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Battle Cock
16 January 2016, 14:22
This is a project I have mentioned in passing on some other threads so I figured I'd create a place to document it.

I'll start this build thread by acknowledging a couple things.
Yes, I know I could buy ANY big name custom Glock 19 on the market for the price of this build.
Yes, it would have been more cost effective to buy a frame and build up from there
Yes, since technically I am starting with a complete firearm and upgrading it, this is not a true "build" thread.

That said, this is a personal project. The aim here is to build a gun that is MY perfection. Not "Glock Perfection" as it comes from the factory. I aim for this to be a learning experience and a personal challenge to push myself to producing a top tier finished product for myself. I decided early on that cost effectiveness would play only a minimal role (if any) in parts and mod selection.

* Indicates parts already acquired

Parts list:


New Glock 19 *
Ghost 3.5lb Edge trigger connector
Glock extended slide stop lever *
Lone Wolf Stainless guide rod and captured recoil spring *
Trijicon RMR Adjustable LED - 3.25 MOA Red Dot *
Apex Action Enhancement Trigger body
Trijicon Suppressor Night Sights (black ring) *
Surefire XC-1 (Possibly X300U) *
Wilson Combat Threaded G19 Barrel
RM63 RMR Mount Sealing Plate
Maritime Spring Cups
Stainless Steel Pin Set
Pierce Grip Plug



Frame Mods: (Done by myself)


Minor frontstrap reduction
Reduced finger grooves
Minimalist magwell cuts
Thumb groove/web contour
Glove bevel
Medium mag release bevel
Recessed stippling borders
Speed shelf
Brand new texture pattern, name pending
Complete trigger guard contour
High grade polish



Slide work


Add top front serrations
Enhanced rear serrations
Add side front serrations
RMR cut
Slide refinish
45 degree corner cuts with top front serrations wrapping down to front serrations.



All told, here are my projected totals:
Parts : $1920.0 (including stock G19)
Machining: $600-$700
I value the frame work I will do at $350 (conservatively)

So all told, its looking like I'll be about $2600.00 out of pocket for this build and I can value its overall production at around $3000.00

I'll post pictures during the process even some WIP pictures during stippling.

Jerry R
16 January 2016, 14:37
Wow! Really looking forward to watching this thread BC. Awesome project.

schambers
16 January 2016, 15:02
Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

Sounds a lot like the glock 19 project I finished for myself a while back. Ended up getting carried away and replaced or modifying ALL the stock parts, with the exception of the locking block... Still waiting on someone to make an aftermarket one.

I ended up building a nice glock that wasn't light years above a stock gun. Sounds like you are being realistic about what the end product will be though.

All that being said, that g19 is one of the favorite guns in my collection and definitely the only gun that I would never consider selling.

Ps. I think you should budget for some laser engraving to really personalize the project.

Pps. I don't know if they are still in production, but if they are, I would suggest buying some maritime spring cups. They are a cheap piece and will allow your glock to cycle after being submerged in water or underwater... And that's kinda neat

Battle Cock
16 January 2016, 15:22
Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

Sounds a lot like the glock 19 project I finished for myself a while back. Ended up getting carried away and replaced or modifying ALL the stock parts, with the exception of the locking block... Still waiting on someone to make an aftermarket one.

I ended up building a nice glock that wasn't light years above a stock gun. Sounds like you are being realistic about what the end product will be though.

All that being said, that g19 is one of the favorite guns in my collection and definitely the only gun that I would never consider selling.

Ps. I think you should budget for some laser engraving to really personalize the project.

Pps. I don't know if they are still in production, but if they are, I would suggest buying some maritime spring cups. They are a cheap piece and will allow your glock to cycle after being submerged in water or underwater... And that's kinda neat

You got pictures?

I've considered laser engraving, but I don't have anything that I want badly enough to pay to engrave on it. Maybe I'll consider some accent engraving instead of a logo or words.

I like the Maritime spring cup idea. I may add that to the parts list.

FortTom
16 January 2016, 15:31
This is not something that I would do for myself, but I am definitely impressed by these kinds of Glock mods. I used to pour some cash into 1911's back in the day, but it got to the point that they were so expensive, I didn't want to carry or shoot them. You can go crazy with a Glock, and as long as the mod's don't affect the reliability, you can still tuck it into your pants. Can't wait until you start posting pictures. This will be a must watch thread, that's for sure. [:D] P.S., In my "standard" Glock modification, I use the Maritime cups, and I think I might have a couple laying around somewhere if you can't find them. They are sometimes hit or miss, with them being in stock from the folks that sell them.

FT

Battle Cock
16 January 2016, 15:57
This is not something that I would do for myself, but I am definitely impressed by these kinds of Glock mods. I used to pour some cash into 1911's back in the day, but it got to the point that they were so expensive, I didn't want to carry or shoot them. You can go crazy with a Glock, and as long as the mod's don't affect the reliability, you can still tuck it into your pants. Can't wait until you start posting pictures. This will be a must watch thread, that's for sure. [:D] P.S., In my "standard" Glock modification, I use the Maritime cups, and I think I might have a couple laying around somewhere if you can't find them. They are sometimes hit or miss, with them being in stock from the folks that sell them.

FT
I'm browsing around and it looks like they should be pretty easy to get a hold of.
Im adding them to the parts list as well as a RM63 RMR Mount Sealing Plate.

Cotton68spc
16 January 2016, 16:01
Can not wait to see the finished product


Check me out on YouTube and Facebook

schambers
16 January 2016, 17:31
You got pictures?

I've considered laser engraving, but I don't have anything that I want badly enough to pay to engrave on it. Maybe I'll consider some accent engraving instead of a logo or words.


Fortunately I was able to get the machining, painting and laser work locally so I was able to CQ the entire process. Very interesting to watch the work as it was done.
Photo Dump; some before and after:

http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02471_zps3p5vwvl4.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02475_zpsgosh8tvm.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02474_zpsbz7jnqoo.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02472_zpsbziawjys.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02470_zpsomdzkt5z.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02469_zpscya7qmpz.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02468_zpsfawonnp3.jpg

After Paint:
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/DSC02078_zpszgiyadqw.jpg

During Machining:
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/Cut%20Glock%20Slide%201_zpsmjfsrdnc.jpg
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr188/stchambebigmoocow/Cut%20Glock%20Slide%202_zpsuyfm7nzt.jpg

Josh S.
16 January 2016, 17:50
Can't wait to see it all come together, BC! I remember my jaw dropped the first time you mentioned building a $2k Glock lol. I had no idea they could get this expensive.

P39
16 January 2016, 18:18
Looking forward to his for sure.

UWone77
16 January 2016, 18:32
BC, you get an FFL yet? You need to do some work for me. [:D]

schambers, I like your Glock. Simple yet elegant work.

schambers
16 January 2016, 19:30
Thanks

Axlnut
16 January 2016, 20:43
Going through the same process myself right now - was so torn between milling the slide myself or having someone else do it - my mill is 100% manual and I have no DROs - I make it work with simple cuts on 1911s with no issue, but some of the complex stuff just really lends itself to CNC for so many reasons. I'm right where you are BC - frame work all done by me, but the total number is still just somewhat staggering.

Can't wait to see yours [pop]

Battle Cock
16 January 2016, 22:03
Schambers, good work on that Glock. Did you do the stippling and grip mods?


Can't wait to see it all come together, BC! I remember my jaw dropped the first time you mentioned building a $2k Glock lol. I had no idea they could get this expensive.

It seems I underestimated the price tag last time I mentioned it.


BC, you get an FFL yet? You need to do some work for me. [:D]
I'm working on a solution for that problem which fits into my schedule and lifestyle. I'll definitely let you know when I am able to accept firearms for shipment or if I ever make it up to your neck of the woods.


Going through the same process myself right now - was so torn between milling the slide myself or having someone else do it - my mill is 100% manual and I have no DROs - I make it work with simple cuts on 1911s with no issue, but some of the complex stuff just really lends itself to CNC for so many reasons. I'm right where you are BC - frame work all done by me, but the total number is still just somewhat staggering.

Can't wait to see yours [pop]
I wouldn't mind having a manual mill, but I'd definitely leave the machining on this type of project to a subject matter expert with the proper tools.

schambers
17 January 2016, 08:51
Schambers, good work on that Glock. Did you do the stippling and grip mods?

Yep.

schambers
17 January 2016, 08:52
Schambers, good work on that Glock. Did you do the stippling and grip mods?

Yep.

mustangfreek
17 January 2016, 12:11
That's quite the list for a glock build there BC....I'm in for seeing the end results

Battle Cock
20 January 2016, 20:23
Got my new Nikon D5200 out today and snapped a photo of this glock in between shooting accessories. This is where its at right now. All acquired parts are installed except the RMR. I'm going to send the slide out for milling once I get my current living situation sorted out. Same goes for frame mods.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1648/23883793824_20b06fe319_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/CowFNG)DSC_0078 (https://flic.kr/p/CowFNG) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

tact
21 January 2016, 12:35
Interested to hear your take on the night sights with the RMR.....

Battle Cock
21 January 2016, 12:47
Interested to hear your take on the night sights with the RMR.....

We'll have to wait and see once I get it all assembled. I got the black rings, so visually they don't pop much in daylight. I've mocked it up a little, placing the RMR on the slide with the sights installed in low light and the sight picture doesn't seem too busy for me. We'll see though.

FortTom
21 January 2016, 13:31
BC,
Not to sound stupid, but how in the heck do you carry something like that, especially when you mount the optics? Custom holster? I'm kind of lost here..

FT

Battle Cock
21 January 2016, 13:34
FT, I may well need a custom holster for it if my modifications change the profile enough. And that's fine by me if it comes to it. But the RMR shouldn't interfere too much with most holsters, and if it does, it's not too terribly tough to make a cutout for it.

Edit: I'm also not necessarily building this with any intent to carry it. Though, I will likely experiment with carry configurations.

tact
21 January 2016, 14:08
There are plenty of holsters these days that handle the RMR quite well. I've been using the Eidolon myself and carry AIWB.

UWone77
21 January 2016, 21:00
Partially because of this thread, decided to throw down on my own Glock 19.

369

Battle Cock
21 January 2016, 21:06
Partially because of this thread, decided to throw down on my own Glock 19.

[:D] I love being a good influence. Our wallets can get together and commiserate.

FortTom
22 January 2016, 00:17
Wow, my G19 looks like a......well, a Glock 19. I'm sad.:(

Naytwan
22 January 2016, 03:15
Man, this thread makes me want to take a trip to the Glock Store. They are down the street from my job.

Army203
22 January 2016, 11:14
Reminds me to do some upgrades to my G19. I just don't see dropping that kind of money on a Glock when I could spend it on a 1911 or some nice S&W wheel guns. Still, they look sick.

sadmin
22 January 2016, 11:44
Looks like its going to be real nice!

I will say, ive been enjoying my Glockraft D.A.T. V2 and Wilson barrel in my G17; the trigger may become a standard upgrade like the sights.

Axlnut
25 January 2016, 13:49
I was about to pull the trigger on a LWD Timberwolf Compact (19) frame right before SHOT. I built on two of the fullsizes and liked them, and Salient had done some nice stippling work with them, they take it well. Really was up in the air on the slide, wanted something 17 length (19L) and really wild.

Then I saw the Agency NOC.

Now I'm scared I may fall into a stupid expensive [not a]Glock purchase :P

Battle Cock
30 January 2016, 16:21
I was about to pull the trigger on a LWD Timberwolf Compact (19) frame right before SHOT. I built on two of the fullsizes and liked them, and Salient had done some nice stippling work with them, they take it well. Really was up in the air on the slide, wanted something 17 length (19L) and really wild.

Then I saw the Agency NOC.

Now I'm scared I may fall into a stupid expensive [not a]Glock purchase :P

Yeah the barrel/comp combo on the NOC is pretty sick.

Progress update: I've spent a couple hours each day for the past 3-4 days destroying a couple ban state Glock mags for research purposes and I've created an entirely new texture pattern as well as a couple proprietary frame mod methods.

I'll post some WIPs of the process so yall can get a glimpse of what goes into it, but you can count on me leaving some stages out for opsec purposes.

Battle Cock
30 January 2016, 18:44
Rough contouring of the trigger guard and finger grooves is coming along nicely. I'm going to cut out the dremelling for the night so I don't bother the occupants of the apartments next door.
It's amazing how much this single modification to the trigger guard has changed the appearance already.
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/30/2fd7d1fd59075b53c90d25ea1eb13105.jpg

Battle Cock
1 February 2016, 15:17
Not a full shot of the frame, but I wanted to show off the polish on the underside of the trigger guard.
You'll also note the index cutouts that I have yet to name.
I've got almost all the surface prep done and I'm almost ready to start texturing.
19hrs of labor and counting.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160201/919e8d63191e3738012d0725fb8cae9e.jpg

Aragorn
1 February 2016, 16:17
Dude. For real, when you getting your FFL? I need work done! Lol.

I laugh but I'm totally being serious.

Battle Cock
1 February 2016, 19:40
Dude. For real, when you getting your FFL? I need work done! Lol.

I laugh but I'm totally being serious.

If I didn't "travel" 300 days out of the year then I'd already have it. The more gun work I do, the more I realize it's part of my calling. Texture work on this frame is ~80% done and my new texture is definitely on new level above what I've done in the past.

I'm tempted to post WIPs right now but the future certainty of getting an FFL and doing this professionally (in some capacity) means I should protect this part of the process.

UWone77
1 February 2016, 19:47
BC, I love your stipple work more than most "professionals"

What Suppressor sights are you using? I ordered some standard Trijicon sights, since I'm going to use a RMR, but I like those sights.

Battle Cock
1 February 2016, 20:07
BC, I love your stipple work more than most "professionals"

What Suppressor sights are you using? I ordered some standard Trijicon sights, since I'm going to use a RMR, but I like those sights.

Heh, I held a professionally stippled G19 before I ever tried it for myself. I remember thinking, "I could do this, but better." So I did. It just took 3 years.

The sights are Trijicon night suppressor sights with tritium inserts and black rings.

Aragorn
1 February 2016, 20:57
If I didn't "travel" 300 days out of the year then I'd already have it. The more gun work I do, the more I realize it's part of my calling. Texture work on this frame is ~80% done and my new texture is definitely on new level above what I've done in the past.

I'm tempted to post WIPs right now but the future certainty of getting an FFL and doing this professionally (in some capacity) means I should protect this part of the process.

I look forward to that day :)

Battle Cock
1 February 2016, 21:43
I look forward to that day :)

Do these whet your appetite?

27 hours of labor on the frame, all told. I still haven't decided what to call this texture pattern. Its not quite stippling anymore. Its something else. I'm still looking for a name for my version of what Agency calls the accelerator cut.
Its the most comfortable Glock I've ever touched.

Frame mods that ended up on this gun:

Minor frontstrap reduction
Reduced finger grooves
Minimalist magwell cuts
Thumb groove/web contour
Glove bevel
Medium mag release bevel
Recessed stippling borders
Index cut outs, (Speed shelf)
Brand new texture pattern, name pending
Complete trigger guard recontour
High grade polish

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1603/24470808880_f64b3162f8_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DhphVW)G19 (https://flic.kr/p/DhphVW) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1604/24672842551_f265ff6b3e_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DAfLv6)G19 (https://flic.kr/p/DAfLv6) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

UWone77
1 February 2016, 22:09
BC, Can you do a pattern, something like this? I like Piece Keeper Custom's stippling looks.

428

Josh S.
1 February 2016, 22:12
I'm speechless...no BS, that is hands down the cleanest, most professional looking texture job I've ever seen. Hats off to you, BC.

Battle Cock
1 February 2016, 22:21
BC, Can you do a pattern, something like this? I like Piece Keeper Custom's stippling looks.


Absolutely. That type of stippling is what we refer to as chaos stippling. That's a pretty refined version of it, but its essentially the first method attempted by anyone getting into stippling.

I can do it, but I've moved away from chaos stippling enough that my IG page bears the mantra "No Chaos in Perfection". My perfectionism makes me seek out more ordered patterns because they require far more skill to master.



I'm speechless...no BS, that is hands down the cleanest, most professional looking texture job I've ever seen. Hats off to you, BC.

I employed that texture method with the goal of increasing grip, but keeping rough/scratchiness at a minimum. It doesn't grab ANY fibers from my shirt or undershirt.

cjd3
1 February 2016, 23:58
Do these whet your appetite?

27 hours of labor on the frame, all told. I still haven't decided what to call this texture pattern. Its not quite stippling anymore. Its something else. I'm still looking for a name for my version of what Agency calls the accelerator cut.
Its the most comfortable Glock I've ever touched.

Frame mods that ended up on this gun:

Minor frontstrap reduction
Reduced finger grooves
Minimalist magwell cuts
Thumb groove/web contour
Glove bevel
Medium mag release bevel
Recessed stippling borders
Index cut outs, (Speed shelf)
Brand new texture pattern, name pending
Complete trigger guard recontour
High grade polish

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1603/24470808880_f64b3162f8_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DhphVW)G19 (https://flic.kr/p/DhphVW) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1604/24672842551_f265ff6b3e_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DAfLv6)G19 (https://flic.kr/p/DAfLv6) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr
That's impressive, looks like snakeskin.

P39
2 February 2016, 03:27
Again, BC.......Great work! I love the frame modes you've done on this build.

Aragorn
2 February 2016, 09:57
Do these whet your appetite?

27 hours of labor on the frame, all told. I still haven't decided what to call this texture pattern. Its not quite stippling anymore. Its something else. I'm still looking for a name for my version of what Agency calls the accelerator cut.
Its the most comfortable Glock I've ever touched.

Frame mods that ended up on this gun:

Minor frontstrap reduction
Reduced finger grooves
Minimalist magwell cuts
Thumb groove/web contour
Glove bevel
Medium mag release bevel
Recessed stippling borders
Index cut outs, (Speed shelf)
Brand new texture pattern, name pending
Complete trigger guard recontour
High grade polish

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1603/24470808880_f64b3162f8_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DhphVW)G19 (https://flic.kr/p/DhphVW) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1604/24672842551_f265ff6b3e_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DAfLv6)G19 (https://flic.kr/p/DAfLv6) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

Wants. Can't has. :(

Worse, I'm officially on the bandwagon now. Might be sending a G19 to Agency for slide work.

Maybe I just need to drop my frame off next time I'm up around Yip. God knows when that would be. ��

Battle Cock
2 February 2016, 11:47
Wants. Can't has. :(

Worse, I'm officially on the bandwagon now. Might be sending a G19 to Agency for slide work.

Maybe I just need to drop my frame off next time I'm up around Yip. God knows when that would be. ��

Can has. Just has to wait! I'll be in AZ for a couple more months before migrating back up north your direction.

I'm still looking for a name for the texture.
In naming my guns I tend toward mythology with emphasis on the Nordic.
I think I'm going to call this project Vali, but any name ideas for the texture are welcome.

Aragorn
2 February 2016, 14:02
Can has. Just has to wait! I'll be in AZ for a couple more months before migrating back up north your direction.

I'm still looking for a name for the texture.
In naming my guns I tend toward mythology with emphasis on the Nordic.
I think I'm going to call this project Vali, but any name ideas for the texture are welcome.

For some reason thought you were up that direction. I'm actually down in Texas, but I fly a lot of freight up near the Detroit area when things are in full swing.

Innyhoo, time should be on my side. I still have actually GET a G19 (hopefully next week) and then send the slide to Agency, and their lead time isn't what I'd call super short. So, yeah, time. I'll have it.

Project Vali? What is Vali? My knowledge of Nordic mythology figures/weapons/places pretty much is just Odin/Thor/Loki/Heimdal/Mjonir/Gungnir/Valhalla

Battle Cock
2 February 2016, 21:34
I've been in that area for the last two summers. Probably will be again this year.

Vali is a lesser figure of Norse mythology. He is the son of Odin and his mother is a giant of some sort. His sole purpose for being conceived was to avenge the death of his brother.

I once rebuilt a shotgun I found I my grandfathers closet, cut it as short as legally possible and named it Balmung, the name of a sword in Norse mythology broken in battle against Odin and reforged by the son of its wielder. When reforged it could split an anvil and was used to slay a dragon. So, I thought it was fitting.

Josh S.
2 February 2016, 21:53
Spartan Blades names all of their knives after Greek mythology and Greek words which is what really drew me to their products. One of my favorites and one that I think would describe this texture well is "Akribis", which means sharp and precise. Also, the Greek word "eirene" would fit well, which means peace/order.

Not sure if you're wanting the name to sort of describe the texture or just something that sounds badass lol

Battle Cock
2 February 2016, 22:33
Spartan Blades names all of their knives after Greek mythology and Greek words which is what really drew me to their products. One of my favorites and one that I think would describe this texture well is "Akribis", which means sharp and precise. Also, the Greek word "eirene" would fit well, which means peace/order.

Not sure if you're wanting the name to sort of describe the texture or just something that sounds badass lol

I think I'm looking for a name that describes the idea of the pattern. The metaphysical texture of the concept.

Battle Cock
3 February 2016, 09:22
Here's another cellphone shot of the texture. I've carried it inside the waistband a couple times and it is FAR more comfortable than traditional stippling. Even my Ultravelvet.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160203/fde95ea7f1bac2ec2336f9f00a1c6f8b.jpg

Aragorn
3 February 2016, 10:57
That's cool. Very fitting name for a shotgun. So what brings Vali to mind for this texture?

If I ever have anything done by you, I should have you put in the name Freyja or Sif on it somewhere :D

Battle Cock
3 February 2016, 11:18
That's cool. Very fitting name for a shotgun. So what brings Vali to mind for this texture?

If I ever have anything done by you, I should have you put in the name Freyja or Sif on it somewhere :D

I have Vali in mind for the gun as a whole. Vali was created perfectly for his sole purpose, and fulfilled it.

The god of vengeance thing doesn't hurt its cool factor either.

Battle Cock
3 February 2016, 11:36
Update on parts list: I just placed order for the edge connector, the apex trigger, and a Wilson Combat threaded match grade barrel.
I'm also networking a bit here in AZ and there are some local shops I may get to do my machining.

Edit: RM63 and maritime spring cups are inbound now as well.

Aragorn
3 February 2016, 12:04
I have Vali in mind for the gun as a whole. Vali was created perfectly for his sole purpose, and fulfilled it.

The god of vengeance thing doesn't hurt its cool factor either.

Very cool. I like that.

gatordev
3 February 2016, 14:01
Even my Ultravelvet.


Which Norse god is that?

Battle Cock
3 February 2016, 14:02
Which Norse god is that?

Heh. I've never named a texture after a mythological character. That name falls under my "metaphysical texture of the concept" criteria.

gatordev
3 February 2016, 14:06
Just being a smart ass. It's what I do.

Battle Cock
3 February 2016, 14:14
Just being a smart ass. It's what I do.

You? A smart ass? [BD]

Battle Cock
3 February 2016, 15:01
Parts list has been amended to include a stainless pin set (To aesthetically compliment the WC barrel.) and a pierce grip plug.

Battle Cock
8 February 2016, 16:40
Apex trigger, stainless pins, Ghost Edge connector, and maritime spring cups came in today. The Wilson combat barrel is slated for delivery tomorrow, and then I'll go get some live fire in.

I've been dry firing ever since I installed the connector, and while there is noticeable pre travel, the pull is very smooth, and the wide trigger face makes for a very straight pull.

I have noted that since the new trigger was installed, lockup is a bit tighter and it takes just a bit more momentum of the slide to lock all the way forward. I doubt it will affect function, but it is worth noting.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160209/e6c31e0c887d6761921f726508a9f611.jpg

Deadwing
8 February 2016, 19:28
Damn, brother. That's one hot G19.

Aragorn
8 February 2016, 22:37
Interested to see how that trigger works out for you. Been kinda going back and forth between it and the Agency.

Battle Cock
8 February 2016, 23:24
I am excited to test out the trigger. The flat wide face is fantastic and makes trigger control during dry firing super simple.

Here's the first studio shot of it. I couldn't wait until the WC barrel comes in. Now I pretty much just need to get milling and refinished sorted and I'll be finished.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1482/24543451189_a4cb2b70b1_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/DoPAXx)Vali (https://flic.kr/p/DoPAXx) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

Aragorn
9 February 2016, 09:26
That's looking super good, can't wait to see it done and hear the range report. How's break/reset feel?

Battle Cock
9 February 2016, 09:32
The break isn't what I'd call like glass, (like my CMC flat) but its very smooth. Which, I think I may prefer in a handgun. With the current setup there is about 1/4" pre travel, but it resets at less than half that and the reset is very positive. I think the Apex trigger body's modified fulcrum helps with that. The forward movement of the slide provides more of a reset assist than the OEM trigger.

Aragorn
9 February 2016, 09:38
Very interesting and good info. Too many good options to choose from.

Battle Cock
9 February 2016, 09:46
Keep in mind the only trigger modifications I've done so far are to drop in the Apex trigger and GHOST Edge 3.5lb connector. I know the trigger could be further improved for sporting purposes, (to cut out pretravel) but I'm not sure it needs any work for defensive/carry gun. And just for your info, overtravel seems to be about 1/8" so total trigger travel from the rear to reset is ~1/4". (I haven't done any measurements, those are just approximations.)

Aragorn
9 February 2016, 09:57
Nah, I'm with you on the defensive and carry end, and those numbers don't look bad.

Also, did you do any frame straightening? You went from here:



https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1648/23883793824_20b06fe319_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/CowFNG)DSC_0078 (https://flic.kr/p/CowFNG) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

To here:



http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160209/e6c31e0c887d6761921f726508a9f611.jpg

And I would swear the frame to slide gap is more linear looking at it near the muzzle end.

Battle Cock
9 February 2016, 10:57
Nah, I'm with you on the defensive and carry end, and those numbers don't look bad.

Also, did you do any frame straightening? You went from here:



To here:



And I would swear the frame to slide gap is more linear looking at it near the muzzle end.

That's just the camera angle. I don't think straightening that portion would improve function at all. It doesn't contact the slide and it's all forward of the rails.

Aragorn
9 February 2016, 11:04
Ah, was just wondering if I was crazy or if your talents were ever further reaching than I'd previously thought. [:D]

Battle Cock
9 February 2016, 16:05
Ah, was just wondering if I was crazy or if your talents were ever further reaching than I'd previously thought. [:D]

I could probably straighten it out, but I don't see a need to. That, and my chances of doing it correctly are lower than my chances completely destroying the frame. [BD]

Battle Cock
10 February 2016, 15:19
Got 200 rounds in at the range. Grouped ~2-3" at 15yd. I shot some with both the WC barrel and the OEM barrel, and have several observations. Accuracy did not noticeably change between the two. (Not unexpected, since my shooting needs improvement) And, the lockup issue I noted earlier, caused several malfunctions with the WC barrel. On those malfunctions, the slide failed to return fully forward. This did not happen with the OEM barrel, and I attribute that to the lower external tolerances of the OEM barrel.
My hypothesis is that the new trigger bar is causing the lockup issue. I say this, because during dry fire, if I continue to hold the trigger down when cycling the slide, the last 1/8" of forward slide movement sees increased friction and will stop the slide if it is moving slowly enough. This friction dissipates and the slide moves fully into battery upon release of the trigger. (Though the 3 such live malfunctions failed to do so.)

I will get a new battery for my calipers and compare the old and new trigger bars to figure out exactly which area needs to be adjusted to address the issue.

The recoil impulse from the WC barrel was noticeably longer and less snappy than the OEM barrel.

Also, does anyone have any suggestions for keeping thread protectors secure on a barrel? Loctite?

FortTom
10 February 2016, 18:48
B.C., none of the Glocks I've ever owned have ever been modded to the extent that yours has, but I've used KKM and LW barrels (you mentioned no appreciable improvement of accuracy with the WC barrel), and I've never noticed much improvement at all. A little maybe, and I have a G19 that's fairly accurate for a Glock, with a KKM barrel. Mostly, all I got for my money was the ability to shoot cheap lead target loads. Except for the G19, only minor improvements with jacketed.

FT

Aragorn
10 February 2016, 20:05
I've seen groups tighten up with KKM barrels on M&P's and Glocks, BUT not immediately out of the box. It's been awhile but seems like it took 200-500 rounds for the barrels to break in, at which point groups tightened up.

I would venture a guess that the Wilson, like the KKM, needs broken in.

Battle Cock
10 February 2016, 21:11
B.C., none of the Glocks I've ever owned have ever been modded to the extent that yours has, but I've used KKM and LW barrels (you mentioned no appreciable improvement of accuracy with the WC barrel), and I've never noticed much improvement at all. A little maybe, and I have a G19 that's fairly accurate for a Glock, with a KKM barrel. Mostly, all I got for my money was the ability to shoot cheap lead target loads. Except for the G19, only minor improvements with jacketed.

FT


I've seen groups tighten up with KKM barrels on M&P's and Glocks, BUT not immediately out of the box. It's been awhile but seems like it took 200-500 rounds for the barrels to break in, at which point groups tightened up.

I would venture a guess that the Wilson, like the KKM, needs broken in.


It would be nice if the group tightens up a little, but I'll be ok if it doesn't. I bought the barrel for use with a suppressor whenever I finally make that happen. All the research that I did prior to buying an aftermarket barrel was concurrent with what you've both said.

I did notice the group shape change a bit with the barrel change though. It was more vertical linear with the WC barrel, and spread oval with the OEM barrel.

mustangfreek
15 February 2016, 00:43
Nothing good to add besides I'm really digging that pattern , not just looks but it does look like a comfy grip..I've almost caved in on that trigger a few times,but sounds like another positive, at least so far huh

So after the machine work, any crazy color scheme or a simple black/redo?

Battle Cock
24 February 2016, 16:18
Nothing good to add besides I'm really digging that pattern , not just looks but it does look like a comfy grip..I've almost caved in on that trigger a few times,but sounds like another positive, at least so far huh

So after the machine work, any crazy color scheme or a simple black/redo?

I like the black and stainless look I've got going. I don't think color would fit with the theme.

This is with the WC barrel installed, a Surefire X300U, and a Magpul mag.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160225/e0370ee667f2e76e307f0bc054db4af4.jpg

I'm sitting down to do some measuring and then potential adjustment to the new trigger bar to address the lockup issue mentioned earlier.

Battle Cock
24 February 2016, 17:05
https://vimeo.com/156639717

For anyone interested, this is the lockup issue I am referring to. When the trigger is depressed, there is increased resistance to forward movement during the last 1/8". This sometimes prevents full lockup and prevents another shot from being fired. As you can see, releasing the trigger allows the slide to move forward in most cases.

I've isolated the issue to the Ghost 3.5lb Edge connector.

I'm not entirely sure what (mechanically) is causing this. But I am troubleshooting and experimenting.

Deadwing
24 February 2016, 18:44
You need to get one of these: Glock Inspection Plate (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/571365/glock-slide-cover-plate-for-inspection-only-glock-all-models-polymer-orange). That ought to give you an idea of what's going on in there. In the meantime, try bending the connector inward ever so slightly. It may be putting too mch outward pressure on the trigger bar. I had to do this with Ghost connector i bought for my G42. Bend it a little at a time or the trigger won't reset.

Out of curiosity, why did you go with the Ghost connector over the OEM "-" connector?

Battle Cock
25 February 2016, 09:42
You need to get one of these: Glock Inspection Plate (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/571365/glock-slide-cover-plate-for-inspection-only-glock-all-models-polymer-orange). That ought to give you an idea of what's going on in there. In the meantime, try bending the connector inward ever so slightly. It may be putting too mch outward pressure on the trigger bar. I had to do this with Ghost connector i bought for my G42. Bend it a little at a time or the trigger won't reset.

Out of curiosity, why did you go with the Ghost connector over the OEM "-" connector?

I tried adjusting the connector angle of the connector without effect. I found through some research that a lot of people have fixed similar issues that way. Mine seems to be something else.

I replaced the OEM connector to make the trigger pull more smooth and consistent. But since this particular unit seems to have a deficiency in reliability, its sitting on my desk, and the OEM connector is back in the gun.

Joelski
25 February 2016, 11:28
https://vimeo.com/156639717

For anyone interested, this is the lockup issue I am referring to. When the trigger is depressed, there is increased resistance to forward movement during the last 1/8". This sometimes prevents full lockup and prevents another shot from being fired. As you can see, releasing the trigger allows the slide to move forward in most cases.

I've isolated the issue to the Ghost 3.5lb Edge connector.

I'm not entirely sure what (mechanically) is causing this. But I am troubleshooting and experimenting.

Got the same connector, but have never experienced that. Of course, I don't have all those other mods on my gun! Do you have a bone stock gun you can A/B to see where the interaction is changed?

Battle Cock
25 February 2016, 16:47
Got the same connector, but have never experienced that. Of course, I don't have all those other mods on my gun! Do you have a bone stock gun you can A/B to see where the interaction is changed?

No, but I've been swapping back to stock parts to try to figure it out.

I'm am going to get machining done here locally in AZ here in the next week. It'll be in this configuration until then:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160226/5a0b6a1d47085f74faa016d09ae51a8b.jpg

Deadwing
25 February 2016, 16:59
I tried adjusting the connector angle of the connector without effect. I found through some research that a lot of people have fixed similar issues that way. Mine seems to be something else.

I replaced the OEM connector to make the trigger pull more smooth and consistent. But since this particular unit seems to have a deficiency in reliability, its sitting on my desk, and the OEM connector is back in the gun.

I've experimented a bit with connectors on my Glocks and all but the G42 have the OEM 5lb. connector in them. I did like the OEM "minus" connector (http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=6648) with the NY1 trigger spring. With the standard trigger spring, it felt a lot like the Ghost connector to me, but with factory reliability.

Battle Cock
25 February 2016, 19:44
I've experimented a bit with connectors on my Glocks and all but the G42 have the OEM 5lb. connector in them. I did like the OEM "minus" connector (http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=6648) with the NY1 trigger spring. With the standard trigger spring, it felt a lot like the Ghost connector to me, but with factory reliability.

I may give that connector a try. I mean, whats another $20 on top of an already $3k gun? [BD]

Deadwing
25 February 2016, 19:52
I may give that connector a try. I mean, whats another $20 on top of an already $3k gun? [BD]

In for a penny, in for a pound. :P

Battle Cock
25 February 2016, 20:11
In for a penny, in for a pound. :P

Never have I known that to be more true.

Deadwing
26 February 2016, 07:55
Never have I known that to be more true.

[BD]

Battle Cock
28 February 2016, 09:45
Modified the OWB kydex rig to accept the threaded barrel.

I should be able to use it with an RMR without further modification.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160228/83c6f82c10ee707bc0aea407f07fea7e.jpg

Battle Cock
2 March 2016, 16:42
I was in a local shop here in Phoenix today and picked up a standard Ghost connector and a Wolff spring kit to experiment with.

All told, I have tried all the various springs from the kit (4lb striker spring, safety block spring, extra power trigger spring,) and I ended up keeping all OEM springs installed except the striker spring. That, coupled with the new Ghost connector seems to function most smoothly, and consistently with dry firing and trigger pull is massively improved.

The lockup issue is no longer present in this configuration, and I plan to play around with the other springs in the future to see if I can modify them to fit this firearm better.

Also of note, I'm noticing my shot groups with these suppressor sights are consistently 3" low of my point of aim. I've heard the .45 front sight is a little shorter, so I may look into getting one of those to bring the point of impact up just a little.

Deadwing
2 March 2016, 17:05
I'll be curious to hear if the reduced power striker spring has any effect on ignition reliability.

Battle Cock
2 March 2016, 17:47
I'll be curious to hear if the reduced power striker spring has any effect on ignition reliability.

Without any testing, id say it certainly reduces reliability. How much remains to be seen.

This whole project is essentially a learning experience for me. And as I go, I can definitely see how a lot of guys are staunchly opposed to swapping out any OEM parts. However, I can still see areas of an OEM Glock that can be improved. (Aside from frame work)

Deadwing
2 March 2016, 18:41
Without any testing, id say it certainly reduces reliability. How much remains to be seen.

This whole project is essentially a learning experience for me. And as I go, I can definitely see how a lot of guys are staunchly opposed to swapping out any OEM parts. However, I can still see areas of an OEM Glock that can be improved. (Aside from frame work)

Glocks are definitely not the "perfection" that they advertise. Plenty of room for improvements.

UWone77
3 March 2016, 11:15
BC,

Maybe I missed it, but have you decided on a guide rod spring? 11, 13, 15lbs?

Battle Cock
3 March 2016, 17:08
BC,

Maybe I missed it, but have you decided on a guide rod spring? 11, 13, 15lbs?

I've got the Lone Wolf guide rod assembly in it. It comes with a 17lb Spring. I may buy several spring weights for testing once I get the slide lightened.

Deadwing
3 March 2016, 17:27
I've got the Lone Wolf guide rod assembly in it. It comes with a 17lb Spring. I may buy several spring weights for testing once I get the slide lightened.

I've not used the lone wolf rod and spring, but i've used the ISMI rods (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/719532/ismi-captured-guide-rod-glock-19-23-25-32-steel) and springs (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2381283064/ismi-recoil-spring-glock-19-23-25-32-chrome-silicon) in my Glocks for as long as i can remember with excellent results.

Battle Cock
6 March 2016, 18:29
Dropping off my slide for milling tomorrow! Should get it back in less than 2 weeks. I'm excited to get this part out of the way. Aside from experimentation for performance's sake, this is the last major part of the build.

Battle Cock
26 March 2016, 23:25
Got my slide back from Lamb Custom Firearms today, (They are affiliated with Desert Design and Development for anyone familiar with them.)
Except for tuning with recoil springs to optimize after slide lightening, I'd say this build is about done! Now for pictures.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1719/25788423190_1c0c8a5652_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FhQpL3)Váli (https://flic.kr/p/FhQpL3) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1509/25456519364_101dfa97c9_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EMvjjh)Váli (https://flic.kr/p/EMvjjh) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1500/25994950271_74561ef966_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FB5V4M)Váli (https://flic.kr/p/FB5V4M) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1575/26061294875_812ca2cf8c_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FGWX1g)Váli (https://flic.kr/p/FGWX1g) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1443/26035368016_4afeda55b7_o.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/FEE4Rs)Váli (https://flic.kr/p/FEE4Rs) by Battle Cock (https://www.flickr.com/photos/139563678@N06/), on Flickr

schambers
27 March 2016, 07:40
Turned out really well! I like the vertical cuts on the front of the slide.

Aragorn
27 March 2016, 10:19
Seriously nice.

GriffonSec
27 March 2016, 11:09
NICE!

Cotton68spc
27 March 2016, 15:44
Ya buddy that is sick


Check me out on YouTube and Facebook

mustangfreek
27 March 2016, 21:21
Looks good , like the slide work...id shoot the shit out of that if I had such..my glock is uber boring...lol

What refinish did you go with?

Battle Cock
27 March 2016, 22:03
Thanks gents. I love the way this thing has turned out so far. It has not been out of arm's reach since I got the slide back. This is my first handgun with an RDS so I'm adjusting to the small differences picking up the sight picture, and finding the dot instructive in diagnosing trigger discipline with dry firing.


Looks good , like the slide work...id shoot the shit out of that if I had such..my glock is uber boring...lol

What refinish did you go with?

Someday soon you'll be able to send it to me for some mods to make it a little less boring. The slide is parkerized. I selected that finish because it was the only one offered by my machinist, and it was free. [BD]

mustangfreek
28 March 2016, 01:01
Thanks gents. I love the way this thing has turned out so far.
Someday soon you'll be able to send it to me for some mods to make it a little less boring. The slide is parkerized. I selected that finish because it was the only one offered by my machinist, and it was free. [BD]

Free is good....


But.......Parkerize job after all that money...lol......it needs some sniper grey Cerakote or something good to finish it off...haha....just dreaming and giving you ideas to spend more $$$& on it...[:D]...

Battle Cock
28 March 2016, 01:05
Free is good....


But.......Parkerize job after all that money...lol......it needs some sniper grey Cerakote or something good to finish it off...haha....just dreaming and giving you ideas to spend more $$$& on it...[:D]...

Yeah, I figure parkerizing is good enough to keep it from rusting until I decide if I want to do something else with it.

tact
28 March 2016, 16:40
I've got the Lone Wolf guide rod assembly in it. It comes with a 17lb Spring. I may buy several spring weights for testing once I get the slide lightened.

Curious why you'd go ghetto with Lone Wolf on a 3K Glock? Like putting Gabriel shocks on a Ferrari.

Battle Cock
28 March 2016, 18:26
Curious why you'd go ghetto with Lone Wolf on a 3K Glock? Like putting Gabriel shocks on a Ferrari.

If its stupid and it works, it ain't stupid! Its a machined SS rod with a screw and a captured spring. The spirit of this build is in many ways, one of experimentation. I plan to experiment with other spring weights anyway, and I haven't found any reason to replace this rod with something else.

Battle Cock
1 April 2016, 13:58
30ft full magazine group with one flier.
Yeeeeeessss. Totally worth the time money and effort.

Edit: the gun definitely shoots better and smoother than I do.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160401/be16546e229793bcc2a194bae8c53d69.jpg

mustangfreek
6 April 2016, 01:38
Your cheating with that sight..lol..

Came out good....so gonna divulge what's in this thing total?
I'm kinda curious, but understand if you don't want to..lol..machine work has me curious

Battle Cock
6 April 2016, 02:14
Your cheating with that sight..lol..

Came out good....so gonna divulge what's in this thing total?
I'm kinda curious, but understand if you don't want to..lol..machine work has me curious

Well, I got dealer pricing on slide work so I think I've probably spent between $2300-$2400 out of pocket including the RMR.

I'm glad I didn't have to pay for the frame work, but all in all this build has been a formative learning experience.

mustangfreek
6 April 2016, 02:26
Damn.......[BD][:D]

Thanks , it does look like a fun shooter and looks like a comfy grip with the work / stippling you have done.

Jerry R
8 April 2016, 12:50
30ft full magazine group with one flier.
Yeeeeeessss. Totally worth the time money and effort.

Edit: the gun definitely shoots better and smoother than I do.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160401/be16546e229793bcc2a194bae8c53d69.jpg

If I was working a group like that, I would get nervous and toss a flyer too! Nice shooting.

UWone77
11 April 2016, 10:32
What sights did you end up going with?

Battle Cock
11 April 2016, 10:39
What sights did you end up going with?

I haven't changed the setup since I got the slide back, so I've got the RMR (3.25 MOA adjustable LED) and set of Trijicon suppressor sights with black rings.

I'll look into a front post for a .45 Glock (I believe they are a little shorter) to bring my groups up, but for now, with the RMR, they are close enough for backups.

Battle Cock
1 May 2016, 11:17
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160501/49f5b536698f1e8e4fa56f4a921cf223.jpg

Finally had a chance to take this to the range again with range quality ammo and confirmed that the reduced power striker spring is extremely useful. For practicing clearing malfunctions.
This particular spring gets me 2-3 light strikes per mag, so I'll keep it around for training purposes but the OEM spring is going back in once I get it home.

I'm loving the RDS though. It has been very educational and had actually made me shoot better wth iron sights.

mustangfreek
4 May 2016, 16:59
Damn that thing looks good, I mean better and more ergo to the hands

So how are you liking or not the spec trigger?

I need to do something with mine..it sux..lol

Pyzik
5 May 2016, 06:37
Very nice man. That's a sexy pistola

Battle Cock
5 May 2016, 12:46
Damn that thing looks good, I mean better and more ergo to the hands

So how are you liking or not the spec trigger?

I need to do something with mine..it sux..lol

There is no comparison between a standard Glock and the one above. Everyone I hand both to, invariably says that it feels like a totally different gun.
I love the flat trigger. The pull weight isn't massively different, but it helps with trigger control.


Very nice man. That's a sexy pistola

You can play with it here soon if we meet up for a photoshoot in Detroit!

mustangfreek
9 May 2016, 14:17
Thanks for the info on the trigger, reading up it seems to not really change the weight but shorter travel, reset and the flat part ...