing, but also the idea of match up with magnifier as a combo nicely.

Mounts - Larue is the mount of choice because these mounts works great. They secure tight and easy to make adjustment. No to mention they are 100% customer service oriented.

Grip - Magpul is the choice. I have used number of different brands, but the style and size of Magpul seem to fit better on my hand.

Stock - I picked Magpul ACS. I opt-out LMT SOPMOD and pick ACS because this allows me to store more batteries and other accessories. Also, my chick sits on ACS higher.

Trigger - Originally it has a LMT 2-stage trigger which works great. Recently switch out to Geissele SSA. This trigger is amazing. Solid trigger set, no play and trigger pull is smooth.

Sling - VTAC sling is my choice. This allows me to make adjustment much quicker than other system. The padded is easy on the shoulder. I had made adjustment to my liking with jumper cord borrowed from other slings.

QD Single Sling - Daniel Defense is my pick because it sits close to the lower and replace the original end plate. Also, allows me to use push quick release button. This let me attach/detach as quickly as possible.

Before:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_4717/web.jpg

After:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5422/web.jpg

VTAC Padded Sling on DD single mount:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5421/web.jpg

Surefire M951 with Bugout Gear LED Cree R2 Drop-In Module:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5389/web.jpg

DD single QD sling swivel mount with homemade staking:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5408/web.jpg
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5405/web.jpg

Enhanced Magpul Butt Stock:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5394/web.jpg

Aimpoint:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5411/web.jpg

Magpul Grip with homemade wrap around:
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5393/web.jpg

dlee25
25 January 2010, 21:54
Mine's nothing too fancy. I mated a Stag M4 upper with a Rock River lower. The stock and grip are Magpul MOE. I really like the Magpul Moe stock, and my only gripe is that there is no place to attach a side swivel.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l146/DLEE25_2006/Gun%20stuff/DSC_2470.jpg
I just upgraded the rail to an MI 2 piece free float. I love it. Rock solid and economical. It is a bit chunky, but I don't mind it at all. The gas block was replaced with a Yankee Hill hooded folding sight by the great folks at Del-Ton.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l146/DLEE25_2006/Gun%20stuff/DSC_2471.jpg
The BUIS is Troy and the current optic is a Millett DSM-1 with a LaRue mount. The Millett has a decent 1x -4x magnification and a battery illuminated reticle. Jury's still out with me about this set up. It's nice and solid, but the battery life is poor. Plus the optic is heavy, the scope and mount add neary 2 lbs to the rifle.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l146/DLEE25_2006/Gun%20stuff/DSC_2473.jpg

Dos Cylindros
29 January 2010, 14:29
The subject of this post is my personally owned carbine. I also have a Dept. issued carbine which is a Colt M-4 with quite a few more additions than I would prefer. My personal gun is set up to be a bit more simple.

http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/4N20/IMGP0569.jpg

I originally bought this during the ban, with a letter from the chief of the depatment I was working for at the time with the intent of using it as my patrol rifle. I bought a Bushmaster long before resources such as this and other sites were really available. That being said, the bushy in it's original configuration served me well. I then attended several carbine courses, includng an instructors course and found several good educational sites on the net and learned my bushy had some less than desirable features. I decided to upgrade my carbine. The department I work for now will not give letters, so under California law I am stuck with the Bushmaster lower (not that it's really a big deal. So after some research I set about upgrading this carbine to be used in the home protection role.

Lower: Bushmaster with mil spec receiver tube and H buffer.

Upper: Colt M-4 with 14.5" Colt M-4 1/7 twist barrel pinned to 16" with a YHM break wich is verry loud, but does a great job of eliminating what little recoil is there. The upper also houses a BCM bolt carrier group.

Optic: Aimpoint Comp M4 on Aimpoint QRP mount. I love this optic for it's durability, battery life and use of the AA battery. BUIS is a GG&G MAD which is the same as on my Dept. issue gun and I like it's same plane design.

Light: Sure Fire X200 (which will be changed out for an X300 at some point) mounted to a Midwest Industries front sight base mount.

Furniture: Magpul ACS stock, mainly for the cheek weld and secondly for the battery storage. Tango Down battle grip because I like the storage compartment better than the Magpul MAID or MOE. MOE hand gaurd, as it is tough, light and looks good. I don't need a rail on my HD gun (don't really need one on my work gun either for that matter but it's there). And a Magpul ASAP plate with MS2 sling. The only other things I plan to add are a front attachment point of some kind for the MS2 sling and I might change out the QRP mount for a Larue.

Mags: Pmag's for home deffense and I have a mix of USGI and US made thermold that I beat on at the range.

How do you guys think I did in "upgrading" my Bushmaster to a reliable hard use carbine?

missiontrails
29 January 2010, 18:49
Just a LWRC M6A3 with a few minor changes, and some additions yet to be determined. Removed the MIAD grip, and replaced it with a HK416 grip- by far the best feeling grip I have wrapped my right hand around. Removed the LWRC OEM rail panels (I think they were ProMag), and replaced them with the Troy panels- damn comfortable. The EMOD is now gone, and believe it of not, the Choate M4 stock is more solid IMO. The Choate looks a little like a SOPMOD, but is heavier, and has metal in it.

http://members.cox.net/roachcoach1/lwrc1.jpg

Cameron
1 February 2010, 14:39
Daniel Defense Recon Rifle
Daniel Defense complete upper 7" twist LW50 16" barrel 5.56 Wylde chamber
LMT 2 stage lower
Leupold MK4 1.5-5x20mm illuminated SPR
Magpul UBR / MIAD / AFG / BAD / XTM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4322935541_e5ea4f87f3_b.jpg



Colt General Purpose Carbine
Colt HBAR 16" barrel 5.56NATO chamber
LMT 2 stage lower
EOTech 552
Magpul UBR / MOE / AFG / BAD / XTM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2723/4322935205_8f69136dcc_b.jpg



LMT Close Quarter Carbine
LMT complete upper 10.5" barrel 5.56NATO chamber
LMT lower
EOTech XPS
Magpul UBR / MIAD / AFG / BAD / XTM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2639/4323660022_790a228b58_b.jpg

d90king
1 February 2010, 16:34
Very nice as always Cameron. Nicely thought out pair of rifles. Nice work on the stipling on the AFG's. I need to do mine, but have never stipled before...:o

Cameron
1 February 2010, 17:35
I had never stippled anything before either. I just bought a $17 soldering iron at Lowes and gave it a go. I tested it on the unused pieces of a MIAD grip and then started on one. Small light marks close together gave the best feel IMHO.

Cameron

d90king
2 February 2010, 11:25
I had never stippled anything before either. I just bought a $17 soldering iron at Lowes and gave it a go. I tested it on the unused pieces of a MIAD grip and then started on one. Small light marks close together gave the best feel IMHO.

Cameron

Thanks for the tip... It sounds like less, is more...

d90king
2 February 2010, 12:27
My training carbine:
LMT MRP
Troy rear
SOPMOD
BAD
T1 in a LT660
Vickers padded sling
AFG
XT rail covers

I tried to keep it pretty simple on this rifle for training purposes. The BAD is as "hi tech" as I get personally. That said I have found it to be a great piece of kit. The rifle has yet to let me down. I keep it wet and run it hard... The only thing I need to do is replace the screw that holds the front sight on. I also really like the feel, extension and control that the AFG adds...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/d90king/6940_1.jpg


My KISS rifle:

Colt 6940
Matech
Vltor EMOD
MOE grip
TD rail covers
Vickers padded sling
LT Stubby VFG

I use this rifle these days for staying sharp with irons and basic weapon manipulations... The accuracy of this rifle surprises me every time I pull the trigger. I have found it to be a good bit more accurate than my 6920 FWIW.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/d90king/colt6940-1.jpg

chase102798
2 February 2010, 13:26
Nice rifles Cameron. I like how you set them up. Seems like each one is consistent in feel (stock, grip, AFG, panels).

iamjonscranium
2 February 2010, 14:12
I'll play.

I'm in the middle of a new build.

My old was a late A1, 20" HBAR - PWA/Oly. I put an A1 stock on it, Troy rail, Stark SE-1, and cut the barrel down to 17.5". After shooting it a bit and realizing that I could build a better rifle for less than I could sell that one for, I'm selling it in parts to fund a new one (preban).

Lower: Stag

Upper: SI billet upper (given as a replacement for an out of spec forged, I don't believe in billet)

Barrel: ADCO custom Cruiser barrel as soon as they come back in stock, Middy, rifle length sights, 4150 chromoly vandium, 1/8 twist.

Stock: MOE. I don't spend enough time behind it to justify an expensive UBR, but the MOE seems to be of better quality and a cleaner design than the M4 mil stock.

Grip: keeping the Stark. I freaking love this grip. Everything about it is great. The low angle makes it easier to contract the stock and pull the gun in close without twisting your wrist.

Optic: PA Micro. I just wanted a budget optic that was durable enough for home and range use.

Old:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2542/4192124474_0d918bb43a_b.jpg

New.... Forgot about it [crazy]
Since the pictures were taken, I've removed the side rail on the upper. I don't have a use for it.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4333082277_ff16d9118c_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/4333084015_2624121e93_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2710/4333822552_790a9a8c8c_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4333819344_ce56baf699_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4333079327_2378e1fff9_b.jpg

d90king
2 February 2010, 16:36
This rifle is waiting on a AFG and I am putting one of my T1's on it to keep it as light as possible. I initially was going to use it as a variable steel gun, but I have decided to build one using my Colt A2 HBAR as a base instead.... I have decided to use it as a training rifle instead and my goal is to keep it as light as possible.

The AFG helps mitigate the slight front heavy feel of a piston rifle very nicely. With the angle it really allows a very locked in shooting position IMHO.

I really like the one piece BCG on this rifle.

Here is the temp setup:

LWRCI M6 A3 MRE

SOPMOD
CQT in a LT mount
Harris 6-9 in a LT mount
XTM rail panels
MIAD


http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/d90king/DSCN1225.jpg
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/d90king/lwrciM6.jpg
BCG:
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/d90king/DSCN1205.jpg
Piston: You can see the gas adjustment knob at the front.
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/d90king/DSCN1207.jpg

friendlyfireisnt
7 February 2010, 16:00
Okay, I'm a new member here, so I should probably add mine to the mix. I'm not brand new to AR-15's, but I tend to buy one, decide it not what I want, and when I realize that I can't afford what I want, I sell it off, only to return at a later point. To that point, I spent significant amount of time thinking over each individual component, so that I wouldn't have any regrets.

Purpose: Dead nuts reliable, general purpose carbine, with a focus on mid-range capability.

Budget: $1,500 (spent $1,325)

Upper: The only component that I knew 100% from the start I would get, was a BCM 16" mid-length upper. I've had these before, and regretted not having it anymore. Time to correct that.

Lower: The specific make wasn't that critical, as long as it was in spec. I was debating between LMT & BCM, and ended up with a GTS (Denny's). I just wanted everything in spec, and a single-stage trigger.

Bolt Carrier Grouip I had decided on getting the BCM, with the LMT being my second choice. Ended up with the LMT.

Stock I was debating between several ones out there: CTR, E-MOD, ACS, and the standard M4 stock. Ended up with the E-Mod, which seems to balance well on this rifle.

Handguard: Once again, I was debating due to budgetary restrictions on getting a railed forend, or just keeping standard plastic handguards. I ended up with the Omega 9" rail, which so far I am liking very much.

Sights: Initial plan was to get either the Troy flip ups, or the MBUS. Ended up with the MBUS.


As you can see, I only had a few decisions made, and was flip-flopping on others, mainly due to budgetary reasons. Fortunately, that issue was solved when I found on TOS's EE a unfired carbine that not only met my specs, but also forced a few of the decisions for me.

The really good news is that it saved me a bit of cash, so I was able to start considering adding some optics. I already had a Leupold VX-II 3-9x40 with M1 turrets, so I just needed to figure out my mounting choices.

Here's how it started at that point, with the scope I was considering having mounted on top:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4286478400_2edb1617cc_o.jpg

I quickly decided that the VXII was a poor fit for this carbine, so I sold it (and the hunting rifle it was normally mounted on) to help fund my optics.

Optics, Magazines, Sling, Accessories & Ammo

[B]Budget: $1,200

Since I abandoned the earlier idea I had for optics, this was the major decision. I went back and forth between aimpoints and eotechs, but wasn't really happy with either one. I decided on an ACOG in the end, for a few reasons:

1. I have additional tools for home defense, so if the ACOG didn't allow me good close quarter capability, I could instead keep my shotgun as my primary (it's role for the last 13+ years).

2. Almost a decade as a sports photographer, I've got significant experience with keeping one eye in a magnified optic, and the other eye open, so the BAC works very well for me, and so far, I am finding that the ACOG is actually faster close in for me than the iron, er, plastic sights.

3. I wanted to have magnified optics, and some sort of BDC capability.

I decided on the TA-33 with the green horseshoe reticle. I'm liking this reticle much better than the red chevron I had tried previously.

Sling Choice was between the VTAC and the Mag-Pul MS2, with the real choice being 2-point, or 1-point. I decided on the VTAC, as felt that a 2-point would be more suitable for a GP carbine. I am actually reconsidering this, and may end up with a different sling at a later point. I like this sling for a few things so far; it allows me to tighten up for a bit more support, but I don't like transitions to my opposite shoulder, although I may just need more practice.

Grip Choice was between the Ergo & the MOE, although I considered the MIAD. Previous carbine had an Ergo grip on it, and every time I picked it up, I noticed how great it felt. Decided to try the MOE, and I am glad I did. I don't notice how well it feels, I actually don't notice it anymore. It's just there.

Magazines Carbine came with two Lancers and one USGI, but I really prefer the PMAGs, so I picked up 8 30-rounders, and 2 20-rounders.


So the current configuration, which I am pretty happy with looks like this (excuse the clean, unscratched finish, this is before the first range trip):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2684/4324445204_cc6883466d_o.jpg

Stickman
7 February 2010, 20:44
Great writeup, its a shame you are a Nikon shooter, ;)


Welcome to the board. [:)]

Michael
7 February 2010, 21:35
Sling Choice was between the VTAC and the Mag-Pul MS2, with the real choice being 2-point, or 1-point. I decided on the VTAC, as felt that a 2-point would be more suitable for a GP carbine. I am actually reconsidering this, and may end up with a different sling at a later point. I like this sling for a few things so far; it allows me to tighten up for a bit more support, but I don't like transitions to my opposite shoulder, although I may just need more practice.


The padded VTAC is,so far, the best multi-purpose sling I have used. The difficulties you mention with transitions to your support shoulder can be alleviated by mounting the sling at the rear of the receiver rather than at the end of the stock. There are a variety of options on how to do that, including receiver plates, but I use the Tango Down PR-4 sling mount that mounts directly to the buffer tube. That way it is not a permanent attachment and allows me to move the set up to another rifle if necessary. This is particularly useful for people who have issued weapons that cannot be modified.

I also mount the front of the sling near the rear of the rail, closer to the receiver. This helps prevent the sling from interfering with my support hand when driving the gun.

friendlyfireisnt
7 February 2010, 22:32
Michael,

I can see why mounting at the receiver end plate would make transitions easier, and that's definitely in the plans, once I free up a bit more cash.


Great writeup, its a shame you are a Nikon shooter, ;)


Welcome to the board. [:)]

Make that a former-Canon shooter, current Nikon shooter. ;)

Seems to work for me. [:D] http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/4081525574_aabcce163d_o.jpg

iamjonscranium
8 February 2010, 16:26
Okay, I'm a new member here, so I should probably add mine to the mix. I'm not brand new to AR-15's, but I tend to buy one, decide it not what I want, and when I realize that I can't afford what I want, I sell it off, only to return at a later point. To that point, I spent significant amount of time thinking over each individual component, so that I wouldn't have any regrets.

Purpose: Dead nuts reliable, general purpose carbine, with a focus on mid-range capability.

Budget: $1,500 (spent $1,325)

Upper: The only component that I knew 100% from the start I would get, was a BCM 16" mid-length upper. I've had these before, and regretted not having it anymore. Time to correct that.

Lower: The specific make wasn't that critical, as long as it was in spec. I was debating between LMT & BCM, and ended up with a GTS (Denny's). I just wanted everything in spec, and a single-stage trigger.

Bolt Carrier Grouip I had decided on getting the BCM, with the LMT being my second choice. Ended up with the LMT.

Stock I was debating between several ones out there: CTR, E-MOD, ACS, and the standard M4 stock. Ended up with the E-Mod, which seems to balance well on this rifle.

Handguard: Once again, I was debating due to budgetary restrictions on getting a railed forend, or just keeping standard plastic handguards. I ended up with the Omega 9" rail, which so far I am liking very much.

Sights: Initial plan was to get either the Troy flip ups, or the MBUS. Ended up with the MBUS.


As you can see, I only had a few decisions made, and was flip-flopping on others, mainly due to budgetary reasons. Fortunately, that issue was solved when I found on TOS's EE a unfired carbine that not only met my specs, but also forced a few of the decisions for me.

The really good news is that it saved me a bit of cash, so I was able to start considering adding some optics. I already had a Leupold VX-II 3-9x40 with M1 turrets, so I just needed to figure out my mounting choices.

Here's how it started at that point, with the scope I was considering having mounted on top:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4286478400_2edb1617cc_o.jpg

I quickly decided that the VXII was a poor fit for this carbine, so I sold it (and the hunting rifle it was normally mounted on) to help fund my optics.

Optics, Magazines, Sling, Accessories & Ammo

[B]Budget: $1,200

Since I abandoned the earlier idea I had for optics, this was the major decision. I went back and forth between aimpoints and eotechs, but wasn't really happy with either one. I decided on an ACOG in the end, for a few reasons:

1. I have additional tools for home defense, so if the ACOG didn't allow me good close quarter capability, I could instead keep my shotgun as my primary (it's role for the last 13+ years).

2. Almost a decade as a sports photographer, I've got significant experience with keeping one eye in a magnified optic, and the other eye open, so the BAC works very well for me, and so far, I am finding that the ACOG is actually faster close in for me than the iron, er, plastic sights.

3. I wanted to have magnified optics, and some sort of BDC capability.

I decided on the TA-33 with the green horseshoe reticle. I'm liking this reticle much better than the red chevron I had tried previously.

Sling Choice was between the VTAC and the Mag-Pul MS2, with the real choice being 2-point, or 1-point. I decided on the VTAC, as felt that a 2-point would be more suitable for a GP carbine. I am actually reconsidering this, and may end up with a different sling at a later point. I like this sling for a few things so far; it allows me to tighten up for a bit more support, but I don't like transitions to my opposite shoulder, although I may just need more practice.

Grip Choice was between the Ergo & the MOE, although I considered the MIAD. Previous carbine had an Ergo grip on it, and every time I picked it up, I noticed how great it felt. Decided to try the MOE, and I am glad I did. I don't notice how well it feels, I actually don't notice it anymore. It's just there.

Magazines Carbine came with two Lancers and one USGI, but I really prefer the PMAGs, so I picked up 8 30-rounders, and 2 20-rounders.


So the current configuration, which I am pretty happy with looks like this (excuse the clean, unscratched finish, this is before the first range trip):

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2684/4324445204_cc6883466d_o.jpg

I think I recognize that floor from another forum...[:)]

friendlyfireisnt
8 February 2010, 17:33
I think I recognize that floor from another forum...[:)]

Only if there was either this rifle, or the one I sold off to fund the ACOG sitting on the floor. ;)

Stickman
8 February 2010, 18:27
Michael,

I can see why mounting at the receiver end plate would make transitions easier, and that's definitely in the plans, once I free up a bit more cash.



The Noveske QD endplate and Magpul ASAP are both worth looking at for 360 degree mobility.

devilpig
14 February 2010, 01:59
http://i46.tinypic.com/s1rlae.jpg

Well, to begin with this is my "all-around" AR....or what I intended it to be. Of course we all know that the longer you are into this sort of thing, each rifle eventually morphs into something that fills a specific niche.

ACS- love the cheek-weld, storage, handnotch in case I need more accuracy in the prone or sitting position.

10" Rail- needed more real estate and so this was how I went. Ended up taking down an old A2 FSP instead of buying a gas block. PERFECT length for the use this rifle sees.

Troy F/R back ups- pretty self explanatory...solid as can be

X300- In conjunction with the handstop I use and grip I utilize, thumb activation is perfect. On top the rifle stays streamlined. When the rifle is slung in the front or rear there's not as much "stuff" to get caught on things. And nope, doesn't even show up through the acog.

TA33R-H- I've been very familiar with TA31's for quite sometime, but really didn't know what I was missing until I tried the TA33 series. Eye-relief is much more forgiving than other series. Lightweight. Horseshoe reticle is easier for me to rapidly acquire than the chevron and I feel just as accurate with it.

TD QD Stubby- I use a hybrid grip, so in conjunction with a handstop a vertical grip is nice and in a pinch if you need a makeshift bipod, it works. Storage may come in handy at some point.

My idea for this weapon was to be something that would be somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades. So far its worked just as I intended it. Only thing it could possibly use at some point is a small RDS on an angle mount.

Here's a parts list in case anyone is interested in specifics:
-ACS Stock
-LaRue milspec buffer tube (ACS locks up nice and tight, it didn't on previous tubes)
-Gunfighter Mod4 Charging handle
-BCM bolt carrier group
-TA33R-H acog with LaRue mount
-LaRue 10" rail
-Homemade gas block from A2 FSP
-AAC 18-tooth QD mount FH
-16" chromoly Shaw barrel
-Noveske lower receiver
-Cerro forge upper (not sure of actual manufacturer....but its in specs and works)
-Troy front and rear flip-up sights
-Moe Grip
-Magpul trigger guard
-TD QD Stubby vfg
-KNS Pins
-DPMS lower parts kit

I'll post up my SBR at some point and go through it as well.

Stickman
14 February 2010, 17:56
Close In Carbine


This carbine is configured in a way that I've been using for awhile now. The concept behind this carbine is for a weapon that fills the general purpose role, but could do specialty work for close in support, building clearing, or vehicle work.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8852-1024-Stick.jpg

Stickman
14 February 2010, 17:59
Up top we see the newest of the KAC Micro Sights. This BUIS is solid, and highly functional in that it allows for elevation adjustments. Its KAC quality, but priced pretty good. IIRC, its only a bit more than Troy BUISs.

Next we can see the BCM "Gunfighter" Charging Handle. The more I use this CH, the more I like it. You can check out the review that I wrote up for Military Times for more information.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2010/01/13/bravo-company-gunfighter-charging-handle/


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8853-1024-Stick.jpg

Stickman
14 February 2010, 18:02
Up on the flattop we can see the Aimpoint T-1 in a KAC mount. The optic battery life is good enough that its left on all the time, and I'll replace the battery every 3 or 4 years whether it needs it or not. The KAC mount is rock solid, and gives multiple heights for your own particular variant of co-witness or rail height.

Check out the Military Times KAC Mount writeup below for more info on that topic.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2009/11/17/kac-mounts/


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8854-1024-Stick.jpg

Stickman
14 February 2010, 18:04
Its a M16, so I dropped in the Geiselle SSF trigger. The special best of special teams in both military and law enforcement are using the trigger in their M16 * 416 variants. Its simply fantastic, and while not a light trigger, its very clean and high on the durability side.

The pistol grip is a MIAD, mainly because it fits my hands better than anything else.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8856-1024-Stick.jpg

Stickman
14 February 2010, 18:06
The Bolt Carrier Group (BCG) is from Fail Zero. Once upon a time, I thought the product was a gimmick, but I was shown to be wrong on that guess. I've been using one of these in a training mule since the Fail Zero BCGs first came out, and its been nothing less than impressive.

The FA version shown here is getting used for some upcoming testing, and I'll update more on that once it gets to a point where I can do a full writeup.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8866-1024-Stick.jpg

Stickman
14 February 2010, 18:09
Shown below is the Magpul CTR with its extended stock pad, I've used everything else out there, and the CTR continues to be a favorite. The light weight and feel are just about perfect for me.

Also shown is the rear sling mount, which is the Noveske QD end plate, which not only seems proper on the Noveske lower, but also is one of the easiest and useful sling mounts I've used.


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8858-1024-Stick.jpg

Stickman
14 February 2010, 18:11
The front end is setup with a KAC Triple Tap brake on the front. While some will argue that use of a brake as opposed to a Flash Suppressor (FS), no one who has used a TTB is going to think it doesn't do its job. Its louder than an A2 FS, but keeps rounds on target like no ones business.

The rail is a KAC URX, which is tight, sleek, and light weight. The integrated front sight lowers to be flush with the top of the rail. The QD points towards the rear of the rail make for great mounting points, and I think almost everyone is running their sling towards the rear of the rail currently.

There are loads of great lights out on the market, but the Gear Sector light mount is a mount that stands out on its own. Allowing for more mounting positions than I could ever need, this one is shown off the top rail. Yes, the image is show upside down, but I shot it that way and am happy with the way it looks.

You may also notice the Gear Sector hand stop. This low profile stop works well for my style of shooting. I use it as an index point, but it functions fully as a standard hand stop for those who need a bit to pull or push on.

KAC rail panels round it out, I used those mainly because they are simple and work well. I like a panel that actually protects the rail, not just small portions. If the rail is protected from impact, my hands are protected from a hot rail.




http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/STCK8855-1024-Stick.jpg

Quib
24 February 2010, 17:38
My carbine with the newly installed Aimpoint, ADM mount and Magpul MBUS.

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Arsone23
27 February 2010, 19:51
Well this is my first AR. I was originally going to get the Smith M&P MOE edition but I decided to go with the Oly and put my own MOE accessories on it. Saved me 3 to 4 hundred bucks. I like the flat dark earth color and the MOE products fit the budget for my first AR. The optic, laser and light are cheap, but, then again I'm not using them in extreme situations. They work well for plinking. I got the dot sighted in today next I have to work on the laser. Plenty of mags too. I need a few P-Mags with the windows now.
http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/6937/montiar2.jpg (http://img532.imageshack.us/i/montiar2.jpg/)

Other side view.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7996/montar.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/montar.jpg/)

Now I have to decide what to do next. Build one from the ground up, maybe with the 5.7 upper and some nicer aftermarket parts. Or maybe purchase the Stag 8L because I'm a lefty. I like the idea of a piston driven AR. I don't know if it's worth all the hype though. Let me know what you guys think!

Arsone23
27 February 2010, 19:57
I forgot to mention I'm trying to get that Phantom flash hider on it and am waiting on my tac sling and sling mount. Once I get those this will be complete.

goteron
1 March 2010, 12:52
New on the site, actually just registered to post in this thread.

Its a 12.7" A2 Carbine Length on a LWRC lower (Registered).

I chose the 12.7" as a good compromise in length and velocity. So far I have been very happy with it.

Its got the 1 piece carrier and ACB.

Here are the other specs.

Geiselle SSA - I prefer a 2 Stage, and in a fighting weapon, I dont think there is another choice.
Magpul ASAP - I use the MS-2, so its a natural choice. I dont like the pelican hook on the MS-2, but that will change.
Magpul BAD - Makes weapon manipulation easier, especially with the redi-mag.
Magpul CTR With Decel Pad - Light and short. Decel pad helps for shooting alot.
Magpul AFG - Works perfectly with my light setup. Comfortable and effective.
CQD Forward Mount - Best Mount I have found for the forward mount on the MS-2
Modified Redi-Mag - I like having another mag on the weapon. Only adds a few ounces by itself and stays out of the way.
BCM Gunfighter - Easier to use than a standard or combat latch. Stronger and more effective.
Ambi Safety - I did'nt like putting it on safey without it while shooting from support side.
Troy BUIS - Came with the A2, will probably switch to MBUS when the lower profile version is available.
Aimpoint T-1 on Larue 660HK - I like a lower cheek weld, and the T-1 is light and almost as fast as the M4
VLTOR Offset Light Mount - Holds the light closer to the rail on both axis. I swapped a Larue for this.
JetBeam RRT-2 Light - $100 bucks, several modes, built well. Beats surefire anyday in my book.
AAC SPR/M4 Flash Hider / Mount - Required for my suppressor. - Switching this for either the Brakeout or a custom soon.
AAC SPR/M4 Suppressor - Reflex design, mates well with the 12.7.
Tub Flatwire Spring - Longer life, was trying to increase dwell time. Not sure if it made a difference.
Spikes T-2 Buffer - Same as above, was trying to decrease blowback when using the can. Not sure if it helped either.


I have a few thousand rounds through it, and so far am very happy. I run nothing but Silver Bear 62g. Im not HSLD, just built it as a SHTF / Home defense / training gun.

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Stickman
2 March 2010, 10:58
goteron,

Good pictures and good writeup.

ColdDeadHands
6 March 2010, 15:30
When planning this AR on Paper I had the following purpose(s) in mind:

Home Defense
Post Disaster SHTF Rifle
Training

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/My%20Guns/DSC_0112.jpg

The Upper I went for is a Noveske Light Reece Basic 16” mid-length with an AAC Blackout 51T flash hider attached. The Barrel is CHF and chrome lined to M249 specs, which should make for a very long lifetime. I chose the 51T for its excellent flash hiding qualities and for the ability to attach an AAC M4-2000. Next I added the BCM Gunfighter Mod4 charging handle for added reliability of the setup.

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The rear sight is the standard Noveske supplied Troy BUIS & I decided to get an Aimpoint H1 mounted on a tall Larue mount. I bought the H1 over the T1 because I don’t plan on having Night Vision equipment nor do I plan on diving with my rifle. The decision on which mount to go with was easy; the robust construction and locking lever of the Larue mounts are tough to beat.

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Next up is the Lower Receiver; I started with a (free) Noveske factory 2nd stripped lower and installed a Bill Springfield LPK with his 4 lbs trigger, a Colt bolt catch, a LMT fire selector and a Magpul MOE trigger guard.

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A BCM mil-spec stock hardware mounting kit with H Buffer and a Magpul ASAP end plate enabled me to install a Magpul ACS stock, which nicely balances this mid-length Rifle, a plus is the trapdoor in which I store a few spare CR2032 batteries for the H1 & a sight adjustment tool. The Magpul MS2 Sling makes for quick transitions if used with the Magpul ASAP.

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The Grip is a Magpul Miad because I like the way it feels in my Hand and I like the Interchangeable Grip Inserts. I also installed a Magpul B.A.D. for faster reloads & malfunction clearing.

http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/My%20Guns/DSC_0115.jpg

For now this Rifle is completely done…at least until the release of the MOE Hand Guard for mid-length gas systems this summer. I have a Streamlight TLR1 waiting for one of those. I also might try out the AAC Breakout once released.

This is a durable, accurate & soft shooting AR and I am very satisfied with it. It’s nice to be done with a build but there is a Noveske Recon with 14” rail waiting in the safe for some goods…Geiselle SSA, Bobro Bipod, Nightforce NXS 1-4 on Larue Mount…don’t get me started… [:D]

Michael
6 March 2010, 19:30
This started as a Colt 6721/AR-15A3 because that's what we issued where I used to work. But as is common, I was bitten by the Noveske bug and in early 2007 ordered a Noveske Infidel with the 13.7 inch barrel and the permanently attached KX-3. However I asked John for a modification. I had recently attended my first training course with Kyle Lamb of Viking Tactics and was very impressed with the VTAC tube. As someone who needs, at most, a light and a foregrip, I like the simplicity of the tubular forend. In addition, the modularity of it, and the ability to put rails only where you need them was another factor that drew me to the VTAC tube. So I ordered the tube from VTAC and sent to John who was more than happy to put it on. (Note: This was before Noveske and VTAC teamed up and started making the VTAC rifles.)

Upper: Noveske Infidel 13.7 inch with KX-3 with a VTAC full length tube.

Sights: Noveske-marked Troy BUS

Optic: EOTech 552

Light: Surefire G3 in a VTAC light mount, mounted at 9 o'clock (I'm not sure why, but I forgot to mount the light before I took the pictures...)

Lower: Colt 6721/AR-15A3

Stock: Magul CTR

Sling: VTAC wide padded sling. I use a TangoDown PR-4 mounted at the rear of the receiver and attach the other end to the rear of the rail using the QD sling stud and swivel.

Grip: TangoDown.

Fore Grip: TangoDown full size. (I got that before they came out with the stubby....)

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Overall, the Noveske has been amazing. However in retrospect, perhaps I should have gotten one of the Noveske N4 chrome lined barrels instead. The KX-3 adds a fair amout of weight to the front. Though I must admit that shooting through a windshield from inside a car with the Krink is....interesting...to say the least.

One change I want to make is to try the Magpul AFG because that seems to be my usual hand position anyways. If I don't like that, I may go with a TD stubby. I have also been thinking about getting one of the BCM Gunfighter charging handles.

I tried to get a little creative with the pictures, but I don't think they compare to Stick's pictures. Maybe someday I will actually learn how to use my camera...

Venom
7 March 2010, 16:16
http://www.abload.de/img/sabre_m5_sm_stencyxo8.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=sabre_m5_sm_stencyxo8.jpg)

Sabre Defense XR 15 M5

modified it "externally" a bit, due to ergonomics and function ( and style of course)

MAGPUL CTR - very lightweigt + friction lock
MAGPUL ASAP - great designed ambi slingmount
MAGPUL MIAD Grip - fits my hands the best
TROY BUIS - lightweight rocksolid
DPMS Ambi safety - just feels right
MAGPUL BAD - ergonomics and speed while manipulating the bolt
DD 9' Omega Rail - drop in, easy install, rocksolid and very ligthweight
MAGPUL AFG - fits my shooting style
Surefire muzzle brake - curious how it performs, haven't shot it yet

Intended modifications:
swap CTR for ACS , swap 9' for 12 ' omega rail ( using a VLTOR lopro gasblock) with TROY front BUIS


The gun generally handles like a dream; it chews every ammo I throw at it and the built in trigger is nice!

(excuse the crappy pic, had bad lighting and tried to make the best out of it)

isotope
8 March 2010, 19:23
First off, this is a great discussion and forum. I've learned a lot, both from the discussions around rationale for builds and from admiring Stick's amazing images. I'll share my build that I getting close to finishing:

http://isotopestudios.com/galleries/AR/colt_full_lt.jpg

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Purpose - General rifle, primarily as go-to gun for home defense.

Approach - There are so many good builds out there, but I am partial to Colt since I have never had a problem with my other Colt rifles and I have seen a multitude of other manufacturer's rifles break-down during high round classes.

Upper - Colt M4 A3 upper. I wanted a barrel that could handle heaver bullets and I have had experience with 1:9 barrels that was less than optimal with heavier bullets (YMMV). This barrel has a 1:7 twist which holds a nice tight group with my 75gr TAP FPD out to 100 yd (probably longer but that is how far I have grouped it).

Lower - Colt AR-15A3. I got a good deal on the upper and mated it with this lower. Colt on Colt, nuf said ;)

BCG: BCM MPI Auto. Have shot several thousand rounds without a hiccup.

Rail - Daniel Defense Omega 7. I was looking for a lightweight, free-float, no fuss rail. This has had some great reviews and I give it one also. Great construction fit and function. No muss no fuss install.

Railcovers - Magpul XTM on bottom and sides. I like the feel, comfort and relatively low profile of these. On the top of the rail is the DD low profile cover. Plus you can mix and match colors - what's not to like [:)]

Vert Grip - I am a fan of the stubby VGs and the Tango Down fits my needs/price point. The longer grips didn't add anything for me, I used only the top portion and they would get in the way when I was prone, so I have switched to stubbies. I position the VG closer to me since this lets me rest my barrel on a support when prone/zeroing and doesn't make my support arm feel over extended (can support rifle for longer with less stress).

Light/Mount - The Surefire G2LED is mounted in a Vltor offset light mount. The light has a Z59 tailcap that lets me use momentary or clip-on continuous light. I looked at many of the light systems out there and for the price, this one serves me best.

Optic/Mount - Aimpoint CompM3. 50,000 hours battery, NV compatible, etc etc. Works great for me in the house and outside. On a Larue cantilever. Has been rock solid and gives me the option to add a magnifier before the optic if I want in the future.

BUIS - GG&G MAD. I have used a number of others and really like the simplicity of the MAD.

Stock - Magpul ACS with enhanced buttpad. I tried the Emod and the ACS and this stock felt/fit better. It seems to balance the 16" very nicely. The extended pad gave perfect distance for me (eye to optic) with stock extended. I added the QD attachment point for my 2 point sling as well.

Handgrip - Magpul MOE. Fits my hand great and I don't like finger ridges on some of the other grips. Nice texture, not too tacky but not slippery when out in the rain.

Still going to add the Magpul enhanced trigger guard. It takes away the annoying gap and I like it on my other rifles.

isotope
8 March 2010, 19:30
I have the rifle set up to use about any configuration sling. I really like the single point Gear Sector ASP. I connect it with a Daniel Defense QD adapter on the buffer tube. This has worked well for me in carbine classes and I don't have any issues transitioning to my secondary or running with it dropped by my side. I do see how climbing over obstacles would be a pain with a single point. I use a GS-2P sometime, but prefer the ASP for my needs.

http://isotopestudios.com/galleries/AR/colt_slings.jpg

GraphiteBrawler
8 March 2010, 19:51
Awesome write-up Iso!

anthonytburg07
10 March 2010, 11:18
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From Left to right, I have the CTR stock. Nice sturdy stock when the friction lock is locked. MIAD grip just fits my hand real well. MBUS rear sight, sturdy cheap sight that holds it zero. Vortex Strikefire for my optic. Great sight but just replaced it with an EOTECH. Will post pics when I get them up. Redi Mag for that quick reload when needed. BAD lever, one of my favorite purchases thus far. Ergo free float handguard. Magpul XTM and ladder rail protectors. AFG, at the time of the pic it was fresh out of the box. Since then I have fallen in love with it and put two on my other builds. Troy flip up front sight. Last but not least my favorite purchase is my Adams Arms piston kit. This thing is amazing. Prior to purchasing it I was all about DI but now piston has shown me the light. All of this is sitting on a Roggio Arsenal carbine. This rifle is my go to gun and the one I train with the most. :P

Quib
10 March 2010, 17:10
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Michael
10 March 2010, 19:47
Old School!!

Stickman
10 March 2010, 23:30
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What made you go with that layout?

Quib
11 March 2010, 03:36
What made you go with that layout?

This is the result of an upper receiver swap, so that I could utilize the new Aimpoint/ADM Mount with my carbine.

The rifle previously wore a detachable carry handle anyway, so not much difference there from a functionality standpoint.

ETA: I think of it as the “Canadaization Of A Rifle”. (Colt Canada C7) [:D]

Stickman
15 March 2010, 14:44
Looks good, and I appreciate the parts listing, but what you decide to go with those components?

Bowser
15 March 2010, 15:09
The lower was free, thus motivating me to build a new carbine.

I chose the 16" M4 upper because I had given thought to adding the midlength URX II rail system and it wouldn't have worked on my BCM 16" midlength upper. I was originally going to go with a 14.5" M4 upper but the thought of having a fixed muzzle attachment meant my options were limited with rails and cleaning the crown from carbon build up was going to be impossible.

The Moe forearm was chosen for something that was modular enough to add rail accessories but without breaking the bank and getting a rail out of the box. This way, I could get an optic and take classes and go to the shooting club that's local here.

The KAC sight was chosen because it allowed me to zero like a carry handle yet have it fold out of the way.

I have a BCM mod4 charging handle on my midlength build, and it pinched sometimes so I gave the gas buster a try.

My other AR has the Magpul ASAP and a MS2 sling, from the classes that I have previously taken, it is mostly taught with 2 point sling manipulations. The VCAS felt more comfortable since it is a little bit wider than the MS2.

I do have a Magpul AFG, but coupled with the MOE it didn't feel as comfortable as it does on a normal swaure rail system, so I put on the Tango Down I had laying around for a thumb break hold.

I have an LMT sopmod stock, but the cheek weld was a bit much so I went with the CTR stock. I like it a lot, and it offers a QD hole for a sling as well although even with the friction lock, it isn't as solidly locked as my Sopmod is.

The magpul BAD lever is on there because it does what it is advertised to do. Makes manipulation of the weapon faster and easier. It also allows me to lock the bolt to the rear easily on support side too.

The MOE pistol grip is there because I normally use a MIAD with the medium contoured rear and the A1 front straps, so why pay extra I figured.

As for the optics, I like the Eotech's because they come with a 1MOA dot by default. While battery life isn't as great as an Aimpoint, the eotech still allows me to use AA batteries, which are always readily available anywhere. The 555/A.65-1 is the model I am most looking at since it has AA batteries, and the ARMS quick throw levers.

iamjonscranium
17 March 2010, 19:58
White Oak upper

ADCO Custom Cruiser barrel - wanted a medium dissy mid length, ADCO delivered

Bravo Company BCG - got this based on their reputation for quality

Troy MRF-R - lightweight, easy to install, and I got it $150 used :)

Magpul MOE stock - upgrade from the standard M4 stock, same price

Primary Arms 4x illuminated scope - good lower cost scope for training/civilian use

Boonie Packer 2pt quick adjust sling - low cost, high quality with good features

AAC Blackout FH - reviews said the Blackout was one of the best out there. I got the suppressor mount style used for $50 :)

DD Rear sight (on bottom of rail) - I like my rear sight like I like my women; simple, lean, beautiful.

Stark Equipment SE-1 pistol grip - My perfect grip. Low angle, fills the upper part of the hand, great trigger finger placement.

Spike's Tactical ST-T2 buffer - lowers felt recoil for around the same price as inferior buffers. Think of the difference between throwing a baseball at the ground and throwing a hackey sack at the ground. This buffer is the hackey sack when it comes to felt recoil.

Fender Hot Rod Deluxe White Lightning - just to make you drool..... this is making me think of something... anyone make white AR furniture?

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TwoSqeeze
23 March 2010, 20:50
This is my first semiauto rifle that has not been Uncle Sam provided. The thought behind this build was to have a no expense spared tank of a gun that will be used for HD and a class here and there.

Build Sheet:
Lower: Tactical Innovation T15 forged lower (in retrospect I would have rather went with a DD lower for a better magwell, but live and learn.)
Upper: VOLTR MUR (great upper, cant say that it is functionaly any different than a forged upper but it sure do look purty;)
LPK: Adco (went in easy)
Trigger: Gissele SSA (This is my first AR 15 but I have ran many of them when I was in the military and I can without a doubt say that this thing is the cat's ass. smooth, crisp and robust enough to last.)
KNS GenII ModII Pins: I will probably get rid of these and put in the pins that came with the Gissele. I just dont see the need for them now that I have them)
BCG: BCM auto Ionbonded (finish is well done)
Barrel: BCM BFH 11.5" (More accurate that I am)
Gas Block: VLTOR Low Profile (Had some trouble getting the gas tube roll pin in but no biggie)
FF Rail: Viking Tactics VTAC Extreme Rail. (I centered my build around this rail and it is even better than I could have imagined. Light / strong / easy to remove and install. I was worried about heat transfer but after three mag dumps in a row I could still hold it with a bare hand.)
Muzzle Brake: KAC Triple Tap (Follow up shots are really quick. Is it worth the price of addmission? I will have to wait and see after I try out the PWS part on my other build.)
Optic: Aimpoint T-1 (Awesomeness)
Optic Mount: Daniel Defense (Light and super stable)
BIUS: Daniel Defense Fixed sights (I dont want to have to jack with deyploying folded sights shoule the T-1 go down)
Light mount: Gearsector offset mount (fit and finish is great and it snugs up nice and tight)
Light: Elzetta zfl-m60 (This light is crazy bright and has a high and low setting. I wont list all the specs here but I would highly suggest doing a google search on this thing. I know that Stick has done a write up on this and I plan to as well when I get a chance to run it hard)
Charging Handle: BCM Gunfighter Medium Latch (Built like a tank)
Buffer and Spring: H buffer and regular spring from BCM
Magpul Goodness: AFG (stippled by me), CTR, MIAD, ASAP and MS2

Pics
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-TS

Tactical Ninja
25 March 2010, 09:06
POF Gen I Lower Receiver-Wanted a lower that was billet with a flared magwell
Magpul MOE Trigger Guard-Needed a lower trigger guard than the regular since this lower was not a Gen II or III and it was the obvious chocie for a great price.
Magpul MIAD-I love the MIAD grip in my opinion it is the best grip out there and I am all about be able to cater things to my needs and the MIAD does just that.
Magpul PMAG w/Ranger Plates-I don't feel these need any explanation they're the best mags out there for any AR15 and all other compatible weapons.
Magpul ACS Mil-Spec-It felt like a good choice for the 16" barrel.
Magpul BAD Lever-It's nice be able to manipulate the bolt with your trigger finger.
Magpul ASAP Plate-Best option for the MS2 Sling
Magpul Ladder Covers-Like the low profile of these rail covers.
Magpul MBUS GEN I-They were inexpensive and I'm a big Magpul fan so there was really no question.
Magpul RVG-Like the short and stubby foregrips I use them more like a handstop anyway, and it's low cost compared to a Tango Down or some of the other grips out there.
Vltor BCMGUNFIGHTER Charging Handle Mod3-I like the solid wall for the latch to hit.
Aimpoint Comp ML2-Really like the Comp Series from Aimpoint and I wanted something different than a Eotech.
DPMS Lower Parts Kit-Just wanted a basic kit to build off of, and was trying to keep this build under $800
H Buffer W/Carbine Spring
DPMS AP416 Upper W/4140 Chrome-Moly Steel AP4 Contour Phospated Barrel
Daniel Defense Lite Rail 9.0

I plan to add a A.R.M.S. Inc. #22M68 w/Cantilever Extension, and a PWS FSC556.


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lmtrocks
30 March 2010, 16:41
Cerakoted LMT Upper and lower. Previously 5.56 1.7 16"

7.62x39 ER Shaw barrel heavy profile
M1S bolt and enhanced firing pin
vortex strikefire red/green dot
wolff extra power hammer spring
troy mrf-r 12" rail
YHM oversize takedown pins
ambi safety, sling/eggplate
kns gen2mod1 pins

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MStarmer
8 April 2010, 12:02
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg68/mstarmer/Olympic.jpg

Started out life as an Olympic Arms CAR-15 that was purchased during the ban for way too much money... During it's first rebuilt I had a RRA HBAR upper but it was too heavy so it was sold to fund the current config;

Olympic Arms SGW stopsign lower sent back and remanufactured with same serial #
Bravo Co 14.5" Upper with pinned A2X for 16.1", chrome lined 1:7 twist
Bravo Co BCG
DD Omega 7 rail system (odd shaped for some accessories)
Bravo Co mil spec buffer tube assy (H)
Magpul MOE grip/stock/trigger guard and AFG
Magpul rail covers
Troy BUIS (BCM)
Aimpoint M3 (4moa) in Larue mount
Gear Sector "E" series light mount
Gear Sector front sling mount
Noveske QD end plate
RRA 2 stage trigger
Viking Tactics VTAC sling (not so sure on the current setup, thus the ends are all too long...)
Viking Tactics Surefire "Scout" type light... Excellent value, could barely get the head for the price of the complete light. Quite a cost savings next to a complete Surefire Scout light

Venom
11 April 2010, 10:15
as a short update; I shaved my FSB inorder to fit a 12 inch rail system onto my rifle; here's the result:


http://oda152.caelsi.org/upload/m5_acs_th.jpg (http://oda152.caelsi.org/upload/m5_acs.jpg)
http://oda152.caelsi.org/upload/m5_ubr_th.jpg (http://oda152.caelsi.org/upload/m5_ubr.jpg)

cebuboy
13 April 2010, 04:18
My all around M4gery...

The purpose of this build is for all around use, a kind of one size fits all solution...

Flat top upper for flexibility in sighting options.

Bushmaster 14.5" 1/7 M4 govt profile barrel. I do prefer BCM or Daniel Defense or Colt but the Bushie was the only thing available during that time. I like the govt profile for the weight, 1/7 twist for ammo flexibility (50-77grains) and the A2 birdcage hider is good enough for me.

Young Mfg. NM bcg. It was the only thing available at the time, a very fine piece of BCG, nicely finished and the chrome plating makes cleaning easier. It is half an ounce heavier than the std bcg and have increased bearing surface areas for stability. Works great with the H buffer and std rate carbine spring. Plus Travis Haley is running one so I think it is good to go.

DD Omega 7" rails, it's free float and installation is a breeze. After a year of playing with this setup, it seems that the rail is too short...

Magpul XTM rail panels, hey they are cheap compared to others, and a ladder type cover for the top rail just looks right.

Aimpoint ML3 in Larue mount, I like the simplicity and durability of the combo. The 2 MOA dot is good enough for general use in 100-200 meter ranges, and the battery lasts a long long long time. I like the LT-150 mount, it is rock solid, returns to zero reliably and looks good.

Poboy Hensholdt magnifier in Larue mount, hey I'm cheap, its the only magnifier I can afford, makes small targets a little bit clearer(2.5x magnification) and the flip mount is fast and solid.

Troy flip sights for backup, I like the same plane feature, its low profile and have an outstanding reputation.

PRI military latch on std ch makes manipulation of the charging handle easier for me.

Vltor Clubfoot modtsock kit. I like the cheekweld and I can store my cigs in the watertight compartments, the mil-spec 5 position receiver extension (bufer tube) is nicely done with numbers on top for easy referencing.

MIAD grip. Like the angle and feel, plus it comes with the enhanced trigger guard. You can also store stuff in it and no more abraded second finger. :)

Tango Down stubby VFG, like the feel of this the best and it can store a small bottle of lube for emergencies.

Elisco Lower receiver with Colt fcg from previous M16A2 build.

Blue force gear VCAS sling with QD mounts, versatile all purpose sling.

The M10 bayonet is well, just in case I run out of bullets. :)

And did I say I have a green mind, painted it with OD Alumahyde.

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OldDominion
18 April 2010, 14:52
Stickman,

hope this reply is getting to you ...

I built (put together) a AR 15 built upon the Seekings receiver. However, after installing a RR lower pats kit I have a problem. Can't get the safety to "click" it wantss to drag no matter what changes..pins, springs, oil..since you have built the AR from the Seekings lower any tips on fixing..many thanks,

Gary P

Stickman
18 April 2010, 20:01
Stickman,

hope this reply is getting to you ...

I built (put together) a AR 15 built upon the Seekings receiver. However, after installing a RR lower pats kit I have a problem. Can't get the safety to "click" it wantss to drag no matter what changes..pins, springs, oil..since you have built the AR from the Seekings lower any tips on fixing..many thanks,

Gary P



This thread is for listing build components, and why people selected them. If you make a post regarding build problems in the AR15 section we will be more than happy to help you out. I don't want to get this thread sidetracked as I think its one of the more helpful threads out there.

Kitty
21 April 2010, 00:52
This is my first semiauto rifle that has not been Uncle Sam provided. The thought behind this build was to have a no expense spared tank of a gun that will be used for HD and a class here and there.

Build Sheet:
Lower: Tactical Innovation T15 forged lower (in retrospect I would have rather went with a DD lower for a better magwell, but live and learn.)
Upper: VOLTR MUR (great upper, cant say that it is functionaly any different than a forged upper but it sure do look purty;)
LPK: Adco (went in easy)
Trigger: Gissele SSA (This is my first AR 15 but I have ran many of them when I was in the military and I can without a doubt say that this thing is the cat's ass. smooth, crisp and robust enough to last.)
KNS GenII ModII Pins: I will probably get rid of these and put in the pins that came with the Gissele. I just dont see the need for them now that I have them)
BCG: BCM auto Ionbonded (finish is well done)
Barrel: BCM BFH 11.5" (More accurate that I am)
Gas Block: VLTOR Low Profile (Had some trouble getting the gas tube roll pin in but no biggie)
FF Rail: Viking Tactics VTAC Extreme Rail. (I centered my build around this rail and it is even better than I could have imagined. Light / strong / easy to remove and install. I was worried about heat transfer but after three mag dumps in a row I could still hold it with a bare hand.)
Muzzle Brake: KAC Triple Tap (Follow up shots are really quick. Is it worth the price of addmission? I will have to wait and see after I try out the PWS part on my other build.)
Optic: Aimpoint T-1 (Awesomeness)
Optic Mount: Daniel Defense (Light and super stable)
BIUS: Daniel Defense Fixed sights (I dont want to have to jack with deyploying folded sights shoule the T-1 go down)
Light mount: Gearsector offset mount (fit and finish is great and it snugs up nice and tight)
Light: Elzetta zfl-m60 (This light is crazy bright and has a high and low setting. I wont list all the specs here but I would highly suggest doing a google search on this thing. I know that Stick has done a write up on this and I plan to as well when I get a chance to run it hard)
Charging Handle: BCM Gunfighter Medium Latch (Built like a tank)
Buffer and Spring: H buffer and regular spring from BCM
Magpul Goodness: AFG (stippled by me), CTR, MIAD, ASAP and MS2



-TS

How are you activating the light with it mounted on the right with no pressure switch? Are you using the super-awesome-thumb-over-the-top-magpul-costa-AFG grip, your support index finger, or something else?

TwoSqeeze
22 April 2010, 17:29
How are you activating the light with it mounted on the right with no pressure switch? Are you using the super-awesome-thumb-over-the-top-magpul-costa-AFG grip, your support index finger, or something else?

I'm using the S.A.T.O.T.T.M.C.AFG grip at the moment until I change over to the scout light with pressure switch or Elzetta finaly releases their pressure switch.

-TS

Quib
23 April 2010, 15:59
Some latest additions to my carbine.

Swapped out a C7 upper receiver for a flat-top upper receiver, and added:

- Aimpoint ML2 in ADM Mount
- KAC RAS
- Magpul MBUS



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yxl2
24 April 2010, 06:05
Omg, nice variety of gear you have there.

Dos Cylindros
24 April 2010, 11:47
Okay, I could not leave well enough alone. I posted my carbine earlier in this thread, but I now have a totally new build on the same Bushy lower

Upper: BCM 16" light weight middy with DD lite rail 12.0, BCM bolt carrier group and AAC Brakeout muzzle brake.

Optic: Aimpoint Comp M4 on Larue mount

Light: Surefire mini scout M300

Other stuff: Magpul ACS, AFG (recently got rid of this for the new RVG as the AFG did not really do it for me), ASAP plate with MS2 sling, Tango Down battle grip and MBUS sights. Blue Force Gear Redi Mod.

I chose this setup in order to have a capable grab and go carbine for home defense while still maintaining some sort of weight management. In retrospect a T1 or H1 in a DD or Larue mount might have been a little better but I do love my comp M4

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eternal24k
26 April 2010, 09:42
My "go-to" rifle:
Spikes upper and lower receiver: I try to branch out and get a variety of receivers, especially from those who go above and beyond on customer support, so when I saw Spikes was planning on a brown anodized receiver set I grabbed my phone and got on the list. While the fit and finish is not as nice as Mega (a little play and some minor machining marks), everything is in spec and I love it. It looked like the upper had a little dry moly in it, but I went ahead and gave it a good coat anyways since I start my builds now with some in the upper and on the charging handle.
DD Mk18 RIS II rail: not going to lie, I got this because I wanted a 10" rail and something to match up with the receivers, the fact I found it new for the same price as a Lite made it easier. I have Lite rails on 3 of my other builds and love them, I do plan on getting an Omega X for my next because I hate that the Lite has no QD sockets. I went with 10" because I discovered how cramped a carbine length gets on my last build.
Noveske CQB Barrel: I originally was going to go with a 11.5" in either the Sabre or BCM flavor, but I found this on the EE new with a pinned GB for cheap, so I jumped on it. It had some issues and ended up getting sent back for an out-of-spec gas port, but with awesome customer service and a fast return it hasn't skipped a beat since.
A2 Flash Hider: I think I have every fancy FH around and have gotten to the point that the A2 does everything I need and like without the extra cash. If I wanted a brake that would be different.
Troy Sights: I have always liked Troy BUIS, this was my first front sight from them, I wish they took AR sight posts since the AK post is so fat in mine, but for a CQB setup it cant go wrong.
BCM Bolt Carrier Group: not much to say about this, good for the money and I know I have their support should an issue ever arise.
Bravo Mod3 Charging Handle: Love this thing, I have always put larger CHs on my SHTF guns, but the gunfighter knocks the socks off any Badger.
Aimpoint T-1 w/ Larue mount: I like simple and reliable things, the T-1 is everything. I would put them on all my rifles if they had a 2MOA version, but for this use I can't complain. I also prefer lower 1/3 for CQB.
Magpul BAD lever: I got this for the same reason it was made, makes reloads a snap and combined with GunFighter it makes clearing a double feed stupidly easy.
Magpul ASAP mount and MS2 Sling: I normally have been a 2 point sling, but I wanted a decent 1 pointer for this rifle, glad I went with the Magpul. I still have a Gear sector QD for when I use my padded VTAC or Gear Sector GS-2P, but I am pretty much 1-pointer now for this rifle. I can say that in a t-shirt and a long day, the magpul will ride up my shoulder to my neck and rub, which makes me hope for a wider or padded version.
SureFire Scout w/ SR07 switch: I got this new ridiculously cheap, but soon found that I could not have it at the 9'Oclock with my AFG where I want/need it, and couldn't operate it at 3'Oclock. So I got the SR07 switch which allows me to maintain my grip and use it, and the light is in a location where I can still shoot non-dominant and have a place for my hand. Ultimately I would like a offset mount on the left.
Magpul AFG: I have always used shorty foregrips with just my pinky and ring finger, so the AFG seemed right up my alley. First impressions were low until I stippled it and gave it some texture. Wasn't sure how it was going to go, but after a class this weekend I couldn't be happier.
Magpul XTM panels: I wanted to mess around with dye and always liked the camo look.
Magpul MIAD: simply the best fitting grip I have tried. This was dyed along with the stock and some XTM panels.
Magpul CTR: My favorite carbine stock, easy and rugged.
Armalite Lower Parts Kit: decided to try a "higher end" lower parts kit, everything is tops, trigger has 0 creep which takes some getting used to. Still waiting on a Troy ambi selector.

think that covers it all. The gun has a Spikes ST-T2 buffer and runs like a champ, lubed with Spectro Platinum 10w-50 simply because I always have extra after changing the oil on my bike.

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liberty057
27 April 2010, 08:18
My "go-to" rifle:

Nice! Love it. Really dig the Spikes Brown, wish it was still available.

Mega
1 May 2010, 15:57
I think the parts used are pretty apparent, but if you have any questions, just ask.

Recently updated CQBR.

She has Bushmaster roll-marks on her, but all that is left of the original BM rifle is the upper and lower housings.
Everything else has been replaced little-by-little over time.

Next step is to replace the 16" barrel with a 12" and make her a SBR. ;)


http://www.mdshooters.com/gallery/files/4/4/4/1/cqbr-017.jpg

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Ender
8 May 2010, 19:36
A question was posed on another board asking what you considered to be an ultimate carbine if you could only have one AR15, while I could have gone a few different directions, here was my reply.


If I could only have one, and it would have to serve as a jack of all trades, for LE, MIL, SHTF, or any other uses, this is what it would be.

Noveske upper- An upper is an upper as long as its in spec, the only reason to change would be for a reinforced upper like a MUR if needed.
Noveske N4 barrel- HIgh quality, more accurate than needed, stellarlongevity, etc etc... the 12.5" provides a combination of handling and lethality for a reasonable distance.
Noveske BCG- High quality M16 BCG.
Noveske lower- FA isn't a requirement for very many things, but its a nice option to have, and I like both their people, and products.

KAC rear sight- High quality durable sight that can be adjusted as needed.
KAC front folding sight- Pinned folding sight that isn't going to come loose.
KAC Aimpoint Mount- Rock solid heavy duty mount.

Insight AN/PEQ 15- Actual needs for this are debatable for many scenarios, but in the world of " haves" and "have nots", its better to "have".

AAC SPR/M4 FS- Since the can that goes along with it is in another picture, it makes sense to have the mount. No can needed for some scenarios, very needed for others. This mount also does a great job in killing flash when the can isn't being used.

Geiselle SSF trigger- Fantastic trigger that has proven itself with some of the most elite of units. In the world of ultimate combat triggers, this is it in my book. I run mine with a slightly heavier disco spring.

Midwest Industries QD Sling Mount- This sling mount works great, locks up tight and is low profile.

Surefire Scout Light- Very bright, very durable, very simple.

Magpul PMAG- Reliable magazine that takes a lot of abuse, windowed or standard, I have no preference, they work and thats what matters.
Magpul MIAD- This configuration fits my hand perfectly, and yes I like the front strap with the finger nub.
Magpul ACS Stock- I have an entire review with a loads of pictures that explain why I consider this the ultimate stock ACS Stock Review (http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1277)

LMT 40mm Grenade launcher- There is more to life than 40mm HEDP, but while they are useful, flares aren't as fun. Besides, the 203 on this takes me back to my days of being a M203 gunner complete with cadence.....


http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%204/IMG_9794%201024%20stick.jpg

What no redi-mod?

Stickman
12 May 2010, 09:52
What no redi-mod?


The weight and bulk of any weapon with a 203 is increased enough as it is.

Ender
15 May 2010, 20:51
ya, very true. but its not that bad, then again being a 19 year old 12B, nothing is 2 heavy to carry

Deaj
17 May 2010, 17:34
This is my first AR in roughly 20 years. My last was a late 80's Colt A2 HBAR rifle. For my new AR I wanted a more flexible platform, not for any critical use but rather as a means to familiarize myself with the current AR carbine and various accessories intended to improve function and/or ergonomics. This carbines primarily intended for range use and as a high powered plinker from 10 yards out to as far as 300 yards with most shooting within 100 yards. With that in mind most of the ammunition this carbine will send downrange will be commonly available .55gr .223 bulk factory loads. This platform will allow me to figure out what works best for me for different applications and then apply this knowledge when making future decisions on AR purchases or builds (building is a definite interest for the future).

The weapon: Smith & Wesson M&P15T
After a good bit of research, handling a wide variety of AR configurations (within Washington state law limitations), ands hooting a few at local ranges I decided that the current (manufactured in-house) Smith & Wesson M&P15T would be an ideal weapon to start with:
* 16" 1:9 barrel is appropriate for my intended use.
* 10" free-floating quad rail forend and uninterrupted top rail will allow for the use of just about any rail-mounted accessory and optics.
* Mil-spec receiver extension allows for a wide range of options for collapsible stock.
* Stock Troy BUIS may be removed and replaced if desired.
* Following the early quirks before S&W tooled up for in-house production the M&P15's seem to enjoy a reputation as a reliable and accurate AR (mine has proven itself worthy of this reputation with 2,000+ rounds downrange and not a single malfunction to date + accuracy beyond my current skill level).

** The trigger on my M&P15 is a fantastic example of how good a standard GI trigger can be. I haven't measured pull weight but it feels like 6-7 lbs. There's no creep and the break is crisp and consistent. It's very smooth as well - no grittiness.

Ergonomic modifications:

Collapsible stock: Magpul CTR w/ enhanced buttpad
I looked at most of the available aftermarket stocks and the Magpul CTR seemed to me to be the best candidate: lightweight (I found the M&P fairly well balanced with the standard M4 stock), friction lock provides a tight fit to the receiver extension, multiple options for attaching a sling. Since I found the AR-15 rifle stock to provide a sufficient cheek weld for me I had no need to look at wider stocks. The CTR was inexpensive enough to order sight unseen. It turned out to be a great decision as I find it to be very comfortable. I found the length of the CTR (and the M$ stock) shorter in length than I'd want fully extended. This was easily remedied by adding a Magpul enhanced buttpad to the CTR.

Pistol grip: Magpul MIAD
I initially switched out the stock A2 grip for a Hogue ergonomic grip. The palm swell made for a more comfortable grip but I found over time that my natural grip didn't fit the molded finger grooves. After picking up an AR equipped with a Magpul MIAD I decided to order one. The small backstrap w/o beavertail and no finger notch up front turned out to be the most comfortable for me. I have a 2-AA battery core in the grip (spares for the optic).

Forend covers / front grip: Ladder style rail covers
I have experimented with VFG's and the Magpul AFG and, so far, I appear to be most comfortable with a forend grip parallel to the bore. I also tried a few molded rail covers (the Magpul XTM's being my favorite of the bunch) but they increased the diameter of the forend enough that I wasn't getting as positive a grip up front as I'd like. I now have ladder style rail covers in place and I find they make for a positive and comfortable grip.


Functional modifications:

Trigger guard: Magpul enhanced aluminum trigger guard
Winter showed up not too long after I bought this weapon and I decided after one cold day at the range that a trigger guard that allows for shooting with gloved hands was an excellent idea. I picked up a Magpul aluminum trigger guard locally and installed it in minutes. The next trip to the range was more comfortable. This should be standard equipment on any AR in my opinion.

Charging handle: BCM/VLTOR Gunfighter Mod 4
This is just one of those things where, after reading the basic product copy, seemed like another one of those functional improvements that should be standard equipment on an AR. I ordered one up and installed it when it arrived and it has proven to be a significant functional improvement over a standard AR charging handle.

Bolt catch / release: Magpul B.A.D. lever
This also seemed to me to be a simple and very useful functional improvement to the AR platform. I ordered one and installed it and, just like the Gunfighter CH, this proved to provide a significant functional improvement over the standard catch/release paddle. It's also more solid than it looks.

Sling: Blackhawk V-TAC adjustable 2-point sling with QD swivels
I haven't used a sling much in the past and so this is my first real attemt to find a sling arrangement that works well for me. I'm down to two options: a 2-point configuration between a QD socket at the back of the receiver and a QD socket on the left side of the quad rail close to the receiver, and a quasi single-point arrangement where the sling attaches to QD sockets on both sides just behind the receiver. I seem to be favoring this second configuration but haven't completely decided yet. Fortunately the same length is required for both configurations so I can switch between them easily.

Sling mounts: Tango Down PR-4 and Troy low-profile rail QD swivel mount.
The Troy QD mount is pretty simple - low profile (just a little wider than one rail slot) and no sharp corners.
The PR-4 is a slick piece of kit: clamps around the buffer tube and the lower half of the castle nut, holds fast, no sharp edges, weighs less than 3 ounces, and provides three QD sockets one one each side and on at the back.

Buffer: Spikes ST-T2
I did some shooting swapping the stock H buffer and the ST-T2 every 10 rounds or so and the ST-T2 makes for smoother cycling and a slightly reduced recoil impulse. It's a minor difference but I found it noticeable enough to warrant keeping the Spikes buffer installed.

Muzzle device BCE Battle Comp (Update 7/2/2010)
I've been reading about compensators for a while now trying to decide which to go with. There seems to be some measure of compromise when choosing a muzzle device for a specific function (i.e. KAC 3T reportedly produce more noise and flash than, say, an A2 flash hider). After reading the overwhelmingly positive feedback from BCE Battle Comp users regarding its performance as a dedicated compensator while producing about the same flash and noise as an A2 I decided to give it a go. I'm very pleased with the Battle Comp! As many report it seems to eliminate muzzle rise altogether. Iit's easy to keep the reticle or sights on target so follow-up shot speed is more dependent upon how quickly I can pull the trigger and not how fast I can get the muzzle back on target. I can't comment on flash as I have not had opportunity to shoot in low light / night conditions. Shooters on either side of me had no issue with concussive noise, no more than with the A2 anyway.

Optics: Eotech 512 for short range (and... still experimenting with long range scopes - no decision here yet)
Both LED and laser based RDS/HWS tend to bloom just a bit with my eyes - not so much as to make them unusable, just less sharp than others see them by description and by photograph. Of the sights I've tried to date the Eotech is my favorite and works best with my eyes. I definitely see the Eotech reticle clearly enough for it to function as intended for me. I also prefer the absolute cowitness provided by the Eotech integral mount with flip up BUIS. I'm proficient with iron sights and I'm fast becoming proficient with RDS/HWS sights as well.
I have a Primary Arms 4.5-14x scope and mount as my first long range scope ever. I am enjoying shooting 200-300 yard distances with it and I may look into other options for long range optics in the future.

Sights: Troy flip-up BUIS (stock) with KNS .034 bead top front sight post
While reading though posts and articles online I found reference to KNS front sight posts (a round crosshair post I believe) which led to a visit to the KNS site. The bead-top front sight posts they offer caught my interest (the thought being that a round bead would naturally center in a round aperture). I ordered the smallest diameter bead top post they make (.034) and, as I suspected, it does indeed center naturally in the round rear sight aperture. This post is more fragile than the stock post and might not be an ideal choice for combat use for that reason. This is not a service weapon so it works out just fine for me. I would almost certainly order a larger diameter version of this front sight post for any use where the current post might be considered too fragile.

Light / mount: Streamlight PolyTac LED & VLTOR Scout Offset light mount
There's not much to this decision. The Streamlight PolyTac LED is lightweight, rugged, and provides 130 lumens for 3 hours continuous use. The VLTOR Scout offset mount is lightweight and it keeps the light tight to the corner of the rail placing the end cap switch within comfortable reach of my thumb.

Other accessories: Harris 6-9" swivel bipod / GG&G rail mount
Not much to say about this one. I use it with the PA 14x scope for long range shooting. Works as intended.



The final configuration turned out to be fairly simple, lightweight, and easy to change configuration for long range shooting. This carbine is definitely serving its intended purpose perfectly. I'm planning to start my first build later this year, once I've decided fully what the focus of my next AR will be.

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Texag
6 June 2010, 16:02
I started shopping for an AR during the dark time of early 2009. I initially put down a deposit on a LMT MRP and settled in for the 6+ month wait. Around month 5 I walked into my shop, handled a DDM4, was very impressed, and used my MRP deposit on it. I went for it because it is relatively lightweight, required very few modifications to get it where I wanted it, and is made by a reputable company who puts out quality products that they stand behind. It is my HD rifle and has also been on an ill fated coyote hunting trip. Hopefully more coyote/hog hunting is in its future. It might also serve as a duty rifle depending on the policies of the department I get hired by. (hopefully by October)

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Paint: I occasionally use this rifle for hunting, and I just think it looks good. Added bonus of not heating up as bad under the Texas sun as flat black.

X300: durable, lightweight, has a good beam, and is perfect for mounting at 12:00. I have since moved it to the furthest forward slot on the rail and wrap my thumb over the top rail, activating the light with my knuckle.

AFG: more comfy for me (long arms). Stippled for better purchase.

H1 in DD tall mount: durable, always on, lightweight, simple. Not much more needs to be said. Never had a problem with head position keeping me from seeing the dot.

MOE grip: more comfy than the A2, stores spare light and optic batteries.

BAD:Makes reloading slightly faster, really helps with malfunction clearance and admin unloading.

Sling (not pictured): Not left on when in HD role. I have a VTAC and VCAS, can't decide which I like better. Leaning towards the VCAS at the moment.

Planned upgrades

3x mag in Larue FTS mount: will make distance shooting slightly easier without affecting close range shooting.

Folding rear BUIS: Necessary for 3x mag use.

New trigger: Will most likely get a LWRCI or Spikes enhanced trigger, but have not heard detailed reviews of either.

Battlecomp: Greatly reduced recoil with no noise penalty seems to be the report so far. I am intrigued as the FSC556 seems like it would still be unkind to other shooters on the line.

Aragorn
7 June 2010, 00:51
Beautiful rifle Texag. That's one of the finest snakeskin style camo jobs I've ever seen.