If the HPA passes...

[GOST]

What are you gonna get if it passes? I'm considering a Rugged Razor 762.

[SINNER]

Around 2k in tax stamp refunds if the 12/15 cutoff makes it in. Lol

[GOST]

That would be nice!

[fledge]

Silencer Shop expects everything out of stock if this passes. We may have to wait the same amount of time to get what we want. Haha

But the re-sell market would begin.

I'd like Rugged's new 22 can.

More than that, I'll look hard at the integrally suppressed barrels like Gemtech's new offering. I think that may be the future. One day we'll look back at these clunky cans on the end of barrels and remember the old days.

[Former11B]

I'll buy some thread on cans and pin/weld them on short barrels to avoid the SBR stamp. If they become a wear item like a barrel then who cares

[alamo5000]

Immediate plans would be for a dedicated .22 can or maybe two and a Griffin Recce 7, again probably two of them.

Eventually I would have another Recce 5 as well.

In the long run I would have a suppressor for every caliber and gun I own.

[alamo5000]

I'll buy some thread on cans and pin/weld them on short barrels to avoid the SBR stamp. If they become a wear item like a barrel then who cares

Pretty good plan. I haven't thought about doing that.

[din]

More stuff from Dead Air.

[voodoo_man]

I have two cans in a safe that I never put paperwork in for, banking on this going through.

If it does I'll probably get a 22 can and but gemtech to send me that tiny 9mm can.

One thing I will say is that you'll see a huge uptick in can development, size specifically as well as threaded barrel on everything possible.

Not having a can will be weird at that point.

[Deadwing]

I'd get a dedicated 9mm can or two (all my pistol cans are 45s). I'd also pick up a 22LR can.

[Joelski]

Dear Mr. President, could you just please sign this into law by executive order on January 20th, and finish the legislative process at a later date? We are so irredeemably deplorable as to not want to wait a day longer to get our hearing protective devices. And, oh yeah; that $200 fee would really come in handy to put toward my next one. These will be considered ppe by the agencies I work with. Thanks much. Your friend, Joel

PS: Lock the bitch up. [emoji481]

I just want the can I paid for to begin with. After that, an Optimus and a couple of Recces. Yes, call me a Griffin shill. I like the small operation where the main players actually use and demo their stuff.

[UWone77]

I think I'm the only person that thinks this Bill is going no where.

[Deadwing]

I think I'm the only person that thinks this Bill is going no where.

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[UWone77]

2524

I think people just have short term memories.

Hughes Amendment, 1989 Importation Ban all brought to you by Republican Presidents.

Obviously I'd love to see the HPA be a reality, but I'll keep filling out Form 4's until I hear otherwise. Besides, if HPA passes, good luck finding a can in stock for the next year. [:D]

[gatordev]

I think I'm the only person that thinks this Bill is going no where.

You are not.

My answer to the original question: I'd get my shocked face and then put it on. There's no super-majority, so nothing can be pushed through, and Congress has its hands full as it is just dealing with Trump's antics.

[Deadwing]

I think people just have short term memories.

Hughes Amendment, 1989 Importation Ban all brought to you by Republican Presidents.

Obviously I'd love to see the HPA be a reality, but I'll keep filling out Form 4's until I hear otherwise. Besides, if HPA passes, good luck finding a can in stock for the next year. [:D]

I hear ya. But if it's going to pass, now will be the time, with Republicans in control across the board. But like you said, Republicans have screwed 2A supporters in the past.

The biggest advantage for me will be reduced processing times on my Form 1s. With cans no longer needing BATFE approval, examiners should have some extra time on their hands. And i'm not concerned with suppressor inventory being depleted. I'm pretty well set up with what i've got (and whats still in the pipeline). It'll give my wallet a chance to recover. [BD]

[GOST]

I think I'm the only person that thinks this Bill is going no where.

The question was not do you think it will pass.;)

[Vel]

I'm not getting my hopes up. BUT, if it were to pass, a .338 and .50BMG can from Elite Iron would be in my immediate future.

[SINNER]

I'm not getting my hopes up. BUT, if it were to pass, a .338 and .50BMG can from Elite Iron would be in my immediate future.

I own a few Elite Iron cans and without a doubt the SilencerCo .338 Big bore is a better can. My friend has the EE on a Desert Tech and the BB was quieter and much lighter. Great cans but too heavy and poor mounting options have really dated their design.


And piss off UW. It will pass. ;)

[Sak007]

Just these
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[Joelski]

Just these
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I hate you..


J/K, but damn!

[UWone77]

I own a few Elite Iron cans and without a doubt the SilencerCo .338 Big bore is a better can. My friend has the EE on a Desert Tech and the BB was quieter and much lighter. Great cans but too heavy and poor mounting options have really dated their design.


And piss off UW. It will pass. ;)

LOL... I wouldn't be pissed at all. I will find it entertaining when people start bitching the can they want has been out of stock with no ETA for months. [:D]

I just think people have unrealistic expectations with gun bills.

[Joelski]

LOL... I wouldn't be pissed at all. I will find it entertaining when people start bitching the can they want has been out of stock with no ETA for months. [:D]

I just think people have unrealistic expectations with gun bills.

Kiss SF goodbye for a nice, long time. Mattis will be all about taking silent killer system wide once some good feedback comes in from that first Marine division that's getting them.

[alamo5000]

I think I'm the only person that thinks this Bill is going no where.

If it's ever had a time to pass this is it. Even though I REALLY want it to pass I think it's probably wise to not get our hopes up too much.

Everybody knows I am 100% for it and pretty vocal about it too, but counting chickens before they hatch is rarely a good thing. If I go by my luck it will jinx the whole thing.

[Uffdaphil]

I'd be happy (for now) with a condition that cans require the instant background check by an FFL to weed out felons. And only be transferred via FFL. This would sound reasonable to the non-zealot non gun owner. And I think the precedent would ease the way for applying the same standard next to SBR sales.

It could force the ATF to disclose what percentage of non-approved stamps would not have been caught by the insta-check. A tiny number would make it hard justify continuing the practice. A large number would call for a better criminal database which would also make ATF investigations moot.

[alamo5000]

I'd be happy (for now) with a condition that cans require the instant background check by an FFL to weed out felons. And only be transferred via FFL. This would sound reasonable to the non-zealot non gun owner. And I think the precedent would ease the way for applying the same standard next to SBR sales.

It could force the ATF to disclose what percentage of non-approved stamps would not have been caught by the insta-check. A tiny number would make it hard justify continuing the practice. A large number would call for a better criminal database which would also make ATF investigations moot.

One thing is for sure: Trump can end the 41F crap with one stroke of his pen.

And you know what I think? I think the ATF wants him to. Why? Because they are under staffed, and supposedly under budget as is. They had all this paperwork coming out of their asses BEFORE 41F was implemented (unilaterally by Obama). Then after that action now they ALSO have the onerous task of doing a background check on each person that's on an application...which means they have... with the stroke of a pen almost tripled their work load with little to no increase in budget or staffing.

On a side note I did extensive background checks for a living for about 4+ years. Every single day for the most part I was doing the same kind of background check Obama supposedly instantly put upon the ATF.

Not only are they not staffed for it, they aren't trained for it either. In the organization I worked for it would take around a year for someone to learn how to properly conduct a full background investigation. You have to learn not only the penal codes for your state, but for every other state, as well as the history of the laws in question, as well as learn how to read and interpret legal documentation.

It's not so easy as 'put this guy's social security number in there and see if something comes up'.

The people that are free and clear and never got a parking ticket before are pretty easy to clear. One person could do 20 or 30 of those in a day. But the minute something questionable comes up it goes from minutes to sometimes months to clear that person.

I worked for a large government agency and was in charge of HR--and that agency required everyone (except office staff) to be legal to carry firearms as well as other minimum requirements. The section that I pushed paper for was responsible for clearing (and maintaining those clearances) for around 35,000 people... so in other words I'm not just speaking out of the left side of my ass here.

To put the burden of all these background checks on the ATF is onerous at best. And while we are on the subject the Insta-Check system is nowhere near fool proof as is. I could literally write you a book about how screwed up that is and why it's a weak system. Don't get me wrong it does catch some people but overall it gets about a C+ to maybe a B for being effective.

[fledge]

While we wait for HPA, I'd think a modified 41F would be great. Retract the fingerprint requirements but keep the removal of local approvals.

Then create a streamlined approval system that takes only a week. We all have ideas how this can be simplified greatly without the need for congress.

[DeviantLogic]

While we wait for HPA, I'd think a modified 41F would be great. Retract the fingerprint requirements but keep the removal of local approvals.

Then create a streamlined approval system that takes only a week. We all have ideas how this can be simplified greatly without the need for congress.

I kind of think this could happen...possible in lieu of the HPA. Why? Money. Still have a $200 tax (income), would still have to go through class 3's (income), but transfers would only require a NICS background check instead of the lengthy ATF manual processing (lower expenses).

[SINNER]

They should not be regulated at all. Makes about as much sense as restricting optics. No serial numbers, no nothing. Just a add on accessory.

[GOST]

They should not be regulated at all. Makes about as much sense as restricting optics. No serial numbers, no nothing. Just a add on accessory.

Completely agree, it's like states not allowing flash hiders.

[Uffdaphil]

They should not be regulated at all. Makes about as much sense as restricting optics. No serial numbers, no nothing. Just a add on accessory.

Agreed 100%, but the operative word is "should." Not an important term to the gutless lifers in DC.

[Deadwing]

While we wait for HPA, I'd think a modified 41F would be great. Retract the fingerprint AND PHOTO requirements but keep the removal of local approvals.

This would be better.

[DeviantLogic]

Might have to get me one of these...https://silencerco.com/maxim (https://silencerco.com/maxim/). Starts shipping in April.

[voodoo_man]

Might have to get me one of these...https://silencerco.com/maxim (https://silencerco.com/maxim/). Starts shipping in April.

Too big to CCW.

[Joelski]

As hideous as it looks SciFi films will finally have something besides Rhinos as sidearms.

[Former11B]

Imagine buying SiCo's Maxim 9 like any other pistol

[fledge]

Maxim 9 would make a nice nightstand pistol for the ladies.

[nCarnage]

Would be nice if made into law. Would have to see what my corrupted state will do since it has a bill addressing this. Since Illinois doesn't allow suppressors.
But looking into the 9mm Osprey for my 9s. Don't know what to get for the 5.56 toys.

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[Stone]

Im gonna buy some ear plugs...

[Former11B]

Would be nice if made into law. Would have to see what my corrupted state will do since it has a bill addressing this. Since Illinois doesn't allow suppressors.
But looking into the 9mm Osprey for my 9s. Don't know what to get for the 5.56 toys.

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Griffin Recce 5

[Joelski]

Latest news: HPA referred to the subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security and Investigations on 2/6 and is up to 97 sponsors in the House. This is the first movement since introduction on 1/9, but interestingly, that day it was sent to Ways & Means and was also referred to Judiciary for an indeterminate period of time, so in taking just under a month this time it seems to be getting better movement than in 2015. Here's hope this thing can keep gathering steam and make it to the floor by Summer.

I'm hoping the 2nd Ammendment Coalition is appointed pretty soon; their connections will be key to getting some momentum behind this thing.

[UWone77]

Remember when this thing was a virtual lock to get passed? [:D][BD]

[Tyrannosaur]

I member.. you member when Republicans had the House, Senate and presidency and the President said the 8 year assault on our 2A rights was over... those were the days. Now I'm beginning to miss Obama

[Joelski]

I member.. you member when Republicans had the House, Senate and presidency and the President said the 8 year assault on our 2A rights was over... those were the days. Now I'm beginning to miss ObamaYou have a great fucking time with that. No matter what, this country is still far better off without that tub of shit.

[voodoo_man]

Even though for now the HPA and national ccw are dead in the water, they are not fully drowned. There is still hope.

[Tyrannosaur]

You have a great fucking time with that. No matter what, this country is still far better off without that tub of shit.

Whoa whoa I was joking, but when it comes to gun rights he had no impact (except uniting the community and selling a shit ton of guns). The new guy seems hell bent on passing laws and emboldening the anti's. 2A is at the tippy top if my list of things i am motivated by when it comes to voting. I don't know what the heck is going on lately with this administration

[Joelski]

Well, then it's time to get busy. No chicken little but H.R. 5087 will make everything illegal. The libs are willing to let us have our 2A... with bb guns.