150 Grain SMK (Extreme Long Range Bullet)

[alamo5000]

Advertised BC and actual BC are two totally different beasts. Then there's the issue of consistency from lot to lot, and the fact that they're still not tipping them.

I am a total open book for the next 'big' build (or purchase) I do. I still might be quite a ways off due to finances and stuff. I haven't decided on a caliber just yet... I am basically 'window shopping' while I learn stuff.

As of right now if I was rich I would build or buy an AR10 that I have always wanted and then also build a custom bolt rig that can shoot long range (1600+ or a mile or so).

Right now my thinking is that a 6.5 CM would scratch my itches better. Firstly I will and do reload. Dropping $5000 bucks on a rifle setup for 98% pure steel shooting fun I think the 6.5 would be a reasonable choice. Even with these expensive ass bullets I could probably reload for a lot more reasonable rate. After the price of brass is factored out I could probably be shooting for .50 cents to .75 cents a round. If I chose different more common bullets probably much less. Basically I could afford to shoot it at that price. For less than $100 bucks I could go have a whole day of fun.

That caliber and bullet combos basically offers me the ability to shoot far for less $$ as other options. For me the decision is much more about the best allocation of funds. Shooting sure as hell isn't a cheap sport so I have to figure my best bang. If I ever did go hunting for example I am certain a 6.5 CM would smoke bambi in a heartbeat. That said I am not a big hunter per se (not for lack of desire) so most if not all of my shooting is entertainment purposes only.

The long range bug though is like crack. It's addictive as hell. I like shooting all kinds of things, but getting in the zone and laying them out there far is awesome. It's relaxing, requires a lot of concentration, but also gives me that 'high'. I don't know how I will get from point A to B but I am going to get there eventually even if I have to buy stuff part by part over time.

[alamo5000]

If I was UWone77 though it would be a totally different situation Man. That guy must have inherited a ton of money! LOL

[Ordnance]

If you reload, and you're not worried about factory ammo offerings, I would also heavily consider the 6.5x47. Semi's have increased difficulty when it comes to overall accuracy due to having more recoil impulses than the singular impulse of a bolt, so if you're just starting out, you might want to start with a bolt before a semi. If you want, I can direct you towards good resources for finding deals on loading components and other long range equipment. It is bloody expensive, but if you pay attention to promotions, and buy in bulk lots when you can, it a) gets even cheaper, and b) then you're working with same lots in bullets and powder, so you tend to get more consistency in your loads, and therefore better accuracy. There's also reloading equipment out there that you may have never even hear of, that makes it easier to load with more consistency and precision, but they aren't cheap.

[Ordnance]

If I was UWone77 though it would be a totally different situation Man. That guy must have inherited a ton of money! LOL

Please... we all know he be robbin drug dealers on Pac Ave... lol

[alamo5000]

If you reload, and you're not worried about factory ammo offerings, I would also heavily consider the 6.5x47. Semi's have increased difficulty when it comes to overall accuracy due to having more recoil impulses than the singular impulse of a bolt, so if you're just starting out, you might want to start with a bolt before a semi. If you want, I can direct you towards good resources for finding deals on loading components and other long range equipment. It is bloody expensive, but if you pay attention to promotions, and buy in bulk lots when you can, it a) gets even cheaper, and b) then you're working with same lots in bullets and powder, so you tend to get more consistency in your loads, and therefore better accuracy. There's also reloading equipment out there that you may have never even hear of, that makes it easier to load with more consistency and precision, but they aren't cheap.

The really long range precision gun will be a bolt gun. No doubt. As for reloading I am an advanced amateur. I reload everything. I have dreams about a spending the cash to get a dream set up so I could load a lot of ammo fast. Which is of course more money.

Honestly the biggest 'problem' (not really a problem per se) I have is getting an accurate enough charge. Keep in mind I get fanatical about it. For a while there I was weighing my cases and all that stuff which is actually a lot bigger deal than a couple extra kernels of powder...

If I go down this ultra long range rabbit hole though I am not going to scrimp. Even taking my time with what I have now I can make some decent loads no problem. I could churn out 100 rounds in not very long at all. The charging part though is what slows me down, mainly because I am OCD.

With my 16" AR when I was really pushing it I got a 10 shot group that I could cover up with a dime at 100 yards... you could see a little bit of the color but the dime covered the holes. I am guessing that was around .5 MOA or less? If I could weight match my brass and mass produce ammo like that it would be wonderful, but I backed off of my OCD some but it's still doing ok.

Reloading is a hobby in and of itself. I can go on all day about that and STILL have more to learn.

Please... we all know he be robbin drug dealers on Pac Ave... lol

It has to be. He's that guy from Training Day where they snag a trash bag full of cash for their troubles. LOL!

[UWone77]

You really take shit way to personal there "chief." You made a statement about ballistics that was incorrect. I didn't say you were a retard, but simply that you might have it confused with the Grendel, and then gave you information regarding the actual differences. How about instead of me putting you on ignore, so you can feel good about saying whatever you want without ever being corrected, you instead realize your on an internet forum, and therefore you will encounter differing opinions. If you really don't GAF, then why even bother responding?

Maybe if you worked on your delivery and didn't come off like a dick head, people would like you more and listen to what you had to say.

If I was UWone77 though it would be a totally different situation Man. That guy must have inherited a ton of money! LOL

I was dirt poor as a kid, never came from money.

I've been lucky over the years. Got into a house pretty cheap, my house payment for years was less than $750. Left plenty of cash for guns!

A few years ago I inherited 55k from my aunt when she passed. I promptly used the money to redo the kitchen countertops at my parents house and bought my old man a car. That's the only cash I've ever received that was an unexpected "windfall"

Please... we all know he be robbin drug dealers on Pac Ave... lol

You actually have to work at being as poor as you are.

[Joelski]

Maybe if you worked on your delivery and didn't come off like a dick head, people would like you more and listen to what you had to say.

Fucking A!

I appreciate advice and accept constructive criticism pretty well too. Maybe it's not me if its apparent to other people.

[alamo5000]

I was dirt poor as a kid, never came from money.

I've been lucky over the years. Got into a house pretty cheap, my house payment for years was less than $750. Left plenty of cash for guns!

A few years ago I inherited 55k from my aunt when she passed. I promptly used the money to redo the kitchen countertops at my parents house and bought my old man a car. That's the only cash I've ever received that was an unexpected "windfall"

I was just poking fun. I don't mind other people having good fortune.

[alamo5000]

Fucking A!

I appreciate advice and accept constructive criticism pretty well too. Maybe it's not me if its apparent to other people.

Do we need a group hug here? LOL!!

[UWone77]

Fucking A!

I appreciate advice and accept constructive criticism pretty well too. Maybe it's not me if its apparent to other people.

I know Ordnance personally. Super knowledgeable, basically my personal "go to" anything long range shooting related.

But... dude... stop being a dick online.

[Ordnance]

You actually have to work at being as poor as you are.

Or don't work, ergo...