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    Suppressor Upgrade?

    This is a help me spend my money thread :)

    Just wanted to hear from you guys about it before I jump on it.

    My first 5.56 can is a Recce 5 Mod 3. I have a Recce 5 Mod 4 as well. And a Recce 7 Mod 4.

    The Mod 4 is quieter than the Mod 3 and has less back pressure.

    Now Griffin offers an upgrade service to allow me to get the new eco flow baffles on existing cans.

    The difference between a regular Mod 4 and the Eco Flow baffles equates to about 3 to 4 DB reduction (and reduced back pressure) from the Mod 4 to the new Eco Flow baffles. That is 3 or 4 DB at the muzzle AND at the ear using their standardized testing seen on YouTube. (Same ammo, same host, same machine, indoor sound booth, all calibrated, etc)

    I know I did my 9mm can into the new Eco Flow baffles for that caliber and the difference was definitely noticeable. I'm really glad I did that one.

    So, for a 3 to 4 DB reduction across the board on a 5.56 can (and even more than that going from a Mod 3) would you think it would be worth it to upgrade?

    The cost I think is just north of $200, maybe $250 if I recall correctly. That would take my Mod 3 up to the very latest generation and if I decide to do the Mod 4 it would be the same thing.

    What say you?

    I'm thinking about just starting with one, the oldest one (Mod 3) and seeing how it goes from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alamo5000 View Post
    This is a help me spend my money thread :)

    Just wanted to hear from you guys about it before I jump on it.

    My first 5.56 can is a Recce 5 Mod 3. I have a Recce 5 Mod 4 as well. And a Recce 7 Mod 4.

    The Mod 4 is quieter than the Mod 3 and has less back pressure.

    Now Griffin offers an upgrade service to allow me to get the new eco flow baffles on existing cans.

    The difference between a regular Mod 4 and the Eco Flow baffles equates to about 3 to 4 DB reduction (and reduced back pressure) from the Mod 4 to the new Eco Flow baffles. That is 3 or 4 DB at the muzzle AND at the ear using their standardized testing seen on YouTube. (Same ammo, same host, same machine, indoor sound booth, all calibrated, etc)

    I know I did my 9mm can into the new Eco Flow baffles for that caliber and the difference was definitely noticeable. I'm really glad I did that one.

    So, for a 3 to 4 DB reduction across the board on a 5.56 can (and even more than that going from a Mod 3) would you think it would be worth it to upgrade?

    The cost I think is just north of $200, maybe $250 if I recall correctly. That would take my Mod 3 up to the very latest generation and if I decide to do the Mod 4 it would be the same thing.

    What say you?

    I'm thinking about just starting with one, the oldest one (Mod 3) and seeing how it goes from there.
    They are upgrading welded cans? isn't that basically giving you a new can with your serial number re-engraved, or do they actually break the welds?

    I need to upgrade the baffles for my Paladin and Revolution, but I'm not sure I'd mess with the Recce 5.

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    Yes they are doing new baffles for existing users including sealed cans. From a mod 4 to the eco baffles are the numbers that I put up above. Going from the previous generation (mod 3) it should be even better.

    It would definitely be like a brand new can. I'm pretty sure they will cut it and re baffle it vs just trying to do a brand new one with new engraving. I don't know if they can legally re engrave a new one with your number on it but who knows.

    They have a bunch of new baffle designs that they let existing owners upgrade to. You have to look at their site and see if your can has an upgrade yet.

    Definitely the 9mm was a great improvement. Not only do the baffles on the 9mm lock together a lot better than the old ones, it is definitely more quiet.

    I described it like this before: can you tell a sound difference between the full length 9mm can and the K version? If so that's roughly the gain in performance from the old baffles to the new ones using the same can orientation.

    In my opinion it's definitely worth it for 9mm.

    I will probably do just the Mod 3 and shoot it side by side with the others and see if it's worth it to do the others.

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    I know that in sound reinforcement, you have to double your wattage to net a 3 db gain in volume. Typical PA systems can range in power from 1,000 watts for a small pub setting up to 100k+ Watt flying rigs at major venues. The moral of the story is sound is horrifically expensive to increase in volume; it seems that your upgrade would be a bargain applying that logic.

    This contributes nothing to your quest, but I say fucking go for it!

    This has me wondering if my Alpha/Paladin would qualify for the upgrade. They came out with the ecoflow technology during the time my can was in the AFT gulag and I was pissed to have an obsolete silencer the moment I took possession of it. I know it's not their fault, and the blame lies squarely at the feet of the cool toy gestapo. It doesn't make it a less bitter pill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelski View Post
    This has me wondering if my Alpha/Paladin would qualify for the upgrade. They came out with the ecoflow technology during the time my can was in the AFT gulag and I was pissed to have an obsolete silencer the moment I took possession of it.
    Yes it does.

    https://www.griffinarmament.com/pala...affle-upgrade/

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    On a side note I particularly appreciate Griffin taking into account existing users in their business plans/products. It's one thing to get a total new person into the NFA/silencer thing... but existing customers don't have to buy all new stuff with this model, which is a definite plus for consumers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alamo5000 View Post
    On a side note I particularly appreciate Griffin taking into account existing users in their business plans/products. It's one thing to get a total new person into the NFA/silencer thing... but existing customers don't have to buy all new stuff with this model, which is a definite plus for consumers.
    I agree.

    On a side note to the side note, Griffin also just started a discount program for MIL/LEO/First Responders:

    https://www.griffinarmament.com/prom...general-issue/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoilerUp View Post
    I agree.

    On a side note to the side note, Griffin also just started a discount program for MIL/LEO/First Responders:

    https://www.griffinarmament.com/prom...general-issue/
    That program has been around a long time. Several years at least. I don't qualify for it but it's nice that they do it.

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    I never noticed until they had the big flashy splash screen advertising it. Got signed up. It's nice that they, along with other places around the internet include first responders in their program. I haven't had a commission in years, and I never served in the military, but God dammit, I've been putting up with people's bullshit for 35 years!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alamo5000 View Post
    That program has been around a long time. Several years at least. I don't qualify for it but it's nice that they do it.
    Ah, I didn't realize that it has been around for a while as that was the headline for a marketing email they sent out last week, so I presumed that it was new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoilerUp View Post
    Ah, I didn't realize that it has been around for a while as that was the headline for a marketing email they sent out last week, so I presumed that it was new.
    I didn’t know it either until recently

    It says redeem at local firearms dealers. Wonder how that works

    I guess I could get my account validated and figure it out lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Former11B View Post
    I didn’t know it either until recently

    It says redeem at local firearms dealers. Wonder how that works

    I guess I could get my account validated and figure it out lol
    I think you send in your credentials to Griffin and they approve you for the program. After that whatever dealer you prefer to use will also have to sign up for the program. I'm pretty sure it includes a contract about pricing and who can participate etc.

    Once you and your dealer are signed up and approved they will form 3 the can (s) with a pre agreed upon price under a legally binding agreement so they don't abuse it.

    If another dealer in your state has already signed up they might just go through them.

    I'm almost 98% sure you can use it with Silencer Shop as well.

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    Or I can just buy it and form 3 it to my local class III dealer.
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