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Thread: Forward assist - Y or N?
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6 July 2018, 05:25 #16
^^ because they would get in the way of those fancy ribbed for her pleasure details on their uppers
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6 July 2018, 06:48 #17
Lol.
Go ahead an run an AR without an FA.
It's your call.
The last thirty years of AR application in the real world have taught us a lot of things, having an FA is one of those things.
This is one of those situations where people have experience on a square range and think it'll transfer over to real world application.
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6 July 2018, 08:54 #18
I’d like to know what issues a F/A has caused?
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6 July 2018, 09:05 #19
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6 July 2018, 09:24 #20
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6 July 2018, 10:07 #21
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6 July 2018, 11:56 #22
The problem with the FA is user error. And as I recall, the FA came about because of inadequate diagnosis of issues and manual of arms. Normalization of a feature does not automatically determine best practice.
When the rifle is inoperable, you should be clearing it, not forcing a number of things into it. In the heat of the moment, do you have the time to diagnose your malfunction? Is there an empty case jamming extraction? Sand and dirt inhibiting chambering? How do you know what the problem is? Do you want your eyes on the threat or to determine if it’s safe to use your FA? You can take yourself out of a fight pushing crap into your chamber or complicating a simple malfunction. Clearing the chamber will always be the best and fastest way to remedy any problem without diagnosing what it is. Always train to clear the chamber with the same action. Pull things out. Don’t push things in. This is true of rifle and pistol. Let the weapon operate as designed.
If you need an FA because you have no lube, you’ve got other problems on your hands.
If you need FA to press check before a confrontation, you need to learn to sort your stuff out before the fight, not during. Plus, you can press check without needing an FA.
That’s the layman’s explanation of the non-FA view. Take it or leave it. I think it complicates training and overthinks a potential problem and adds new ones. As I said above, FA is for safety when climbing trees during the hunt or tinkering at the bench. Otherwise it’s a vestigial organ giving a false sense of security and even encouraging improper function.
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6 July 2018, 12:18 #23
Oh ok, you're talking about operator error. I misinterpreted and thought there was an implication that the part itself somehow was at fault.
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-"The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." ~ Michael Althsuler
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6 July 2018, 12:34 #24
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6 July 2018, 13:30 #25
By that logic, we shouldn't be installing ambi charging handles then.
I think the flaw in this (very tired) argument is that it assumes the issue is in the chamber. It's also very possible that the slow down/lack of battery can be due to crud in the receiver, in which case pushing the FA isn't causing any issue as it relates to a chamber "jam."
Personally, I can't imagine not having a FA. But I've also used a FA on more than one occasion after a rifle has been exposed to dirt and/or rain while also being suppressed.
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6 July 2018, 14:03 #26
Forward Controls Low Drag Forward Assist.
http://www.forwardcontrolsdesign.com...sist_p_16.html
All my AR's with FA have this.-One Nation, Under God
-"The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." ~ Michael Althsuler
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6 July 2018, 16:34 #27
Funny you mentioning this - that's what I'd decided to do as a "compromise" on the issue.
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6 July 2018, 18:57 #28
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6 July 2018, 18:59 #29
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6 July 2018, 19:02 #30
Somebody should make a FA that works as a bottle opener, too.