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Thompson
21 March 2016, 11:48
Well, it's Monday. What better way than to start it off with some MilSurp.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1487/25334788513_3d179f5d26_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EAKpYv)

Shoutout to the most dstrb'ed of medics; he may in fact like MilSurp more than myself. [BD]

UWone77
21 March 2016, 14:24
Well, it's Monday. What better way than to start it off with some MilSurp.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1487/25334788513_3d179f5d26_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/EAKpYv)

Shoutout to the most dstrb'ed of medics; he may in fact like MilSurp more than myself. [BD]

Probably that's because that's all you two can afford. [:D]

gatordev
21 March 2016, 14:24
Quick and dirty of my previously posted WWII Garand. By the way, Thompson, Feb '43 receiver, Oct '43 barrel. Never got back to you on that...

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1549/25668013140_12f5161af8_c.jpg

Dstrbdmedic167
21 March 2016, 15:03
Meh. Not my cup of tea...


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Computalotapus
21 March 2016, 16:00
Meh. Not my cup of tea...


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Don't be stealing my saying. Get your own. And the Garand is a sexy weapon.

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Thompson
22 March 2016, 00:35
Probably that's because that's all you two can afford. [:D]
.... lunch money only goes so far.


By the way, Thompson, Feb '43 receiver, Oct '43 barrel. Never got back to you on that...
All good. Hmm, I'm not sure for that large of a date separation. I believe a couple months difference between barrel and receiver date would be considered "correct,"
not sure about that far apart. I'll get back to you on that.

mustangfreek
22 March 2016, 02:04
Nice garand!! Fun shooters grew up shooting the old mans...

I've got a m44 myself...it's fun to break out every once in a while

Thompson
22 March 2016, 08:41
I've got a m44 myself...it's fun to break out every once in a while
M44 is on my want list. Have had the 91/30 pictured above for a while now .... though, not sure which I want more, M44 or 91/59 ... leaning towards 91/59 to be honest.

Had a line on a mint M44 a few weeks ago, messed up and lost my chance.

Thompson
22 March 2016, 08:43
And since we're on a Garand trend:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/448/20144900179_a355dba9b6_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/wG8SZa)

Former11B
22 March 2016, 13:36
What's the requirement for MilSurp? Age?

gatordev
22 March 2016, 13:44
What's the requirement for MilSurp? Age?

I'd argue something that was US or other govt property, so technically some ARs would be fair game. Although maybe it should be C&R, too.

Thompson
22 March 2016, 15:51
What's the requirement for MilSurp? Age?
Hmmm - good question, I never really thought of that.


I'd argue something that was US or other govt property, so technically some ARs would be fair game. Although maybe it should be C&R, too.
Me personally, I wouldn't just limit Milsurp to just US Property.

gator - what AR's are you speaking of?

Hmmm - I guess we could say nothing antique (ie: before 1900) and nothing after the 60's/70's or so.

gatordev
22 March 2016, 16:22
gator - what AR's are you speaking of?

Hmmm - I guess we could say nothing antique (ie: before 1900) and nothing after the 60's/70's or so.

That's why I said "other" governments, like Krags, Swiss, etc. But still, ultimately if it's "military surplus," then it should probably have belonged to a government at some point.

As for ARs, there's plenty of "Property of US GOVERNMENT" stamped M16s, but they're not C&R yet, so that's why I clarified that maybe they should be C&R. I don't care either way, but just putting it out there.

Thompson
22 March 2016, 16:45
That's why I said "other" governments, like Krags, Swiss, etc. But still, ultimately if it's "military surplus," then it should probably have belonged to a government at some point.

As for ARs, there's plenty of "Property of US GOVERNMENT" stamped M16s, but they're not C&R yet, so that's why I clarified that maybe they should be C&R. I don't care either way, but just putting it out there.
Ohh - my bad. Didn't even associate other with other countries. Was thinking other [US] govt property.

And sure - valid point. I've got no qualms with that.

jdhill
22 March 2016, 19:19
These have appeared in other threads, but here are the guns older than my parents...

'43 Inland Service Grade M1 Carbine
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1674/24746964244_5a05fd7084_b.jpg

CMP Special Grade M1D
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5679/22102507171_aa6ccb3848_b.jpg

CMP Field Grade M1D
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/743/21725188978_66f94c3aae_b.jpg

Have a few others on my want list, and fortunately HH6 doesn't give me a hard time about vintage guns (well, not as much of a hard time anyway)...

Thompson
22 March 2016, 21:06
Nice looking trio you got there. M1D's are a little too rich for my blood (for the time being at least); one day though.

Still a little jealous of your Carbine luck.

jdhill
22 March 2016, 21:26
Nice looking trio you got there. M1D's are a little too rich for my blood (for the time being at least); one day though.

Still a little jealous of your Carbine luck.

Plan on picking up a standard M1 from CMP (probably an Service Grade), then want an 1903 (A3 or A4) and an M1A1...

I'm still giddy that I got one of the carbines... still working on researching its history and parts... then need to do that one the Garands

Thompson
22 March 2016, 23:22
Plan on picking up a standard M1 from CMP (probably an Service Grade), then want an 1903 (A3 or A4) and an M1A1...

I'm still giddy that I got one of the carbines... still working on researching its history and parts... then need to do that one the Garands
Curious - how do you plan on picking up a SG Carbine? Via CMP auction? Unless they plan on putting out more Carbines? (kinda hope they don't ... already a 3-6 month wait for FG/SG Garands ...)

An M1A1 is definitely a Carbine I'd like to get over something like an M1C/D.

If you need some help with Garand info let me know - I know a decent bit about them (know nothing about Carbines, so you're on your own there haha)

jdhill
23 March 2016, 05:11
Curious - how do you plan on picking up a SG Carbine? Via CMP auction? Unless they plan on putting out more Carbines? (kinda hope they don't ... already a 3-6 month wait for FG/SG Garands ...)

An M1A1 is definitely a Carbine I'd like to get over something like an M1C/D.

If you need some help with Garand info let me know - I know a decent bit about them (know nothing about Carbines, so you're on your own there haha)

Looking to pick up standard Garand, not another CMP carbine (not that I wouldn't take one given the option).


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gatordev
23 March 2016, 05:27
Curious - how do you plan on picking up a SG Carbine? Via CMP auction? Unless they plan on putting out more Carbines? (kinda hope they don't ... already a 3-6 month wait for FG/SG Garands ...)


My CMP account is currently "expired" because they need proof of service again (and telling them that we're not legally allowed to provide copies of CAC IDs is blowing their mind). So I emailed them asking if what I had submitted for a Carbine would reset my account even if I didn't get a rifle. I figured even though my paperwork got there on the first day, I was probably out of luck. The lady said that they're still working on Carbine orders, so apparently there's more to come.

Also, as an aside, CMP is apparently stuck on having an "expiration" of service, which doesn't actually apply to all service members. I've got a letter on letterhead that has "INDEFINITE" as my end of service but with my earliest retirement date, so hopefully that will work. We'll see. I should probably ask on the CMP forums since the lady hasn't written me back.

Thompson
23 March 2016, 14:30
My CMP account is currently "expired" because they need proof of service again (and telling them that we're not legally allowed to provide copies of CAC IDs is blowing their mind). So I emailed them asking if what I had submitted for a Carbine would reset my account even if I didn't get a rifle. I figured even though my paperwork got there on the first day, I was probably out of luck. The lady said that they're still working on Carbine orders, so apparently there's more to come.

Also, as an aside, CMP is apparently stuck on having an "expiration" of service, which doesn't actually apply to all service members. I've got a letter on letterhead that has "INDEFINITE" as my end of service but with my earliest retirement date, so hopefully that will work. We'll see. I should probably ask on the CMP forums since the lady hasn't written me back.
Well that sucks. Try calling one of the stores. From what I've read, the folks there are very helpful - and you'll probably get a quicker answer too.

If that doesn't work the forums would be a good place too - there are ALOT of knowledgeable and friendly people on there.

The Military ID part - that's to show proof of participation in marksmanship right? If so, have you considered using your CCL instead? Sounds like it'd be much less hassle than a CAC work around.

gatordev
23 March 2016, 15:10
The Military ID part - that's to show proof of participation in marksmanship right? If so, have you considered using your CCL instead? Sounds like it'd be much less hassle than a CAC work around.

It's actually for affiliation. I used my passport as my citizenship proof, since again, I can't provide my CAC. I have no doubt they'll help me, and it sounds like even if what I turned in isn't good enough and they have a Carbine, they'll get in touch with me and hold my spot, which is pretty top notch in my opinion.

I just haven't had time to push the issue with them...or scan the dumb letter I had my admin generate.

mustangfreek
26 March 2016, 02:03
M44 is on my want list. Have had the 91/30 pictured above for a while now .... though, not sure which I want more, M44 or 91/59 ... leaning towards 91/59 to be honest.

Had a line on a mint M44 a few weeks ago, messed up and lost my chance.

Well get both then... lol
I had one of each as I had ideas of playing around with a stick, threaded barrel and more but ditched that and kept the m44..it's a blast to shoot and was nicknamed the fire gun but the kid..lol..as about dusk time that ol beast puts off a nice flame ...[:D]

jdhill
20 July 2016, 20:42
New arrival...
1457

DutchTerror
21 July 2016, 05:40
New arrival...
1457

Good looker! What year and manufacturer? Did it come from the CMP?

Thompson
21 July 2016, 07:02
New arrival...
1457
Gorgeous! First one?

Just from the pic, I can tell you had the early WW2 version of the trigger guard (milled) and it looks like post WW2 rear sights.

If you got it from the CMP, I'm guessing it's a field grade?

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jdhill
21 July 2016, 10:20
Gorgeous! First one?

Just from the pic, I can tell you had the early WW2 version of the trigger guard (milled) and it looks like post WW2 rear sights.

If you got it from the CMP, I'm guessing it's a field grade?

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I have a couple of D's (pictures earlier in the thread) but this is my first normal M1... Yes, it is from CMP, service grade... 5.7M HRA (post war '55 or '56), '65 LEAD rebuild (stock and markings on the receiver), ME:1, TE: 2+

Thompson
21 July 2016, 22:13
I have a couple of D's (pictures earlier in the thread) but this is my first normal M1... Yes, it is from CMP, service grade... 5.7M HRA (post war '55 or '56), '65 LEAD rebuild (stock and markings on the receiver), ME:1, TE: 2+
Wow, you made out really really well. HRA, LEAD, and GI stock. Very nice!!

GI stock threw me off. I know very very very very few SG's come with GI stocks nowadays.

jdhill
22 July 2016, 06:45
Wow, you made out really really well. HRA, LEAD, and GI stock. Very nice!!

GI stock threw me off. I know very very very very few SG's come with GI stocks nowadays.

And I didn't even ask for it... based on what I have seen from other boards, there have been a few leaking out in recent deliveries... like they found a crate of LEAD rifles in the warehouse... I was a little disappointed that it wasn't WWII vintage, or at least Korean War, but that has passed...

Thompson
9 January 2017, 05:34
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/684/32201595515_33314a9b1f_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/R4xAsF)

gatordev
9 January 2017, 16:28
I know this isn't a new thing, but the single biggest win on that rifle is the "mag tap" marks on the stock. The rest of the hardware is just bonus.

Thompson
9 January 2017, 22:27
I know this isn't a new thing, but the single biggest win on that rifle is the "mag tap" marks on the stock. The rest of the hardware is just bonus.
Neat isn't it?

Funny - comparing a couple stocks I have, the GI (at the time) who had, all seated the bullets on different parts of the stock. Some did it on the back end towards the buttplate, others right below the op rod track.

... bought a tiger striped stock recently, guess I'll have to build it up.

jdhill
11 January 2017, 18:50
2506

GarandShooter
25 February 2017, 17:37
Here's a few of my mostly original 3/44 SA Garand. The first rifle I bought myself and by far my favorite.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/3cf11017b53561e071647487896a1608.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/01b849fb4195d31179b3db0247c02835.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/c511445cce05b6ef55abcfc987c42fc6.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/e7e8f4fed37396484553d285b55a960c.jpg

schambers
25 February 2017, 19:48
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/c511445cce05b6ef55abcfc987c42fc6.jpg

wow, I always forget how rough the machining can get on wartime production guns

BoilerUp
25 February 2017, 21:25
wow, I always forget how rough the machining can get on wartime production guns

Well, don't forget that way back then the machining was done by people, not robots.

UWone77
26 February 2017, 20:46
I'm still waiting for Thompson to cerakote one Disruptive Grey [:D]

Thompson
20 March 2017, 19:05
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2880/32746639183_0061c0effe_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RTH5Xi)

Thompson
20 March 2017, 19:07
wow, I always forget how rough the machining can get on wartime production guns
Honestly - that looks a lot more like pitting than poor machining (I assume you are looking at the lockbars specifically)


Well, don't forget that way back then the machining was done by people, not robots.
Still beats Russian machining '42-43 ...


I'm still waiting for Thompson to cerakote one Disruptive Grey [:D]
I will cerakote a Hi Point before an M1.

schambers
20 March 2017, 23:20
Honestly - that looks a lot more like pitting than poor machining (I assume you are looking at the lockbars specifically)


Still beats Russian machining '42-43 ...

Actually, just looking at the machining cuts, almost all of them are straight and utilitarian lines. Reminds me that those guns were produced as fast as possible with only one intended purpose.

FortTom
21 March 2017, 01:36
Beautiful rifle and photo's. I can really appreciate the design and function of a Garand. A lot of folks have told me they just look to bland or utilitarian. That was certainly the idea behind them, but over the years, to my taste anyway, they've taken on a certain beauty. But I can sure say this. I'm glad I came up many years after they were retired. I really don't think I would have wanted to hump one of those all friggin day.[:D]

Thompson
21 March 2017, 09:05
Beautiful rifle and photo's. I can really appreciate the design and function of a Garand. A lot of folks have told me they just look to bland or utilitarian. That was certainly the idea behind them, but over the years, to my taste anyway, they've taken on a certain beauty. But I can sure say this. I'm glad I came up many years after they were retired. I really don't think I would have wanted to hump one of those all friggin day.[:D]
Thanks kindly. Nothing wrong with bland or utilitarian ... though, I've never heard it called that before. I've heard it called simple and majestic before though [:D]

Though I will say, if you ever compare a '45 rifle to say, an early or pre-war rifle - you will notice some variations. Things were definitely simplified over time.

Honestly given the time in which the Garand was developed, it was an engineering marvel - still is, if you consider the fact that the basic principles of the operating system are still used today (M14/M21). The only other well known competitors of its time were the G43 and SVT-40. I don't know much about SVT-40s, but I do know that the G43 had overgassing problems.

Agreed, would definitely not want to lug around 10+ lbs of wood and metal [:)] ... though apparently there's a lot of people out there that would rather carry an M1 over an M4 [crazy]

GarandShooter
21 March 2017, 10:36
Here's a few more I found on my phone.
Mostly original 1942 Inland. Sweet little shooter.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170321/7e74197ce48b86d89b70696043032c89.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170321/65a7767cbf84dc9a9f0f75d181a5833e.jpg

Thompson
21 March 2017, 16:06
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170321/7e74197ce48b86d89b70696043032c89.jpg

Gorgeous. That a RIA rebuild stamp I see there? Any cartouches on the left side?

FortTom
21 March 2017, 16:32
Thanks kindly. Nothing wrong with bland or utilitarian ...
Agreed, would definitely not want to lug around 10+ lbs of wood and metal [:)] ... though apparently there's a lot of people out there that would rather carry an M1 over an M4 [crazy]
Ha..ha..yeah boy, unless they're older folks, who fought with them, they probably might rethink that. My dad joined in 1955. The M1 was the first rifle he ever carried (previously a fairly poor kid coming from coal country), before that he had a single shot .22 and a shotgun for squirell. He didn't know what to think prior to his first tour in 'Nam, when they issued and trained his group on the M16.
I'd say that the modern guy who would rather hump a M1 all day, give him a 20K in the freakin desert, with gear, and 98 degree weather (feels like 105) once, and I'd like to see how many change their mind[:D]

All kidding aside, I still love them, and really don't know why I don't own a nice specimen. Maybe give myself one for my birthday or Xmas this year.

FT[:D]

Thompson
21 March 2017, 17:07
I'd say that the modern guy who would rather hump a M1 all day, give him a 20K in the freakin desert, with gear, and 98 degree weather (feels like 105) once, and I'd like to see how many change their mind[:D]

All kidding aside, I still love them, and really don't know why I don't own a nice specimen. Maybe give myself one for my birthday or Xmas this year.

FT[:D]
No it's weird, because it's the Nam era dudes who say they'd rather carry an M1. I suspect those that say that either never have served ... or were part of the really unlucky ones that ran into a lot of problems with the M16 early on.

On point with what you said - guarantee those people are only thinking about carrying just an M1, nothing else. No FLIC/LBV, ruck, ammo, etc.

... should probably get one sometime soon (especially since you don't have anyone to tell you no [BD]). CMP has Field and Service Grades for $635 and $735 (OOS at the moment); but they do have Field Grade Specials (new production barrel) as well as M1C's and D's in stock currently.

GarandShooter
21 March 2017, 17:42
Gorgeous. That a RIA rebuild stamp I see there? Any cartouches on the left side?

Correct.
That's why I say mostly original as the stock seems off. The rest of the rifle has correct parts with perfectly matched patina and wear so I'm thinking it may have been restocked at some point to a more "correct" Stock. But a few members of gunboards think it's an original stock that passed through rebuild with the carbine.

I believe the only other cartouche besides the inland mark in the sling well is the crossed cannons inspection cartouche.

Thompson
6 April 2017, 09:49
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2841/33876729995_1b101bab60_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/TBz6zD)

jdhill
8 May 2017, 18:21
My modest collection in one pic...

3311

Thompson
12 May 2017, 11:41
My modest collection in one pic...

3311
Gorgeous. I'd like to snag a Carbine one day.

Me thinks you need an M1C ... and an M1905.

I've probably asked this, but is that a GI or repro M37?

jdhill
12 May 2017, 13:23
Gorgeous. I'd like to snag a Carbine one day.

Me thinks you need an M1C ... and an M1905.

I've probably asked this, but is that a GI or repro M37?

It's a repro... all the accessories on that one are repro's... I plan to keep the other D all GI, but haven't had the time to really look for it all...

A C is on my list, as are a 1903, 03A3, and 03A4, another carbine and M1A1.... then a BAR, Thompson, and M3...

Thompson
12 May 2017, 17:11
A C is on my list, as are a 1903, 03A3, and 03A4, another carbine and M1A1.... then a BAR, Thompson, and M3...
Haha, I like the way you think. The M1A1 Thompson is at the top of my NFA list ... but that's a long ways away from now.

I think next on my Garand list is probably a Navy 7.62. I have a nice birch stock that I figured I'd do something special for it.

Thompson
25 May 2017, 22:11
Ask, and you shall receive ...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4219/34857413416_97a2407522_h.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/V7emAu)

Thompson
27 July 2017, 18:41
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4301/35374610954_8f890be826_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VTW8pq)

gatordev
23 December 2017, 15:08
Retro Range Time. This thing is never not fun...except when my rear sight gets loose in the dovetail.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4594/39245303301_768e075099_b.jpg

Thompson
5 February 2018, 22:18
Retro Range Time. This thing is never not fun...except when my rear sight gets loose in the dovetail.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4594/39245303301_768e075099_b.jpg
Carbine is definitely something I'd like to add to my collection someday soon... but I think I'll be sticking closely to Garands for the time being [:D]

Thompson
5 February 2018, 22:18
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4701/39211412695_c2441933cb_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/22JYJTz)

BoilerUp
25 April 2018, 21:40
Picked up my CMP Service Grade M1 Garand made by International Harvester today. I'm very pleased with it. S/N suggests a 1954 manufacture and the CMP put a new stock on it.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-QDxjhXZ/1/a9930792/X2/i-QDxjhXZ-X2.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gJJDVq3/0/1d459490/X2/i-gJJDVq3-X2.jpg

Former11B
27 May 2020, 07:21
How about a 1968 Ishapore 2a1 Jungle Carbine .308

7390

mustangfreek
28 May 2020, 12:07
Rad!

Id shoot it, Metal butt plate and all..[BD]

BoilerUp
25 October 2020, 13:05
Finally shot my "new to me" No. 4. https://photos.smugmug.com/Sports/Shooting/n-ZgGN2/Enfield-POF/i-MBHqdR2/0/b44cb33d/X4/_DSF3886-X4.jpg