Larue SUURG and ATF legality?

**Former11B** · 23 February 2018, 18:09

https://www.larue.com/products/larue...ate-suurg-kit/

They have the baffle stack acting as a giant brake welded to the barrel to get away with only one stamp for the suppressor, and not two as an SBR + suppressor.

Sig tried this a year ago and the ATF shot them down. What’s the difference?

**BoilerUp** · 23 February 2018, 18:15

If I'm reading it right, they are selling this an NFA item for the suppressor such that you skip the SBR stamp. Sig was trying to skip both the SBR and the Suppressor stamps by not shrouding the pinned "muzzle device"

**fledge** · 23 February 2018, 18:15

I must be missing something. The barrel is welded to the suppressor. They say it’s a suppressor. They say it requires a stamp.

Sig tried to pass it as a brake and not a suppressor. Therefore no stamp. And they failed.

What am I missing?

**SINNER** · 23 February 2018, 19:50

For one, the LaRue it’s not the baffle stack on the barrel, it is the brake welded on the barrel to get the 16” length.

And Sig tried to sell a naked baffle stack as a brake. Big differences.

**UWone77** · 23 February 2018, 20:46

Originally Posted by fledge

I must be missing something. The barrel is welded to the suppressor. They say it’s a suppressor. They say it requires a stamp.

Sig tried to pass it as a brake and not a suppressor. Therefore no stamp. And they failed.

What am I missing?

That's exactly how I read it.

**SINNER** · 23 February 2018, 21:13

So neither of you can read? Lol

**fledge** · 23 February 2018, 21:27

I watched the video too.

I think we’re all saying the same thing. Where did Former11B run off to?

**Former11B** · 24 February 2018, 04:32

Sig was saying you could get it as a one stamp if you wanted the suppressor; who would buy this without the can? It’s EXACTLY the same: a one stamp gun with a welded baffle stack eliminating the SBR stamp. Sig was never trying to get around a suppressor stamp. This is EXACTLY what Larue is doing that the ATF said no to Sig on: a welded baffle stack to a short barrel with a removable tube for maintenance.

Originally Posted by BoilerUp

If I'm reading it right, they are selling this an NFA item for the suppressor such that you skip the SBR stamp. Sig was trying to skip both the SBR and the Suppressor stamps by not shrouding the pinned "muzzle device"

If bought without the tube. But who would do that? Larue’s would Be legal if bought without the tube, not that they would sell it that way.

Originally Posted by SINNER

For one, the LaRue it’s not the baffle stack on the barrel, it is the brake welded on the barrel to get the 16” length.

And Sig tried to sell a naked baffle stack as a brake. Big differences.

It’s the guts of the suppressor no matter how you label it

**SINNER** · 24 February 2018, 04:35

It’s not the same. The LaRue is using a 4.5” BRAKE to obtain the 16” barrel length. Sig used a baffle stack. BIG difference.

**Former11B** · 24 February 2018, 04:39

Larue welded “not a brake”

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It’s all just suppressor guts in a different configuration. It’s the same concept. This is ATF fuckery

**SINNER** · 24 February 2018, 04:42

Nope. That’s considered a brake. The baffles are inside the LaRue can that they will be selling with the BRAKE as a complete suppressor also.

**SINNER** · 24 February 2018, 04:45

“The barrel length is 11.5" long on all calibers, the LaRue SURG brake is 'pin and welded' onto the barrel so it's fits the "over 16 inch" barrel regulation (keeping you from having to pay a Short Barrel Tax). The SUURG kit comes with one LaRue SURG suppressor ... which has the same Class 3 transfer stuff any suppressor is subject to.“

Sig wanted to sell a serialized empty tube as a “suppressor” and the ATF correctly laughed them out of the hearing.

**Former11B** · 24 February 2018, 04:51

Ehhh....this is along the same track as calling this a pistol:

Just navigating the retarded bureaucratic mess that is the ATF/NFA.

The big difference here is Larue has MILITARY CONTRACTS and the government has a reason to OK their design; not in Sig’s case...this didn’t benefit Sam in some way

**voodoo_man** · 24 February 2018, 04:54

Who gives a shit what larue does anyway?

**SINNER** · 24 February 2018, 04:54

This is quite clear to me. It’s been decided long ago the difference between a brake and a baffle stack although they are functionally very similar in the world of fluid dynamics. If you slide a tube over the LaRue design it’s still going to be full volume, while a flashlight tube,over the Sig design results in a suppressed weapon.

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