Share your stupid range/gun shop stories here

[Eric]

There's range/gun shop know-it-all's everywhere. I'll start with a story from yesterday. I was at a local range shooting pistol and a guy showed up to try out his new .380. His gun handling skills were atrocious and it turns out he instructs a very basic intro to handgun class of sorts.

After managing to put some rounds into the dirt, the aforementioned shooter began to tell me about his awesome Taurus...you know...the same one the army uses. He was talking about the Taurus PT92. According to our expert, Beretta does not make pistols, they are all made by Taurus in Brazil for Beretta. I tried to point out the difference between the Beretta 92FS (aka M9) and his Taurus PT92, as well as the US military requirement for the M9 to be made in the US, but to no avail. It was somewhat amusing.

[Battle Cock]

There's range/gun shop know-it-all's everywhere. I'll start with a story from yesterday. I was at a local range shooting pistol and a guy showed up to try out his new .380. His gun handling skills were atrocious and it turns out he instructs a very basic intro to handgun class of sorts.

After managing to put some rounds into the dirt, the aforementioned shooter began to tell me about his awesome Taurus...you know...the same one the army uses. He was talking about the Taurus PT92. According to our expert, Beretta does not make pistols, they are all made by Taurus in Brazil for Beretta. I tried to point out the difference between the Beretta 92FS (aka M9) and his Taurus PT92, as well as the US military requirement for the M9 to be made in the US, but to no avail. It was somewhat amusing.

Proud fools are dangerous.

I worked at a gun shop in California for a very short time when I was 21. One day I was having a conversation with the owner about the various gun restrictive bills in the legislature and he expressed anger that a bill banning online purchases of ammunition in the state had failed. After I got over my initial confusion and asked why, he told me he wanted it to pass so his ammo sales would skyrocket. I left every ounce of respect that I had for him in that gun shop when I left that evening and never returned to work or spend money.

[Jerry R]

Way back when ... still living in Nashville (mid 80's), a large gun shop with a small range in the basement was a frequent hangout for me. Knew all the guys - nice, reasonably knowledgeable, and willing to listen - good place to visit and buy.

Went in one day and "Bob" was limping. "Bob" was about 6'3" and around 275 - a big boy, and not all muscle ;). I asked him what was wrong. He said, "I shot myself in the ass." Details of the story - he had a Baby Browning .25 in a small of the back holster and was downstairs practicing his presentation. That Browning was smaller than his palm. He put a 25 caliber ball round through his left cheek. Through-and-through clean wound channel. I said that must have really hurt. His response brought tears to my eyes (laughing) ... "Not as much as when they ran an antiseptic swab back and forth through the hole a dozen times!".

[SwissyJim]

Couple of years ago I was at the local public range. I was with my wife, showing her a few things and testing some loads. A car pulls up to the bank of lanes I'm on, and a couple of young guys get out and literally start unboxing a couple of AR's. I saw them spinning the mags a couple of times trying to figure out how to load them. They got them loaded finally, and the first guy steps up to the line and starts mag dumping from the hip. About halfway thru the first mag, he spins around and yells rather loudly (earmuffs) to his buddy, "This is F&%$*!^G Great!! I can see why everybody buys these things!!!".

Well, when he spun around to yell at his buddy he still had his finger. I saw him spinning and ducked while pulling my wife over and down behind the bench (shocked the hell outta her as she was looking the other way) and the guy next to us did the same thing. And this idiot just stood there looking at us like we were morons, still with his finger on the trigger. Before I could say/do anything the guy next to use starts yelling at him, telling him to point the gun downrange, and gets over to him before I could. Turns out he was one of the RSO's that was off that day and he got the weapon from the dude and fires off a round downrange all while explaining that THAT exact round had just covered everyone on the range we were at. They were then escorted away to the office for what I would assume was a rather once sided chat.

I stopped by the office when we left and bought the upgraded membership that allows me access to the range on the 'closed to the public' days. I figure those that are willing to pay the higher cost are (hopefully) safer to shoot around. Now I pretty much only go on those days and have yet to have any other issues.

[Former11B]

I was at an outdoor range run by our state Department of natural resources. I like shooting there because it's 100 yards and outdoors and not too far away. And it's also free. A buddy of mine and I always meet each other at it to shoot and catch up on each others lives etc. when the range is cold. Some fellows probably similar to ones previously discussed in this thread had set up on a bench several seats down, and during a "cold" range while people were fixing/setting up targets, One of them was tinkering around with the bolt and scope on a larger bolt action rifle. I called down to him to please stop messing with his rifle while folks were down range. He sort of grinned at me and said " it's not loaded." and proceeded to pull the trigger, which touched off around which sent it downrange. Fortunately, my friend who had been fixing his target was the last one down there, and had come most of the way back along the far right boundary of the lane so he was not close to the path the bullet traveled. I started making my way to the shooter while yelling at him...he went back to the car and stayed there while his friends shot for a little bit but they also left shortly thereafter.


I blame any spelling errors on Siri's voice to text

[Former11B]

Thought of one more:

I was in Palmetto State Armory's large store front in Columbia one time and a customer had brought in an AR pistol with him because he wanted to look at optics. He already had a cheap knock off 30mm red dot and several different NCStar lights and lasers on it with the pigtail cables running around the fore grip. He wanted to look at an OFFSET microdot mount to run in conjunction with his other red dot. When my friend and I saw and heard, we stopped to watch the exchange. The employee said he didn't have any reflex style optic other than an RMR (which the customer promptly said was too expensive) do the employee hands him a Vortex Sparc just to say "this is the smallest one we have". The guy MOUNTS IT on his offset mount he had rigged up and practiced looking through the primary and rotating to the new alternate Sparc. At this point I laughed out loud and the employee saw us cracking up and tried to stay composed while we turned to leave. Like they say, a fool and his money are soon parted

[cjd3]

I got back into shooting during a panic, and shooting supplies were scarce and sought after. I am assuming because of fighting over spent brass, you could may police your own brass. Including the brass your friend was shooting,mans what was on the point before you. Well, well after that time, I was shooting mostly by myself at the pistol range. I was done, and policing my wheelgun brass and the .45 that was left before me. Old grumpy RSO came up to me, "you can't pick up brass you didn't shoot, and I can see that because none of your handguns are .45 ACP." Thankfully he retired.

[voodoo_man]

Ever seen a guy shoot his AR15 without sights....you know....to function check it....hitting the ar500 baffle above the target....

I yelled a few times and then just took the gun from him.

[Eric]

One I recalled from a number of years ago.
I was at a gun shop actually planning on making a purchase, not just fingering the goods. I overheard one rather boisterous employee behind the counter talking to a customer about how unsafe cops are with guns and he proceeded to claim to have insider info on how locally one cop had shot another and killed him. I was very much familiar with the incident and it was actually a DV were the bad guy murdered the officer, shooting him with a rifle. After a discussion with the owner of the business, I learned the employee was let go. They had apparently had other issues with him as well.

[gatordev]

Last weekend, I was setting up at the 100. When I got there, there was a group of three guys trying to zero an AR. There was The Expert, who was shooting the gun. The Sidekick, who was helping (and sometimes having to correct The Expert), and The Third Guy, who was spotting and...I'm not sure what he was doing. He may have even owned the AR.

There were already at least 30 5.56 casings on the ground when I walked up. They had a target at the 50 and at the 100 (you can't bring a target any closer than 50 on this lane).

At least 50 rounds later, they realize that the MBus Pro front sight isn't adjusting when they make the inputs. They've been trying to trouble-shoot the zero while shooting at the 100. I have no idea why they don't start on the target at the 50. Once they realize the sight issue, The Expert declares something is loose and they should move on to zeroing the RDS (a brand new MRO). They start to sight that in and The Expert declares that he's got the windage dialed all the way in on the MRO and it's still not centered. The Expert goes to make a phone call!

Meanwhile, at this point I say to The Sidekick, "Hey, mind if I make a suggestion? Why don't you guys walk down to the 50 lane and start shooting at the target at 25?"

Sidekick: "Well that's what we're doing!"

Me: "You're shooting a target at 50 yards. You'll see the error much easier if you start down at 25."

Sidekick: <vague sound of acknowledgment> "Well he's coming back from calling his buddy...." Turns to Third Guy and talks about something else.

Me: Shrugs as I go back to putting MOA-ish groups on my target with my MK12.

[UWone77]

I rarely go into any shops anymore other than Rainier, but here's one of the biggest WTF pictures I've ever seen in a gun publication. I've posted this picture before, but I thought I'd share again:


http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/10247254_10207943299450458_6648762474770707675_n_z psk0vairub.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/10247254_10207943299450458_6648762474770707675_n_z psk0vairub.jpg.html)

[alamo5000]

I rarely go into any shops anymore other than Rainier, but here's one of the biggest WTF pictures I've ever seen in a gun publication. I've posted this picture before, but I thought I'd share again:


http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af282/richdkim77/10247254_10207943299450458_6648762474770707675_n_z psk0vairub.jpg (http://s1016.photobucket.com/user/richdkim77/media/10247254_10207943299450458_6648762474770707675_n_z psk0vairub.jpg.html)

They did that to simulate shooting at 10,000 yards :)

[Battle Cock]

They did that to simulate shooting at 10,000 yards :)

Well if they grouped like that at 25yd with the scope set up that way then color me impressed. Though, It looks like a 2 shot "group" 3 max.

From the looks of it, someone did a lot of work to set it up that way. Its not like they just remounted a QD mount on backwards or something.

[Army203]

While living in Washington and going back to school I worked part time in a local fun store. This store also has an indoor range, so I have seen countless acts of Asshattery on said range. This shop also would also rent the range out to many local LE agencies and Security companies for qualifications. Which leads to some....learning curves we'll just say. Like small caliber holes in floors.

Since is also located close to a military base. They would also get a lot of military professionals for diverse skill level with firearms coming into the shop. Needless to say, they are also the biggest violators of keeping your finger off the bang switch. So, while working the counter on a slow day. A regular of the shop comes in to pay for a class for him and his wife. Figures they will take it together so she'll listen and learn gun safety yada yada yada. This guy is also with 1st SF group and holds the rank of E-8. While talking about how he just put some new sights on his Glock 19 he reaches back to show myself and my co-worker. Before we can tell him "NO" he breaks leather and "BANG!" shoots himself right in the ass. Leaving another hole in the floor in front of the register. Not a lot of blood for an ass wound, really hard to talk to 911 when your ears are ringing.

This shop, sometime later, also had the person who teaches the range safety class shoot themselves in the hand with a .380. I don't even want to tell you the store slogan...

Something about professionals training and what not. Needless to say, complacency is a bitch.

[gatordev]

Everybody is a an operator, no one is a cook.

I know of a particular individual who is part of Commander's Action Group, Development (as given in the "Outlook properties" on the work email). Think about what that means for a moment. That doesn't mean this particular individual is kicking doors down (and I know they aren't, but is still highly respected). I'm just saying just because someone is "with" 1st SFOD, doesn't mean they're "actually" SFOD...if you know what I mean.

[Army203]

Everybody is a an operator, no one is a cook.

I know of a particular individual who is part of Commander's Action Group, Development (as given in the "Outlook properties" on the work email). Think about what that means for a moment. That doesn't mean this particular individual is kicking doors down (and I know they aren't, but is still highly respected). I'm just saying just because someone is "with" 1st SFOD, doesn't mean they're "actually" SFOD...if you know what I mean.

No, this guy was long tabbed and part of an ODA.

[gatordev]

No, this guy was long tabbed and part of an ODA.

Copy. Yeah, that's not good. And by the way, obviously you got what I meant, but was speaking generally. Didn't mean to suggest you haven't seen your share of wannabes.

[Pyzik]

I was at a training conference for my previous employer. I was carrying. During one of the breaks a lady came up to me...

LADY: "I notice you're carrying, can I ask you a question?"
ME: Sure
L: "I carry too, I have a gun in my car I just picked up recently and I can't seem to get it to load. Do you think you could take a look at it?"
M: Absolutly.

So after "class" I went out to her car with her. She had picked up a Keltec P11 from her local gun store. She had ammo that she purchase WITH the gun, from the same salesman at the same time as the gun.
The guy sold her .357 Sig ammo....

She had the mag loaded and couldn't figure out why one wouldn't load into the chamber.
I downloaded my spare mag and filled her mag with some 124gr Gold Dots so she would have at least something working with her. Told her NOT to go back to the store or at LEAST to that guy and get some 9mm ammo.

[Battle Cock]

I was at a training conference for my previous employer. I was carrying. During one of the breaks a lady came up to me...

LADY: "I notice you're carrying, can I ask you a question?"
ME: Sure
L: "I carry too, I have a gun in my car I just picked up recently and I can't seem to get it to load. Do you think you could take a look at it?"
M: Absolutly.

So after "class" I went out to her car with her. She had picked up a Keltec P11 from her local gun store. She had ammo that she purchase WITH the gun, from the same salesman at the same time as the gun.
The guy sold her .357 Sig ammo....

She had the mag loaded and couldn't figure out why one wouldn't load into the chamber.
I downloaded my spare mag and filled her mag with some 124gr Gold Dots so she would have at least something working with her. Told her NOT to go back to the store or at LEAST to that guy and get some 9mm ammo.

Some people simply shouldn't work in this industry.

I had a new LGS start up near my hometown recently and the ownership started posting on local gun groups advertising G2 R.I.P. Ammo as the ultimate self defense round.
I responded to his posts telling him that since this is America, that he's free to market a gimmick for profit but asked that he be honest with himself about the ammo for the sake of the uninformed. I provided independent ballistics testing of the round and warnings regarding personal liability in a civil suit.
His response was one that deflected all responsibility of self defense related purchases onto the customer. So I flat out told him that as a provider of security products he had a responsibility to provide people with dependable, effective products and to take pride in being able to supply those tools and knowledge.
I finished by stating that people who get into the gun industry with the sole mindset of making money never last long, and that it's irresponsible to take such a nonchalant approach to an industry on which lives depend.

He deleted all of his posts.

[Deadwing]

While living in Washington and going back to school I worked part time in a local fun store. This store also has an indoor range, so I have seen countless acts of Asshattery on said range. This shop also would also rent the range out to many local LE agencies and Security companies for qualifications. Which leads to some....learning curves we'll just say. Like small caliber holes in floors.

Since is also located close to a military base. They would also get a lot of military professionals for diverse skill level with firearms coming into the shop. Needless to say, they are also the biggest violators of keeping your finger off the bang switch. So, while working the counter on a slow day. A regular of the shop comes in to pay for a class for him and his wife. Figures they will take it together so she'll listen and learn gun safety yada yada yada. This guy is also with 1st SF group and holds the rank of E-8. While talking about how he just put some new sights on his Glock 19 he reaches back to show myself and my co-worker. Before we can tell him "NO" he breaks leather and "BANG!" shoots himself right in the ass. Leaving another hole in the floor in front of the register. Not a lot of blood for an ass wound, really hard to talk to 911 when your ears are ringing.

This shop, sometime later, also had the person who teaches the range safety class shoot themselves in the hand with a .380. I don't even want to tell you the store slogan...

Something about professionals training and what not. Needless to say, complacency is a bitch.

I know that place. I'd been shooting there for years when they started requiring people to take their joke of a range safety class and get a range card.

So, was the E-8 who shot himself in the ass still a regular after his little incident? :P

[Eric]

While living in Washington and going back to school I worked part time in a local fun store. This store also has an indoor range, so I have seen countless acts of Asshattery on said range. This shop also would also rent the range out to many local LE agencies and Security companies for qualifications. Which leads to some....learning curves we'll just say. Like small caliber holes in floors. Was that shop in the greater Pierce County area? Off of SR512?

[Army203]

I know that place. I'd been shooting there for years when they started requiring people to take their joke of a range safety class and get a range card.

So, was the E-8 who shot himself in the ass still a regular after his little incident? :P

You know why they have that range safety class? Liability insurance, some young Army guys were playing fuck fuck on the range, and one of them got shot.


Was that shop in the greater Pierce County area? Off of SR512?

Oh, I am sure you have heard of it.

[Deadwing]

You know why they have that range safety class? Liability insurance, some young Army guys were playing fuck fuck on the range, and one of them got shot.

I figured it was something along those lines.

[SwissyJim]

How about the opposite? Anyone ever have someone really shine, or at least not be an asshat? I was at the range today function testing and chrono-ing some 458Socom stuff and a guy came up and was asking questions, really looking for help as he was obviously a new AR platform shooter. Since it was just the two of us on the lanes we were at I spent some time with him and even tho I am by NO means an expert, I was able to answer some questions and help him get started. Some people have soured me towards going on public days, but if more people were like this guy I'd be more happy to go anytime.

[UWone77]

How about the opposite? Anyone ever have someone really shine, or at least not be an asshat? I was at the range today function testing and chrono-ing some 458Socom stuff and a guy came up and was asking questions, really looking for help as he was obviously a new AR platform shooter. Since it was just the two of us on the lanes we were at I spent some time with him and even tho I am by NO means an expert, I was able to answer some questions and help him get started. Some people have soured me towards going on public days, but if more people were like this guy I'd be more happy to go anytime.

Amazing what attitude will do for everyone involved. I still go to the range and learn something new from somebody. Most guys put all kinds of shit on their gun, the biggest $100 scope, $50 Barska laser, and then suddenly they've been anointed the expert.

[BoilerUp]

How about the opposite? Anyone ever have someone really shine, or at least not be an asshat? I was at the range today function testing and chrono-ing some 458Socom stuff and a guy came up and was asking questions, really looking for help as he was obviously a new AR platform shooter. Since it was just the two of us on the lanes we were at I spent some time with him and even tho I am by NO means an expert, I was able to answer some questions and help him get started. Some people have soured me towards going on public days, but if more people were like this guy I'd be more happy to go anytime.

I shoot primarily at an outdoor private range facility. I've only had one bad experience with another member who was "socially challenged". A fair amount of people keep to themselves except for the necessary range communications but I've had some really great interactions with fellow shooters, e.g., looking through each other's scopes, checking out equipment. I even had one guy ask me to shoot a few rounds through his AR with 25x optic at 200 yards becasue he was off paper and wanted to spot while I shot so he could call the shots. I was perfectly OK shooting his gun and ammo! :)

The one bad experience was at least partly my fault. The guy was shooting a muzzle loader in a 25 yard small berm (on a 200 yard range). I thought the small berms were only for rimfire so I questioned him on it and he got pretty pissy. What he was doing was fine, and I was just trying to keep him from accidentally violating the range rules but we wasn't real pleasant for the rest of my stay, even after I tried to strike up some casual conversation about shooting muzzle loaders. Oh well, you can't win them all, and it's not like I'm really looking for new friends.

[DutyUse]

After reading y'alls range stories I'm reminded how lucky I am to be able to open my back door, walk out and go shooting anytime..

That said I've pretty much quit allowing new shooters over. Doesn't seem to matter how many times you tell someone to please not shoot the steel targets with rifles at close range. I had one know it all guy ruin two in the same day ugh

[DeviantLogic]

The gun club I'm a member of has some great, very knowledgeable guys there. Granted there's the occasional douchebag that sets up at the range, but most the guys I've met there have been shooting for 20+ years, don't put up with any BS, and just want to shoot. Go to the LGS that has an indoor range, open to the public, and I get the heebie jeebies.

[Battle Cock]

The gun club I'm a member of has some great, very knowledgeable guys there. Granted there's the occasional douchebag that sets up at the range, but most the guys I've met there have been shooting for 20+ years, don't put up with any BS, and just want to shoot. Go to the LGS that has an indoor range, open to the public, and I get the heebie jeebies.

Last time I went to one of the LGS indoor ranges in my hometown, I took a ricochet to the chest off the angled steel backstop 40yd away. The impact was hard enough to draw blood. It was about 40% of a .45 round from the guy next to me and when I started looking around, I found bullet fragments all over behind the firing line including the complete lead core of a .45. Upon informing the RSO, I was informed that he'd seen a round come back and strike the rear wall the previous day. He didn't seem the slightest bit concerned about it either.
I got a refund and I haven't even dreamed of shooting there since.

[SwissyJim]

Last time I went to one of the LGS indoor ranges in my hometown, I took a ricochet to the chest off the angled steel backstop 40yd away. The impact was hard enough to draw blood. It was about 40% of a .45 round from the guy next to me and when I started looking around, I found bullet fragments all over behind the firing line including the complete lead core of a .45. Upon informing the RSO, I was informed that he'd seen a round come back and strike the rear wall the previous day. He didn't seem the slightest bit concerned about it either.
I got a refund and I haven't even dreamed of shooting there since.

wow. simply wow.

[Deadwing]

Last time I went to one of the LGS indoor ranges in my hometown, I took a ricochet to the chest off the angled steel backstop 40yd away. The impact was hard enough to draw blood. It was about 40% of a .45 round from the guy next to me and when I started looking around, I found bullet fragments all over behind the firing line including the complete lead core of a .45. Upon informing the RSO, I was informed that he'd seen a round come back and strike the rear wall the previous day. He didn't seem the slightest bit concerned about it either.
I got a refund and I haven't even dreamed of shooting there since.

That is all sorts of f#$%ed up.

[DeviantLogic]

Happens more often than you might think...always wear good eye pro at the indoor ranges!

[Battle Cock]

Happens more often than you might think...always wear good eye pro at the indoor ranges!

Coincidentally this happened very shortly after I overheard the LGS owner tell someone he was holding off on maintenance because he didn't want to put more money into the place.

[Pyzik]

While not from the range, I have to post some of what our safety guy has told me.
Keep in mind, he is a self proclaimed retired Army Ranger, Special Forces Sniper, Airborn & weapons expert.

Things I've learned from him:
Bushmaster and DPMS are two of the best ARs someone can buy. They are TRUE mil-spec and they're barrels are individually inspected.
5.56 bounces off bones inside your body, that's why it's such a lethal round.
You NEED a comp on an AR to get follow up shots. They've got recoil!
.308 will go through just about anything. Cars, armor, vests. It's a 1000 yard round all day.
Condor is military issued and just as good as names like Arc'Teryx, Patagonia, ect.
Special Forces wear Merrils. You cannot buy a better shoe/boot.
Clips.
The M1A is THE baddest badass weapons. It will NOT jam.

...

90% of the shit he says makes my head hurt. I used to try to correct him but he's just too far gone.
I will say that the long range stuff brought up in discussion is mostly accurate and he does have quite a very nice custom Rem 700. I do think he was probably a marksman of some sort with a bolt action.

[Former11B]

Was at a pretty nice outdoor range last week and the RSO said "Hey, when you go downrange, check the ground for bullet tracks in the dirt". Sure enough, it looked like someone had raked the ground in one spot. I told him what I saw and he said "Yeah...I kicked a group of real winners out a little while ago". They are very serious about bullets striking the berm there to prevent any ricochets that might angle up and over the berm and travel about 1200 meters on the other side of the 200 yard berm into a sparsely populated, but populated nonetheless, area. They don't want anything to jeopardize the range's existence. Seems like every day you hear about a near ordinance being written putting a 20+ year old range out of business because a subdivision gets built nearby and people complain about the noise and "danger"

[Josh S.]

Went to the local outdoor range yesterday and there was a 60-something year old man with his two grandsons, probably 16 and 12, shooting at the bench next to mine. We had gone through one full round of shooting and were halfway through the second round when I overheard the 16 year old kid say, "Grandpa I found the safety!" and the man and younger boy walk over to the bench to see where it is. I packed up my stuff and snagged a bench 10 lanes down.

[Thompson]

The M1A is THE baddest badass weapons. It will NOT jam.
This pretty much explains it all.

To be fair, he could mean the old Bushmaster, right? [BD]

[Battle Cock]

I am continually baffled by the affect Hollywood has on the way people think about firearms. It has resulted in some of the most asinine things I've ever heard.

Case in point:
Today I was doing a side job at a coworker's house and after I noted a Glock on the shelf, I initiated some conversation regarding firearms, and after hearing his obviously false stories about his handgun groupings at 80 yards, our conversation turned toward customization. I showed off my freshly finished G19 build (Just got it back from machining!) and he posited a question that at first confused me, and later baffled me at its applied ignorance.

Guy: Oh! Dude! Have you honed your barrel??
Me: Honed...?
Guy: Yeah, like floated it.
Me: Free... floated... a handgun barrel?
Guy: Yeah?
Me: ...Free floating a Glock barrel is a terrible idea. *Explains why*
Guy: Ohhhhh, no. Thats not what I mean. I had brother in law who is a machinist do the inside.
Me: The inside of the barrel???
Guy: Yeah! So, like i can use it as a throwaway. So, if I shoot somebody, the cops can't trace it to my gun because the bullet won't touch the inside of the barrel.
Me:.....
Guy: You know, I could like throw it in a lake or something after.
Me: ....What the F***??

[DUX]

@Battle Cock: I would walk away from that with the same feeling that I get when a gay guy hits on me. I'm disgusted, but also kind of flattered, then ashamed, and a little bit mad, then sad that it wasn't a woman. Then I figure take your strokes where you can get them. He thought you were a "cool dude." He just wanted to impress ya! Maybe buy you a drink later. Maybe something more if you layed down the right signals. :)

[Pyzik]

With DUX going on all last night he had me thinking of the guy I work with. Delta Army Ranger Airborne Operator Commando.

Here is what I've heard so far today.

"ALL real operators use Mechanix gloves. Oakley and Magpul, ect, are for cops.
Real operators wear Mechanix cause that's what they call themselves. They're mechanics when it's time to 'get out the tools and go to work'."

Just so all you guys know, you're doing it wrong unless you're wearing Mechanix.