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Sak007
26 January 2016, 18:19
I found a couple hundred rounds of some 147gr Montana Gold hollow points that I had loaded several years ago with some Hodgdons HS6 . I remember having feeding other issues with this ammo over several guns - G19 G17 & P229 but figured Id give it a try . I tried it in my g19 and P229 and it wouldn't cycle and I had to literally rack the slide to load the next round even though it would eject the spent round . I assumed it may have been a light load so I upped the load to the max grains and same thing . Now I'm wondering if it's a projectile issue so I try xtreme 147gr and now it will cycle un suppressed but not suppressed . I went and grabbed some E3 & cfe pistol today and tried 1 test load . I loaded 3.0gr of E3 and it would cycle until I put the can on and it wouldn't cycle . I have more loads planned for tomorrow but I'm beginning to wonder if this may be a guide rod spring issue or something else .
Gun Specs
Gen3 G19
S3f Threaded barrel
Glockkraft DAT trigger
Ghost Evo connector
Mystery aftermarket guide rod

Former11B
26 January 2016, 18:58
I run a Gen 3 G19 bone stock with a 9mm can.

My load for 147 Xtremes is 3.5gr Titegroup with CCI #500s

Any chance of putting the Glock back to factory and trying the ammo again to see if it's an ammo vs equipment issue?

alamo5000
26 January 2016, 19:29
What is the overall length of your reloads? Compare that to other loads that you have and post results.

There could be a number of issues. Not enough information to answer though.

Your rounds could be hanging up, but it sort of sounds almost like a short stroke.

alamo5000
26 January 2016, 19:34
Basically try seating the bullets a little less deep so the OAL is slightly longer and see if that helps. Get em long enough to fit the mag and that's it.

SwissyJim
26 January 2016, 21:08
hmm... don't use Montana golds, but I have loaded a couple K of xtreme and Hornady 147's, and used in a Glock35 with Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel, Lone wolf recoil rod and lighter springs, glocktrigers.com trigger, yada yada and have never had a single failure of any kind

I load all mine with 3.4g titegroup, COL of 1.10

I have used HS6 and had no issues, but I have been able to load up on Titegroup and have not seen mu HS6. I'll look and see in my notes what my charge was with HS6.

Maybe too light of a recoil spring, and your slide is cycling too fast with the can on to effectively strip the next round? Just talking out my butt as I've never had to troubleshot pistol issues...

mustangfreek
27 January 2016, 03:37
Sounds like a weak/ light load. What charge on the H6? I don't use it and have heard it doesn't like s light charge atleast for 9 mm

I don't supress but use 147's with good Results and mostly using WSF right now, but also bullseye, cfe, and have some tite group to play with

Sak007
27 January 2016, 08:40
The HS6 load is at an on paper max load of 5.0gr as per Hodgdon . I'm trying E3 loads of 3.1-3.3gr in a couple hours along with a couple loads my buddy is bringing and were gonna see if any of mine cycle his 226 suppressed and vice versa . So if everything thing runs fine in his it will answer the fact that Glocks are plastic dildos .......... sorry got on a rant . But hopefully it will narrow down whats wrong with my Glock other than the obvious when compared to a Sig[BD]

Dstrbdmedic167
27 January 2016, 08:58
I say that you've got weak loads. Almost all my loads usually end up near max. I shoot 147gr ball all the time without issues through my 19. I haven't used hs6 though...

SwissyJim
27 January 2016, 09:06
I looked this morning at my load book, I use 3.4g Titegroup, 3.9g CFEpistol and 4.8g HS6 in my glock 35 9mm conversion. My new Sig will be back from 'tweaking' this Friday so I'll know if those run in that gun too.

Sak007
27 January 2016, 18:11
3.1gr E3 G19 cycled un suppressed would not cycle suppressed . Wouldn't cycle period in 226
3.2gr E3 G19 cycled un suppressed got a 2 shot string suppressed . 226 wouldn't cycle any .
3.3gr E3 cycled un suppressed and cycled 4 shots before it didn't fire . 226 would randomly cycle suppressed
165gr fmj unknown charge would not cycle suppressed .
wolf 115gr fmj cycled in all guns un suppressed and suppressed
E3 powder didnt cause any pressure sings on the rounds so I might try some factory 147 tomorrow to see if my gun just hates my reloads .

SwissyJim
27 January 2016, 18:34
interesting. I'm getting interested in getting my Sig226 this Friday and testing mine! I ran my reloads (3.4g Titegroup) thru my G35/9mm conversion and my Sig229 with no issues, but the Sig226 is coming back with the threaded barrel, so I can test with the can

Dstrbdmedic167
27 January 2016, 19:18
Wait didn't you say Glock were polymer dildos? [BD] j/k

Let us know what the factory results yeld. Also what suppressor are you running?

alamo5000
27 January 2016, 19:47
I might try some factory 147 tomorrow to see if my gun just hates my reloads .

I have been reading about the powder you use and to me that isn't a good choice AT ALL for what you are wanting to do.

I'll betcha a dollar that if you get some better powder you won't have a problem.

alamo5000
27 January 2016, 19:51
For example Hodgon Titewad is listed right next to E3 on the burn rate chart so burn rate wise it's very similar.

On Hodgon's site they only have one 9mm load listed for Titewad period and that is with a 124 grain bullet. Their data shows a max load of 3.4 grains resulting in a velocity of 942 fps out of a 4" barrel.

After reading about that powder you are using it makes sense why it's not working.

Dstrbdmedic167
27 January 2016, 19:53
I have been reading about the powder you use and to me that isn't a good choice AT ALL for what you are wanting to do.

I'll betcha a dollar that if you get some better powder you won't have a problem.

He did say he had some cfe pistol. I've had good results with that. I say give that a go...

alamo5000
27 January 2016, 19:58
He did say he had some cfe pistol. I've had good results with that. I say give that a go...

Hodgon CFE Pistol has a load listed for 147 gr...

4.2 grains gives you 963 fps...

That will get you there for sure. I would go for that and ditch the E3 experiment.

Dstrbdmedic167
27 January 2016, 19:59
Hodgon CFE Pistol has a load listed for 147 gr...

4.2 grains gives you 963 fps...

That will get you there for sure. I would go for that and ditch the E3 experiment.

I loaded my cfe with 115 but have since switched to 115....

Speaking off I need to seriously catch up on my reloading...

alamo5000
27 January 2016, 20:12
I loaded my cfe with 115 but have since switched to 115....

Speaking off I need to seriously catch up on my reloading...

I've used Hodgon Universal for pistol loads and I've had nothing but success with anything from 115 to 147's... I have over a thousand .380 rounds... It's been really good. I can use it for anything from .380 to .45...

SwissyJim
27 January 2016, 20:25
For example Hodgon Titewad is listed right next to E3 on the burn rate chart so burn rate wise it's very similar.

On Hodgon's site they only have one 9mm load listed for Titewad period and that is with a 124 grain bullet. Their data shows a max load of 3.4 grains resulting in a velocity of 942 fps out of a 4" barrel.

After reading about that powder you are using it makes sense why it's not working.
Are you looking at TiteWAD or TiteGROUP? 2 different powders with a huge difference... TiteGROUP will work great as a 9mm 147g sub round (it's all I use for this purpose)

alamo5000
27 January 2016, 20:30
Are you looking at TiteWAD or TiteGROUP? 2 different powders with a huge difference... TiteGROUP will work great as a 9mm 147g sub round (it's all I use for this purpose)

Titewad

On this chart Alliant E3 is #5 on the list and Titewad is #6...

Titegroup is #14

https://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Burn%20Rates%20-%202015-2016.pdf

SwissyJim
27 January 2016, 22:08
Ah, ok... Just wanted to make sure. I had not seen any mention of Titewad until this. But you were comparing his E3 to Titewad of which there is only one load listed for 9mm (I'm surprised there is even one!). Gotcha! And yeah... don't think the E3 will work, bit too fast of a burn. But from my experience the HS6, Titegroup and CFEPistol are all good to go. I use the titegroup exclusively for my 9mm subs anymore, it just works too good not too.

mustangfreek
28 January 2016, 03:10
Speaking off I need to seriously catch up on my reloading...

Same here...too damn busy lately to get into it without being disturbed..

Former11B
28 January 2016, 06:22
For example Hodgon Titewad is listed right next to E3 on the burn rate chart so burn rate wise it's very similar.

On Hodgon's site they only have one 9mm load listed for Titewad period and that is with a 124 grain bullet. Their data shows a max load of 3.4 grains resulting in a velocity of 942 fps out of a 4" barrel.

After reading about that powder you are using it makes sense why it's not working.

I only use Titewad in .45ACP but it does work well. Very small amounts of powder needed for bunny fart loads in a 1911. Sidetracking, I know

I wonder if it's the suppressor contributing....was the brand/model mentioned and I missed it somewhere?

SwissyJim
28 January 2016, 08:29
I haven't seen the suppressor brand, but I suspect it's at least contributing to the issue? On my Colt 6920, everything ran flawless until I added the suppressor, then I never got the last round BHO. Added the next weight up buffer and all is well - the suppressor added enough that the BCG moved a little faster. Possibly the slide is doing the same issue here...?

Sak007
28 January 2016, 09:05
I'm running a Osprey45 .

Former11B
28 January 2016, 09:31
I'd be interested to see if a smaller can would make a difference as well. Glock 19s tend to be a little more finicky than a 17 when running suppressed; while many people run them suppressed just fine, I feel like I read about more issues than with 17s

Dstrbdmedic167
28 January 2016, 09:52
I run an osprey 45 on my 19. No issues to be found thus far....

SwissyJim
28 January 2016, 11:04
Osprey45 on my G35, but definitely something to try if at all possible.

Sak007
29 January 2016, 06:04
Im gonna up the grain on the E3. I saw 3.0-3.3gr was for 115gr projectiles and the 147gr needed to be closer to 3.6.

Sak007
29 January 2016, 09:59
Just got back from the range and all went well .
3.5gr E3 cycled un suppressed and suppressed , slide on a couple didn't return all the way back and needed a little push
3.6gr E3 cycled flawlessly .
Guess it's time to hit the Dillon and get all my 9mm loaded so I can start on 300blk , and also figure out what to do with 7lbs of hs6[bash]

SwissyJim
29 January 2016, 11:38
Depends... do you have an AR or bolt gun in 300BLK? HS6 will work as a 300BLK subsonic load, but won't cycle an AR. but reported as very quiet and good in a bolt gun. Not to mention I have HS6 working in 9mm too... something you could play with more.

Former11B
29 January 2016, 12:39
Just got back from the range and all went well .
3.5gr E3 cycled un suppressed and suppressed , slide on a couple didn't return all the way back and needed a little push
3.6gr E3 cycled flawlessly .
Guess it's time to hit the Dillon and get all my 9mm loaded so I can start on 300blk , and also figure out what to do with 7lbs of hs6[bash]

I bet someone who shoots a .38 Super or .40 in competition would take the HS-6 off your hands if you really don't want to bother with it. Put the money towards a known quantity powder that you like

mustangfreek
30 January 2016, 02:18
Was gonna say what Jim said, have " heard" of guys using it iirc for BO sub loads

And as 11b said if you don't want to mess with it I'm sure someone in your area would trade for other powder or something.

Sak007
1 February 2016, 08:10
Maybe all that powder is an excuse to buy a 300blk Handi rifle[BD]