Attention Washington State Residents!

[Deadwing]

As i'm sure you are all aware, there are a number of pieces of proposed legislation that would severely hinder our rights as gun owners in Washington state. Please take a few minutes and click the links below and let your legislators know that you strongly oppose these and any other infringements upon our Second Amendment rights. If there are any i've forgotten about, please let me know!

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill//5444

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill//1387

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill//5050

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill//1134

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill//1122

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill//5463

[Former11B]

SC has a really ridiculous piece of legislation that a (D) senator put forward: he wants to require anyone with a concealed weapons permit to have a sticker on their vehicle's license plate that indicates they have a CWP. [crazy] Yeah, there's no potential for screw ups with that....

[Deadwing]

SC has a really ridiculous piece of legislation that a (D) senator put forward: he wants to require anyone with a concealed weapons permit to have a sticker on their vehicle's license plate that indicates they have a CWP. [crazy] Yeah, there's no potential for screw ups with that....

WTF. Sanity has left the building...

[tb417]

If they run your plates, they get your name. I don't know if they still do but Washington used to run TIEPIN which would list a temperament score that would tell them if you had a concealed pistols permit.

[Dstrbdmedic167]

They can tell when they run your plates here in NC as well.


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[Joelski]

Depressing laws to go with the weather. Vote 'em out! You guys will never smell freedom until you clean house of the obstructionist lefties.

[UWone77]

Too many CA transplants up here controlling Seattle / King County. Virtually every initiative that goes to the voters asking for more taxes, more government, and more gun control usually passes.

[Aragorn]

Maybe we need a California wall..

[FortTom]

Maybe we need a California wall..
Wall off CA, OR and WA. Give the whole mess to Canada, if they'll have them. Also we can allow as many folks from terrorist countries to fly into LAX as wants to. We flyover states and deplorables are sick of the their out of perspective, large number of Reps in the House passing shit we have to live with. End of Rant. Fortunately, they've got their hands in the cookie jar this time and can't get out of a minority.[:D] P.S. The very reason I took a pass at buying a boat and retiring in San Diego. That's what I did about it, rather sit and suck on it and simmer.

[Former11B]

If they run your plates, they get your name. I don't know if they still do but Washington used to run TIEPIN which would list a temperament score that would tell them if you had a concealed pistols permit.

Not in SC

And what's a temperament score in regards to a traffic stop?

[FortTom]

Not in SC

And what's a temperament score in regards to a traffic stop?
In KY we can carry concealed in our vehicles without a CCW, but must be in console or glove compartment. Not ideal, but o.k. Supposed to have "constitutional carry" in legislation, but I can't find out what the status of that is. We have open carry, but even gun owners can't agree on that. (Sometimes we're our own worst enemy). Still need a permit to carry out of state, though. In a traffic stop, we don't tell if the cops don't ask. If they as, we keep our hands on the wheel and answer, then follow instruction. Haven't heard a single person complain about being harassed, if they have KY plates on the vehicle. IL plates get you an automatic beat down. [:D] Just kidding....maybe.

FT[:D]

[KW900A]

Perhaps DJT should put the brakes on the wall and see if CALEXIT works out, then just alter the plans and turn it north at Yuma.

In VA they can tell by running tags also. That's pretty ridiculous F11B.

Seems like the entire left coast is brainwashed libs making legislation anymore. I'm so fed up with "guns are bad, we love illegals, if you have a dick and wish you didn't it's ok to use the ladies room" BS

Here in VA our legislative body is majority republican, but he have a governor who vetoes everything moderately conservative. I think I heard awhile back he's holding the veto record. We need to get him gone. He's the same genius that yanked reciprocity with over a dozen states a year or so ago. Luckily that was undone.

[alamo5000]

SC has a really ridiculous piece of legislation that a (D) senator put forward: he wants to require anyone with a concealed weapons permit to have a sticker on their vehicle's license plate that indicates they have a CWP. [crazy] Yeah, there's no potential for screw ups with that....

I don't know how other states do it but in Texas when you get a CHL permit they tag your Driver's License in the NCIC and TCIC system. That for those that don't know are the criminal data bases used statewide and nationally. So basically if I cop even pulls up behind you driving down the road they can run your license plate and find out who you are (as long as you're the registered owner of the vehicle) and they can know if you have a CHL before they ever get out of the car.

The general attitude here is that if you have a CHL there is almost 100% chance that you are not a criminal merely because you have to have your background done as part of the CHL process. In the end traffic stops generally go a lot nicer because they have 99% certainty that yes while you may be speeding but you're not some big time criminal and there is proof of that right there in your hand. Throw in there that there are millions--probably 4 or 5 million CHL holders in the state and it works out pretty good.

[alamo5000]

Too many CA transplants up here controlling Seattle / King County. Virtually every initiative that goes to the voters asking for more taxes, more government, and more gun control usually passes.

It seems like California people are overrunning everything. Arizona, Utah, Nevada. It's like rats off a sinking ship. Texas even has their share of them.

[Deadwing]

Depressing laws to go with the weather. Vote 'em out! You guys will never smell freedom until you clean house of the obstructionist lefties.

I don't mind the weather (except this bullshit 14" of snow that got dumped on us Sunday). As for voting them out, i'm doing my part. But UW's quote below pretty much says it all...



Too many CA transplants up here controlling Seattle / King County. Virtually every initiative that goes to the voters asking for more taxes, more government, and more gun control usually passes.

The sad truth.



Maybe we need a California wall..

Give the liberals LA and wall it off. That place is a shithole anyway. Besides, the only reason CA has become so bad is because of the LA/Hollywood crowd, along with the Bay Area and Silicon Valley. Wealthy, influential liberals. And with companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Starbucks, etc., all those assholes are moving up here.



Wall off CA, OR and WA. Give the whole mess to Canada, if they'll have them. Also we can allow as many folks from terrorist countries to fly into LAX as wants to. We flyover states and deplorables are sick of the their out of perspective, large number of Reps in the House passing shit we have to live with. End of Rant. Fortunately, they've got their hands in the cookie jar this time and can't get out of a minority.[:D] P.S. The very reason I took a pass at buying a boat and retiring in San Diego. That's what I did about it, rather sit and suck on it and simmer.

I'm not giving up my state without a fight. I was here first, so the invasive libtards can pack their shit and GTFO. I feel your frustration, as unbalanced representation has a double impact here on the vast majority of the state. The Seattle liberal elite and their out of state pals (like Bloomberg) ensure they get their way when it comes to state initiatives, and they also ensure WA is represented by liberals at the national level. Outside of the Seattle and Portland metro areas, WA and OR are vastly different places. Build walls around those cities, and let the rest of us live free.

[Deadwing]

It seems like California people are overrunning everything. Arizona, Utah, Nevada. It's like rats off a sinking ship. Texas even has their share of them.

The question is, are the Californians that are moving to free states people who are trying to escape the tyranny of Kommiefornia, or are they invasive species liberal type of Californian trying to spread their lunacy to other places?

Washington seems to have the latter, liberal tech workers and execs taking over like an invasive species, choking out the native population with their liberal, utopian, psychobabble bullshit.

[Former11B]

I guess I don't see the point of pairing a Concealed Carry permit with the vehicle registration; the driver may not necessarily be the owner, and it could either lull the officer into a false sense of security or key them up unnecessarily.

[FortTom]

I guess I don't see the point of pairing a Concealed Carry permit with the vehicle registration; the driver may not necessarily be the owner, and it could either lull the officer into a false sense of security or key them up unnecessarily.
I think the officer is suppose to approach the vehicle with the same vigilance as he/she would if they didn't have a CCW license associated with their tags or liscense or not. From talking to cops around here, anyway. Here, they don't even have to check for insurance. Your insurance company updates their databases monthly, so they even know that, and who knows what else...;)

We're pretty lucky here. The cops are really pretty cool around here, and if you're not acting stupid, they won't bother you in the first place.
FT

[Former11B]

I think the officer is suppose to approach the vehicle with the same vigilance as he/she would if they didn't have a CCW license associated with their tags or liscense or not. From talking to cops around here, anyway. Here, they don't even have to check for insurance. Your insurance company updates their databases monthly, so they even know that, and who knows what else...;)

We're pretty lucky here. The cops are really pretty cool around here, and if you're not acting stupid, they won't bother you in the first place.
FT

I agree entirely about the same posture no matter what. I just haven't heard any good rationale for linking weapons permits with the drivers license

[alamo5000]

I agree entirely about the same posture no matter what. I just haven't heard any good rationale for linking weapons permits with the drivers license

The rationale here in Texas as far as I know is that it's simply a hell of a lot more cost effective. Instead of creating an entirely new database and system for valid CHL holders all they really did was just tack on a few more fields into the driver's license system. Getting the license is easy, implementation is easy, keeping track of who has one and when it needs to be renewed is easy. You can update your address just as easy as you can with your driver's license.

I think the system was born more out of practicality rather than some means to keep tabs on people. That said in Texas I don't know the exact time frame but if you get caught doing a crime of some sort they can ID you and revoke your CHL should the need arise. (That said something like 150 people out of about 5 million have their license pulled annually). It's not a lot but when the cops do need to react they can very promptly.

Our DL doesn't say a word about CHL and neither does your car... but if the cops run your ID or run your plate and ultimately attach it to your ID they get a response back in about 2 minutes 'please be advised that the subject has a valid CHL'. And if you're playing odds you have a better chance of getting struck twice by lightening than you do having to deal with a crime amongst CHL holders...so 90% of the time cops are like 'hey man hows it going. you got a weapon on you?' "yeah? oh man thats nice... I love Sig! Now slow down please" and off you go.

On the flip side of that if you're a cop and pulling over a shady pimped out car full of questionable individuals you probably will handle it differently.

[Jumpmaster]

I despise this State (WA). Bunch of tree-hugging, foul smelling deviants. As soon as I am able I'm moving to Montana. These libtards are clueless.

[Sak007]

I'm a California transplant that moved to WA , On behalf of my former state I apologize I though I locked the door behind me :(

[Deadwing]

I'm a California transplant that moved to WA , On behalf of my former state I apologize I though I locked the door behind me :(

Apology accepted. And thanks for not being a liberal idiot. [BD]

[fairlanericky]

I'm a California transplant that moved to WA , On behalf of my former state I apologize I though I locked the door behind me :(


I'm with Sak on this one. I've been here almost 20 years and wish my family would leave that dung heap.



Ric

[FortTom]

I despise this State (WA). Bunch of tree-hugging, foul smelling deviants. As soon as I am able I'm moving to Montana. These libtards are clueless.
Please, don't sugar coat it, Jumpmaster - tell us how you really feel....[:D]

Our problem is jobs. KY has been building new factories and creating jobs (in certain areas) despite everything Obama could do to stop us. Case in point: Amazon building new hub here in my city = 2700 new jobs. People flood from the north to try to get these jobs. Soon after arriving, they start talking their anit-gun shit, and (Lord help them) their anti-hunting crap and their general "the world owes me" crap. Their sons and daughters don't feel the need to finish high school, and are the seeds of gangs and drug dealing, and 18 year old welfare "baby mamma" with five kids.

Those new transplants cost us way more than the tax dollars the jobs generate.

KY is a very friendly state. I've talked to many, many visitors who are amazed of how friendly and polite we are. But when they start talking their anti 2A crap, or go into a rage if they see someone open carry, or dressed in hunting outfits, they get shut down pretty damned quick, when they find out that 100 of their co-workers, and all of their neighbors aren't so friendly anymore, and not ashamed to be vocal about it either.

When a certain element's kids decided to start gang banging, the county Sherriff said screw that, and within a year their neighborhood was a ghost town, no graffiti on walls anywhere, and crimes back down to average for a midsize town. Certain areas like Louisville is rampant, but we more or less have it "cordoned" off metaphorically speaking, and let them prosper or self-destruct on their own.

Moral of this rant? People are going to follow the property values and the jobs. I have friends from Texas who are virtually stunned by the left wing crap that a tidal wave of Californians that came there for jobs, sold their modest small homes for a million bucks, and spent a third of that on a 6 bedroom home in TX, escaped the crippling taxes, then want to bring their liberal bullshit and ideas there, which ironically is what forced them to leave CA in the first place. Sort of like the muslim immigrants who are dying to get away from their own hell hole, just to come here and practice the same life they fled from.

Organize your friends and neighbors who are opposed to these transplants changing the rules upon their arrival. Fire politicians that won't stand up for your rights and hire new ones. That includes Sheriffs where elected, councilmen, mayors, hell kick the sanitation manager to the curb if that's what it takes. Let people call you racist, xenophobes, homophobes, etc. Except for the "racist" which is getting way to old, none of the other names will hurt you. And that laundry list of name calling really did Hillary a lot of good, didn't it?[:D] Besides, here we have very little negative racial problems. It's something for the overwhelming part of us called "respect", for our shared values and life goals. We don't need outsiders coming in and implementing Saul Alinsky's/ Soros funded disruption of the harmony we share, and most people here, regardless of race will shut those people down really, really fast, to the point that they don't know what hit them, and are gone in a heart beat. God help anybody stupid enough to take 15 buck an hour to be bussed in here to riot, destroy, burn or loot in the name of a "protest". If you ever see that on the news, happening here, grab a beer and some popcorn and watch what happens.[:D] We, of all races here, will reign hell on those who would beat old people, burn, loot and destroy in the guise of their constitutional right to peaceful protest.

I could go on, but this isn't really a political rant, it's a rant on how to SAVE YOUR HERITAGE 2a GUNS AND HUNTING RIGHTS from left wing invaders and interlopers. We have some of the loosest gun laws in the nation. If someone stands in our way of entering public land to go hunting, they get their asses kicked, literally, then arrested for impeding a lawful activity (a bad day for them, all around). It works. We make it work with our cash, votes and actions. And many of us cheer the thought of CALEXIT. I can understand those who for one reason or another, must live in a state which holds them in contempt for wanting to exercise their rights, but honestly? I don't see many folks on the news raising hell (without violence) to defend their rights. I'm thinking you might fight a little harder against those who outnumber you, me, I'm willing to die for mine. I'd rather die than be a subject of pukes hosting riots against us, than subject myself to them.

Whoa, sorry for the rant, but I'm almost 60, and was raised to believe that America can only get better and better. Now we need water cannons to punch out people that our forefathers died to keep us from.

Jim

FT.:P

[Sak007]

I just received this e-mail from Rep. Mike Chapman

thanks for your input! While I did not sign on to the bill banning the purchase of assault rifles I do believe expanded background checks and waiting periods are appropriate before one is allowed to purchase these types of weapons.

That said I doubt either of these bills will be enacted into law by the Legislature. Instead, they will most likely move to the ballot as initiatives. Early polling shows they both have a good chance to pass.

Representative Mike Chapman
24th Legislative District
Assistant Majority Whip
Vice-Chair Ag & Natural Resources
Mike.Chapman@leg.wa.gov

House of Representatives
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
360-786-7916

[BoilerUp]

well, that's disheartening...

[UWone77]

I am obviously 100% against any type of ban in WA... however, I almost guarantee you 100% an "assault weapons" type ban is coming. Maybe not in 2017, but definitely in 2018. Don't be stupid, if you can get out, do so. I know I'll be here at least 10 more years. BUT... if you want to get some extra mags or that rifle you've been eyeing, don't wait. Stock is high, prices are low. Don't wait until they enact legislation and panic buying ensues.

I'm not trying to be negative, but we all know King County / Seattle controls the entire state, and those people vote and vote multiple times when possible.

[Deadwing]

I am obviously 100% against any type of ban in WA... however, I almost guarantee you 100% an "assault weapons" type ban is coming. Maybe not in 2017, but definitely in 2018. Don't be stupid, if you can get out, do so. I know I'll be here at least 10 more years. BUT... if you want to get some extra mags or that rifle you've been eyeing, don't wait. Stock is high, prices are low. Don't wait until they enact legislation and panic buying ensues.

I'm not trying to be negative, but we all know King County / Seattle controls the entire state, and those people vote and vote multiple times when possible.

That is the same sinking feeling i have. And it REALLY pisses me off. Give these fuckers an inch (I-594), and they take a mile (bans galore). It's especially aggravating because it's really only a few counties that are responsible for this crap, along with their out-of-state financial backing. It's time more people take a stand. I do my best to educate those who are oblivious or apathetic, i write letters to legislators, i spread the word as much as i can, and urge those who are passionate about protecting their rights to do the same. But it sure would be nice if we had some backing from the NRA or GOA, etc. on fighting this crap so WA doesn't become Kommiefornia North.

[FortTom]

... It's time more people take a stand. I do my best to educate those who are oblivious or apathetic, i write letters to legislators, i spread the word as much as i can, and urge those are are passionate about protecting their rights to do the same...

Unfortunately, most gun owners I know just won't take the time to do this. They bitch and moan about the "minority" and "out of state" people making rules, etc., ad nauseam. But when it's time to write, call or email politicians it's always "well I've got two kids and didn't have the time", or I was going to but my wife was using the computer, or some other bull crap. When it comes to helping fund organizations that fight for gun rights, it's the same kind of crap...well I was kind of short last week....blah blah blah. They always assume that because we are a conservative state that it couldn't happen here and they are comfortable with that. What they fail to realize is that Louisville and Lexington have liberal strongholds here, and the left is totally passionate about their crap. Also, bans, laws, restrictions, etc. come from the Federal level, where a handful of states in the nation control what the majority do.

I would very respectfully, screaming and vulgarities only work for paid liberal protesters like the vagina heads, etc., re-write that letter to say that any inaction on your part will result in a grass roots campaign to replace you the next election cycle. Then DO it. Get your gun club involved, find as many gun stores in your state as you can and email them petitions, etc., flood them (your state senators and representatives) with phone calls and tell your friends they can take five minutes out of the week, away from "the kids" and get off of their apathetic asses and email a letter and call their representatives. At the very least you can let them (politicians) know people are paying attention, and that senate seat doesn't come with a life time guarantee.

FT

FT

[KW900A]

I always send handwritten letters. In the electronic age, I feel proof that you took time to sit down for awhile and write something says a lot. Of course, I'm sure many don't even notice. But such a thing does not go unnoticed on my end. But I also have legible handwriting.

[Deadwing]

I would very respectfully, screaming and vulgarities only work for paid liberal protesters like the vagina heads, etc., re-write that letter to say that any inaction on your part will result in a grass roots campaign to replace you the next election cycle.

FT


That is the general message I try to get across in my letters. I maintain a very professional respectful tone and refrain from using vulgarities, but get the message across that this matters to me and that i am paying close attention to it, and that i'm also paying close attention to their actions (or inactions) regarding the specific legislation or any future legislation, and that their actions or inactions regarding the specific or any future legislation will have a significant effect on their employment status come the next election cycle.

In this day and age where we are wired and connected 24/7/365, there is ZERO excuse for people to not get involved and have their voice heard. When everyone has a smartphone, kids and no computer, etc. simply isn't a valid excuse. Especially when i provide people with not only links, but copies of letters that they need only personalize with their name. I make it as easy as possible for them to do SOMETHING. There is zero excuse for not stepping up and taking action. And i deal with national issues in the same fashion. This government for, of, and by the people only works when the people get involved!